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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys.
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We've got a special return guest to the podcast today.
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He's one of my favorite people in the planet, and that is Chad Robashow, so this is his fourth
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appearance on this show.
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He is a retired Force Recon Marine.
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He's an Afghanistan combat veteran, former pro MMA champion, fourth degree Brazilian
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Jiu Jitsu Black Belt.
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I think I introduced him as a third degree last time, so he beat me up for that.
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Best-selling author, speaker, founder of Mighty Oaks Foundation, founder of Save Our Allies.
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This is his fourth appearance, but it's also technically like his seventh, because one
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thing that you'll see here in a bit.
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We had more tech snafus on this particular podcast than we've ever had on any other podcast.
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We had the internet not just go down in my house during one of the interviews, it went
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down in the entire neighborhood, and then for the second interview, we had issues with
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like phone connections and Wi-Fi and blah, blah, and all that, and so there was a lot.
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My wife even texted me at one point, she's like, "I'm wondering if you're not supposed
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to put this interview out for whatever reason," but I'm like, "I feel like when you're over
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the X on a particular topic that Satan and all those dark forces and maybe even the deep
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state are going to push back on it, so it's very, very important that we get this information
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out, because we're talking about his new book today," and here I go, I get a major frog
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in my throat when I'm trying to talk about his new book, Satan, you're working overtime,
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but we're going to push through a mission without borders.
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Why a father and son risked it all for the people of Ukraine?
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And so what's interesting about this right from the beginning is you might be thinking,
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"Oh, Ukraine booked, because I know a lot of people, especially in the conservative
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space, we're like, we're over here in about Ukraine, that's not our conflict, that's not
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our war.
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Why are we sending them billions and billions of dollars?"
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And so I asked them about that right from the beginning, like, "Chad, how are you going
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to get, like, you just got through getting into this conflict over in Afghanistan and
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now you're putting yourself in Ukraine, like, days before the invasion of the Russians,
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like, what exactly are you doing all this for?"
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And so we get into all that information, but then we talk about, "Okay, how is it possible
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that you end up there but then you end up bringing your eldest son to be part of a mission
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where there's a lot of kinetic things that are happening and where you're not going to
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be able to keep him safe the entire time?" And so for those of you with sons, that interesting
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bond between a father and son that are both, you know, there's no such thing as a former
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Marine, but both retired Marines that have been in some kinetic situations, you want
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to be dad, but you also want to be operator, so how exactly do you do that?
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But then we just talk openly about the war, about the conflict, what are we seeing, how
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could this end, what could Putin do?
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But then we detail some of the atrocities that he saw with his own eyes, okay?
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It's one thing to report that you've seen something that you just saw from a picture
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of a picture and you can't really confirm where it was or when it was taken, but Chad
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himself saw mass graves that were full of only women and children.
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Let me repeat that.
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Chad and his team came upon graves that were full of hundreds and hundreds of women and
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children, not combatants.
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We have Russian kill squads going into civilian areas where they know the men aren't because
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the men are on the front lines fighting somewhere and they're going through and systematically
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killing the women and children and the elderly.
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That's the conflict that's happening right now.
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And so we get into those details.
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We talk about kind of where this is going from here.
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We also talk about some of the gangster Ukrainian pastors that are part of this conflict.
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And so there's a whole lot that we covered here again.
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Sorry about the different cuts.
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It's not going to be as bad for those of you in audio land, but those of you watching
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on YouTube or rumble, it's going to be a little bit of a rough one.
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We're getting three different qualities of video and three different audios or whatever.
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So shout out to our boy, Landon, who's going to be, you know, putting all this together.
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So if it ends up seeming good on the back end, you can thank Landon our editor for doing
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that.
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But guys, without further ado, let's get into it.
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Chad Robeshoe, this is your fourth appearance when I don't to life a man's podcast and typically
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when someone makes like third, fourth, fifth appearances on the show, I'm like, hey, how's
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that feel?
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Doesn't that make you feel good?
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But I got to tell you, I'm still a little [inaudible] off at you because the last time I saw
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you in person, I was in Houston and you invited me over to your house, which I thought you
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were just being hospitable.
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But then as soon as we got there, you're like, by the way, Kyle, I think we need to cook
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you like a brisket.
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And so you put me in a, you know, what's that thing called where were you put with a human
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Evan?
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It's a sauna.
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Yeah, you put me in the sauna.
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Okay.
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But you put me at 190 degrees for like 20 minutes and, you know, everything you read
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is like, yeah, you probably shouldn't go that hot right from the beginning, but you're like,
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yeah, screw that.
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Let's do it.
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And then you just couldn't leave me alone.
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You're like, no, no, as soon as you get out of that, you need to hop in this cold tub.
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That's at like 45 degrees.
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And so Chad, I thought we were friends.
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I thought we had an understanding like that stuff's not fun for me.
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And I don't just have that available to me at my house.
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What is your problem?
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Well you were whining about the heat.
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So I had to cool you off and I'm a ginger.
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I'm like sensitive to heat.
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I don't have like a lot of barriers in my skin.
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My son is always out to give me like, I will say, I did bring this on myself.
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I know I'm saying that a little bit tongue and cheek, but I had never done sauna before
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and I had never done cold plunge and I had certainly never done them back to back.
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It seemed awesome.
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I didn't really get the benefits of doing it one time, but it was pretty cool.
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You're going to, you're going to do more.
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I want to.
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I got a buddy Chad that, you know, that I need to introduce to his name is Mike Dragich.
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He does some stuff for a cooler company and I'm not going to name them because they're
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not sponsoring the show.
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So they're not going to get a shout out for me, but they make these enormous like people
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size coolers and he's a gator hunter and so he'll go out there and, you know, he needs
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a cooler to put these huge gators in.
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And so he actually got a little thing to turn this enormous like hunting cooler into a cold
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plunge.
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And so I'm like, okay, that's actually pretty interesting doing something like that.
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And then there, you know, some different sauna options.
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But yeah, eventually that, that should be a staple of the home gym because like this
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morning I got home from a long rock and I would have loved to have been able to chuck
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the rock and then just go sit in the sauna for, you know, 20 more minutes or something
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before I go shower, just kind of keep, you know, keep everything going.
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So that would have been cool to do.
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So I definitely want to do it some more.
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Are you still doing it often?
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Yeah, I like to, I like to sign a and cold plunge.
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I do them, um, together, uh, son of first, obviously cold plunge, you want to end on the
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cold plunge and let your body warm itself back up.
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You don't want to end on warmth.
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I usually end with it and get out, uh, if I'm in it for three minutes, four minutes, five
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minutes, whatever I'm in it, I kind of stand on outside, let my body, uh, accommate back
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and have that, that, to call the, uh, where, where your body doesn't drop where it drops
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back even colder after you get out because of, uh, just staying there.
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And then I, then I'll let my body have like a whole hour to warm itself back up before
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I do anything like a shower or anything.
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So, uh, that's the, you know, I think I heard that several places, they had a guest on Superman
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that really talked a lot about it.
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And so, but I do, I try to do at least like anywhere from four to five times a week.
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Um, you know, uh, that's, you know, and I feel great.
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Like, honestly, I was doing it after working out, but what I started doing for Jiu Jitsu
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as I do it, I do it, uh, I'll just do the plunge by itself sometimes, maybe like just
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like one or two minutes, uh, before Jiu Jitsu, and I feel like I feel amazing.
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It's better than stretching.
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It's better.
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Anything else.
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When I get in there, my mind feels sharp and my body feels good.
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So I'll just do it like right before Jiu Jitsu, uh, and my friend Rob Johnson and, uh, uh,
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mountain tribe Jiu Jitsu in Prescott, Arizona, he does, he does it every time he gets to
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be like part of his ritual before Jiu Jitsu, he'll, he'll, uh, he'll plunge right before
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and, uh, talks about his body ached through Jiu Jitsu all this, all this time.
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And now, now he's just feeling amazing.
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That's interesting.
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I haven't heard of anybody doing that.
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So Chad, I'm sold.
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So you can just, whatever you set up, uh, in your backyard, just go ahead and ship me
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one.
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I'll set it up myself out here.
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It's all good to go.
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Like I really, really appreciate it.
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You're a very, very generous person, but speaking of Jiu Jitsu, the last time I was out
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there as well, we didn't get the role because you just got your toenails removed.
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So you're going to have to explain this to our audience because like you tried to convince
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me that this was like a Jiu Jitsu thing, but I've never heard of a single person in the
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Jiu Jitsu world other than you, but you're a fourth degree black belt.
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So you're a different kind of animal that got your toenails removed, so help me understand
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what happened here.
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Well, I didn't just get removed, but I permanently removed and it's just not a thing, a lot of
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wrestlers, uh, I think a lot of Judo guys, um, and I've seen some Jiu Jitsu guys get them
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permanently removed.
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I've been grappling for 43 years.
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And so a lot of trauma on your nails and toes and, uh, broken my toes a lot and then my
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toes got to big toenails got to where they were not sticking to the nail bed.
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So now you get like nasty fungus under them and you're always like trying to tear that
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and then they'll snag on the mats and have my toenails ripped off a couple of times on
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the mats.
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And so last time my toenail got ripped off, I'm like, I'm getting these things permanently
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removed.
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And, uh, and so I went in and they actually, you know, they remove it, like they normally
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remove it and they give all those super painful shots and the nerves, but then they go back
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about an inch and a half, like two inches past the nail bed, which is crazy.
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And they carve out kind of a slot where the nail would grow because the nail grows way
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back in the toe and then they take like some acid and they put it in the nail bed and kill
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the bed.
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So your toe never grows back.
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And, uh, and it was actually, uh, sounded like a good idea, but it was probably one
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of the more painful things ever done.
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And, uh, and it's, and it wasn't over in like a, I was like, I'll be training back in
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a day, two days.
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It was like a month of just, and it's scapped over and then my baby dropped her sippy cup
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for the water.
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I don't want it busted up, but it was, it was, it was actually pretty terrible.
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But now that, uh, now, uh, that it's healed up, it's pretty nice and my feet look a lot
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better.
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I'm not a flip model or anything.
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Okay.
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We look like there's a big nasty toe that toenails always falling off and yeah.
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Yeah, that looked pretty funky.
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I will say this though, Chad, I have been very careful since I started the show back in 2017
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to do everything I can to be a walking commercial for jujitsu because of the tremendous benefits
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that people can get from it.
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And I've been on this journey for seven years, force drive purple belt, just, you know, just
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training as much as I can while keeping the body safe.
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But when people hear stuff like that, like your toenails might have to be permanently
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removed.
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They're not going to want to train Chad.
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Yeah.
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I mean, my body's been through it, man.
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I lost my toenails, broke my teeth out.
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Uh, got a nice new smile from a courtesy of my friend, my friends here, uh, Guy Lewis in
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Texas, and, uh, fix my teeth and my ears got a bunch of broken bones and, and, uh, but
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man, I, you know, got great people to keep me going.
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Uh, who's a, I got, uh, I go down one of the things that really helped me.
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I think you do bio pro to our gave you some bio pro.
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That's like been really.
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Yeah.
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We talked about it.
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Yeah.
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And then I, and then I go, uh, this is my second trip going on bio accelerator in Columbia
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for the stem cell therapy and, uh, man, look, I'm not plugging it.
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This is like life, that was like life changing for me going down there and I'll be going
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on there every year.
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Uh, it's incredible.
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Uh, the guys that are bio accelerator in Columbia, it is a, it should be a crime that
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they don't allow this level of treatment in the United States.
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I mean, this is a bio accelerator is actually American company as Scottsdale, but because
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of the FDA and big pharma, they have to do the treatment down in Medellin, Columbia.
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Uh, it's, I walked away from there.
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Like I've had, I've had stem cell and PRP and all the stuff here in the States and I'm
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like, didn't it work?
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Didn't it work?
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I went down there and literally like I was like a miracle just happened like it was incredible.
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So I'll be going back here soon.
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I was just talking to McMainer, a vice president of the UFC, a lot of UFC fighters go down
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to bio accelerator.
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I think Joe Rogan's talked a lot about bio accelerator and, uh, and, uh, and they just
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added me to the board for, uh, the athlete board, so myself, Chuck Liddell, Tony Hock
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is on the board there.
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And so we kind of, uh, help get in, uh, folks that help get athletes in, but we also are
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one of our jobs on the board is to make sure that, uh, military and first responders that
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are banged up and couldn't afford that level of treatment get down there for free and bio
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accelerator pays for all their treatment, which they paid for mine.
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So it's incredible and it's super cool that they do that.
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Yeah, I've heard about a lot of people that are gone down to there and gotten similar
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experience.
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So hopefully we can catch up.
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I know some, some organizations even personally that are working to get some of those things
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caught up here in America.
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So that stuff can be, you know, cause for a lot of people, you know, traveling out of
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the country, that's not just something that they can easily do with a family, with a business,
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with a job and any of those types of things.
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And so, you know, it's a complicating thing.
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And before we get into, you know, the main reason for having you on the show, which is
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another book that you have coming out here soon, I want to ask you about your read about
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really the complicated time period that we're living in right now in this country.
13:31
And so again, this, you know, this will be coming out in a few weeks, you know, when
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the new book comes out and all that.
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And so if, if we know anything about the news cycle, everything can change because it'll
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literally in a week and a half span, we went from the leading candidate to be the next
13:45
president of the United States, missing, having his head turned into a canoe by millimeters.
13:50
And then the current president of the United States dropping out of the race, not seeking
13:53
reelection, but retaining his, you know, position as president.
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And then we see his vice president basically handpicked without a single vote being cast
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for her to be representing the country and then now there's all this, you know, rehashing
14:09
of her past.
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No, she was never the the borders are and no, she never said this and no, she was never
14:13
the most liberal person in Congress and, you know, everything that you thought about her
14:16
two weeks ago was false, but now she's one of the most incredible and incendiary and inspirational
14:22
candidates in modern political history.
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What does your read about what happens in November?
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Chad, I don't mean, you know, polling and who's going to win the presidency necessarily.
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I'm afraid that no matter what happens, the country burns because if Donald Trump loses
14:37
with all this momentum and with almost being killed, I think that there are going to be
14:41
a lot of right wing people that are going to be so incredibly mad that we might see some
14:46
some terrible things happen.
14:48
Now obviously that's not indicative of the right nearly as much as it is of the left because
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as I've talked about before, I was in Austin, Texas.
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The week of the election in 2020 and every single store was boarded up and people were
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shocked.
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They're like, I wonder why this is happening.
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They're like, just in case Trump wins, not because just in case Biden wins.
15:05
So if Trump does win, you've got Antifa, you've got Hamas sympathizers here in this country,
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you've got a lot of people that are ready to go and they're well funded to destroy this
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country from the inside out.
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So what does your read about what we have in store for us later this year?
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Well, I'll first you asked a couple of things there.
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First thing I'll say is Kamala Harris is, and I'm not saying this to be mean.
15:24
I'm not saying this partisan in any way.
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She is one of the dumbest people like ever to serve in U.S. politics.
15:31
I mean, that's a lot.
15:32
And that's a lot.
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There's a lot of dumb people.
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It sounds like a mean, but it's appropriate to say because we're talking about her being
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the leader of the free world.
15:41
She is not an intelligent person.
15:43
She's not a good person.
15:45
She's never led anything and she's has been the worst polls like Lee's popular vice president
15:53
in American history.
15:55
She only took 3% of the Democratic, I think less than 3% of the Democratic vote when she
16:00
was trying to become president.
16:02
And she's been thrusted in this position by bypassing the democratic process.
16:09
I mean, we're not talking about like, you know, giving her a shot.
16:13
This is the leader of the free world.
16:15
So you have to call it for what it is.
16:17
She is not in any way whatsoever qualified for the position, anybody, right, left, Republican,
16:24
Democrat, conservative or liberal, thinks or suggests that she's the right person for
16:29
the job to be the president of the United States is insane.
16:31
I can't even have a conversation with that because it's not even a rational conversation.
16:37
So that's one thing, the other thing about the country burning down if President Trump
16:41
gets an office, I'll go back, I'll say if President Trump doesn't get an office, I don't
16:47
think you just see the right wing people rising up.
16:50
I think you see patriots from both sides rising up.
16:53
I mean, this is what we see.
16:55
We've seen people who were radical left standing up about the assassination attempt.
17:03
You see Mark Zuckerberg saying, man, when Donald Trump pumped his fist, that was the
17:07
most badass thing ever saw.
17:09
And I get why people like him.
17:11
You have George Clooney turning it on on body.
17:15
You have all these people and I mean, you had people in CNN, you have AOC and never thought
17:21
in a million years that I give AOC props.
17:24
You have AOC calling out the director of the secret service, telling him to resign.
17:29
So I don't think you just see if President Trump loses the far right.
17:34
I think you see patriots from both sides of the aisle saying, Hey, this is, I might not
17:38
log down on Trump, but this is not the America I want to live in where the American people
17:44
have lost their electorate ability to vote for who their president is.
17:48
And I think that's what we're going to see.
17:50
If President Trump wins, I don't think we see, I don't think you see the divide that
17:55
we've seen because what we, what we see with the assassination attempt, one of the silver
17:59
linings in it is we've seen the guy that for nine years, everyone on the left, every mainstream
18:06
media outlet has says he's divisive.
18:09
He's inflammatory.
18:11
All these things they said about him in one moment.
18:14
He had the chance to be the most divisive and inflammatory politician in 40 years.
18:19
He had a chance to roll up the right and say they tried to kill me.
18:23
They're trying to steal the democratic process in a deep state did this, the left of this.
18:29
He could have used that moment to, uh, roll up the nation and divide in flame and the
18:36
person that they said would didn't, he used that at moment to say, Hey, they tried to
18:41
kill me, but I am going to be here as the president for all Americans.
18:45
And he used that moment to bring everyone together.
18:47
The most inflammatory, right, divisive person used that moment to bring it by together.
18:51
And it took her costs and said this, I don't know if any other politician would have done
18:54
that.
18:55
I don't know if any other politician wouldn't have played that up and said, you know, made
18:58
themselves a victim, use it as a campaign thing.
19:01
Uh, he didn't.
19:02
He used it to bring people together.
19:03
And I think people on both sides, uh, the aisle in the left respected Donald Trump for
19:08
that.
19:09
And you want a lot of people over and, uh, you have, I mean, you have BLM right now.
19:13
That's speaking against Kamala Harris.
19:16
I mean, look, if they're speaking against Kamala Harris, they might not be casting the vote
19:20
for Trump, but I don't know if they could be burning down buildings over Trump.
19:24
Yeah.
19:25
Your propensity for burning down buildings is pretty high regardless.
19:29
And so I'm, I'm obviously concerned and that's, that's a message to everybody that's listening
19:33
to this is you got to make sure that you're ready because make sure you're ready for any,
19:37
uh, contingency that might come, especially if you live in a downtown area or you live
19:41
in a place that is highly populated by people that are very pro doing things like everything
19:46
that we saw in the year that we saw in 2020 during the George Floyd riots.
19:50
So we're a transition of all time.
19:52
You're ready.
19:53
Go ahead.
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I'm going to say, I agree with that, by the way, you got to be ready.
19:56
But the reason I'm saying what I'm saying is, uh, all both sides of America is, is tired
20:03
of this.
20:04
They're tired of, I have people in the liberal side that, that are just, they're exhausted
20:10
and they, they're, they don't want any of this anymore.
20:13
And people are seeing this, this assassination attempt and some of the mainstream media, people
20:17
are just like, they want to see, they want to see unity and you want to see peace.
20:21
Men, look, first time ever, I think Donald Trump has, has won a lot of people over and
20:27
uh, you know, maybe they, they won't be fans, but I think people that be, uh, I think people
20:32
will be more accepting on the left.
20:34
I think people have seen behind a curtain and, uh, and I believe in, and I, this is my personal
20:40
belief, uh, that you can't, who, who said this, I forget the, the guy from Europe's name
20:47
that kind of male influencer guy, I forget his name, he's like some of the stuff he says
20:52
and don't like those.
20:53
What's the guy's name?
20:54
He's got a ball.
20:55
And you're tight.
20:56
And you're tight.
20:57
He said this.
20:58
Yeah.
20:59
He said, you can't kill a man that God wants to life.
21:00
And, uh, and that bullet and the people that was involved and implicated, the complicit
21:05
people that was involved in trying to kill, uh, he should have been killed, uh, from a,
21:10
from a strategic standpoint, they should have got him.
21:13
And the only reason they didn't, I'm convinced of this, uh, it was those divine God.
21:17
I believe God spared Donald Trump's life that way.
21:19
And when God intervenes and something like that, I have to believe it's for a reason.
21:23
And, uh, and I believe, uh, I believe we're going to see, uh, maybe I'm optimist.
21:28
I believe we're going to see peace and unity come out of this.
21:30
I believe Donald Trump's going to win the election and we're going to see a uniting of
21:33
America, uh, for a season that we hadn't seen in a long time.
21:37
That's my belief.
21:38
That is certainly an optimistic viewpoint.
21:40
Uh, the perennial pessimist that I am, I have a hard time with that, but I would love
21:44
to see peace and unity and part of the reason why you're on today is because there's not
21:48
peace and unity in a lot of places in the world.
21:50
And specifically we're seeing that in Ukraine because you have a new book out right now
21:53
called a mission without borders.
21:55
Why father and son, excuse me, why father and son risked it all for people, the people
22:00
of Ukraine.
22:01
And the great thing about this book that I have in my hand chat is I got my hard copy
22:04
of this book before you did your loser, even your publisher, even your publisher likes
22:09
me more than they like you.
22:10
Chad.
22:11
How's that feel?
22:12
How's it feel, buddy?
22:13
How's it feel?
22:14
I got two of them.
22:15
I didn't even need two of them, but look at these.
22:16
I got two of them, Chad.
22:17
What am I supposed to do with two days before me?
22:18
You know, I got this last night and I went out with a, I went out somewhere with my wife
22:29
and I said, I want you to have the very first copy and I gave it to my wife with a sincere
22:35
heart that I gave her the very first copy.
22:37
And you know what?
22:38
Now I've got to go back and tell my wife that she didn't get the first copy that that
22:42
Cal Thompson did.
22:43
This is Robah show.
22:44
You are on the outside looking in.
22:46
I am the number one person here.
22:48
I am the captain now, but here's the deal.
22:50
You go from meddling in crap that was going on in Afghanistan that you probably shouldn't
22:55
have been meddling in to going in meddling and crap going on in Ukraine between Ukraine
23:00
and Russia.
23:01
And I was going to ask you, why are you meddling in a new place?
23:04
But I know the answer.
23:05
The answer is Sarah Varardo.
23:06
Okay.
23:07
So anyone who doesn't know who that is, she's been on the show before just go and search
23:10
for her in our, you know, podcast feed or whatever, but she runs Save Our Allies and
23:15
a bunch of other different things.
23:17
But from how I heard the story goes, she basically called you and said, Chad, you're going to
23:22
Ukraine.
23:23
And then you're like, okay, Mrs. Varardo.
23:25
So tell me about this whole idea of how you ended up getting involved and what was going
23:29
on on the ground in Ukraine actually before Russia had even invaded.
23:34
Yeah.
23:35
The idea of Sarah is on top of a lot of stuff and there's a big part of why I got involved
23:40
in Ukraine, ever making that phone call.
23:44
But when you talk about like meddling in Afghanistan, meddling in Ukraine, the reason
23:47
why, you know, Sarah and myself and others and NGOs outside of my network have to metal
23:54
is because our government won't do the right thing.
23:57
And when the government's in the world, especially our own does not do the right thing, then
24:02
good people have to stand up and do the right thing in their absence.
24:05
And that's what this is about.
24:07
I mean, one of the organizations, well, organization that I chair the board of right now is called
24:12
the fourth option.
24:13
And that's where we do a lot of rescue stuff from.
24:15
And to give you a little background by the name is when the United States government has
24:19
an American or somewhat of interest that we want to help in a combat zone or a hostile
24:25
area, there's three options.
24:28
There's diplomacy, there's military action, and the third is covert action, like a central
24:33
intelligence agency, some of our intelligence agency, and a fourth option would be outside
24:38
of the government as a surrogate to either support the United States government or work
24:43
in place of the United States government.
24:44
That's the fourth option, an unconnected surrogate for the United States government or working
24:48
in place of.
24:49
And so the decisions that we make to do these things are always come behind that thing.
24:56
Can the government, can the United States government do it?
24:59
Or will they do it?
25:00
Right?
25:01
If they can do it and they won't, then we will step in if they, if they have, if they can't
25:07
do it before whatever reason, and that sometimes there's reasons they can't do it, then we,
25:12
we step in.
25:13
So I don't jump into things that the United States government could do.
25:16
That's one of the real important thing because a lot of NGOs are like opportunists, and I'm
25:20
not speaking bad to them, but, but a lot of, especially guys from my community, they're
25:23
opportunists.
25:24
I've got to get in that.
25:26
And we always, as much as we want to get in things, we don't always do that.
25:29
We look at a situation and say, can, can the United States government do it?
25:33
Yes, or are they doing it?
25:36
Yes or no?
25:37
And that's how there's criteria.
25:38
And then we actually de-conflict.
25:40
We have a lot of relationships with the Pentagon and JSOC and those relationships, we don't
25:44
make sure because I don't want to go into a building to rescue an American and not know
25:48
that Delta Force is about to hit there at the same time, when it first went to de-conflict.
25:55
And so those are some important things that I want people to know because as we do these
25:57
things, especially like Afghanistan, Ukraine, it's very important to know that we're not
26:02
getting in the way of the military, we're not impeding them, we're de-conflicting, and
26:05
we're only doing things that we have to do because our government is either chosen not
26:09
to make, not to do the right thing, or they can't for whatever reasons.
26:14
And so when Putin puts 100,000 troops on the Eastern Ukraine border, there was a decision
26:24
to be made by the White House and that falls on the President of the United States.
26:28
How to respond to an ally, Ukraine would have been considered an ally at that time.
26:34
How do we, whether they are not, they would have been considered by the United States
26:37
to be an ally?
26:38
How do we respond to that?
26:40
And President Biden made a decision.
26:42
His decision was to remove U.S. troops out of Ukraine and to close our embassy and our
26:47
consulate and remove our diplomatic position there.
26:50
That's a very big decision, by the way, because when you do that as the President of the United
26:54
States, all the other NATO countries are going to follow suit, it's just how it works, right?
27:00
So now you have the deterrent, which is U.S. military and consulate there.
27:04
And the reason that's a big deterrent for Putin is because of something called the Article
27:07
5 violation, there's a thing of all of NATO called the Article 5 violation.
27:12
If someone, even indiscriminately, accidentally wounds a NATO service member, then Article
27:19
5 is enacted and NATO has to respond in military force.
27:25
And so Putin is evil, he's crazy, but he's not a stupid man.
27:31
And so he would have flexed on a border to see how we respond.
27:34
And Joe Biden made the decision to pull our troops out when he did, close our embassy,
27:38
move our military and diplomatic assets out and move our covert assets out, wipe the empty
27:45
the country of any U.S. presence, NATO followed suit, it gave a green light for Putin across
27:51
that border.
27:52
And then the White House followed by commanding the U.S. military and our intelligence agencies
27:58
and our State Department, not across the border to go in Ukraine.
28:02
Very important.
28:03
They did that before they removed any American civilians out of Ukraine, thousands of them.
28:08
And so now you have all these American citizens stuck in Ukraine, Russia invades with shooting
28:13
ballistic missiles, artillery, tanks, troop movements, very rapidly to seize the capital
28:20
city Kiev while Americans are still there.
28:23
And so when Sarah Verrod will call me, I talked to C spray our teammate.
28:27
We had him, he was in Ukraine about a week before that they crossed the border.
28:31
Our primary thing was Americans going to be left here because our U.S. military and our
28:38
intelligence agencies in our State Department is not going to be present and not going to
28:41
be allowed by the White House to help.
28:42
So we have to go there and be able to move those Americans out in this massive evacuation,
28:47
chaotic evacuation.
28:48
That's why we stepped in.
28:50
Okay.
28:51
So I want to kind of keep that momentum going, but you did mention C spray there.
28:54
And I wanted to ask you about C spray because he was a prominent person in the Afghanistan
29:00
conflict, getting, getting folks out, you know, with Sabar allies, you know, I guess
29:06
is the public ever going to know who C spray is, you know, why is he so good and uniquely
29:11
suited to do what he does?
29:13
You know, well, you know, what, what exactly does he do?
29:15
Like, tell us a little bit more about C spray because I rubbed elbows with him at an event
29:20
that I won't name because, you know, it was one of those things where you weren't supposed
29:23
to know that he was there, but, you know, got to meet him.
29:25
It was the same time I think you and I met for the first time.
29:28
But like, what is it about him that's so unique to where he's the guy on the ground before
29:33
anyone else's?
29:34
Well, he's become one of my best friends and likely no one probably will ever find out
29:39
who he is.
29:40
And, uh, uh, and that's just by his choice and, and I think it's, I think it's important
29:44
for what he's chosen to do and commit himself to, uh, I could tell you he was, he was a green
29:48
berry, uh, uh, Oxford educated and then ended up going to the CIA, part of ground branch,
29:56
became a precision rescue operative, uh, and, uh, you know, as a paramilitary officer became
30:02
a precision rescue operative and probably one of the most qualified people in the world
30:07
when it comes to rescuing people from, from, um, you know, places, places like Ukraine
30:13
and Afghanistan.
30:14
And, uh, one of the, one of the unique things about who he is is, uh, he chose to walk away
30:20
from that career, uh, because of this administration saying we couldn't be involved in some of
30:26
these things.
30:27
Like I said, it was a choice.
30:28
Right.
30:29
Can, can the U S government do it?
30:30
They can, they won't.
30:31
And, uh, and so, uh, that creates conflict adventures from someone that's employed by,
30:34
like, you know, by the person that sees prayers employed by and, uh, and he had to make a
30:38
choice.
30:39
Do I stay in this career and be hamstrung to not help people that need help or do I resign
30:45
from the career I worked my whole life for to help people that are not from a country
30:49
zone that I'd never met before and that I'm going to, you know, be willing to lay my
30:53
life down for every single day.
30:55
And, and, and I watched him choose to trade that career for, for, uh, innocent human life
31:00
that he didn't know.
31:01
And, and, and during the time I, that happened, I mean, this is the guy that in 10 days in
31:05
H Kaya, for the Afghan e-backs, lost, lost 37 pounds in 10 days, wouldn't even drink
31:11
a bottle of water to go out and grab little kids.
31:14
Uh, he, he chose to stay and, and I mean, in Ukraine, like, I mean, this time's like,
31:20
I have to reel him in all the time because he's out running around by himself and, and,
31:24
uh, you know, he's all over the world doing this stuff and, you know, uh, I get a lot of
31:28
credit for this stuff, but the truth is, you know, man, he, he's, he's my hero.
31:32
He's the one that I'm trying to keep up with when I go overseas, uh, and, and do this stuff.
31:36
He's the guy that I'm sitting in the car with, he, he and I running around and I'm, I'm leaning
31:40
on him and trusting him and, uh, and when I'm back here in Texas and getting to do media
31:44
and getting some of the credit for the stuff and getting, I've got new awards and stuff
31:48
like that.
31:49
I'm like, man, I'm accepting this for him and for other guys like him that I never get
31:52
to talk about in his face.
31:53
It's never good to be seen.
31:54
Uh, that's why, that's why I'm able to do this stuff because of guys like him and he,
31:58
and he, of all the guys I work with, he is the most impactful one.
32:02
He's, he's an incredible, absolutely incredible human being and, and a gift to our nation and
32:06
people around the world and probably one of the most self, selfless guys I've ever met
32:11
in my life.
32:12
Yeah.
32:13
The, the consummate, quiet professionals, how he seems to come off.
32:16
Um, now I do want to talk a little bit more specifically about Ukraine because I know you
32:21
and I talked about this while you're writing the book and you address this right from the
32:25
author's note.
32:26
So you even have a quote in there and the authors know, why do I choose to get involved
32:29
in a war tainted by so much corruption?
32:32
Because the moment people see, uh, especially people that are on the right, the moment
32:35
people see the cover of the book and they see the Ukraine flag, you know, obviously the,
32:39
the last time they saw the Ukraine flag was probably in the Twitter profile or X profile
32:44
of some politician that they don't like very much.
32:46
And so there's obviously a lot of negativity and again, from me as well, at the amount
32:52
of money that I am giving to that country so that they can fight, uh, our proxy war and
32:58
do all these different things.
32:59
And when you see these, these people in high positions in Ukraine, driving around in brand
33:04
new Bentley's, then when you see, you know, clubs in Kiev or Kiev, when you see these clubs
33:09
that are popping and see all these restaurants that are popping up and you see all these
33:12
different things and then you got Vladimir Zelensky walking around, like always in military
33:16
green, like you're not, you know, you're not actually going around.
33:20
You're not patent.
33:21
What, what are you doing?
33:22
Where in that stuff?
33:23
Like we're suit and tie like a normal politician, but Chad, you've gotten the guff and you've
33:27
gotten so much crap for this because everyone understood the Afghanistan thing, but the
33:31
Ukraine thing just feels different and has a lot to do with the amount of money and stuff
33:36
that we've put in that direction.
33:38
So how do you address the people that are like just mad that y'all are even there, uh,
33:42
to begin with?
33:43
Yeah.
33:44
I mean, uh, I addressed it in the author's note because I thought it was super important.
33:47
I didn't want to make the book about that.
33:49
So I knew right from the beginning, I wanted to put in the author's note because I've gotten
33:52
the emails, uh, I've gotten the phone calls, like, and, uh, and I hear them and I, and right
33:58
by the way, like, I agree with you, I'm right there with you, like, uh, I don't agree with
34:03
the hundreds of days of dollars in my tax money going to Ukraine.
34:07
Yeah.
34:08
When you Ukraine, uh, and it goes back to the beginning, Joe Biden allowing the, the Russians
34:13
to go across that border.
34:14
Uh, and, and why do you do that?
34:17
My personal belief and you always follow the money, uh, that war, uh, has, has created
34:25
one of the most profitable, uh, money-lordier schemes in our lifetime.
34:31
Yep.
34:32
Hundreds of days of dollars on, uh, uh, it's, uh, like the money is, uh, has no congressional
34:39
oversight.
34:41
We know it's not making it into the front lines.
34:42
We know it's not.
34:43
Uh, the cash is not making it in front lines.
34:45
I, I've had to bring something as simple as Tourniquets to the front lines to give troops
34:48
because they can't even get Tourniquets much as training how to use it.
34:50
They can't get chest seals for, for a gunshot wounds, uh, they're dying on the front lines
34:55
without this money.
34:56
Well, meanwhile, while guys are, or, you know, like I said, riding around in bitlies and
34:59
stuff like that.
35:00
Uh, so there is massive corruption there.
35:03
I believe a lot of that money goes to Ukraine to make sure you turn it comes back to the
35:06
pockets of DC, the money that is getting spent and you say, and they will say, well,
35:10
look man, we're getting javelins and they're shooting javelins and they're, you know, blowing
35:13
up Russian tanks with javelins.
35:15
Of course that money's getting spent on that because every javelin they shoot is another
35:19
one they have to make and the military industrial complex is making tons.
35:23
So yeah, they're, they're using the, the ordinance were said to them because the more they use
35:28
the more they spin is just business, right?
35:29
It's, it's how businesses work.
35:31
And so the military industrial complex and the neo-cons of Washington DC love nothing
35:35
more than the, than the, to keep that money going to Ukraine and keeping those, that ordinance
35:39
going to Ukraine and all, and, and they're making a lot of people are making tons of
35:42
money.
35:43
Meanwhile, you've never heard, uh, Joe Biden, you never heard Zwinski talk about peace and,
35:48
Zwinski is a paid actor.
35:50
People forget who it was.
35:51
He comes up in that green T shirt and stand in front lines.
35:53
And I remember when you first came out, people were like, Oh my gosh, like this guy's so
35:57
cool.
35:58
Like he's, like, you probably, most people had that reaction.
36:01
Like it says so cool.
36:02
It's like patent, right?
36:03
The dude's a, a, a actor and a comedian who, who, uh, by the way, did theater, LG, like
36:12
cross drag queen cross dressing theater, he, he played a part in a movie of a comedian
36:18
who became president of Ukraine.
36:20
He was appointed, uh, he was put in power to be the president of Ukraine by Obama and
36:25
Biden and Trump ruined their, their money laundering scheme when he came in for four
36:29
years.
36:30
And as soon as I got back in office, he allowed this to happen and they're making a lot of
36:33
money off of it.
36:34
That's the truth.
36:35
And, uh, and so I've gotten a lot of that heat and people have asked me, why are you
36:38
supporting Zwinski?
36:40
We don't agree with sentence in the hundreds of days dollars there.
36:42
And I said, I don't either.
36:43
Zwinski's corrupt.
36:44
Yeah.
36:45
Of course he is.
36:46
And I'm not there to help Biden.
36:47
I'm not there to help Zwinski.
36:48
What I went to Ukraine for was to help people.
36:49
The consequence of this corruption.
36:50
The consequence of this, all these evil people and evil politicians making these decisions.
36:52
The consequence has been one million deaths and mostly innocent civilians, one million
36:53
deaths.
36:54
That's, that's not on the news much.
36:55
And so for me, if I'm going to let my politics get in the way of my compassion for people.
37:13
And if any of us let our politics get in the way of our compassion for people, we should
37:16
change our politics, right?
37:18
We should never let become so jaded by these politicians and evil people that when we have
37:22
the opportunity to help people in need that we're going to say, I'm not helping them.
37:26
I don't care.
37:27
I've heard, I've heard, I've seen Christian conservative people be like, if those people
37:31
in Ukraine, man, like, I can't imagine as, as a Christian person, as a conservative saying
37:39
if those people, like I've been the, I've been the places like Kharkib in his zoom and
37:45
in his zoom, I, I went in personally, I witnessed by request of our central intelligence agency.
37:51
I went personally, I witnessed a great mass grave of 1400 people that were all women and
37:56
children, hands behind behind the back, shot behind the head, the Russian shot to burn
37:59
their bodies could kill that to give her the evidence.
38:01
I've seen apartment buildings there, just women and children leveled like rubble from ballistic
38:07
missiles, the sides of telephone poles, air drops from MiGs hitting airstrikes on residential
38:14
buildings on elderly communities, no military targets in sight.
38:18
That is a consequence of evil politicians in Washington, DC, in Ukraine.
38:23
And by the way, in Russia too, they don't get a free pass, right, Putin's, Putin's evil.
38:28
All these people come together in this war.
38:30
And, and if God opens up the door for me to have the opportunity to go help, I shouldn't
38:36
help.
38:37
Man, I can't hear it.
38:38
Like, you cannot support me and, and not donate.
38:41
I don't care.
38:42
I'll go out there, bootstrap it with whatever I could, you know, get out there with, but
38:46
I'm going to help these people have the opportunity to help.
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41:13
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You're having to record this on your phone now.
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Who exactly have you [inaudible] off, Chad, and why won't they just let us have a conversation?
41:24
Everyone.
41:25
I [inaudible] off everyone.
41:26
I mean, yeah, man, State Department doesn't like me.
41:33
White House doesn't like me, the Russians definitely don't like me.
41:38
It's less than a lot of people that don't like me, but we still got to get the message
41:42
out.
41:43
Thanks for asking.
41:44
Thanks for asking.
41:45
Thanks for locking arms with me to do it.
41:47
Hey, heck yeah.
41:48
Well, I do want to kind of pick up where you left off with your last answer.
41:51
You went on a very good rant, but there was one little thing in there that you just kind
41:55
of dropped in and it's the reality of what's happening on the ground, Chad.
41:59
And the thing is, is in our modern news cycle, because again, like, look, you know, the leading
42:05
presidential candidate, Donald Trump was shot in the head and then it was like basically
42:08
out of the news cycle in a week because other stuff had happened.
42:11
And so we're not hearing a lot about what's happening on the ground.
42:15
Russians have become, you know, very inundated with bad news from around the world.
42:19
And so we just don't want more bad news.
42:21
But you know, there are things that I've heard about about Russian special operations, snipers,
42:26
targeting aid workers, humanitarian aid workers in Ukraine, that there are Russian kill squads
42:31
going around into civilian communities and executing everyone.
42:35
You know, most the Ukrainian men are out and fighting, but you know, women, children, elderly,
42:40
people being put in mass graves.
42:42
These are things, I guess, confirmed for me or denied the things that are actually going
42:48
on there, the actual atrocities that you saw and that you know are still going on there.
42:53
Yeah.
42:54
And if I will, I will lay some of them out, but I'll say that the reason the mainstream
42:58
media won't report these things is not because of anything other than the fact that if these
43:07
things were reported, if the world knew the atrocities that were going on, the war crimes
43:13
that are going on, well, then someone might have to do something about it, right?
43:17
And if someone did something about it, then that wouldn't make this war end.
43:21
And if this war ended, a lot of people would lose a lot of money, politicians lose a lot
43:25
of money, politicians in Ukraine, politicians in the United States, the neo-cons in Washington,
43:31
DC, that are part of the military industrial complex that are making billions of dollars
43:35
off of this, will lose money.
43:37
So the message has been to the mainstream media, do not report this stuff because if
43:41
you report this stuff, right, someone's going to have to do something about this is going
43:44
to have to end.
43:45
Why do they laugh at Donald Trump when he says they can end this in 24 hours because
43:49
they don't want to be in this in 24 hours?
43:51
Zowinski doesn't want President Trump in office because the money stops coming when the war
43:57
ends.
44:00
Putin of all people, and I'm certainly not a fan of Putin and certainly not endorsing
44:04
him, but Putin hears about President Trump say, "I can in this 24 hours," and Putin
44:08
gets in and says, "Hey, candidate Trump is saying that he wants to end this thing.
44:14
I haven't seen his proposals, but I want to hear what he has to say."
44:18
So the two people that you would think are the war mongering Donald Trump, whichever
44:23
I said for nine years, that wants to bring peace in the evil guy who thinks the Soviet
44:29
unions exist that wants to take over Ukraine, those are ones talking about peace.
44:34
You don't hear Biden talking about peace.
44:36
You don't hear Zowinski talking about peace, they don't want peace.
44:39
And so when you see these media, these things that should be in the media that aren't, that's
44:42
the reason why.
44:44
And I firsthand, this is not theory, this is not my opinion, firsthand, me and the ground
44:49
in Ukraine, two hours past Russian lines have seen these war crimes.
44:53
I've seen the apartment buildings where only women and children live, hit by airstrikes
45:00
indiscriminately, not casualties of war, not collateral damage, consistent precise airstrikes
45:07
in multiple buildings that hit the same spot, knocking down a fifth floor building to the
45:11
ground, cutting it in half, where playgrounds are, where only women and children live.
45:15
I've been in the elderly communities, just like we have elderly communities, 60 plus
45:21
communities in America, they have those there.
45:23
No military targets, level to the ground, rubble, pizza parlors, ice cream shops, schools,
45:29
hospitals, level to the ground, be it hit with ballistic missiles inside the telephone
45:32
post.
45:33
I personally have carried out a bag and I once again given it to members of our government
45:39
to bring evidence out of chemical weapons being used in six different locations against civilians.
45:45
And knowing that those chemicals came back as positive, and I've witnessed mass graves,
45:50
I went for our government as a surrogate, not an official capacity of government, but
45:55
for our government to report back on mass graves in places like a Zoom where we were
46:00
there witnessed a mass grave of about 1400 people, two mass graves, I'm sorry, about
46:05
1400 people total, all women and children.
46:09
These are war crimes and these war crimes require action from the White House, they require
46:17
action from NATO, and those war crimes give justification for NATO to come in led by the
46:25
President of the United States.
46:26
We are the leader of the free world of people who forgot, led by a strong leader to come
46:29
in and say, hey, we're not going in, we're not going in the fight, we're not sending
46:33
troops in the fight, we're going to call humanitarian ceasefire because of war crimes and we're
46:37
going to go in and we're going to provide humanitarian aid for the civilians of Ukraine.
46:43
That Kyle would do what President Trump talks about, that would end in 24 hours because
46:48
as a NATO coalition went in to provide, not to fight the Russians, but to provide humanitarian
46:53
aid to the civilians based on war crimes, then Putin would have to draw a line in the
46:57
sand somewhere and say, we're not going to use military action right now because we
47:00
would, by doing that, we would violate Article 5 of NATO and that would require military
47:07
force against us.
47:08
So, Putin would not do that.
47:09
So, that would end somewhere in the Ukraine, Eastern, foreign Ukraine, it would be a line
47:13
drawn and brush what it's to be on one side, Ukraine would be another humanitarian effort
47:17
to bring peace and look, that would end, that would end it in 24 hours.
47:22
That's why these things aren't being reported.
47:25
And I have a question about that, Chad, because at the tail end of every law is a gun.
47:32
And so people are like, no, there's not, it's like, well, yeah, if you get pulled over for
47:35
speeding and you refuse to give your ID and you refuse to comply with the police officer,
47:40
you refuse to, you know, leave your vehicle, like at the end of that is the threat of violence
47:45
from from that cop and it would be justified violence.
47:48
So my question here would be like, okay, how enforceable would a humanitarian ceasefire
47:53
actually be like, what would Putin have to do to just be like, yeah, I'm just going
47:58
to ignore that, you know, I'm going to call your bluff, NATO, that you're actually going
48:02
to try and do this.
48:03
My next question I was going to ask this towards the end, but I'll just ask it now is
48:07
at what point do we think Putin might just say, screw it and go nuclear in this conflict,
48:12
not nuclear to the point of mutually assured destruction, but a little bit, if you can
48:16
say it this way of more of a kind of directed nuclear attacks, basically saying NATO, if
48:22
you want this, this is the type of war that you would be entering.
48:25
So I'm your huckleberry, if you want to eff around and find out, you know what I mean?
48:29
Yeah, I mean, sure, there's always there's always that risk.
48:34
Putin has proven to be a very evil person, aggressive person, but I don't think he's
48:42
stupid.
48:43
That would be one, it would want to be political suicide and, you know, the Russian people would
48:49
not be behind that, not only because they might not agree with it because they don't
48:53
want to be a target of a, you know, NATO invasion or a, you know, command and taking control
48:59
that country or a nuclear war.
49:02
And two, it'd be, it would be suicide in the fact that Russia doesn't have that capability
49:08
of taking Ukraine right now.
49:09
How would they have that capability of taking over withstanding a war from the entire world,
49:14
you know, NATO.
49:16
So yeah, certainly in any bully could say, I'll call your bluff and I'll swing back.
49:24
But the reality is, for anyway, to look at this strategically, the reality is Russia
49:29
does not have the capability to stand against an NATO force and Putin knows that now, and
49:34
Putin has the option to say face, right, they would, they would somewhere along the eastern
49:39
front of the, along the eastern front of Ukraine, the Russian border, you know, would a line
49:44
would fall and wherever that line would fall and more likely Russia would probably determine
49:48
where that line was just, I mean, right or not, they would probably determine where that
49:53
line is and it would, and things would stop.
49:57
That's, that's my assessment.
49:58
I mean, anytime you stand up against someone, right, that you're right, there's, there's
50:01
a chance of the repercussions of that, but that's where, you know, courageous leadership
50:07
comes in.
50:08
Or you could sit back and do nothing and allow Russia to take Ukraine and allow them to take
50:14
whatever's next, because it doesn't stop there, right, this is, we know this doesn't
50:19
stop there.
50:20
And in a truth is, as a, and a lot of Americans don't agree with this, by the way, but as
50:26
the leader of the free world, as the shining light on the hill, we do have a, I believe
50:32
our, I believe in America first, I believe our national security first, I believe that
50:34
we need to be a strong nation in order to help other people.
50:38
But as America, we cannot allow, especially as part of NATO, we cannot allow these atrocities
50:48
to happen at the level of their app.
50:49
This is, there, there's no greater atrocity to, to humankind than what's happening in
50:55
our current world than what's happening in Ukraine right now.
50:58
It's not being reported.
50:59
Like over a million people have been killed.
51:01
I mean, that does a lot of bad stuff, I mean, Burma, like there's, there's genocides all
51:06
over the world, all over Africa.
51:08
But we're not talking about tribal warfare, we're not talking about third world countries,
51:12
we're talking about first world superpower coming in with ballistic missiles, the size
51:17
of telephone poles, being fired on this side of apartment buildings, hospitals, schools,
51:23
that's the reality what's happening.
51:24
This is an atrocity that, that our world should never allow, because if it's allowed,
51:30
like anything else, then it continues.
51:33
And so this is different.
51:34
The news hasn't reported this, this is different, this is a whole different level.
51:38
And by the way, it's being funded and being enabled by US taxpayer dollars.
51:43
And that's a hard thing for me to say as an American, because I love our country.
51:47
But it's the truth and I love our country enough to call it out.
51:51
And we're not the good guys in this.
51:54
And when you talk about the civilian casualties, when the government's to the world, and by
51:59
the way, we're sending money and stuff like that.
52:03
But the governments of the world are not there doing the right thing.
52:07
They're not there helping and for the obvious reasons to talk about NATO and Oracle 5 and
52:11
stuff like that.
52:12
They're not there helping.
52:13
Who's there helping of the NGOs, the non-government organizations, the non-profits that are helping.
52:17
I ran into a German group of medical folks who went there as the NGO.
52:24
They're providing medical care for anyone that needed it.
52:27
It could have even been Russians.
52:28
They weren't providing medical care for anyone.
52:30
They had this bus, it was a blue and yellow bus, I had some pictures of it.
52:35
And it was just, they were set up so good, we asked them, "Hey, can we get in and look
52:39
at what you guys are doing?
52:40
Videoed it?"
52:41
We made it to one of our medical assets off of theirs, just incredible people.
52:48
And they had been going around for about three months and these people were just such great
52:51
people.
52:52
And the Russians fired a rocket in the side of it and killed all those people.
52:57
Why'd they kill them?
52:58
Because they're helping.
53:00
These kinds of things are not okay.
53:04
Medical aid and combat, especially when they're willing to treat both sides, they should have
53:09
some kind of protection from both sides.
53:14
And that's not the case right now.
53:15
If you're providing any aid, you're a target to the Russians there.
53:19
And they've attacked a lot of NGOs.
53:21
Now, I remember you speaking about in the book that many of these NGOs, these are from the
53:26
Christian community.
53:27
There was not a single government that was represented there.
53:30
And so that's kind of indicative of what happens when push comes to shove, who are the people
53:34
that show up?
53:35
I even had the thought way back when Christianity was still in its early days, like first,
53:39
second century, when the Romans would put babies out for exposure and the Christians
53:44
would come in and, you know, that was basically first century abortion, but they would come
53:48
in and scoop these babies up and raise them as their own, you know, when there was plague
53:51
and different things going on in different places during the Roman Empire, throughout
53:55
the Roman Empire.
53:56
The Christians were the ones going in and actually caring for people.
53:59
And so that that's an interesting note here.
54:01
But, you know, obviously, Chad, you see the atrocities, you see the horrible things, but
54:05
then you even see the kind of like the small atrocities, I remember a very poignant and
54:09
very emotional moment during the book where you were like, I think you're at a train station
54:13
and you're watching fathers walk their families to the train station, you know, wife and children
54:18
and then say goodbye.
54:19
And then they're walking back alone and they know where they're walking towards like they're
54:23
walking back into war, they're walking potentially to their deaths.
54:28
And so this is, this is desolation.
54:30
This is depravity like this is war.
54:32
And again, I think if you've only seen war in movies and video games, it's kind of easy
54:37
to romanticize it until you talk to someone that's actually been there.
54:41
That's actually smelled the rotting bodies and seen the mass graves and things.
54:45
It's much, it's a much different experience.
54:47
And then so for you, Chad, as a father and as a veteran, you can seemingly insulate the
54:52
rest of your family from that, whenever you were doing the Afghanistan thing, your oldest
54:57
son, Hunter, who was, I think he was a former Marine at that point.
55:01
I know there's technically no such thing, but he was a retired Marine, I guess you could
55:04
say.
55:05
Yeah.
55:06
But he didn't go to, he wasn't able to go with you guys to Afghanistan.
55:08
That was a difficult and a disappointing thing for him.
55:10
But then he was asking to stand veteran too.
55:12
So he's asking to stand veteran wanting to do the Evacs and, and I, I bench him, you
55:16
know.
55:17
Yeah.
55:18
And you know, I'll be talking to your son specifically about that and kind of how that
55:22
all went down, but y'all decided pretty early on with this conflict in Ukraine that one
55:26
of the biggest and best things that y'all could do beyond bottles of water and, you
55:29
know, Evacs was building a communication network and you wanted to get that fully executed.
55:35
And I want to read a quote from the book here.
55:37
There was only one real solution to our problem.
55:39
And that was to have someone to buy the gear in the US and bring it over to Poland in person.
55:45
And there was only one person I could think of who I trusted to tackle a task like that
55:49
in such short timeframe, my eldest son, Hunter Robocho.
55:53
And so like enter Hunter, this is kind of his moment, but this is a difficult task.
55:57
Like he was up to it, but this was a difficult task being able to find all, all of the gear
56:02
that y'all were going to need to set up this communication network.
56:07
But one of the biggest potential assets to you and your team was your eldest son.
56:12
I mean, there, there's a lot of dynamics there, Chad.
56:14
So just kind of take us through that a little bit.
56:16
And Chad, I literally just set up the question in the most perfect way that I could think
56:21
to set it up.
56:22
And then the rooskeys and maybe the Russians in North Korean, Koreanians, the Iranians
56:27
and North Koreans and all that, maybe they hate us as well because we ran into even more
56:31
tech snafu.
56:32
So if you're watching this on YouTube, you're getting quite the visual array of experiences
56:36
because we went from the most high depth setup we could have to your recording it on your
56:40
phone via Riverside to now we're on zoom.
56:43
And so if it sounds different, that's a zoom thing.
56:45
If it looks different, that's a zoom thing, but, but, but, but, but, but, the question
56:48
I asked you say, man, deep state, it's the deep state.
56:51
Yeah, it's all wrapped into one evil package.
56:54
So we talked about the atrocities that you saw.
56:56
We talked about, you know, the, the things that you saw, just the personal issues.
57:00
But now your son, your son is part of the mission.
57:03
He wasn't part of the Afghanistan mission, which was super disappointing.
57:06
But now he's part of this mission.
57:08
Just talk to me a little bit about what that's like, you know, as a father and as an operator,
57:12
and then we'll, we'll get into a really interesting story about that as well.
57:16
Yeah, I mean, look, when C spray and I are out there, we put this cost package together
57:21
and I, and I said, you, you said it from the book, like the only person I knew that I trusted
57:25
with this was, was Hunter.
57:26
I mean, when he really went to come, but also his, his experience as a Marine with has the
57:32
Anglico Marine, which is those who don't know air-dable gun fire liaison company.
57:36
They do all the, like JTAC calling in air strikes, calling in artillery, calling in
57:41
able gun fire, he did that in Afghanistan.
57:43
He's kind of like a tech nerd when it comes to comms equipment, super sport on this stuff.
57:49
And so we had to buy like, not just some comms equipment, like $300 plus thousand dollars
57:53
for the comms equipment.
57:54
Really quick.
57:55
You can't go to one store.
57:56
You got to go all over the country and then get it by himself to pull in.
58:00
And so he did that.
58:01
And he showed up, he pulled it off, he gets there with all the equipment.
58:04
And then we're looking at, I think he had over a dozen bags of stuff that he carried out
58:08
by himself.
58:09
We didn't even go help him.
58:10
He goes up and he sprays like, okay, who's going to set this stuff up?
58:13
And he's like, I'll do it.
58:14
Yeah.
58:15
And he spends the next three nights like not even sleeping, just setting our equipment
58:18
up, building our talk, our tactical operations center where you could have this equipment
58:22
monitored and tracked as it gets distributed to Ukraine, you can see it on the big screens
58:26
and as it's moving around.
58:28
And so he said, all that stuff.
58:31
And so when he came on our team, you know, and he sprays, by the way, he sprays, says,
58:36
okay, look, we could call him FedEx, because he brought that stuff over and he's like,
58:40
he's not FedEx anymore.
58:41
He's like, he's a defense guy anymore.
58:43
He like, he built this and we need him.
58:45
Yeah.
58:46
And so, you know, there's nepotism and stuff, right?
58:49
Like you bring in how's the guy like him, you know, 27 years old, you know, Anglico
58:55
Marine with one deployment Afghanistan, get on a team like this with CIA ground branch
59:01
guys, Delta Force guy, as dev group guys, like, how's he get in there?
59:05
He earned his way there.
59:06
Like he came, showed up, did the job, earned his way there.
59:10
He sprained was the one that was like, hey, he has to stay.
59:12
And so that's how he got on and man, you know, we went from him being there, running the
59:16
talk, these operations coming up in me really facing this really difficult choice.
59:22
And this choice was do I as a leader, take our most critical, one of our most critical
59:29
assets, which is Hunter, he's proven to be a critical asset across the border in Ukraine
59:33
or do as a father say, hey, I'm going to keep you on this side of the border where it's
59:37
safe, because I want to protect you and control you.
59:39
You know, that's a real dilemma for me.
59:40
And really with the books more about than anything else is that right me as a father dealing
59:45
with the fear that a parent has to protect their son, the control that you have the
59:49
parent to protect those you love and really come into this determination that as much
59:54
as I love Hunter, as much as I love my son, that God loves him more and as much as I can
59:58
protect my son, God can protect him more.
1:00:00
And as much as I want to control the situation, God had burdened his heart the same way he
1:00:05
burned my heart to go help those innocent people, and he was and who was who was I to
1:00:10
stop that just because I was his dad.
1:00:13
And the reality of all of it came to the realization that as dangerous as it was, because look,
1:00:19
there's a time if you're reading the book, the prologue, like we're two hours behind
1:00:22
Russian lines, Hunter's in bot mood leading operation.
1:00:25
He's getting bombed by indirect fire at the same time.
1:00:28
And I'm in zoom two hours away and see spray and I are getting hit by indirect fire.
1:00:33
Like within a hundred yards of us dirt flying on us like that kind of indirect fire like
1:00:37
we're father's son, two hours apart on a radio, we're hearing each other getting bombed like
1:00:43
how do you get to that there?
1:00:44
And it was this realization to allow that and when I say allow that because I was in charge,
1:00:48
right?
1:00:49
There's realization that the safest place for my son to be safer than in a war zone in
1:00:54
Ukraine or safer than in a in on his couch in Texas, the safest place my son to be is
1:01:00
in God's will.
1:01:01
And whatever the results of that may be and that's the hard thing to say at the dive,
1:01:04
but whatever the results that may be and I had to come to that realization and and so
1:01:07
writing this book I like was is really more than anything else to testimony of me making
1:01:13
that transition in my life because I'm very controlling.
1:01:15
And when I get fearful or something, I take total control of it, especially when it comes
1:01:19
to those I love and and just letting relinquishing that control relinquishing that fear to trusting
1:01:25
both God and trusting my son and allowing him to be, you know, where God's burden is
1:01:30
hard to be and that's in the will of God.
1:01:33
And that's what this book's about more anything and that was a that's a hard thing, but that's
1:01:37
what happened.
1:01:38
Yeah, I would say that's that's the main theme and I mean really that's a subtitle why a
1:01:41
father and son risked it all for the people of Ukraine.
1:01:45
And so your relationship with Christ, but also like your father, son relationship, that's
1:01:49
a dynamic.
1:01:50
I mean, you talk about in the book, it's a great story.
1:01:52
You got to pick up the book to get it there's I mean, there's there's a great story about
1:01:55
y'all rescuing this Fox News correspondent, like, and you know, how you and Hunter were
1:01:59
a part of that like all that's in the book, but also there was a checkpoint thing that
1:02:02
came up where, you know, basically you could have had it set up where Hunter didn't have
1:02:07
to do any of the talking and didn't have to be, you know, the cool is a cucumber guy didn't
1:02:10
have to have any of that risk, but you kind of talk through that scenario and you don't
1:02:14
just talk through it like an operator, you talk through like a father because above being
1:02:18
an operator, you are a father, even though over there, it's like your priority was kind
1:02:22
of being an operator, but it wasn't just you guys, it wasn't just your son, it wasn't
1:02:26
just your team, there is actually because kind of loss in all this is there are Ukrainians
1:02:33
that are doing things that are that are pretty extreme to try and push back the darkness
1:02:37
that we're seeing coming in from the Russians.
1:02:40
And so I want to read this quote here, the Ukrainian church had formed their own underground
1:02:45
network and we're playing a vital role in getting the aid that the NGOs were providing
1:02:49
across the country to the troops themselves.
1:02:52
And some of the stories that you described in the book chat about these Ukrainian pastors,
1:02:55
these dudes were gangsters, like these were kind of like, I was reminded of Dietrich Bonhoeffer
1:03:00
and him, you know, being just this kind of theologian, kind of this wimpy theologian
1:03:05
pastor guy, and then also he turns into this gangster that's, you know, part of a plot
1:03:09
to kill Hitler to end, you know, the third Reich and all these different things and,
1:03:13
you know, to avoid war and the killing of the Jews and all that.
1:03:15
So talk to me a little bit about these pastors and what you saw from them when you were there.
1:03:20
Yeah.
1:03:21
One of the most epic moments that I had, you know, in my time, you know, those 10 trips
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in Ukraine, I got to see all kinds of stuff, you know, some of the most kinetic combat
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I've seen in my life, eight deployments to Afghanistan has been in Ukraine.
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I mean, bodies everywhere, I mean, this is military and military, not, it's insane.
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But one of the most epic moments was sitting in a basement outside of Kiev with this pastor
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and bombs are going off and the air raid sirens are going off and he wanted to be in the basement,
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he wanted to be upstairs, but went sit down with him and we're talking and I felt like
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I was in World War II.
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I felt like when the air raid sirens are cold, this gray outside, the bombs are going off
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and all the lights are out and I'm sitting there and just having this conversation with
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this pastor who's to chose, by the way, who was also had his, I don't know what status,
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but some sort of visa status to be in America.
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He was in America chose to go back there and a lot of people don't know, a lot of people
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fled Ukraine, but over 300,000 men Ukrainian men went back to Ukraine to go fight for their
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country.
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And a lot of pastors who were out doing missionary work around the world came back to Ukraine.
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This was one of them.
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He came back and he chose to be there.
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His wife and kids went in there, but he was there and he, and I asked him, well, how do
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you think this again?
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He's like, we're going to win and he's like, they will have to kill every single Ukrainian
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because we'll fight till the end.
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And this a pastor, this isn't a soldier, a guy probably never shot a gun as life before
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and he talked about them going around as a church, moving street signs to make, to lure
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Russian soldiers into, into the ambush sites to kill them.
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This is a, this is a pastor.
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They're talking about this network that God helped them, this guy build relationships
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with military and government officials and to build this network.
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As much as I want to do at this time as an NGO, as a former special operator, I have
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to have what's called, we call them a special operations community and, you know, intelligence
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war called access and placement.
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You could be as good, what do you want to be at something?
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But if you don't have access to a geographical location to do that work, it doesn't matter
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how good you are at it, right?
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You have to have access and placement to those locations.
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And so all these NGOs wanted to be able to get aid to the front line.
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They wanted to be able to get military support, training the troops, but everything was so
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chaotic that it was very difficult to have access and placement.
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And so the person that, or the personal group of people that I believe God brought in to
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the mix and that orchestrated this for years prior, to build a pull off access and placement
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for NGOs like, like me, was the church.
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This underground church had a network of people that knew each other, they trust each other,
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and they were able to allow NGOs to have access and placement to build do the work they want
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to do.
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I mean, even something like as simple as getting fuel to the front lines, you can't get, you
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can't get past the checkpoints unless you had access and placement.
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If I want to get turnkits to the front lines, you can't get to the front lines to get to
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those troops with access and placement, you want to get Bible sticks, you want to go
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minister to them.
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If you want to do anything, be positioned to about to rescue, you have to have access
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and placement to access and placement for the NGO community came through the underground
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network of the churches and these pastors.
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And it was like to see that on the ground, in the churches underground, not underground,
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to see that firsthand, and literally felt like I was in World War II during the Nazi
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occupation of Eastern Europe.
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It was incredible.
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And these were some of the bravest, most selfless men I've ever seen, take the politics
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to all of this.
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These people didn't care about the politics, they don't care about the whiskey, they didn't
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care about their countrymen and their freedom and their farms and their family, that's what
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they care about.
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And they were willing to die with their neighbor and some of them did, a lot of them did, they
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were willing to die for their neighbor to make sure that they fight to preserve their
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freedom.
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It was incredible.
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Well, Chad, it reminded me of a recent discussion that you had with the great Eric Metaxas
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on your podcast, Resilient, where, you know, you're talking a lot about his book, Letter
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to the American Church and then his follower books, Religionless Christianity.
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And basically when he breaks down what would have happened if more German pastors would
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have pushed back against the rise of the Nazi party.
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And it's like, imagine these Ukrainian pastors right now, if they were just like, you know
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what, we're just going to do church and we're just going to be about the gospel.
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And then you have like literally people around them dying, starving, freezing.
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And it's just kind of like, no, no, no, we're not going to get into any social issues.
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We're not going to get into the culture war.
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We're not going to get into the war war.
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We're going to be pacifistic.
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We're going to be all these different things.
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How much differently would this conflict look?
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Obviously, it would look major, super different.
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So Chad, this next question is going to be the last question of the day before we have
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to do a fourth recording just to get this one podcast out for the love of all things
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holy.
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And the question is a serious one.
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It's where is God in all of this conflict?
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Because you just got through talking about the pastors.
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You've talked about your personal faith, the faith of the people that are on your team.
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But there are a lot of Christians that have an attack of conscience whenever you're walking
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by a mass grave and you see newborn babies slaughtered toddlers, innocent women, elderly
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women.
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You hear about the systematic rape of some of the people by the Russian soldiers.
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You hear about all these atrocities.
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And it's a fair question.
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How is God working here right now in all this depravity?
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How would you answer that?
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I mean, God, obviously, as a believer, God's always present and you know, the question
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always comes when stuff like this happens in the question, always the surface for me in
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war is why do good things, why do bad things happen to good people, right?
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Especially not just good people, innocent people, children, why do bad things happen?
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You know, and you know, first of all, I'd say these bad things are not done by God.
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That's the first thing.
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I think none of us would believe that God did these things, right?
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But could God stop these things?
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That's the real question, right?
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God, the home, the universe and put the stars in the sky, like created, you know, life from
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nothing in each of us, like, could he stop these things?
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And the answer is, yeah, of course he could.
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So if he could, why wouldn't he, right?
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And that brings up the really heavy question.
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And you know, it is a matter of free will.
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If God would intervene, and I believe he does intervene, but intervene in a way that completely
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controls humanity, then we would not be who he created us to be, we would not be free
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will of people.
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And in that free will comes evil.
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And evil people do evil things.
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And I think we look at things in this world as permanent.
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We don't look at things eternal.
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I mean, look at things eternal that starts to change your perspective.
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But the question still remains, you know, why do bad things happen to good people?
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And the truth is none of us are good.
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The Bible says none of us, not one of us are good.
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We're born in a sinful nature.
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And if there was only ever one good person on this earth, it would have been Jesus.
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And he was born in a manger, he lived his life on the run.
1:10:16
He was hunted down by his own people, rejected by his people, arrested, tortured, spit on,
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beaten, crucified, murdered.
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So if he's the one good person, right, bad things happen to him, very bad things happen
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to him.
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And this world is an example of this world is an evil place and it's evil people.
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And where there's evil, good men and women, I use men, I don't want to leave out that
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especially in Ukraine, because I've seen some amazing women go across that word of help.
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And so I always talk about men in combat and I'm a very much believer, especially in the
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world I come from as a man, it's a man's job.
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But in Ukraine, I've seen some amazing brave women go out.
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So good men and women have stood up against this evil.
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And where I see God's hand come into this is just miraculous acts of providence where God
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allows us to do things that are impossible.
1:11:15
Why did what would happen, why did what we do in Afghanistan work where we rescued 17,000
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people?
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I'm not smart enough to do that.
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I'm not logistically capable enough to do that.
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I'm not networked enough to do what happened.
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That was a orchestrated miracle by God himself that he allowed me to be part of.
1:11:32
Why did we get to rescue these people we rescued in Ukraine?
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Man, the access, the placement, the favor, those are things that were orchestrated way
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before we ever thought I could have put a point to Ukraine in a map.
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Those were orchestrated by God himself and I was brought into that.
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So all these things that we have done, these good things that we have done to help innocent
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people were orchestrated by God.
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Me and C spray got caught behind Russian lines.
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And literally we have an indirect fire hitting within 100 yards of us, mid-jest dropping
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airstrikes.
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I've never seen them.
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Look, I've been all through Afghanistan.
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We own the air.
1:12:06
I've never seen an enemy jet fly over and drop air ordinance on anything.
1:12:10
We're caught in the middle of that.
1:12:12
And the Ukraine troops we're with, we're fighting literally, I could hear that.
1:12:15
The buffer springs on their weapons, I could smell gunfire and I'm like, oh my gosh, this
1:12:20
is like the most kinetic thing I've ever seen.
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I stopped counting after about 80 Russian troops that I stepped over.
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I was actually counting them at first, so I stopped counting as we were passing them.
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And I mean, in the midst of that, I didn't see one Ukrainian soldier get hit and it was
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a miracle.
1:12:39
It was a miracle moment.
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It was a miracle moment at C spray and I made it out there.
1:12:42
It was a miracle moment that my son, who was two hours away, made it out of there.
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And so in the midst of this, all this evil and all this chaos, you know, and God hasn't
1:12:51
allowed everyone to be spared, certainly, but I personally have a witness, God do miraculous
1:12:57
things to allow us to do the work that we do.
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And I can't do that.
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Chad, it's what you said a little bit earlier, having an eternal perspective helps because,
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you know, on this earth, if you don't believe in cosmic justice, you know, you have to get
1:13:11
your justice on this earth.
1:13:12
And so you're going to try to create justice, but you have to know that there is a time
1:13:17
coming where every tear that's ever been shed, it'll be as if it was never shed.
1:13:21
And it's like that is such a powerful thought for us to kind of rest in.
1:13:25
Now Chad, at the beginning of this episode, I said, how cool is it that you've been on
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here four times technically now though, you've been on eight times because of just trying
1:13:34
to get this one freaking and interview done, but Chad, we have made it to the finish line.
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That's all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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But we're going out at the vortex. Vortex is shooting these, shooting these new optics
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Look, Chad, I've lived most of my life as a literal redheaded stepchild, but I've never
1:14:25
felt less appreciated than I have by you over the last few months.
1:14:29
But hey, we're coming full circle, all kidding a side, Chad. We need more guys out there
1:14:34
like you and like Hunter, I'm so glad that that you guys are out there that save our
1:14:38
allies is still working that you got the Sarah Verados of the world that are doing what they
1:14:43
can to push back darkness. But man, and keep writing books, keep doing awesome stuff and
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we'll keep having you on.
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So we'll see you next time, Chad.
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Thank you, brother.
1:14:52
All right, guys. Thanks so much for staying with us throughout that entire episode.
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