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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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All right, guys. Today, I've got a special guest on the podcast. His name is Chad Prather.
0:55
So he is a comedian, conservative political commentator and the host of the Chad Prather
1:00
show on Blaze TV. I actually appeared on his show back in June. I think it was June, I believe.
1:04
So you can go to our website and check that out or just go to his YouTube channel. We did two
1:07
back-to-back episodes. That was a lot of fun. This guy has done a lot of things in his life when we
1:11
get into that in the show. He actually ran for governor. He ran for governor of the state of Texas
1:15
here recently. But here's the thing about this podcast. And I've told you guys this before.
1:19
Some of my favorite interviews that I've ever done, whenever I go back and look at the questions,
1:23
I intended to ask them and compare it to the questions that actually ended up asking them,
1:28
they're completely different. That is a common through point of some of my favorite interviews
1:32
that I've ever done. And this conversation is no different because I've got a lot of things on
1:37
my list that we didn't cover, even a little bit. Okay, we talk a little bit about the different
1:42
things he's done in his life because he's had a lot of different jobs and a lot of different
1:46
areas of focus. And he had a very circuitous route to being a comedian and a professional
1:51
conservative podcaster with the blades and all these different things. But almost immediately,
1:56
I started talking to him about the state of the church and the state of how church is done today
2:02
versus the first century or a first century or New Testament model. We spent a great deal
2:07
a time talking about that. But then we talked about the state of manhood, not just in the church,
2:12
but in cultural culture at large. And then we get into some of the drag queen story hour and drag
2:17
queen parties that are happening around. And guys, I don't really want to go into any more detail
2:22
because I want you to get into this. This was a fantastic conversation. Now, I'm gonna have Chad
2:26
back on. I don't know if we'll be able to get him on before the end of the year, maybe beginning
2:29
and next year. And we'll deal with some of that. You know, I do want to talk to him about what it
2:32
was like running for governor of the state of Texas. I do want to talk to him about his thoughts on
2:36
the future of the country. And I want him to go over stuff that's in the news cycle. What do you
2:39
think about Biden? What do you think about Trump? All that kind of stuff. But that's just not where
2:43
we went about 2025 minutes in. I was like, Nope, all right, we're blowing this up. And we're gonna
2:47
move through it. So I really, really do think you guys are going to enjoy that. And I also know
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let's get into this interview. Chad Prather. So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Chad Prather, welcome to a dog to life of man's podcast. Brother, it is good to be with you.
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Hey, I got to tell you, this isn't nearly as fancy of a meeting as when you had me on your
5:18
show, because you've got this whole big studio. It's fancy. You have servants. You have people
5:22
like literally bringing you drinks and grapes and crap in between. Like you're literally just
5:26
forced to sit on your couch in front of a laptop. So I guess we need to start with a big, I'm really,
5:31
really sorry, Chad. I'm sorry. I'm not as fancy. Kyle luxury is overrated, buddy. It's uh,
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stay, stay right here the way it is. Stay Spartan as possible.
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Okay, that's what I'm going to do. I try to do things as relaxed as possible since I'm so
5:45
intense, because I can't make my face look any different. Like I just look this way. I just
5:49
talk this way. So I have to like try to like soften the edges in other areas. So you've had a really
5:55
interesting life. You and I have kind of maintained a friendship since coming on your show. And it's
5:59
really awesome to get to know you a little bit. But you've got a very unique story in that.
6:04
You just, I guess had a unique upbringing. You've done a lot of stuff. You know, you have a degree
6:09
from Columbia. You were a pastor. You did international mission work. You've been in the business world.
6:13
You went to seminary or I guess you were a professor in seminary for a while, but also
6:17
you had a unique childhood. So I need you just in a few minutes to bring us up to speed to where you
6:22
are today. Just tell us all the important information. Let's see in a nutshell. I was born in New
6:28
Jersey. I love to tell people I'm a pro life guy and I believe life begins a conception. And I was
6:33
conceived in Texas. So at least I have Texas DNA. That's right. Yeah, my father was an engineer.
6:39
And they had him on a project in New York. So I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there
6:44
about four months of my life. And then they moved to Augusta, Georgia, which was my mother's
6:49
hometown. My father was a South Carolinian. My mother was a Georgian and she won out. So
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grew up in Georgia, then wound up going to I played baseball and wound up going to the
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University of Georgia. And from Georgia, as you said, went to Columbia and Columbia also has a
7:06
seminary. So I went there as well as did some teaching while I was there as well. And I went
7:13
into the ministry. I was doing school and doing ministry around the age of 19. It's for the next
7:22
12 years of my life, 13 years of my life. I spent a lot of time both working in local churches,
7:28
both pastoring and leading, but also traveling around the world, doing a lot of work in third
7:33
world countries. I spent a ton of time in West Africa and tons of stories there.
7:40
But I tell people all the time, Kyle, I was a terrible pastor. I was a great teacher preacher,
7:46
but I was a terrible pastor because in American churches, it's people don't really want their
7:53
problems fixed. They want their problems understood. I believe that if people could,
7:57
if you could take away their problems, a lot of them would lose their identity because they've
8:01
so victimized themselves with what's been done to them or how they've been so-called oppressed.
8:07
So I'm one of those guys, I've bottom line it for you. I'm not here to pat your Bobo, right?
8:11
I don't have a whole lot of gray areas in that regard. So I was a little too prophetic, if you will,
8:16
a little too black and white for shepherding local churches. And that's a real thing, man.
8:21
You know, I'm not one of those, I'm not one of those counselors, dude, just gonna make you feel good.
8:26
But we, I never, I just kind of, because I was struggling trying to fit into a role
8:34
that wasn't me kind of putting on Saul's armor. I burned out. I wound up losing a marriage and
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we had four kids. It was a, it was a traumatic thing and it really kind of crawled into a cave
8:46
of life at that point and didn't know what I was going to do. And I always knew that I had a gift
8:51
to communicate and this thing called social media came along and, and I was fascinated with the
8:56
sociological aspects of it, of how you could reach people and trigger people and make people laugh
9:02
and make them spend their money and push the buttons and get them to push the buttons.
9:06
And so for me, I started using social media as a means and an outlet to, to do all those things,
9:12
particularly to make people laugh and a television network wound up. Well, first it was a radio
9:18
network reached out to me about doing a radio show and then a television network reached out about
9:22
doing a travel show with them. One thing led to another and I wound up one viral on social media
9:27
with these silly videos sitting in the truck and just kind of talking to my dashboard for a minute
9:33
or two. And, you know, then it got into the world of podcasting and then wound up at Blaze TV.
9:39
And so now I don't even really have a podcast. It's a TV show and, you know, one thing it just
9:45
incrementally led to another to get to this point. And a lot of people ask me, they say, you know,
9:51
you know, why aren't you still in ministry? You should still be in ministry. I said,
9:54
you have a wrong idea of ministry because I see what I do as ministry even, even now. I just
10:00
don't have that title, that church title in front of my name. So yeah, it's been, it's been a wild
10:05
journey. You know, I'm a, I'm a, I do live shows as a comedian. I do live shows as a musician.
10:11
I do motivational speaking with organizations that have me in, do the podcasting, do the television
10:16
show. And so there's a lot of people who, there's two ways of approaching it. People say, man,
10:20
you, you really do a lot of things. And that's great. And then there's a lot of people who say,
10:24
man, you do a lot of things. You maybe should settle that down a little bit, not do so much.
10:29
So here I am, man. I'm, I'm like a goose. I wake up in a new world every day. And I'm,
10:36
you know, I like, I like to do a lot of things. I love variety. And it just kind of defines me.
10:41
Flowing ad budget on metrics that look great till the CFO sees them. That's bullspend. And
10:46
marketers are calling it out in dashboard confessions. I remember telling my boss,
10:52
it'll be good for the brand when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.
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terms and conditions apply. Well, Chad, it's exciting when you're the business. And like,
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so when somebody, because, you know, you have to eat what you kill. And so you constantly need
11:17
to look for these other lines of income and other lines of influence and stuff like that.
11:21
But I do want to kind of circle back. We talked about this a little bit off air,
11:24
but we can go and get into it now. Just the overall state of the modern church.
11:28
So you had me on your show earlier this summer. We did two episodes and we talked a lot about
11:32
that. We talked about manhood, but just specifically within the church, you know,
11:36
we love to lament as a modern Christian culture that we live in a post Christian culture.
11:41
I think a lot of Christians kind of wear that as a badge of honor or a badge of courage.
11:45
But I think it's, it's healthy to look at that and lament it and to do things to counteract that.
11:50
But it's also healthy to look that and be like, we weren't guaranteed to be, you know, prosperous
11:56
and have no issues. We were basically guaranteed persecution and death and then eternal life.
12:01
And so just talk to me a little bit about the state of that because you were in that world,
12:05
right? I'm pseudo in that world because I'm not a pastor. I'm not affiliated with any denomination
12:09
or any particular church building. So I can basically say whatever I want. So this is like a para church
12:14
ministry. And so it's like, and I agree with your sentiment that everyone's a minister in some way,
12:20
whether you, you know, work as a janitor or you work, you know, in a factory or you work in a doctor's
12:24
office, you're ministering to people every single day, just with how you operate and, you know,
12:29
get into them and get into their lives. But just talk to me about the overall state of the church,
12:32
because I got to say, I'm not terribly enthused with a lot of things I see outside in Christendom.
12:37
And that's why I make Christians mad and ruffle their feathers a lot, at least here recently.
12:42
Yeah, we, I was in Frankfurt, Germany, in the airport in 1994. And I saw all the advertisements
12:52
on the wall, you know, the, you know, how we go through a place, you might see Victoria's secrets
12:56
or some magazine cosmopolitan vogue, something like that, Vanity Fair, and how provocative in
13:02
1994, the ads in a public place in Germany were, and I was saying at the time, I said, you know,
13:10
America usually is about 15 to 20 years behind what Europe's doing culturally. Now that sped up,
13:17
because you got to remember in '94, that was kind of pre-internet days, everybody didn't have a
13:21
cell phone, you know, the cultural information traveled a lot slower. That now that happens a
13:28
lot faster, the world's gotten smaller. But I can remember saying then, I said, you know,
13:33
if this can happen in Germany, which was, you know, obviously the place of the Reformation,
13:39
you know, it was the heart of the Reformation. It was the heart of Protestantism. And I said,
13:45
you know, just 500 years later, it becomes a place of atrocity, it becomes a place where
13:50
Nazism, it takes, takes hold. But then now this, this lascivious culture is being exposed everywhere
13:57
in public places. I said, you know, the church is really in trouble if we don't fortify ourselves
14:02
now in terms of what's coming. So now we see what's happened. And that is we didn't fortify ourselves,
14:08
we've allowed ourselves to embrace the world's message. And two big things have happened, I think
14:12
in the church. One is we've embraced commercialism and we're okay with disenfranchisement. What I mean
14:18
by that is commercialism, we don't really care so much if if if unadulterated offensive truth is
14:24
being preached in our pulpit. So as long as the coffee is the right flavor, air conditioner is
14:28
set and the fountains are running in the lobby. And you know, there's a valet to help park your car
14:34
and you know, the right children's minister is there to entertain your kids. So we're really no
14:40
different from a Christian Disney world and I use the word Christian in quotations. And then
14:46
the disenfranchisement part is our is our that individualism, which is inevitable because as
14:50
Americans, we do believe in individuality. But that's not what the church is supposed to be,
14:55
the church is supposed to be a community. We're not, we're not supposed to be unified as much
14:59
as we're supposed to be one. And that is that's something that I think has been lost in terms of
15:05
what the biblical message is for the American church is we're not one. We don't we don't have
15:10
a common message. We're not one with one another. We're not a one heart. You know, our worship is not
15:14
we don't have and when I define that, when I say one, we get from the word one, the word
15:21
integer and the word integer, we get the word integrity. So so if we're not one with ourselves,
15:26
we don't have integrity in our own in our own heart and community. So we've kind of lost that in a
15:31
big way. And we hear people talk about revival revival. We need revival. Well, obviously we're
15:38
not in any form of a revival, which if you look, the word revival is not in the New Testament at
15:45
all. It's an Old Testament terminology. It was pre the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And so
15:52
but once the new covenant was made in Christ, the concept is is New Testament discipleship.
15:58
And that is that is taking the image of Christ that dwells in you and reproducing it in the lives
16:08
of others. I think that's what we're looking for. But unfortunately, we've lost what we what we know
16:14
to be the teachings and the image of Christ in us. You know, Jesus said, go and teach the nations
16:20
everything that I've commanded you, everything that I've commanded you. We're not doing that.
16:24
And so consequently, we've lost our mission. And if you lost your mission, then you've lost your
16:28
purpose. And I always tell people an example, I say, you know, dogs that run in packs, they'll do
16:34
one of four things at any given time. They'll sleep, they'll eat, they'll fight amongst themselves.
16:40
And if unthreatened, they'll let new members join the pack. They'll do those four things until a
16:45
rabbit runs by when the rabbit runs by the ones that are eaten and sleeping and fighting are going
16:49
to stop and they're going to chase the rabbit and they'll now let new members join the pack as
16:53
long as they're willing to get caught up in the in the vortex and the chaos of the rabbit chase.
16:58
So what are Christians, Christians, you know, or what is what are churches, churches are
17:02
Christians running in packs, right? So, so we are, we sleep, that is, we get lethargic,
17:07
we eat, we just go in there and want somebody to feed us all the time, you know, some spiritual
17:10
truth. We fight amongst ourselves. God knows that happens in the church. And as long as somebody's
17:15
not willing to mess up the status quo, we'll let new members join us. But we've, we've lost the
17:20
rabbit, right? We've lost the vision and that vision, I think, is the great commission.
17:24
It's so consequently, the church has become a feel good habitat. It's become a place of
17:29
of comforting and soothing. And, you know, God forbid we offend anybody or step on anybody's toes.
17:34
And I say that coming from the perspective of a comedian because I always tell people
17:38
that in this age where free free speech or just speech in and of itself is under attack,
17:44
there's two places you should go and expect to get offended. One is the church and the other is,
17:50
is the comedy place, you know, the comedy stage. And we fight against both of those right now
17:54
because we just want to feel good all the time. So, the state of the church, we're in trouble.
17:58
And I don't know if there's any hope for us apart from a true outpouring of God's,
18:02
you know, grace and favor and mercy in that, you know, that evidenced by his spirit.
18:08
But I always, you know, God can't save saints and God can't save seats in the local churches
18:17
full of both of them. You know, we're not bringing people in, we're not truly blessing people,
18:21
we're not ministering to people. That's why I love that what I do as abrasive as it can be on
18:28
social media, to me as a ministry, to me as a ministry. And it's very offensive to the average
18:34
modern 21st century mind. But I'm okay with that, right? Because I think we need some abrasiveness.
18:41
Well, let's dig into that a little bit more. And I obviously cosign the abrasiveness. Obviously,
18:44
people are like, I always talk too fast and you're a little bit too aggressive. It's like, well,
18:47
I can't control either of those things. But, you know, one thing I think you would cosign,
18:51
just to make sure everyone's not mishearing you is obviously, you don't think that God's
18:54
church is in trouble because God is in control of his church. It's the American church that's in
18:59
trouble. Maybe you could say the Western church. Well, that's the thing. You know, we throw our
19:03
labels and stuff on the church. Well, when I talk about the bride of Christ, obviously,
19:10
she is being purified for a day, right, that is coming. And we know that that bride, that Christ's
19:18
Christ loves very much. You go back to, you go back to the book of Esther, you know, and Esther
19:24
anointed herself and they groomed her, I hate to use that word. It's been lost in so many things
19:32
today. But they literally, they bathed her and they had anointed her body and they put her in baths.
19:38
I mean, she did this for 12 months before she got married, right? I mean, she was really getting
19:44
perfumed up. I mean, she went through this beauty regimen for 12 months, if you read the story,
19:50
before her wedding day. We're going through some pretty cleansing times right now, you know,
19:56
the whole wheat and chaff. And so we're in a day and age where I think that the bride is being
20:03
beautified, but man, there's some ugly parts that are there that I think that God loves us so much
20:10
that He's peeling those layers off. You know, I tell people and they have to think about this
20:16
when I say it, but there's some parts of you that aren't going to heaven. Like there's some of those
20:22
things that you love about you aren't going to make it because those aren't the sanctified parts.
20:28
Those aren't the things that are going to be pleasing to him. And so he's trying to get those
20:33
sacred cows out of our lives and get us to a place where we are pure. So no, the church itself,
20:41
you know, globally is growing. There is true discipleship happening. There is New Testament
20:49
Great Commission processes happening around the world. I can remember when I was in Abishan
20:56
Cookedivore, Ivory Coast back in I think it was '96, '95. First time I was there and I came back
21:03
and I was telling a seminary friend about some things that I saw while I was there. And it was
21:08
just like demonic stuff that I saw, you know, black magic and just some of the stuff that was there.
21:15
And it was just some real pure evil stuff in the buddy of mine, seminary friend of mine. He goes,
21:22
yeah, they got that over there, don't they? I was like, man, they got it everywhere. I said,
21:26
with their face in the face, you think it's not in America? I said, you know, it's just not being
21:31
paraded the way it is. I said, but it's here too. This evil is here too. But see, we've stuck our
21:37
head in the sand so bad that we don't realize that these forces and powers that are unseen,
21:43
that are very, very evil and wicked, they're affecting us, man. But we've gotten so sterile
21:49
in the way that we do things. It's very antiseptic and clinical in the way we do church. And so in
21:56
that regard, we've become powerless. You don't need power. You don't get power. So that's where we're
22:02
living. So you brought up a lot of things that I want to kind of weave together. I want to go back
22:06
to a point that you were making about the commercialization of the modern church and a lot of those things.
22:11
So the easy colloquial term for that is the mega church. And I've had some conversation with some
22:16
pastors that are kind of in that world. And you know, I'm still kind of thinking through the
22:20
ramifications of that, because it is possible to have a mega church in terms of the definition
22:25
and be incredibly healthy. And in the pastor is not doing TED talks with a few Bible verses on
22:29
the back end, but starting with the scripture and maybe a few life lessons here and there.
22:34
But I guess what I see in the modern church, Chad, you can tell me if you feel like this is the same
22:38
way. And this is regardless of if it's a mega church or a small church, even in a rural community,
22:44
I feel like we are requiring so little of people because we've bought into the business ethic of
22:51
trying to diminish the barriers to entry, I guess you could say. And so I remember Jordan
22:58
Peterson recently talking about this on a YouTube video when in his message to Christian churches,
23:02
which is like, require everything. Not only put a big neon sign that says men are welcome here,
23:08
but require everything of them. Because look, if you really believe the gospel and you believe
23:14
in repentance and what that actually means, it doesn't mean saying, sorry, God, it means turning
23:17
away from the life that you were living and the things that you were doing. But most churches,
23:22
it is. It's like, grab your delicious coffee, grab your cookies, go and see the rock show,
23:28
listen to your TED talk and then bounce. I call it spiritual skittles. You just get your skittles
23:32
and they wear off before you leave the parking lot. There's no life change. There's no discipleship.
23:37
It's because we're buying into this modern sense of convenience. And we know that if a sermon goes
23:43
long, that's not convenient because you're going to be, you know, back of the back of the line at the
23:47
sandwich shop, you know, afterwards or something like that. But go a little deeper into that because
23:51
I feel that in my chest, I sense it even in my own church at different points where it's like,
23:56
we're all here checking this convenience box, but I don't know that we're necessarily going
24:01
as far as we need to go with the Scripture. Go. Yeah. No, there's a lot there that you just
24:07
unraveled and laid out there that can be poked at. And I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm
24:14
disconcerted with what I see, right? I look at it and I say, you know, maybe we've never known
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truly what the definition of praise and worship is, right? You know, and so we engage in these
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things that we've been told are the right thing. There is the, you know, certain churches that are
24:34
a little more liturgical, there are churches that are a little more free. What's right, I don't know,
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I don't know that there is a right, you know, I just think that that you have to find the community
24:45
and expression of your faith that fits you. And I think that it is a code of many colors,
24:52
so to speak, in terms of how we express all these things to God. So if I go to church and I expect,
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you know, 30 minutes of music, if I expect 30 minutes of a message, you know, and then I'm going to,
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you know, get out of there and go eat chicken and, you know, give the waitress a hard time
25:10
in the name of the Lord. You know, that what at the end of the day is the right thing that happens
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on a Saturday night or a Sunday or whichever service you choose to go to. I try not to get caught up
25:22
in any of those things. You know, I don't need a guy. I don't need a guy necessarily getting on a
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stage and telling me how to live my life. Now, now that's handy if he's doing it right. It's handy.
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It's a tool. It's also, it's also a thing which is commanded, but not the way we do it, right? There
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is the command to preach the gospel. There and I don't think we and I think we don't understand
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what the gospel is as well. You know, the gospel is not a come and see message. It's a go and tell
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message. It's a tale of good news. That's literally what the word means. You know, the Apostle Paul
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defines the gospel as the proclamation of the death barrel and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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That that is the gospel. It is a proclamation that says we win and you know, you can summarize
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the gospel in those two words. We win. We don't have a we win message right now. We don't have a
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we win mission. We don't have a, you know, a we win method. We don't have any of these things
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going for us right now. So we get caught up in the weekly practice of the expression of that,
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you know, that worship experience, but are we truly discipling any money? I don't, I don't think we are,
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you know, and when I say disciple, here's what I mean by that. You know, Jesus said, go there for
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make disciples of all nations, baptizing of the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit,
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teaching them everything I've command law them with you always under the end of the age.
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So he says, I'm with you to the end of the age. That's Matthew 28 18 through 20. He says, I'm with
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you always to the end of the age. Why is he going to be with you? He's going to be with you so you can
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go make disciples. And then of course we saw that as evidence in Acts 1 where, you know, the spirit,
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you know, rest acts one and two were, you know, the spirit rested on the church and then they sent
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them out and they went to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth.
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So Jerusalem, that was their neighbor. They went to, I love these little acronyms or these little
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mnemonic devices. They went to Jerusalem, which was their neighbor. They went to Judea, which was,
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or I'm sorry, they went to Jerusalem, which was near. They went to Judea, which was their neighbor.
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They went to Samaria, which was the neglected and they went to the ends of the earth, which was next.
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There's always the next that's out there. And, you know, as they went, he was with them, right?
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And so when I say that, I mean, I'm going to go and take the Christ that lives in me
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and pour into someone else. You call it mentorship. You can call it discipleship. You can call it an
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impartation of your life, a spiritual father, whatever that may be. But I know that if I take a
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bucket of water and I've got 20 bottles lined up, you know, 15 feet away from me and I take that
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bucket of water and throw it at those bottles, there's going to be some drops that get in that bottle.
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The best method for me, though, is to walk over to each individual bottle and pour from the bucket
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right into the bottle. That's discipleship. What we're doing in the churches is the first thing.
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We're throwing the water at everybody. And that's why I think we're so ineffective.
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And we've gotten so wrapped around the, as you said, a business model. We almost, we want pastors
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with an MBA, right, who are Tony Robbins in a, you know, in a leather jacket because we've got
28:41
to be cool these things. We're reaching jeans on an untucked shirt. And so, you know, we've got these
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guys out there that are slinging water from the bucket. Some of it's getting in us, but it's not
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the most effective method. So I think that's why, by and large, just by default, the mega-church
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method tends to fail. I think it's why this ideology, I'll just go ahead and use that word,
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the ideology that most pastors and church leaders have in their head is they're not successful
29:13
unless their church gets bigger. You know, they're always looking at, we're going to build this
29:16
building and we're going to buy this property and we're going to expand this and we're going to do
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these groups. And it's like, if I don't have this thing that the American church has told me
29:27
is the blueprint for success in church life, then I'm not doing it right. Well, Jesus died with 12
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and one of them was a bad apple, right? So that wasn't a mega-church, but it was an okay model
29:41
that changed the world because he poured himself into them. How do you think it is that Matthew Mark
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and Luke, you look at the synoptic gospels, Matthew Mark and Luke, you know, they all have a
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retelling in some ways of the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount. So you look at Matthew six
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through eight, how do you think Matthew was able to sit down after Jesus had gone away and sit down
30:06
and write those things out in the way that he taught them? Well, because Jesus, and if you look at
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Matthew six and the first verse, it says, and when he was seated, Jesus, we got this image of
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Jesus given the Sermon on the Mount standing up on a rock preaching to the masses. Wasn't doing that,
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says, and when he was seated, the Sermon on the Mount was directed to the 12. He was pouring himself
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into them. Now, there were others there and they could hear they were in the overflow room, so to
30:34
speak, right? You know, mama's nursing babies and, you know, whatever, but he was talking to the 12.
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So there's been some studies on this to say how is it that these disciples after Jesus was gone,
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could sit down and consistently along with each other and independent from each other,
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write these teachings out and get it so accurate. And the answer is Jesus told them over and over
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and over and over again, right? They didn't just just say it once and they got it. He had to say
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that to them at least a hundred times for them to to be able to grasp it. It was catacizing before
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Reba knew what that was. A hundred percent. You take my spiritual father, his name's Wade Trimmer.
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He was a pastor for for he's been in the ministry for over 50 years, Augusta, Georgia. He was my
31:19
spiritual father. We traveled around the world together. I served on his staff. If I pick up the
31:23
phone right now and call him, he's going to answer. We're going to talk. He's still a mentor to me.
31:27
I can I can we did it. We did a service in Georgia a couple of years ago. It was it we celebrated
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his 50th year in ministry and several of us got up and we sort of eulogized him before he was dead,
31:39
so to speak, right? And so I did a whole thing about his the things he says his little his little
31:45
colloquialisms and the way he communicates because I've heard him over the years so many times
31:49
and it got a big laugh because everybody's heard these things for all these years for so long he
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pastored the same church for for 35 years, which is unheard of in this day and age.
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But I can still say the things that he said because I've heard him so many times. That's
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discipleship, but then not only that, not only the sayings, but imparting that spirit into other
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people. And so for me, that's that's where we're missing it as the church. We don't have spiritual
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fathers. There's guys out there who call you and I have had a we've had an off the record
32:20
conversation where you've mentioned a few names to me and I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not going to
32:25
interact with that person. Yeah, just because I came out of that world where my ministry was
32:32
growing, growing, growing, growing, growing. And then when things really got tough,
32:35
there wasn't those guys that call themselves apostolic. Those guys would call themselves
32:40
fathers. They weren't there. They weren't there. Now part of that was my fault. You know, I was
32:45
naive then I got bitter towards them. But there was but a lot of it was their fault too because you
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won't be, you know, sons get messy. Kids get messy, life gets messy. And a lot of times those
32:59
guys who call themselves fathers, they want somebody else to clean up that mess. And now and I bring
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that up because let me also remind people that the New Testament never calls anybody a daughter of God.
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We're all sons of God, even if you're a female. Okay, we're all sons of God. The reason we're
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sons of God is because the only the sons are going to get the inheritance. So we have to be
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sons of God to have authority and to inherit, you know, what God has for us in the kingdom,
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both here and then here now and then. So, so we're sons. And so the pattern is to have spiritual
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fathers and you read first John where he talks about or the second John where he talks about
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he gives a command. Okay, you fathers do this. You sons do this. You fathers do this. You sons do
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this. And he's he's telling the elders to do one thing. He's telling the young in the faith to do
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something else. And they both have these roles to play. And so we don't have we've lost all of that
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stuff. This idea of fathers imparting to sons. Look, we don't do it in our own families much less
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the church in America. Right. You know, I think you and I've also talked about this where we said
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America or Western culture is one of the only cultures throughout history that does not have
34:13
a ceremony whereby we call our sons in manhood. Right. Well, we don't do that in the church either.
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I mean, how what's the litmus test on when a person becomes mature in their faith?
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Do we ever you know that that's a debate? Do we make it up point? You know, that's a debate.
34:28
Yeah, we ever truly become well, you obviously don't become perfect. We're being perfected
34:33
according to the New Testament. But do we ever become perfect? Yeah, you know, I know we don't
34:38
obviously there you know, I don't I don't I don't adhere to that Nazarene doctrine of you know,
34:45
sanctification. And there are many who do and there again, that's a debate. It's it's a healthy
34:51
debate to have. But I believe we're we're perfected in the eyes of God because of the blood of Christ,
34:57
regardless of our of our faults and sins. But we're growing, but what is that method whereby we
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look at them and say, okay, it's time for you to be an elder. It's time for you to be an apostle.
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It's time for you to step into your Ephesians five giftings and start doing or Ephesians four
35:15
giftings and start doing, you know, what it is that God has called you to do. So so and it's hard,
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dude, it's hard. And I'll say this, I'll shut up. I think you and I had this conversation too about,
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you know, when we look at leadership in the church, we like to gut shoot our preachers,
35:31
then shoot them for not having any guts. Yeah, that's one of those things. It's hard.
35:36
It's hard to step out and be a true spiritual father and be a mature believer that can speak
35:42
things because people, people will destroy you for telling the truth. And then you get into things
35:49
like losing your job and losing your, you know, losing your retirement, losing your health insurance
35:54
because you were working for the church. So man, it's a, it's a weird thing, dude. We built a
35:59
weird house of cards and gotten real far away from the New Testament example.
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So a lot there. One thing that you brought out there at the end was, you know, how do we know
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who elders are going to be in different things like that? Well, when you look at some of these
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churches that we've talked on, yes, we've been picking on mega churches and we should probably
36:14
be fair. Again, there are unhealthy and then healthy ones, but a lot of the unhealthy ones,
36:17
Chad, they don't have elderboards. They have boards of directors because their, their senior pastor
36:23
is not a pastor. He's a CEO of a franchise model that constantly needs to be opening up
36:29
new franchises in order to continue growing the brand and to continue selling books or whatever
36:34
the thing is. And again, I do want to draw a delineating line because I do know some people
36:38
personally, Joby Martin has won. He's a, I think he went to the university of Georgia. He's,
36:42
he's a go dogs kind of guy. He's got a very, very healthy, enormous church in Florida and
36:47
Jacksonville. And so there, it can be done in, in there are ways to kind of get after that.
36:52
But I do want to go to something that you are going to check for me. And that, but to me,
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the only way it can be done, and this is my conviction, the only way it can be done is if that
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person who, who leads that large congregation has reproduced himself into other leaders,
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so that they can, can, can interact with those smaller groups of people and have that community.
37:16
And then it's like cells in the body, right? So, you know, this, this organ has all these cells,
37:22
this organ has all these cells. And, but it all comes together into one body and the functionality
37:27
of it. So that's, that's, that's the only qualifier I have there because I don't want anybody walking
37:31
away thinking, oh yeah, I can just go out there and preach to 10,000 people every Sunday morning,
37:35
and that's an effective church. And I know that's not what you're saying.
37:38
Right. Well, and even beyond that, like you're, you're making the great point because,
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so I mentioned Jobe Martin there. I'll, I can't remember if he said this on my show, if he said
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this in one of our private conversations, but he's like, when someone comes to him and says,
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Hey, I need help. His response is like, do you need me or do you need help? And so he talks,
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he talks about that to where it's just like, look, he's not a great counselor. He's not a great
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sit between, you know, a marriage on the brink and fix it type guy. So if you need help, he can get
38:05
you the help, but that's part of the whole discipleship model. But one thing that you said that I thought
38:09
was really interesting chat is the we win thing. Okay, we don't really approach ministry. We don't
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really approach sermons. We don't really approach how we do things as a church with a we win mindset.
38:20
Part of that, if I were to venture a guess, is because that sounds pretty aggressive.
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Like we win because if somebody wins, and guess what? There's a loser and we can't have that
38:30
because everyone's got to be on the same page and equity and everybody gets a trophy and however
38:35
way you want to couch it. But that goes into a discussion that I wanted to have that is still
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involved inside the church, but kind of exists outside of it as well. It's the state of manhood
38:44
overall, because we kind of live in this culture where it's like we got shoot our men and then we
38:48
shoot our men for not having any guts. And so it's one of those deals, especially I always like to
38:52
talk about it in terms of a sheepdog. People are really, really concerned about the sheepdogs.
38:56
They don't want the sheepdogs to have guns. They don't want the sheepdogs to show testosterone
39:00
filled aggression until something pops off. And they're looking around wondering where the sheepdogs
39:05
are because they need one now, right? They need a male order sheepdog and there's not one available.
39:11
And with each successive generation, if we keep, you know, feminizing our boys and we keep telling
39:17
them that the best parts of how God made them, their virility and their strength and their testosterone
39:24
in an honorable, courageous life are toxic inherently, then what do we expect to have as a future,
39:31
not just, you know, as a community, but as a greater culture of Americans. So talk to me a
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little bit about that because I know you've thought a lot about that. So fire away.
39:39
Well, I'm pretty passionate on that topic. So I'll try to be selective here. I go back to the
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we win concept, you know, and I could prove to you this, this is when I know somebody's about to not
39:51
get in their pulpit and preach a we win message or we won message. It's really we won,
39:55
because because again, the death barrel and resurrection of Christ has, has sealed that.
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So it's a past tense deal. It's a past and present and future.
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But you know, when somebody comes out there, here's my practical guide. When somebody comes
40:10
out there, you see these guys that want to be cool, you know, they want to be laid back. They
40:13
want to be comfortable. They come out and they pull a stool out and they sit on the stool and
40:16
they're going to preach to you. That's not a corigma that in the corigma, again, that is that
40:21
preaching, that is that proclamation word that is the Greek for that, you know, and in that
40:25
corigma, that proclamation, we won. You never see a football coach on a sideline on Saturday
40:31
or Sunday sitting on a stool. They're not doing that. They're fired up. They're, they're pushing
40:37
them to win. We want we going to win like, you know, we're going to go out there. We're going to tear
40:41
their heads off. You don't, you don't preach that message sitting on a stool. Now I'm being,
40:46
I'm being a little critical, a little tongue in cheek, but you get the point I'm saying,
40:50
if you're fired up about a message, you're not going to sit on a stool and deliver it. Now,
40:54
I'm not saying you can't sit there and give a teaching, but that's not that corigma proclamation
41:00
of we want. Now, if it's, if you're not excited, if you're, if you're more excited, and trust me,
41:07
I am excited about the University of Georgia Bulldogs, the national champs coming back this
41:12
season and starting their season this Saturday against, you know, Boise State, I'm excited about
41:18
that. But you know, if, if I'm more excited about that than I am in being a man and being a man of
41:26
God and of leader and fighting back against, you know, taking kids to, to drag shows, you know,
41:35
in local restaurants or, or even pedophilia that's rearing its ugly head and everything from the
41:41
Catholic Church to the Baptist Church to the Boy Scouts, it, you know, to these people out there
41:47
who are changing the phrase pedophile to a minor attracted person in order to sterilize that,
41:53
you know, if what I'm seeing in the world and culture doesn't fire me up more, then I've got a
41:58
problem. And if I have that problem, if I'm not enthusiastic about these things, it really freaking
42:04
matter. Then how am I going to inspire that next generation and, and these, and these other men
42:10
around me, both young and old, how am I going to inspire them to step up and say, it's time
42:15
for us to be men. It's time for us to take this back. You know, and I appreciate what Jordan Peterson
42:20
says. You referenced him earlier about how men are absolutely necessary. Men are absolutely necessary.
42:28
I brought up this point on my show talking with Sarah Gonzalez recently. I said, you know, me
42:33
personally, I don't think there should be women in the military. Now that's no disrespect to the
42:38
women who have served in the military. But like, would you have, do you want an army of all women?
42:45
Don't lose your train of thought. But I've said that before and people were shocked. I was like,
42:49
look, I think it's indicative of a sickness in society when we put our women out there to fight
42:54
our battles for us. So, but anyway, go ahead. No, and again, like I said, I mean, no disrespect
42:59
to the women who have served. I'm thankful for you. I appreciate you. I appreciate what you've done.
43:03
But do you want an army of all women? I mean, unless we've got some kind of Amazon race out there
43:08
that I don't know about, I don't think that's what we want. You know, that's mythology. So, so you
43:13
say, well, no, I don't want an army of all women, just some women. Well, why do you want some women
43:18
if they can't, we can't do it with just all women. Then why, what's, you know, why do we do just some
43:23
women? And it's like, listen, there's some women out there that can kick my ass. So, I tread carefully
43:29
on this deal, Kyle. And I say it with all due respect. But what I'm saying is I respect women so
43:37
much that they shouldn't have to go out there and do that. We should have men who are chomping at the
43:42
bits. I mean, freaking Spartans who were saying, you're not going to talk to our women like that.
43:48
You're not going to tread on our land like that. You're not going to take our property like that.
43:51
You're not going to take our freedoms like that. And it's time to kick that dude in the well, right?
43:56
So, but we don't have men like that. You know, I laugh about it and say, maybe it's the steroids
44:02
in the chicken. I look at this new generation of skinny jeans, man bun wearing, soy boy, you know,
44:09
panty waist dudes that are walking around it and they literally celebrate. The last time I was on
44:16
Fox News, I was, I was in New York. I did Fox and Friends in the morning. And they were talking about
44:20
the rise of the beta male. Man, I said some things on that episode that honestly they didn't like,
44:25
they didn't like, but it's true. Because why are we playing nice? I'm not saying we won't always
44:32
have men that are weaker than us physically. Maybe they're mentally stronger. Everybody has
44:37
their traits. But we, it's weird because we're in an epidemic. You won't talk about a true pandemic.
44:43
We're in an epidemic of weak men. Men who don't want to fight for anything, who don't want to
44:48
stand up. They're afraid of being embarrassed. They're afraid of being called out. Look how many
44:52
people go on social media and they hide their faces and they hide their names and they get
44:57
tough behind a keyboard. You know, I don't know if there's a shortage if there's a supply chain
45:02
issue when it comes to hot pockets or mom turned off the AC and the basement. But what are these
45:06
keyboard warriors doing out there, man? But they're, they're, they're, they're just buzzing around.
45:10
They're little flies like, you know, flies on crap. And, and we spend all of our time
45:15
swatting them off rather than doing the stuff that needs to be done to make society great again
45:19
and speaking out. So, you know, it starts, it starts with guys like you taking it, taking a voice
45:26
and using a platform and getting other men on board. And again, when I say that, I shouldn't
45:32
even have to use this disclaimer. But this is not a disrespect or disregard to women,
45:37
because women have a place. Men have a place. You see how culture right now, the attack is on
45:42
identity specifically with gender. You know, they want this homogenized human race. Well,
45:47
that doesn't exist. That does not exist. And in a hundred years, they're going to look at Americans
45:52
say, what the heck were they doing? What were they thinking? I mean, this was idiocracy.
45:57
And this is why, this is why radical Muslims want to kill us. We kill our babies in the womb.
46:02
We, we, you know, men lie down with other men. You've got, you know, women that take the role
46:09
of men. And, you know, I like what comedian Andrew Schwartz said. He said, you feminism,
46:15
well, they played the long game, right? They, they, when people were out there getting eaten by
46:19
lions and killing each other in the Colosseum, they weren't about this equality and feminism.
46:23
But as soon as there was air conditioning in the office buildings, they were like, heck yeah,
46:27
we want equality. So, and they don't understand how society, particularly the government is
46:32
playing us, right? They want to make sure, you know, the federal government right now in America,
46:37
they want to make sure that every home that both parents have to work, they want to make sure that.
46:43
And, and, you know, you can't, you can't live off of one's salary anymore. You can't live off
46:46
of the husband providing for his home. You can't do that. They want to make sure that they've got
46:51
at least two people in the home pay in taxes. So the government gets more money. And so they're
46:55
going to make sure that everything is unaffordable. Both families have to go. And so now what do we
46:59
do? We farm our kids out to these socialist structures called public education and public schools.
47:04
And it, which was designed to be a facilitator and incubator for Marx's thought. And so we put
47:12
them in the collective community and say, well, I don't have time to homeschool my kids. I don't
47:16
have the money to homeschool my kids. I don't have the energy to homeschool my kids. That's right,
47:20
because we have been so defiled by the system to believe that we're just supposed to do it. And so
47:26
whether it's what's going on, the pattern we've embraced with the church or the pattern we've
47:31
embraced with the home, it's disgusting, man. So we're destined to fail. We're literally,
47:36
we're literally on borrowed time when it comes to culture and society in terms of when it's going
47:45
to collapse. Because technically it's already collapsed. Men aren't men anymore. They talk about
47:51
the patriarchy. Let me tell you about the patriarchy. The fact you want to know, you want to know the
47:56
offense of patriarchy to me is the fact that a man can dress up like a woman, go out there and
48:03
objectify a woman by putting on a bunch of makeup, big wigs and a bunch of dresses and blow glitter
48:10
out their ass and go out there and people celebrate that and throw dollar bills at them. That to me
48:15
and nobody, nobody in the progressive re-re-crazy people out there, nobody has a problem with that.
48:23
Really? The fact that you can give Caitlyn Jenner woman of the year, and nobody has a problem with
48:28
that, that is the essence of abuse when it comes to how men objectify women. That's the patriarchy.
48:34
But yet I speak out to the dignity of in the individuality and the uniqueness of femininity
48:40
and people like, "Oh, you're a bigot. You're a misogynist. You're sexist." How dare you point
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out that a woman, you know, it has these, "No, I want to take a woman. I want to protect her."
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You know, why do you think it is that on average, on average, I got a hair right there, I got to pull
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that up, on average, men are typically taller than women. You know, you're here, the woman's here.
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God created that because she fits under your arm. She fits in a protective place. Her head
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lays against your chest next to your heart. Just look at it physically. Look at the intimacy of a
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sexual relation. The way the design of all of that, it's just physiologically and anatomically,
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is all about the man protecting the woman, caring for the woman, you know, cherishing the woman,
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all of these things. But to us these days, we're blasted for having that such a narrow-minded deal.
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No, I've never met a woman. I mean, a true woman. I've never met a woman that didn't want to be
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protected, nurtured, and taken care of. I've never met that. I mean, I've seen some people
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out there that scream in the street and yell. I got stuck, dude. I got stuck in a Me Too rally,
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you know, the vagina hat deal. And I got stuck in one of those parades one day. I was in Grand
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Junction, Colorado, and I was eating breakfast, and I came out onto Main Street, and they were
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having a parade, and I didn't really know what was going on because this was kind of a new movement.
50:05
And I found myself in one of these vagina hat rallies.
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And so me being the way that I am, I just kind of followed along and listened to them and read
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their posters and asked some questions. And dude, they hated me. They hated me. They didn't know me.
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They just hated me. Right? Because how dare I? You know, here I am in my jeans and my boots.
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I got my cowboy hat on. And they hate me just by default and seeing me. I must be one of these,
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you know, narrow-minded sexist pigs. But I was literally trying to understand and hear them.
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And what I heard in their voices, even in their rage, was they're not being protected.
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They're not being nurtured. They're not being cared for. They've never seen true masculinity.
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And even when they have, it's like a dog that's been beaten too many times and you raise your hand,
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just, you know, to scratch your eyebrow and the dog cowers back. And that's the way these people
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are, because we are literally going against God's design for our sexes. And so it starts with men
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coming back to being men, understanding what our role is, who we are, stop apologizing. That's why,
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you know, I've got a whole clothing brand. Our shirts and stuff is it's unapologetic. That's
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what we call ourselves. My business is unapologetic ventures. Don't believe in apologizing for who
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you are. And we got to get away from that. And we've got to stop bowing down to the the idols
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that have been created in front of us. So obviously 45 minutes in, I'm blowing up the rest of my
51:34
interview, all the stuff I told you we were going to talk about off air. By this point,
51:37
you know that I'm not going to go. No, this is all really, really good stuff. We'll have you back
51:42
on to talk about news cycle and all that. But put a pin in the drag queen stuff. Because I want
51:46
to wrap up with talking about the drag queen stuff. Because that's something that I've noticed about
51:50
you is your jovial guy, you're a funny guy. You also take things very seriously. There's a certain
51:55
level of anger that comes out in your voice and in your tone when you talk about that. So put a pin
51:59
in that we'll get there. There was something that came out. And I don't have a fully fledged thought
52:03
here. So I'm going to flow a little bit. Hopefully you can help me a little bit. So you in some of
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the things that you were talking about in terms of men, in terms of manhood, in terms of manhood in
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the church, you get into this discussion about egalitarianism and complimentarianism. Some
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complimentarianism says men and women are equal. And they have separate roles,
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egalitarian's would say men and women are equal. And they should all be able to do the exact same
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stuff regardless of what God's plan is that that's a rough version of those two things.
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Right. What I almost feel like, Chad, I'm literally like chewing on this as I'm going through.
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It's almost like the modern church and the men therein are wanting to use the complimentarian
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model, but they don't want to partner with their brides or with the bride of Christ.
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They want to partner with culture. They want to partner with this society that hates them.
52:53
I just saw this pastor I talked about on my show out of Australia that was saying that we need to
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lean into the rights of trans people. We need to make sure we have these other bathrooms that they
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can go to the bathroom and we need to lean into those things. And that's what the loving thing
53:08
that a Christian would do is. And I've invited this guy to come on my show. His name's Guy Mason.
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He runs a mega church network down there in Australia. And I want him to explain to me
53:17
how it is loving to stand by the same people that say, yes, 14 year old girl, you should cut off
53:23
your healthy breast tissue. You should have part of your forearm removed and sewed to your crotch
53:28
in this phallus like thing. Like, is that the loving thing to do? But I'm called unloving if I
53:33
say that that is a brutal degradation of the amago day of the image of God, of the body of Christ
53:38
that was given to these people and imputed to them when they were born. So I'm kind of getting
53:42
getting off a little bit, but I want to kind of bring it back to that. This guy like Guy Mason
53:46
and other people like them, they so desperately want society and culture to love them and to say,
53:51
Oh, pat them on the head, you're you're so progressive. And you're so this and that those people hate
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you. Don't you understand? They will never believe the way that you would believe and should believe
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they hate you. Why you're trying to attach your complimentarianism to culture that hates you.
54:07
Anyway, so I'm just kind of flowing. You're absolutely right on that, Kyle.
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You step off the reservation and say one wrong thing. They're going to cancel you.
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Right? Absolutely. You can't bow low enough. You have sold your soul and saturated yourself
54:22
with dilution so bad in order to water everything down to make everybody happy, but you're not going
54:28
to make everybody happy. You are that armadillo in the middle of the road, man. You're the yellow
54:32
stripe and you stand for nothing. Look at the end of the day, I want to be able to hear God say,
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well done, good and faithful servant. You know, that's what I want. That's the approval I'm working
54:41
for. You know, I don't want to be that Matthew seven guy who shows up and says, man, you built
54:48
a house, but it was on a bad foundation or, you know, it got swept away or, you know, you say to
54:55
me, Lord, Lord. And, you know, he says, depart from me. I never knew you. I never had an intimacy
55:03
with you. I would much rather [inaudible] some people off here on planet Earth because, you know, the
55:08
book of Isaiah, I think it's, I won't even start calling chapter and verse because I'll get it wrong,
55:13
but the book of Isaiah, one of my favorite passages there is he says, what is man but the breath
55:18
that's in his nostrils? So if that's all we are, why are we working to please these people? Why,
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why are we doing that? There's a church down in Katie, Texas, you know, we're organizing right now
55:31
because on the 24th of September, this church, first Christian church of Katie. And if you go to
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their Facebook page, it's Pauling, they're going to have a family friendly drag show.
55:46
Help me understand this, Kyle, they're going to do a family friendly drag show from like five
55:54
to seven. And then after seven, it goes to 18 and up. Tell me what's going to change at seven o'clock.
55:59
What are you going to do from five to seven for the kids? What are you going to do after seven
56:05
o'clock? What level of perversion are you going to start doing so that the kids aren't welcome
56:10
anymore? So, you know, we've already got about 500 people organized that are going to be there
56:15
for that in protest. And look, I'm at a point now where, and look, I said, you know, I put on
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Twitter yesterday, I said, there's absolutely no reason to take a child to a drag show. And I
56:25
don't want to keep harping on this, but we use it as an example. And there's not, and basically,
56:30
well, there's no reason to take a child to church. Well, yeah, you know, we've got to root out the
56:34
evils that are in the church. I it's still up to the parent to make sure they're taking their kid
56:41
into a healthy environment, whether it's the church or the drag show, you wouldn't take them
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into a strip club, you wouldn't take them into a, you know, a cock fight in the back alleys of
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Thailand, you wouldn't do any of that stuff. So, you know, I look at this stuff, and I say,
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you talk about the love thing, and I say, look, I love everybody. I really do people don't believe
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it. I, you know, some people are real hard to love, but I, but I want what's best for, for people.
57:08
I really do. And when I see you going off that cliff, I want to tell you, I want to warn you,
57:13
just like I hope somebody call, you know, you're my friend, and I, and I would always hope that if
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you saw me running off a cliff somewhere, you'd be like, Hey, dude, hit the brakes, man. Because
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that's what friends do. It's so, you know, I've got, I've got gay and lesbian friends, some I work
57:28
with, some I'm associated with with business, you know, and I, and I, but I'm, I'm an intimate
57:33
relationship with them, and I can look at them, and I can say, you know, that's going to be
57:37
destructive for you, right? You know, you know, what's, what you're doing right now is going to
57:41
lead to now that I can have that conversation. I can say it to him tongue in cheek. I can look
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at him dead in the face, tell him I love him and tell him the truth. I can do those things.
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Now, what people want me to do is condemn them. People want me to come at them and fire and brim
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stone and rain down, saw them in Gamora. And, and I just say, no, I just don't think that's
57:59
the most effective way. I can speak the truth in love with the purpose of character change.
58:04
Speak the truth in love with the purpose of character change. That is the key right there,
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but the love is the key part. Otherwise, as first Corinthians 13, of course, says you're like a
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clanging symbol, you know, speak with the tongues of men and angels. It doesn't matter what I say,
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but if I don't have love, I'm nothing more than a clanging symbol. So, you know, these people that
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I speak to, they know that I love them. They know that I love them. They know that I care about them.
58:28
And, and I can come to them and I could speak those things into their lives
58:32
and try to do it with a gentleness and, and turn them a little bit. And I think we've got to do
58:38
that because this today more than ever, we really have to have an iron fist, but we've got to cover
58:46
it with a velvet glove because people are really tormented. The, the, the powers and
58:54
principalities, you know, those things that are unseen, those spirits that are at work among us
58:58
that we can't see and often disregard, have really ratcheted up the heat, right? And so,
59:06
people are more deceived than ever, maybe not more than ever, but we're in an age of deceit.
59:13
And we've seen it throughout history where it's gotten really bad, but, but we're in an age of
59:18
deceit and you wonder how, how can, you know, Nazi Germany exterminate six and a half million
59:26
Jews? That's an age of deceit, right? You know, how can Cambodians kill, you know, the millions
59:32
that they did in the killing fields and, you know, the extermination of Russians under Stalin?
59:37
How can that happen? Well, it's an age of deceit. And if you don't think the violence
59:43
is going to follow what's happening right now, trust me, it's coming. You look at Joe Biden right
59:48
now calling us MAGA Republicans. If you're a conservative at all, you didn't vote for him,
59:52
you're a MAGA Republican. And notice that's the talking point right now. It's in all the tweets,
59:57
it's in all the press conferences, his press secretary, Terry Karine Jumpier, just doubled
1:00:01
down on it again the other day when pointed out and asked about it because they're trying to label
1:00:08
conservatives. They want to label people like me and say, well, he's one of those MAGA Republicans.
1:00:14
Well, if they can, if they can attach that label, they can categorize the classify me and put me in
1:00:19
the box and ultimately do with me what they will, what they want to do because I'm not human anymore.
1:00:25
I'm a MAGA Republican. Right. That's what they did with the Christians. I mean, in the first century,
1:00:30
you know, Christians to call someone a Christian was not necessarily a good term.
1:00:37
Yeah, it was an insult. It was an insult. It was a derogatory.
1:00:41
You know, whenever the word, I'll tell you a funny little etymology lesson here,
1:00:46
the word enthusiasm comes from the Greek in theos, which means God inside of you. The first century
1:00:55
Christians were so passionate and so excitable that they said God's in them, they're enthusiastic,
1:01:02
they're in theos. We get enthusiasm from that. It was not a complimentary term. They were saying
1:01:08
they were possessed. They were, they were almost like whirling dervishes, if you will,
1:01:12
get themselves frenzied up in their acts of worship. And so they were comparing them basically
1:01:18
to the pagan religions of the day. So, you know, they can label you and put that derogatory term
1:01:24
on you, then they can control the narrative about how the, you know, your life's going to go here,
1:01:28
you know, in the future. So we're in an age of deceit, man. And so that's why I say we've got
1:01:33
to speak the truth and love for the purpose of character change. It's going to take an iron fist
1:01:36
and it is going to take, I tell you, it's going to take some real critical thinking.
1:01:40
And when I say critical thinking, here's the way I like this. Here's, here's how I define
1:01:45
critical thinking for me. I always say, am I wrong? If I say something or I think something,
1:01:52
I start with am I wrong? And then I start to dissect what I'm thinking and feeling and saying.
1:01:57
And I go, I want to know if I'm wrong, that's it. And I want to dissect this. And when I get to
1:02:03
the conclusion of it, if I still feel convicted that this is truth and this lines up, then I'm
1:02:08
going to go forward with it. And I'm going to go forward just blazing forward with the thing.
1:02:13
Because to me, I've critically thought through the deal and it's a conviction that it's truth.
1:02:17
And I'm going to embrace it. And we've lost critical thinking. Thinking is uncomfortable.
1:02:22
That's hard work. I mean, you're an exercise guy. You told me yourself that you always want
1:02:28
to do a little more. You want to do a little more. You look back on you like, I could have done more.
1:02:31
I could have done this. And you do that in terms of the physical, you do that in terms of the mental.
1:02:36
See, that's what we've got to do with our minds. When we talk about discipleship,
1:02:41
we're talking about our mind, will, and emotions. That is your soul. When God created Adam,
1:02:45
he breathed into him breath and the cayet, the fish, and the Hebrew, he became a life soul. That
1:02:53
in the fish is your suki, your psyche in the New Testament, Greek, is that your mind, will,
1:03:00
and emotions, right? So you look at the book of Proverbs as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
1:03:05
That word heart, that's in the fish. As a man thinks in his soul, so is he. The word thinks is
1:03:16
cayet, which is the Hebrew for a gatekeeper. And so what a man opens the gate to into his soul
1:03:24
is what he becomes. So you look at certain things, you embrace certain things, you believe certain
1:03:30
things, you're exposed to certain things. As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. As a man gives
1:03:35
access to his soul is what he becomes. That's mind, will, and emotions. If we're not discipling
1:03:40
those three things, your mind, your volition, your ability to make a choice and your emotions,
1:03:46
if you're not discipling those three things, go on social media and look how wild the emotions are.
1:03:51
Everything is in their fields, man, because we're not critically thinking. We don't have that
1:03:56
anymore. So those are the things that I encourage the people that I have influence over. That's the
1:04:01
stuff you got to get control of. I mean, we talk about all the time on the show cultivating
1:04:05
spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. And part of that entire things, what you're talking
1:04:08
about is this intellectual honesty. And it's just, you know, put your pride down for a second. You
1:04:14
said the wrong thing. You thought it was true. It wasn't just correct the record. It's really not
1:04:18
that ideal. Like this idea that, okay, doubling down somehow makes you more virtuous. No, it makes
1:04:23
you twice as stupid. So dude, there's so many more things that we could get into here. But
1:04:27
I know you got to go to the studio and make some things happen today. We will certainly have you
1:04:31
back on to talk about political stuff and the fact that you ran for governor Texas and all that
1:04:35
other than that. But you don't save that. We'll save that for the audience down the row. But that's
1:04:39
all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? No, brother, I appreciate you.
1:04:42
And hey, if folks want to, I don't always preach it, people, if they want to come have some fun
1:04:46
with some laughs and some music and and some good stuff, check out my schedule at watch chat.com.
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And of course, folks can subscribe to the Chad Prather show on Blase TV or get it at Chad Prather
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on YouTube. All right, guys, that is all in the show notes. Chad Prather, thank you for coming on
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