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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right guys, today we've got a special guest on the podcast.
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His name is Chad O Jackson.
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So he is a professional craftsman and business owner in Dallas, Texas.
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And also he is a featured cast member of the documentary,
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Uncle Tom, and the recently released sequel, Uncle Tom 2.
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And I believe he was a co-producer on Uncle Tom 2.
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So I'm going to read the description of the film.
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We had Justin Malone on, so he was the director of the film.
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And now we've got Chad O Jackson, who's one of the featured people from the film.
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But let me read the description of the film back to you.
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Uncle Tom 2 is an odyssey depicting the gradual demoralization of America
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through Marxist infiltration of its institutions.
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The film explores how this deceptive ideology has torn apart the fabric of society
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while using Black America as its number one tool for its destruction.
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From executive producer Larry Elder and director Justin Malone,
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comes a continuation of their highly acclaimed film, Uncle Tom from 2020.
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Uncle Tom 2 will take the audience deeper into Black America's often eradicated
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history of honorable men, entrepreneurship, prosperity, faith, and patriotism.
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To its current perceived state of anger,
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discontent, discontent, and victimhood. Uncle Tom 2 unveils the Marxist strategy
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of creating false racial tension between Americans with its ultimate goal of obtaining power,
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destroying capitalism, and replacing God with government.
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So again, as I talked about on the previous episode,
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I went to the world premiere of this in Dallas on August the 26th.
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So one of the very first people that I met when I went there was Chad O Jackson.
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I told you guys before I was I was doing an interview down there,
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but then I went to the theater early walked in there.
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And at the coffee shop was, you know, Colonel Allen West and Brandon Tatum and Jesse Lee Peterson.
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And then about 10 minutes later, Chad O Jackson walks through.
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So I got to speak with him a little bit, you know, he was very cordial, very nice and polite,
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and just such a smart guy, such an impressive guy to be a businessman,
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but also be to be so well read on all these different subject matters.
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And again, shout out to Michelle over there and uncle Tom.
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She kind of got me over there and got me scheduled up with everybody to show up
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and just the timing worked out well where I got to interact with a lot of those folks for a lot of time.
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But in today's interview, you're going to hear a lot of the same questions that I gave to Justin,
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some of the same setups, but it's interesting to get it from Chad's perspective because he wasn't
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the one that started this project. He wasn't there at the very beginning. He was just reached out to
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and kind of became a part of the project. So we're going to talk about, you know, kind of what got
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him into it, how he was able to get to the project. But then we're going to get some perspectives
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from him about, okay, why bring in the Christian Judeo Christian ethic aspect of this film, which
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wasn't too terribly apparent in the first film, you know, when we get into some of the additions
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like Vodie Bakam being in this one, kind of what that looked like, but also just the overall concept
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of blackness, right? So capital B blackness, what that means in current culture and how that ideology
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is pervasive in black communities. We even talk a little bit about the reason why people say things
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like black community or Asian community or gay community, that that's coming straight out of a
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Marxist playbook. And so we get into that, we talk a little bit about that. We talk about a guy that
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you should know named Eric Mann, we talk about setting the record straight on the Tulsa race
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riots, which have now been rebranded the Tulsa race massacre. We also spend some time talking
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about manhood, talking about the church, and you know, talking about education and how our kids
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are being indoctrinated if they're in the public government schools and all these different things.
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And then we had a very good discussion about what the future of the Uncle Tom franchise is going to
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look like. So you're not going to want to miss that. But before we get there, I want to remind you
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Guys, you will not want to miss this. It's going to be great value to you. Now, guys,
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I'm not going to keep Chateau Jackson from you any longer. So without further ado,
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let's get into it. Chateau Jackson. Welcome to a Daunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Hey, man, thank you for having me. Now, no one else heard this because I wasn't recording yet,
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but you just gave me one of my favorite things as a podcast or you told me off air, you said,
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yeah, we can go as long as you want. So hopefully you're okay with that because you just signed up
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for a lot of follow-up questions. But we do need to get a little bit of an introduction on you
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because I just did an intro about you. But I always like to hear from the horse's mouth.
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Give us an idea of kind of what you do professionally because if people were to watch the film,
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obviously they could see that you like to work with your hands and in your business owner.
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But here you are in two different films and we'll spend a lot of time getting into those films.
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But I guess what do you do now that you're all grown up?
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Well, I mean, so I guess to start, when I was in high school, I took a really big interest in film
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where I lived in Mansfield. We had a career school. It was kind of like where high schoolers went
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for electives. And one of those classes that you could take is media technology. And so
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I got interested in film. I wanted to do it. And whenever we graduated high school,
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I just didn't have the money to go to college. And so what I did was I went
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into the plumbing trade. And I started off as an apprentice. I was able to become a journeyman
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plumber over time. And then ultimately I became a master plumber. So I mastered the trade.
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So I'm a master craftsman. Yeah. So around about the age of 25 or 26, I decided to start my own
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plumbing company. And around about way, just him alone, who's a filmmaker here in Dallas,
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learned about me. He learned I was involved in Dallas, the Dallas Republican Party at the time.
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And he told me one day, like, I'm making this movie about black conservatives. I'm
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wondering if you're interested. And at the time, I didn't know who he was or what this was really
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about for all I knew could have been this kind of exploitation type situation. So I kind of put
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it all for about a week or two. And then finally I called him back and was like, yeah, I'll sit down
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for your interview. So that was kind of my introduction into the film industry. And so
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to answer your question, I'm really a jack of all trades. I'm a natural researcher. It's something
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interests me. I want to hit the books. I'm going to I'm going to obsess over that thing
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and look into it. And so it was just a natural fit for the making of Uncle Tom to where most of my
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contribution to the film was researching. So yeah, that's a brief, brief introduction of who I am.
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When he even in the cover, I still have my mind in the plastic because I want to keep it. There's
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you on the cover. And so you got all the books and all the research above. And then below, it shows
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that you actually get after you got mud covered shoes and jeans and whatnot. But let's talk a
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little bit about Uncle Tom one and we'll spend most of our time today talking about the sequel.
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But you mentioned Justin approached you that he was doing this that you were a little bit hesitant.
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Maybe it was exploitative. But when did you kind of feel like like when did you really know that,
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hey, this is not only going to be a valuable project, but this is something that I want to do
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because the interesting thing about you is like you're you can be interested in film and never
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want to be in a film, right? Like have no desire to be in front of the camera. And then you have
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the other side of the spectrum where you have people that desperately want to be the feature of
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the film and want to be on camera and all that. So you're certainly not on that side. But I mean,
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you could have fell a lot of places along the way as like, hey, maybe I'll just help him with
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research or maybe I'll just support him when it comes out by buying a ticket. But you went full
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in and you were basically the main cast member of the first film and into the second film. So walk
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me through that. Yeah, and I didn't even know I was going to be like the main character, if you will,
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of the film until maybe a month or two before it came out. Whenever it was actually writer
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Ansel who is a huge player and both part one and part two. Like myself, he's a natural
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researcher. We're a lot alike than we are different other than skin pigmentation. But yeah, so they
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reached out to me. I finally agreed to sit down for an interview. Justin and Ryder, they came to
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my shop there in Dallas, Texas. We sat down for the interview. The interview was really, it went
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really well. It was natural. I was comfortable. The questions that they were asking were really good
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questions. At that time, there was a lot that I did research and was applying to my own life.
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And so I was just able to kind of give these answers that were really organic and really natural.
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They went away. Apparently while they were gone, I wasn't really thinking about it. I was just
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thinking about the work that was in front of me. In that space of time between when they interviewed
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me first and when the movie came out, I was able to significantly grow my company because that's
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where my focus was. I wasn't really thinking about being in a movie or anything like that because
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I wasn't sure what would come of it. But apparently they were able to meet Larry Elder and score all
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these other interviews and all these different things to where by the time they circled back to me,
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it was this project that expanded quite significantly. And I was like, wow, I'm a part of that. I didn't
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know to what extent I was a part of it because at that time, I still didn't see the movie whenever
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they circled back to me. But they said, look, we just want to do a follow-up interview. We want to
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follow you around with a camera on some of your job site, so on and so forth. And so yeah, by the
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time it came out, I was just blown away by what I saw. Uncle Tom, in my opinion, is easily
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top five documentaries of all time, the first one. But even though I can say that and believe it,
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not just because I'm in it, I still think it's very milk toast compared to what part two is. Part
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two is a deeper, smarter, braver film. And there's no sacred cows in part two. And that's what I
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wanted to bring to the table as somebody who was working behind the scenes for this one. I didn't
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want to say the same things that everybody says, both on the right and the left. I wanted to take
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the audience deeper. And so that's that's really what my heart was and inside of this project.
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Well, I think for me, that's why I was maybe more attracted to the second film because I saw the
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first film a couple of years ago when it came out. And then the second film, I'm more attracted to
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the things that are a little bit more extreme and just kind of goes with my personality. And yes,
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you were part of a cadre of an amazing cast on the first film. So again, you mentioned Larry Elder,
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but then Brandon Tatum, Colonel Allen West, Herman Cain, Candace Owens, Robert Woodson,
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Carol Swain, Jesse Lee Peterson, and there were others. And a lot of those people were on board
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for the second film. But before we get into the second film, Chad, I want to go back to
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something that is probably going to be breaking news to you. You can't just start a business
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and be successful in America as a black man. I don't know if you knew that or not, but
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you did something. I don't know if the FBI just thought you had a really white sounding name,
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you know, Chad Jackson or something like that. Because like, again, I've been told by very
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reliable sources that that's not possible. Can you help me understand how that happened?
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Yeah, it's definitely a mentality. I didn't know that either. It's funny that you mentioned that
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because through my research for Uncle Tom, too, there was this book that I read by a man named Carter
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G. Woodson. He wrote it in 1933. It's called The Miss Education of the Negro. And he acknowledges
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then, and this was a black man writing it, by the way, he acknowledges then that the upper echelon
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of Negroes who are going to college at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and other prestigious colleges,
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they are being educated by individuals who have not spent an hour or a second in business.
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And what they're being told, what these upper echelon of Negroes are being told,
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is that it's impossible for the Negro to twill upward in America. And Carter G. Woodson says that
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these students are being, they're flooding the ranks of what is commonly known as communists.
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So he says that they're learning communism at these Ivy League schools. And he says something
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that I think is very important. He says that they are being told that it's impossible to start a
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business if you're a black man in America, but the Negroes in the south, the uneducated Negroes in
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the south, are actually at work doing the thing that these upper echelon of Negroes are being told
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is impossible. And for me, it's like, it just makes so much sense because it's like, how is it that
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you're believing what your professors are saying? When your father and grandfather
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defies exactly what your professors are saying. Otherwise, you wouldn't even be at that college
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in the first place, right? So there is this kind of elitism where you believe that, oh, yes, my dad
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did start his business and that's why I get to go to Princeton. However, my dad has what it takes
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whereas these other, you know, former slaves don't have what it takes. And that's why I get to go
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here. And that's why they don't get to go here. So you kind of feel as though you're kind of a deity
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or you're a god. And that's why we get to go to these colleges and you don't. But if you accept me
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as your leader, if you adopt me as your leader, I can make life easier for everybody. And that's
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where the socialism communism piece come into play. It gets very complex and deep. But yeah, to your
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point or to your question about, you know, this idea of if you're black, you can't start a business.
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That's defied by black people every day. But ironically, many of those black people who are starting
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businesses, they too believe that it's difficult to start a business in America if you're black.
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And they believe that they are the exception to the rule. And so that kind of speaks to the
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complexity and how deep this indoctrination goes.
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Well, I don't want to go too deep because I've got some hopefully some good questions later that
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will dig way farther into that because, you know, I talked to, I talked to Justin before, I talked
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to you. And he, you know, he kept telling me he's like, you wanted to go even deeper with the film
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and go even more extreme. And you know, that would have been very attractive to a guy like me,
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that is attracted to those things. But let's let's start easy with with Uncle Tom, too. So you're
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doing a sequel. And I want you to kind of go into what that documentary covers. But the very first
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lines of the film are spoken by you. And I want to read your quote from the very beginning here.
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My hope is that this will help to break the spell, the spell that so many people are under
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that keeps them angry, makes them bitter, blinds them from the truth. But realize that they are
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being deceived. And they've been lied to that we've all been lied to our entire life. My hope is that
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people will begin to wake up. So obviously, that is kind of the the battle cry for this film. So I
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guess the question is wake up from what? Wake up from your stupor, really, a stupor that you have
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that that not only black folks, but Americans at large, if you're born between, I would say 1968
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and today, there's a deliberate intention to keep Americans dumb to dumb us down and to keep us
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dumb. And you get it from all over the place. It's a very inundative thing that that's going on.
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You get it from the education system, from primary to secondary education. You get it in the music
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you listen to, you get it in the movies you watch, you get it in the news that you watch. It's very
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it's very inundative in that way. And there's policy constantly being pushed to justify and to
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create this new normal, this new matrix that keeps everybody in this in this fog. I mean, you had the
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the passage of Martin Luther King day under the Reagan administration. Again, this is this stuff
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is deep. Just I think last week you had the house of representative pass the slavery remembrance day.
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So there's there's this constant reinforcement and re-upping of this ideology. And so how do you
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break that spell? How do you how do you deconstruct 60 years of perpetual and consistent
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codification of lies and mistruths and revisionist history? And the point is, you know, Stalin said
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it best. He said, if I can still your history, I can take your country. And so it's important
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with films like what we're doing with podcasts like yours and all of the other things that alpha
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males are doing across the country. It's important to really take back the narrative and go on the
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offense because if we don't, then these people who want to destroy this country and destroy Christianity
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and destroy everything good, destroy masculinity, these people will continue to put their junk out
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there. And that junk, like if you have a a cynical view of the patriarchy, if you have a cynical
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view of America, if you have a cynical view of all things good, then you will be more and more
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susceptible to socialism, to communism, to Marxism, to all these things that will that is continue to
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deteriorate or perpetually deteriorating our country. Sorry, I go on these long runs, but no,
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no, that that's perfect because you're landing on a lot of stuff that I want to go into because
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a lot of conservatives and a lot of Christians and a lot of Christian conservatives, they're
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so nice Chad. They just, they'll let you push on them and they'll let you push and push and push
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until they their backs against the wall and then they'll push back just a little bit and say,
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don't do that. You don't want to see me if I get angry and all those types of things. And they're
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not willing to fight. And I say this all the time on my show, so I'm sure my audience is getting
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tired of it. But a lot of Christians and conservatives are going to wake up one day. The war will be
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over and they will have never put on their, their, you know, helmet, their their breastplate. They
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would have never grabbed their sword. They would have never gotten into the fight because they
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never can't quite find that hill that's worth dying on. They never can't quite find that time
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whenever they should push more chips to the center and do any of those different things.
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And a lot of it comes down to, you know, basically the an undergirding theme of the entire film,
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which is whether or not we're going to worship at the altar of man or worship at the altar of God,
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because there are some notable additions to cast to or part two of this film to the cast. And that's
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Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker. They both been on the podcast before. They're fantastic.
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And then the one and only like literally of all the people on the planet, my favorite
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person to listen to, talk about the gospel. And that is Vodie Bockham, just an absolute
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lion of a man. But the thing that I want to ask you about is this film, it's not a Christian film
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per se, but it has overtly Christian and gospel based rhetoric and ideologies all throughout the
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film. And this film is doing what many conservative projects won't seem to do. And that is to be
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explicitly spiritual, not like woo woo spiritual, but you know, Judeo Christian spiritual and to not
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hide behind the vagaries of morality. And you know, we're, but you're going to specifically discuss
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Christian morality and the gospel. So I guess why do that? Like why add, you know, Daryl and Virgil
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and Vodie to this film, because obviously they were welcome for a guy like me. But couldn't you
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have just stayed on the conservative political sidelines and maybe snuck in a word or two about
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God, but don't talk about Jesus, because that's starting to get real specific. You know, why go
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full bore into that? I mean, you can't Trojan horse Jesus. You know what I mean? Like we can't be a
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shame to say the name. You know, we have to, we have to be bold. And we have to stand on that
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foundation unapologetically and whatever walk of life we find ourselves. And the thing is a lot of
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Christians, because we do live in a full fledged, postmodern age. We feel that like the thing is,
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like we've been, it's been beaten over our head time and again, that, you know, you don't want to,
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you don't want to start with religion, you don't want to talk about religion, you want to kind of
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like ease Jesus in. I was just talking to a guy the other day who wants to be a musician. And he said,
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well, my goal is to become very popular in the music scene. And then when I get these interviews,
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I'm going to do a Kanye kind of thing where I talk about my faith unapologetically. And, you know,
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a lot of Christians believe that. And so the reason to answer your question, we were bold,
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is because you have to acknowledge that, you know, the obvious to elephant in the room,
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so far as we see it, that when you look at black America, in particular,
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it thrived. And it was at its best and brightest when it was unapologetically and overwhelmingly
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Christian. Whenever you remove that, whenever you remove that cultural undergird, I would say,
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it wasn't so much removed as much as it was co-opted and subverted. Whenever you subvert it,
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and you in a sense begin to kind of insert bad ideology and bad theology, what ended up happening
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specifically to the black community is you saw this demoralization take place, and you saw this
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rapid decline in the family and black entrepreneurship, so on and so forth from the 60s to today. And so,
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again, you have to acknowledge what was the cultural undergird during the incline,
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and what was the cultural undergird during the decline, and the facts are obvious.
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Well, you get into that in the film, and I got to say, perhaps the most memorable part for me in
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the entire film was what happened right before the title screen. And so that was where Vodie Bockam,
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well, I'll just read the quote here. He said this right before the title screen. Images are powerful.
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You look on churches, powerful images of saints and figures from the Bible,
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and the goal to communicate the meta narrative of Scripture, who we are, why we're here,
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what's wrong with the world, and how can what is wrong be made right? Your worldview,
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your religion answers those questions. What we're seeing today is another religion
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communicating another meta narrative and another worldview that these murals are the stained glass
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windows of this new religion. So what Vodie is referring to there, Chad, obviously, you know,
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this but is these murals that we see in a lot of these black communities, murals of George Floyd,
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or of Breonna Taylor, or of Michael Brown, or of their favorite rapper who, you know,
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used to or is currently still selling drugs or their favorite rapper, you know, Cardi B was
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mentioned in the film by Brandon Tatum. Mike, she literally was a prostitute that used to drugmen
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and still their, their money and jewelry. And we have girls in our culture that are looking up
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to these, these people that are not even close to being paragons of virtue. These aren't even
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moral people. These aren't people that are looking back on their past life and saying,
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yeah, I should have never done that. I, you know, I've distanced myself from that lifestyle.
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No, they're singing songs about it. They're selling records. So talk to me a little bit about that
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because, man, that's probably one of the most sticky things except for the very end of the film,
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which, you know, we'll get to, that's one of the most sticky things about the second one was the
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stained glass windows because these stained glass windows, these are mosaics, these beautiful,
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you know, colorful mosaics of these scriptural truths. But then in these black communities,
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it's we're putting people on pedestals that should have never been there to begin with.
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No, you're absolutely right. And, and I'm glad that part stuck out to you.
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So Vodie, Vodie's monologue in that point is actually a response to a question that I asked
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well, more of a story and then a question. So we went to Baltimore to shoot some of the footage
25:21
for Uncle Tom too. The footage didn't actually end up making it. Maybe it will make an appearance
25:26
someplace else. But I remember just walking through Baltimore. And one of the things that I noticed
25:31
and this, this trash infected city, or this part of the city that we were at at least,
25:36
is that everywhere you look, you saw these beautifully painted murals of folks like Michael
25:42
Brown and George Floyd and all these different people. And you saw these, you saw these acronyms
25:52
like ACAB, which stands where all cops are [inaudible]. You saw, you know, sayings like we need a revolution,
26:00
you know, we need to overthrow the system and all these different murals painting these things.
26:06
And so, or, or, you know, presenting, you know, this kind of ideology, I should say.
26:11
And I remember thinking to myself, because I saw a lot of kids, you know, hanging out in the street
26:15
corners and playing and doing all these things. And I remember thinking to myself, I can't imagine
26:20
what it's like being a 12 year old black boy growing up in this environment. Because everywhere
26:26
you look, when you see a mural, it's a constant reminder that it's us versus them. It's me,
26:32
a black person versus the cops. It's me, a black person versus America. It's me, a black person
26:39
versus capitalism in the system. That's the image that's embedded in your head from an early age,
26:46
when you grow up in places like this. So every time you see that mural, it's a reminder of who you
26:51
are. And I asked Vodie, you know, what, what is this? And he said, it's kind of like the stained glass
26:57
windows in a church. And, and, and the answer that he gave, he just nailed it. And that's obviously
27:03
why it made it at the, at the front of the film. But yes, it's a blackness have become a religion.
27:12
It has. After Marlitha King died, that's when James Cone wrote the book about, you know,
27:18
black liberation theology. Blackness has become a religion. And they are using the church
27:26
to perpetuate this idea of blackness over God. There was a, a woman, I forget her name, a black
27:33
woman, she's a Republican. She was being interviewed on the view. And it was when, I forget the lady's
27:40
name, Sonny or something like that, who's a part of the view that the light skin black woman or
27:46
Puerto Rican or whatever she is, I don't know. But she's, she's the one who said, you know,
27:50
black conservative is oxy is an oxymoron. So a lot of people, a lot of conservatives
27:58
hopped on that video. They were, they were very distraught with Sonny for how dare you say that
28:04
there's a lot of black Republicans and black conservatives. One of the things that stuck out
28:08
to me though, that a lot of people did not catch is that the black woman who's a Republican said,
28:15
I'm a black woman before I'm a Republican. And so there's this constant need, whether you're a
28:21
Republican or a Democrat, to insert your blackness. Like you don't have to tell people you're black.
28:26
People can see that you're a black person. I don't, I don't, I don't flop this idea that I'm a black
28:31
conservative or a black Republican. You can obviously see my skin color that goes without saying,
28:36
I have conservative values and conservative values are transcendent of race. They just are.
28:45
The truth is not like nobody has a monopoly on truth. All truth is God's truth. And so
28:51
that's not exclusive to a specific ethnic group. Now liberation theology will have you believe
28:58
that it is liberation theology would have you believe that God is on the side of the, you know,
29:04
of the poor. When a reality, no, God is on the side of God. And it's whether you're rich or
29:09
whether you're poor, you know, God calls all of us to repent. And so what liberation theology
29:16
teaches us what social gospel teaches is what many black churches unfortunately teach us
29:21
is that blackness is everything. And so, and so to answer, you know, and I'll wrap it up right here,
29:27
but to answer not only this question, but a previous question that you asked about, I forget
29:35
exactly how you framed it, but basically, yeah, about the stupor. What do we need to wake up from?
29:41
We need to wake up from blackness. We need to wake up from blackness because the thing is like,
29:45
what people think of when they think of blackness is they think of black culture. But they're not
29:49
asking the question, who is the architect of so-called black culture? It's not genuine black
29:55
folks. I can tell you that. There's a, there's a much more sinister thing at play here.
30:00
Well, let's go a lot deeper into the concept of blackness overall. So part of the thing, and
30:05
you've said it already, I've probably said it already in this interview, but we talk about
30:10
the blank community. So the black community, the gay community, the whatever community,
30:15
and I've always been fairly bothered by that. It's, it's an easy tool to use, a verbal tool,
30:21
because your, your, everyone knows what you mean. But it's like, that is not a homogenous group of
30:25
people. Like they don't all think the same way or do things the same way. They don't vote the same
30:30
way. They don't eat the same way. Like, so when you talk about the black community, as if it's just
30:35
this homogenous group of people that all do things the same way, I find that to be somewhat
30:39
problematic. But I think that also goes back to this whole idea of blackness in owning your skin
30:45
color. And I always find it to be odd when someone has pride over something that they themselves
30:51
have not done. Like, imagine me having pride in the fact that I have a red beard, right? Now,
30:56
I like my beard. I like, I like how it's placed on my face and how it looks. But at the same time,
31:01
imagine me starting a group where we're going to be identified by our red chin hair, right? Like,
31:06
that seems very odd to me. But we have these people whether in, then they claim that, hey,
31:11
you're born gay or you're born trans or any of these things. And we should have pride in those
31:15
things. But let's just go deeper on the blackness side of things because it's if every group can't
31:22
do that, then it probably shouldn't be done at all. Because imagine me getting a group of people
31:26
together at my house to celebrate our whiteness or to talk about our white capital W white identity.
31:32
Obviously, that would not be accepted in any dominant culture, whether you're a part of the
31:37
hegemonic United States or any of those types of things. But just go deeper. I know you got more
31:41
to say on blackness. So go, go whatever direction you want to. No, you're absolutely right. And this
31:45
idea of this community or that community, that's all Marxian talking points. I mean, isn't it funny
31:52
how we begin as ordinary people who live in the world to adopt kind of unknowingly Marxist
32:01
talking points or Marxist concepts and ways of thinking and ways that were steeped in it?
32:05
We're marinated in it. Absolutely. We are marinated in it. And the thing is like, this is this is on
32:10
purpose. One of the people that we talk about in the film, his name is Eric Mann. He's the father
32:17
of Black Lives Matter. He's a white man. He's a Jewish white man. But he talked about in another
32:26
video that we found of him how important languages and definitions are to their cause. Because if you
32:34
can get people speaking your language, it becomes a layup for you to win in these kind of cultural
32:44
arguments that we have going on. And this is where a lot of conservatives get it wrong.
32:50
We insist on adopting their language. And we think that we can use their language to beat them.
32:59
When in reality, no. We're trying to fight in the battle in a rigged game that they have set the
33:07
rules up for. And it's kind of unfortunate because to some extent you do have to use their language.
33:13
Otherwise, the audience won't know what you're talking about. But to this idea of you have the
33:20
Black community, the Asian community, the so on community, this community, like all of that is
33:26
Marxian talking points because you need to create intersectional groups. And basically frame
33:35
those groups as being somehow oppressed or victimized by the hegemonic group or the mainstream
33:44
group. In this case, white America. And this idea of there being a white America is also
33:52
very Marxian in its origins. When you look at our founding fathers and the country that they
33:57
set forth, these were well-read men. They studied the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire. They studied
34:05
history. They studied the Bible. They knew about humanity and our inclinations. And they knew about
34:18
concepts of free market enterprise and so on and so forth. They were also coming off the back of
34:23
being genuinely oppressed and overtaxed by the British government. And so what they set forth
34:30
was a very beautiful thing. It's something that the world hasn't really experienced in terms of
34:36
having a new country whereby you're implementing these ideas that are tried and true. And so what
34:44
they were able to build in spite of its wars and bruises was a beautiful country that has created
34:50
upward mobility for all people of all ethnic backgrounds. It's a very reason why we take in
34:55
the most immigrants compared to other countries even to this very day. People understand that when
35:03
they come here, they have opportunity for upward mobility. And so the fact that even though that's
35:09
the case, you still have this insistence on identifying certain intersectional groups,
35:16
that's on purpose. And the point of that is, once again, to use that as political fodder
35:23
to get legislation passed, to keep people angry, to keep people at each other's throat,
35:27
because to the extent that you have a common thing that you believe
35:35
regardless of what your cultural background is, namely that as Americans, we have opportunities
35:43
that you just can't get anywhere else in the world. So long as you as you're more divided than you
35:48
are united, you're going to constantly be at each other's throat, you're going to always see
35:52
your neighbor as your enemy. When it's getting people to buy into this narrative of their own
35:58
inherent victimhood. But when you go, when you go beyond that, why are there so many people,
36:03
black people from African and island nations so desperate to come to this country? Like don't
36:08
they know, haven't they gotten the news that they're going to be hunted by white police officers that
36:12
are the modern day KKK, like those those types of things. But one thing you talked about, I don't
36:16
want to spend a ton of time on this, but I do find it interesting, is how people on that side of
36:20
the aisle, people that come from a little bit more of a Marxist communist, humanist point of view,
36:24
they love playing with language. So we obviously see that in the LGBTQ space, we see that especially
36:30
with the T side of that with just picking pronouns and just this nonsense of throwing out words,
36:35
as if words don't have an agreed upon meaning. We also see this in a more nefarious way with
36:40
pedophiles. We can't call them pedophiles anymore. We have to call them minor attracted persons.
36:45
And we have to call them persons because who knows what gender they're going to identify as this
36:48
minute versus last minute. But the playing of language is going all the way down to the scholastic
36:53
level, because you have these school districts that are saying, we know teach critical race theory
36:58
in the schools. Here, look at our manual on diversity, equity and inclusion, and see if you can find
37:04
the words critical race in theory next to one another. They're playing word games, because most
37:09
people aren't well read enough on these issues to where they can't just notice. Oh, that's what
37:13
you're teaching here. They're playing with language. So talk about how important that is, because if
37:18
you're going to buy into this narrative that, you know, this is white America, it's not made for
37:22
black Americans that black Americans can never get ahead. You've got to make sure you control the
37:26
language as well. Yeah. So excellent points that you just made. One of the things that they're
37:32
teaching right now is something called SEL, which is social emotional learning. Right. It sounds
37:39
so good. It sounds so I just talked about on my show recently. You got it. Right. Right. There's
37:43
another thing trauma informed learning, equitable learning. These are all buzzwords that all mean
37:52
the same thing. We want to turn your children into little Marxist advocates, or if not an
38:00
advocate, then at least somebody who is susceptible to the ideologies and the byproducts of Marxism.
38:09
And so this is what's going on in our schools. And it goes back to what I was talking about
38:14
earlier with the inundation of it, the pervasivity of this ideology starting from, you know, the cradle.
38:22
And so the way I would put it as far as, you know, just trying to put it simply is to take it back
38:29
to the scriptures, take it back to the Bible to test every spirit, because that's the thing.
38:33
That's the way the enemy works. That's the way the devil works as a way. And the thing is like a
38:38
lot of these people who are carrying out this ideology are working for Satan, whether they
38:42
realize it or not. You know what I mean? Like the Bible says, do not be taken captive by hollow
38:48
and deceptive philosophies. It says in another place that we are to test every spirit. And so we
38:55
can't be constantly, but you know, mesmerized by the dangling carrot of some acronym. You know what
39:01
I mean? We can't constantly be mesmerized by the flowery language of somebody who seems like
39:09
they're on our side. But at the same time, we've seen examples of them being double-minded in other
39:13
places, you know. And so we're, I don't want to take this too far off track, but there was a book
39:20
written by a man named Walter Lippmann, this one was written in 1922. It's called Public Opinion.
39:26
In it, he talks about the strategy one must go by if they desire to be a leader and a given society
39:38
who has the influence and the capability to shift and move that society in the way in which they
39:46
seek for it to go. And in it, he says, what you must do from the very beginning is get on a platform
39:55
and begin to use familiar language that the general public can get behind. Use symbols of
40:01
patriotism. Use religious symbols. Use, you know, assembles that people are familiar with
40:07
that people can cope with that people can get behind and be very good at conveying that those
40:14
symbols in a very attractive way. He says, once you get into the people's good graces,
40:21
once you get into their trust, you're then able to launch a campaign that the people will naturally
40:29
get behind, not because they have vetted that campaign, but because they trust you,
40:34
because they associate you with that familiar language that you use from the very beginning.
40:38
It doesn't matter that that campaign is completely antithetical to the symbols that you use in the
40:45
beginning. You must use those symbols as a premise or a primer to do what you actually want to do.
40:54
This is true of people like Martin Luther King. This is true of people like John Dewey. This is
41:00
true of the people who are now pushing a lot of these programs in our school systems and in
41:08
journalism that seem at surface level, that seem at first to be something that, you know,
41:14
we can get behind because they're using very romantic, attractive language. But if you pull back
41:18
the layers and if you do as the Bible says, which is to test the spirit, you will find that it
41:24
leads to death and not to life. And so it's incumbent upon us as Christian and as men,
41:29
like we have to be men. We have to be men. If we're not being men, if we leave our post at the gates,
41:37
where we're supposed to be on our guard and we allow our children and our wives to be mesmerized
41:44
by the dangling carrot, we will lose our country, we'll lose our society. And that's exactly where
41:49
we are now. We can't be the dog that looks at the squirrel and goes where the squirrel is going.
41:55
We have to be on our guard and we have to use. We have to love the Lord our God with all of our
41:59
mind too. And loving the Lord your God with all your mind means not being so easily duped by
42:05
these hollow and deceptive philosophies. Chad, you brought something up that literally I was reading
42:09
last night before I went to bed. I'm reading a book. It's called Okay, Christianity and Wokeness
42:15
by Owen. And I never know how to say his last name. Owen Stracham, Strachan, whatever. He wrote
42:20
something and it literally shifted something in my brain. And you kind of alluded to it there as
42:24
well. As men, we look at original sin and we look at as Adam as at the very best he was passive,
42:31
right? He kind of watched Eve as she took the buy of the apple. But it goes way deeper than that.
42:37
We were supposed to protect Eve from the apple. We were supposed to keep that from her, right?
42:43
And we abdicated that I say that we as kind of a human kind, we abdicated that responsibility.
42:49
So I don't want to go too far off the rabbit hole because I want to come back to some of the
42:52
points you're making about Marxism and communism. But talk to me a little bit about about manhood
42:57
and we'll go specifically within within the church. Because the whole reason why undaunted
43:00
life is here today is because as I was learning to become a Christian as a teenager, I was also
43:05
learning to become a man. And I saw those things as divergent. I saw those things as oil and water.
43:10
The men were outside the church doing man stuff. And the godly people were inside the church,
43:15
you know, going to prayer meetings and tucking their shirts into their khakis and like that
43:18
was kind of who they were. And there was never this overall concept of like, okay,
43:22
this is what men should do. Like, yes, testosterone is a big deal. You should use it like we want
43:27
your great gifts that God gave you. We could use them here in the church. Most modern day churches
43:32
buy any stretch of the imagination. They might as well have a blinking neon sign that says,
43:36
we didn't make this for you. We don't have a place for you, man. And the thing about men,
43:41
and you know this to be true, as if we look at a game and there's no chance of us winning,
43:45
we're not interested in playing. We will go somewhere else where we can feel needed
43:49
and wanted that could be into the arms of another woman. It could be into the garage.
43:53
It could be into this project. It can be into the golf course. It could be into the shooting range.
43:57
We will go somewhere where we can feel competent and powerful. And the modern day church is turning
44:02
away men from that concept because what they should be saying is, we need the manliest men
44:08
possible inside these walls because the manliest man of all time just so happened to be a Middle
44:12
Eastern Jew that died at the age of 33 on a Roman cross at the behest of the Jewish Sanhedrin.
44:18
And we need more men like that. So before I start going off on a rant and getting us
44:22
way out into the left field, I'm coming here. No, yeah. So Yuri Besmanov, who we talked about
44:29
in the film, who was a former KGB agent, and he talks about subversion of culture and of
44:36
societies and of countries. He says that the name of the game is demoralization.
44:43
We need to demoralize you. And he says that in the '60s, that's whenever they were able to
44:50
really push us to the moralization that was going on. We liked you today, look at the people who
44:56
were rallying against rock and roll, like the old quacks who were rallying against rock and roll
45:02
and the over-sexualization in movies and so on and so forth in the '60s as being kind of antiquated
45:10
in their way of thinking. But if you go back and listen to what a lot of these men were saying in
45:16
that time, the adult generation in the '60s, they were really onto something. They were really
45:21
sounding the alarm that was being drowned out by second wave feminism, by the civil rights movement,
45:29
by a lot of these student revolutions that were going on on college campuses, where they were
45:34
taking the ranks, or they were taking the ranks from the professors and the college
45:41
administration who were already far gone, the students were. And what does Jesus tell us about
45:47
this student being more superior to the teacher? You know what I'm saying? And so a lot of this
45:51
stuff was going on. And so what they were able to do with the gay liberation movement, with feminism,
45:57
with music, television, so on and so forth, is really kind of fast-track this demoralization that
46:03
has taken place in our culture. We talk about men, but men must be trained. They must be trained.
46:10
Right. And so when you make it cool in the '60s and the '70s for boys to rebel against their
46:16
fathers, you make it cool for them to rebel against their fathers. You're pushing things
46:21
like Mad Magazine and all these things that are making fun of the adult generation of that time,
46:26
this created a kind of trend that is persisted to this very day. Once you get to the '90s, you see
46:34
the show, like shows like, you know, married with children and so on and so forth. That kind of
46:40
depicts the father as being this couch potato, you know, being made fun of by his wife, being
46:46
disrespected by his children and so on and so forth. You get into, you know, the early 2000s with
46:52
shows like Modern Family and all these different things. And I use Entertainment because we get,
46:55
unfortunately, in the West, we glean a lot of our ideology and our way of reasoning and thinking
47:02
from entertainment. And so that's why I'm referring to these television shows. And so
47:06
we have allowed our boys to be more influenced by entertainment than by the lessons that we
47:14
ought to be teaching them. You see going all the way back to whenever God delivered the Israelites
47:23
out of the hand of Egypt, that we are to be intentional about what we teach our children,
47:29
about what we embed in the minds of our children and how we lead our children. Just because you
47:36
have a penis between your legs and your 26 doesn't mean you're a man, men must be trained. And we're
47:42
not, we're not, as the generations go, as time marches on, if you weren't trained to be a man,
47:49
if you were more influenced by culture than you are or by your father and your grandfather,
47:54
then you're going to impart what you learn to your sons and it's going to get worse and worse
47:59
and worse and worse. Being a man and teaching manhood is an intentional thing that must go on in the
48:06
home and you have to ever be vigilant. You have to be ever vigilant against letting your children
48:14
be enticed and be influenced and be indoctrinated by the culture. This is the reason why we made a
48:21
conscious decision in my house to homeschool because in the same way that I want for my boys
48:26
to be masculine men, I want for my girls to be feminine women, to be a helpmate to whoever they
48:37
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48:43
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49:21
Yeah, I've told people a lot. It's like vetted Christian school. And I do mean vetted or homeschool.
49:27
Like those tend to be the only options and everyone likes to kind of whistle past the graveyard and
49:30
say, I wasn't so bad. I grew up in public school. And it's like, were you talking about your gender
49:35
on your first day of class? Because I was worried about having to change my color. And I don't mean
49:39
my skin color. You know, the little color thing on the, you know, on the wall. Like if you did
49:42
something bad, you had to change your color. And then if you did another thing bad, you had to change
49:45
the color. I was always on red, by the way. Oh, dude, like my mom's first question to me when she
49:49
picked me up is what was your color today? And she knew I could hide. I was like, ah, yeah, I was
49:54
red. You know, it was almost black. I almost got sent to the principal's office. But we avoided
49:58
that. But I do want to kind of come back to a point and then we'll get back into the film because I
50:02
want to make sure we spend as much time talking about Uncle Tom to as possible. You talked about
50:05
something and I'll just elucidate it further. There's no rights of passage anymore. We don't
50:10
have that in a modern American culture. There are certain sects of certain religions that get into
50:14
rights of passage where it's like, Hey, you're a man now. Now, some of those things are just
50:18
physical, right? Hey, we're going to put your hand in a glove full of, you know, bullet ants,
50:22
or we're going to make you, you know, do some sort of crazy, physical thing, make you go out
50:26
into the wilderness and kill a lion and bring their skull back or whatever. But it's learning
50:30
those lessons of what manhood is along the way that most boys don't get. So as someone like
50:35
Jordan Peterson would say is they are self identifying or they're self actualizing as a man, right? So
50:41
they get to choose. First time I have sex, first time I got a job, first time I paid for my own
50:45
vehicle when I moved away to college, they get to pick. But when you pick your own manhood date,
50:51
when you pick your own date that you became a manhood, became a man rather, you don't have
50:55
anybody that's been speaking into you because people that are speaking into you are going to tell you,
50:59
Hey, here are the things that you're awesome out. Here's how you're wired and here's how you're
51:03
going to be able to do things easily in these areas. But also, here's some potential pitfalls.
51:07
Here's some areas that you're really going to struggle with that you're going to have to make
51:10
sure you mature into. And a lot of it is teaching young boys how to be meek. And in our modern parlance,
51:16
we think of meek as this weakness, this kind of navel gazing slump shoulder idea. But meekness,
51:21
we know when you talk about a war horse to meek a war horse, you are making it to where they can
51:26
use the totality of their power, but how it can be under the control of the rider of the person
51:32
riding that horse. The same thing is true. Like when you talk about Jesus meek and mild,
51:37
the meekness of Jesus was that he had tremendous amounts of power under the scaffolding of the
51:43
father and would only use it when the father would allow such things. So I'm gonna get off my high
51:48
horse and get off of my sermon, because I'm going to get back into something that you talked about
51:52
several times already in the interview is the susceptibility of humans to these ideas of utopia,
51:58
right? Whether that's the dictates of a Karl Marx or, you know, the ideologies of communism
52:03
or secular humanism or any of those types of things. We want the creation without the creator.
52:09
We're so desperate to have these things. Why is that so enticing for us? Why would people much
52:15
rather spend themselves into all these different mental hoops to talk about the multiverse and
52:20
talk about, you know, Big Bang and how we used to be goo and then we became fish and then we became
52:24
chimps and now we're us. Like, why would they go through all those mental gymnastics as opposed to
52:29
just acknowledging the father? Yeah. I mean, there's nothing new under the sun, right? I mean,
52:34
we saw the same thing in Genesis with the Tower of Babel. We wanted to build this great utopia
52:40
and we wanted to make ourselves kind of the point. You know, we wanted to make ourselves
52:45
the focus and we wanted to build the city that paid homage to us apart from God.
52:53
And so we've been trying that ever since. And Karl Marx's communist manifesto, he was able to
53:02
articulate it in a way that the intellectual class was able to get behind. It made its way into
53:08
America. It was taught in our Ivy League schools. These people were able to be indoctrinated and
53:14
educated with this ideology and they were able to, from there, disperse themselves into the culture
53:21
and field of journalism and field of entertainment and field of corporate America and fields of
53:26
education and fields of, you know, you name it. And so they're able to, in a sense, gradually shift
53:30
the cultural undergird and to bring in this kind of postmodern reality that we all live in where
53:40
men are scared to be men, Christians are scared to be Christian, women are scared to be women,
53:44
so on and so forth. And so yes, the thing is, as Christians, we have really found the jewel or
53:56
the pearl in the field. And we long for the day where we can be in paradise with our God. We long
54:03
for that. And we have to understand that we are to be in the world but not of it. And because many
54:12
of us haven't figured that out and we see suffering on a day-to-day basis and you are constantly
54:18
being bombarded with politicians and with the influencers who are carrying the water for politicians
54:25
and for, and the politicians who are carrying the water for the global elites, they are painting
54:32
this picture and they spend a lot of time and money in painting this picture that tells you as an
54:39
ordinary person that they can build heaven on earth. They don't call it heaven on earth but they're
54:44
telling you about the manifestations of what will happen if you go their way. If you allow us to
54:52
take the reins of the climate, you know what I mean? Don't you want clean energy? Don't you want
55:00
electric cars? Don't you want people to not have to be displaced due to flooding and so on and so
55:06
forth? Go our way and we'll give that to you. We tell you on the one hand that you need to go to
55:12
college because you can't be successful unless you go to college. We don't tell you that it's
55:18
important to be intentional and be critical about how does college actually act as a thing that I
55:26
can utilize for success? Will the job that I land, first of all, is there a job guaranteed for me
55:33
after I get this degree and will this job earn me enough money to pay back what I spent on college?
55:44
Like we're not asking those questions. We're not thinking critically. We're just saying no,
55:47
go to college. Take whatever degree you want and then we say on the back end of that,
55:52
the government will pay for your student loans and all these different things.
55:55
And so all the things that we're pushing, we're trying to get you addicted to government. We're
56:01
trying to make you think that government is God and this is what are the things that we talk about
56:06
in Uncle Tom II. Barack Obama is a huge crusader for this ideology, for this mentality.
56:14
This goes back to the early 90s and a lot of us just missed it. Just went over our heads. Of course
56:19
it wasn't popular then as he is now. But when you look at Barack Obama, just to give you an example
56:26
that people might be familiar with in 2012 when he was running against Mitt Romney who is in a
56:31
abysmal candidate in the first place. I mean, I didn't really have a dog in that race one way or
56:36
the other. But when you look at, and that's just my opinion, it's not the opinion of my opinion,
56:42
all these are my opinions. So when you look at the 2012 campaign, Barack Obama, his team put out
56:51
this ad on social media. It was a bunch of slides. And they called it the life of Julia. And each
56:59
slide was represented at a different age of this fictional character, Julia, at age three. Julia,
57:06
under the Barack Obama administration, was able to go to Head Start, which is a government program.
57:11
And at age six, she was helped in this way by a government program. In age 12, she was helping
57:17
this way by a government program. And so from cradle literally to grave, these slides demonstrate
57:23
how a government program assisted her every step of the way. And to me, that's a very cringy thing
57:32
because it's like, like you're saying in these ads that this person's success, this person's
57:42
livelihood and their dignity is wrapped up and what the government can do for you. And what the
57:49
state can do for you. Just a few months ago, Barack Obama, who has a film company, apparently,
57:57
who has some kind of stake in Netflix, released a documentary called the G word. Actually, it's a
58:06
series of documentaries called the G word, the G standing for government. And the whole point
58:10
of this documentary is on Netflix. Anybody can watch it is to talk about how great the government
58:16
is and how we need the government and how the government is is important every aspect of life
58:22
and how we need to expand government programs. This is a gradual means of building a utopia.
58:27
And they're not going to come out and tell you what their intentions are. They're going to slow
58:32
play it. They're going to use, as I said earlier, familiar sounding language. They're going to use
58:38
the dangling carrot to constantly make you think that utopia can be accomplished by men.
58:45
And a lot of Christians are vulnerable to this because we lack understanding. My people suffer
58:52
for lack of knowledge. We lack knowledge. We're not writing these things on our doorposts. We're
58:57
not teaching them to our children. We're not praying about them. We're not being intentional
59:01
about our faith. We think that because we grew up in a Christian home that we're Christians and
59:05
we're good. We're squared away with God. We don't need to think about it anymore. But no,
59:09
we have to be intentional because it's not about creating a Christian national estate
59:17
that's awaiting us in paradise. God already created that. The idea is that we have changed
59:27
hearts. Only the Holy Spirit, only God can change our hearts and cause us and compel us to live
59:33
for him and not be constantly tricked and moved to and fro by whatever ideology
59:41
is hot in a given day. Chad, let's talk about Christian nationalism because you said it.
59:46
I didn't. So now we get to talk about it more. So here's the interesting thing. And this came up
59:50
again with the student loan debate and whether or not we should pay it off whether Christians
59:54
should support it or not support it and all that. And you have Christians and non-Christians alike
59:58
comparing this to the year of Jubilee and comparing it to the actual payment of sin,
1:00:03
the atonement for sin on the cross by Christ in his blood. Just an astonishing thing. But the
1:00:08
thing I find interesting. So let's try to nail down into this. I would be accused of Christian
1:00:14
nationalism. If I say anything to do with scripture in terms of how I would argue against abortion,
1:00:20
right? If I were to say something along the lines of every human being, even the ones in the womb
1:00:25
have the amago day, the image of God written on them. And they're worthy of our protection. It's like,
1:00:29
Oh, Christian nationalists, this guy, we got to get him out of here. He's this Christian zealot.
1:00:34
And a lot of Christians have bought into that. And so they only want to argue against abortion
1:00:38
by using scientific means, which God's in control of science as well. So yeah, eat your heart out,
1:00:43
like, you know, if you're going to be secular about it. But talk about this whole idea that the
1:00:48
moment you bring scripture into your political argument, you become a Christian nationalist,
1:00:52
because again, I'm hearing non Christians, non believers this week, preaching scripture
1:00:57
ish at me about why I should support the forgiveness of these student loans, or else I'm not loving
1:01:02
people. Yeah, they're they're what they're doing. And I would say is blasphemy. Some Christians might
1:01:09
not agree with that. And that's that's fine. But it's like, you know, I would say that's that's
1:01:14
blasphemy. This whole idea of not relying on your faith or the scriptures to inform your opinions
1:01:22
of how you engage in a public square or in, you know, conversations having to do with civics
1:01:28
is is completely an early asinine to me. Because the thing is like everybody else allows their
1:01:36
ideology and their religion to inform their opinions. And so why is it that Christians are
1:01:41
the only people who are told that it's wrong to do that and to the extent that they do do that,
1:01:48
others so called Christians come along and try to berate them for it. I genuinely, I mean,
1:01:54
again, I'm going to speak for myself. I genuinely question the authenticity of somebody who would
1:02:00
do that. Because the thing is, and the reason I do is because again, doing the research for Uncle
1:02:06
Tom, too, and delving into the tactics that communists have used, they legitimately had
1:02:13
individuals who were atheist, who were deeply communist, who understood scripture, who understood
1:02:21
the Bible, and who went to seminary and became pastors, knowing all along that they weren't
1:02:27
believers, but were using that post to shift the ideology of the church. This is a very real thing.
1:02:37
We don't believe that that's we think it's inconceivable that something like that can happen. We think
1:02:42
it's unfathomable that something like that can happen. But it's a very real thing that has taken
1:02:47
place. And we have a documentation to prove it. And so I'm always skeptical of somebody who is
1:02:54
willing to twist scripture to push some kind of Marxian ideology or Marxian beliefs. I'm not going
1:03:01
to come out and call them a communist, but the fact of the matter is let God be true and let
1:03:08
men be alive. And the thing is, there's another point that I wanted to make that goes back to
1:03:15
what you were saying. I forget what it was. But yeah, this whole idea of you ought to be
1:03:26
quiet when it comes to, or you ought to not use your faith or use Christianity or use scripture to
1:03:33
support your point. It's sad to me that a lot of so-called Christians believe that. I just don't
1:03:41
know what else to say about that. No, that makes a lot of sense. And you're making a lot of points
1:03:45
that really lean to some of the other themes inside of Uncle Tom, too. And you mentioned
1:03:50
documentation there, like, do you have the goods, right? Do you have the actual documentation for
1:03:55
why you're believing in a certain way? But a lot of it goes back to whether or not this can be
1:03:59
grounded in truth. And that's why one of the most compelling things about the second film was when
1:04:04
you talked about the Tulsa race rights, which have now been renamed and rebranded as the Tulsa race
1:04:09
massacre. And, you know, I grew up in Oklahoma, right? And so this is kind of a close to home thing
1:04:13
for me. But I didn't really grow up knowing too much about it. I don't remember us being taught
1:04:17
in schools. But if we did know anything about it, it was, hey, there was this group of white people
1:04:21
that were super racist and they super hated black people that had any level of success. And so they
1:04:25
did everything they can to just stomp that out. And then from there forward, black people specifically
1:04:31
in Tulsa, but even in the greater Midwest, Southwest area couldn't be successful because of what these
1:04:36
evil white men did back in 1921. But as with most things, when you start peeling the layers of the
1:04:42
onion back, it gets way more complicated than that. And so thinking about the documentation,
1:04:47
in the film, you show this guy that was inadvertently showing the resilience of the black community,
1:04:54
as it were in the Tulsa area in the early 20s, because within years of the race riots,
1:05:00
that whole area of Tulsa was built back. And so that causes you to think, well, wait a minute,
1:05:06
I was told that that was like the point where black people were going to be held down forever,
1:05:12
right? So they would never be able to get past this point because their entire lives have been
1:05:16
stamped out. And so again, guys, we can't go into everything that's going to be in the documentary,
1:05:20
because you guys have to go check it out for yourselves. It will be in the show notes by the
1:05:24
DVD stream it do both give one to a friend. I don't give a crap. But let's talk a little bit about
1:05:29
the Tulsa race riots. One, why did y'all decide to put that in the second film? Where did you see
1:05:34
the fit there? But then specifically, give us maybe a spark notes version of what maybe it really
1:05:40
went down in the aftermath of the riots. Yeah, for sure. And of course, I wanted to go deeper
1:05:45
on that story. But that could have been its own, you know, 20 part documentary. So it's like you
1:05:50
can only talk about it so much. Yeah. And of course, I'm not a filmmaker. Justin is. And so I think
1:05:56
Justin made the right call, because you can only talk about so much in, you know,
1:06:02
two hours. And so, yeah, when it comes to the Tulsa riot, the 1921 riot, there was an issue on
1:06:11
an elevator with a guy named Dick Rowland. He was accused of having touched or assaulted
1:06:18
a 16 year old white girl. So he was arrested and taken to the sheriff's office. There was an
1:06:25
article that was written by a man named Richard Lloyd Jones and his newspaper called the Tulsa Tribune.
1:06:32
And the title of that newspaper article was Nab Negro for raping white girl. And so that,
1:06:39
of course, got some people upset. And so a mob of men marched down to the jailhouse,
1:06:48
and they demanded the release of Dick Rowland and the sheriff being a man of integrity said,
1:06:52
no, he's in our custody. He's going to stand trial because that's the way we do things.
1:06:55
Conversely, there was a mob of black men who also showed up to the jailhouse. There was an article
1:07:05
written in the black newspaper by a man named AJ Smitherman. Now, as it turns out, AJ Smitherman
1:07:12
was a member of the NAACP. He was a part of this organization who Manning Johnson, who we
1:07:20
referenced in the film, said that, you know, the NAACP went out of their way to create race issues.
1:07:28
And that was very well going on in the 1920s. And the white guy who wrote for Tulsa Tribune
1:07:35
was also heavily involved. He and his wife and many so-called progressive causes.
1:07:42
He was a part of the Unitarian Church as well, which was a meeting place for communist agitators
1:07:50
in that time. And so you ask yourself, why is it that this white progressive newspaper editor
1:07:59
is writing articles meant to entice racial friction between white and black? Why would
1:08:07
a communist be interested in that? Sounds familiar. Sounds very familiar. The whole idea is that
1:08:16
communists seek to exploit whatever friction they can. They want further to be chaos. They
1:08:23
want further to be division. And this goes back to one of the points I wanted to make earlier
1:08:27
that I forgot about, you know, because you were asking, you know, why is it that people are so
1:08:34
susceptible to Marxist, you know, the Marxist desire for utopia on Earth. And the answer to
1:08:44
that question is a lot of us think it's inconceivable or unfathomable that somebody who is using familiar
1:08:53
Christian-esque language is doing so to push this Marxist agenda. As if Marxists don't know
1:09:01
scripture, we see Satan himself quoting scripture when he was trying to tempt Jesus.
1:09:05
You have Raphael Warnock on the campaign trail, you know, saying things that are very similar.
1:09:11
And he comes from a very particular worldview. Exactly. Exactly. So I highly encourage people
1:09:16
to go back and look at in the scriptures the way that Satan tried to tempt Jesus. He would use
1:09:23
scripture to do so. And he would try to flip it and manipulate it in such a way to justify
1:09:28
what it was he was trying to push. And so if the father of lies is using that as a tactic,
1:09:39
as something in his arsenal, wouldn't those who are the children of Satan today be willing
1:09:47
to do the same thing? Even if they don't do it, they could be useful idiot in this whole
1:09:52
frame. Right. Precisely. And so, and so yeah, that that, in my opinion, is the reason why a lot
1:09:59
of Christians, they follow people who tell them what their itching ears want to hear. And these
1:10:06
people, these so-called leaders are gifted at twisting, manipulating scripture to try to justify
1:10:14
something that's just unjustifiable. So to get back to this, the reason why communists and so-called
1:10:21
socialists and progressives, the reason why they want for there to be friction, the reason why they
1:10:27
insist on division and identity politics and finding these points or these areas where they
1:10:34
can kind of exploit and exacerbate and make kind of a divisive thing is it gives them a kind of end.
1:10:43
It gives them the ability to kind of assume the position of having the moral high ground,
1:10:50
of having an answer, of having a plan and regimen in order, in making things better.
1:10:57
And so, you want to kind of create racial friction in 1921 because if you can keep blacks and whites
1:11:04
at each other's throats, you can come in with a plan to make things better. But it didn't work
1:11:10
in Tulsa. The thing about it is you had black people who not only had their faith, but they also had
1:11:17
businesses. They had integrity. And you can't get these blacks to depend on you, to depend on the
1:11:26
NAACP, to depend on your program or whatever it is you're trying to push because they knew they
1:11:31
had a taste of what it's like to do for self. And they didn't want to give that up. And so,
1:11:36
because they didn't want to give that up, they built it back. And not only did they build it back,
1:11:40
they did so with the help of white people. There were white people who were helping to build it back.
1:11:48
And so, this idea that black generational wealth and black success ended in 1921 with the massacre
1:11:56
is just completely untrue. And not only that, it was built back before 1925. We just happened to
1:12:02
have footage of 1925. But it dates back earlier to that. They got back to work immediately. It wasn't
1:12:09
300 people who died. It was a couple dozen of both blacks and whites who died because it was a
1:12:15
large brawl. That's what it was. It wasn't a massacre. It was a brawl. There's so many places
1:12:20
I can go with it, but you're absolutely right. There's so much with Tulsa race rights, like that
1:12:24
could be its own, you know, future film, I guess, if you want to say it in terms of that. And so,
1:12:30
to kind of put a bow on Uncle Tom to before we before we get you out of here, we know there's
1:12:35
going to be more of these. I know that we're at least going to have a part three because at the very
1:12:39
end of the film, of the second film, you not so subtly let us know that part three is coming. So,
1:12:46
I guess you give me an idea of what does the future of the franchise look like? Like, is it
1:12:51
just going to be three films? Is it going to extend out? Is there going to be, you know,
1:12:54
more episodic docu series type things? And I don't want to ruin the end of the film for anybody.
1:13:00
But I will say the very last line of the film, as soon as it cut out, I go,
1:13:05
like I literally gasped like a like a little kid, like, oh my gosh, like you were kind of scared
1:13:10
because, and again, I don't want to ruin it for anybody. So if anyone's going to ruin it,
1:13:13
it's going to be you, Chad. But you mentioned the phrase or the words sacred cow very early in this
1:13:20
interview. And you guys are seemingly planning in the third film to go after the sacred cow
1:13:29
in Americanism, right? There is no figure that is above this figure in terms of our,
1:13:36
you know, cultural zeitgeist, if it will. So you can kind of ease your way out of it. You don't
1:13:41
have to necessarily give it away. But just tell me what what the future of this franchise looks
1:13:45
like of Uncle Tom. Well, it is my hope that, well, the catch out of the bag there will be a part three.
1:13:55
It is my hope that part three is a finale. I wanted, so earlier in the project, I had ideas of
1:14:05
there being a part three, because like as I mentioned, we were in Baltimore. And as you walk around
1:14:10
Baltimore, you see all of these abandoned brownstone buildings that were boarded up and so on and so
1:14:17
forth. And of course, me as a, as a, as a contractor, business owner here in Texas,
1:14:24
I'm always looking for opportunities. And so seeing these boarded up buildings on the one hand
1:14:30
and seeing all these able-bodied men doing absolutely nothing on the corners, on the other
1:14:35
hands, to see those two things, of course, my ideas, or ideas start brewing in my head. And I'm
1:14:41
thinking to myself, it'll be cool to kind of bring some kind of like trade program, not government
1:14:47
funded, but completely private privately funded trade institution to Baltimore, where you're teaching
1:14:56
these young men who are willing skills. We're teaching them plumbing, you're teaching them
1:15:02
electrical carpentry, masonry, so on and so forth. And we can, in a sense, buy these brownstone
1:15:09
buildings at a, at a low cost and completely renovate them and teach financial literacy
1:15:17
to these young men and their families to bring in people who are well-versed and money management
1:15:28
and politics and culture, so on and so forth, to basically not only focus on teaching them skills,
1:15:35
but also teaching them life skills, bringing pastors, so on and so forth, and begin to buy,
1:15:40
you know, give them the opportunity to buy these buildings for their families and completely renovate
1:15:44
Baltimore with skills and not just with what the government has to offer. And I thought it would
1:15:54
be cool to do a film where we document that process. And somebody asked me, well, what about when
1:16:01
you run into red tape from the local leaders? And I said, that's the exact thing that we want
1:16:07
to document. That's the exact thing we want to document. It is the red tape that you would run
1:16:11
into. And not only that, somebody asked, well, what about the fact there are some young men who
1:16:16
won't be willing to join your program? That's another thing we want to document because what we
1:16:21
want to show is not only do you have these people, these Democrats, these politicians who claim
1:16:30
that they want for things to be better in their city, not only are you able to showcase them
1:16:36
standing in the way of something that could legitimately help the people in their city,
1:16:41
if people can see that, then you're exposing them in the light for all to see. And to the
1:16:47
other extent that you have, you know, young black men who are complaining that the system is against
1:16:51
us, the system is racist, we can't get ahead because of racism, to show that they are rejecting
1:16:57
the very thing that can help them legitimately for not just immediate success, but for long-term
1:17:02
success, to document that also gets people to stop believing this boy who cried wolf syndrome
1:17:09
and begin to like move on and take care and focus on themselves and their families and
1:17:14
their churches and their communities instead of focusing on the plight of black people that
1:17:18
doesn't exist, or at least doesn't exist in the way that we're told that it exists.
1:17:23
So it's a win-win-win. It's a win if people do go along with it and we're able to
1:17:29
move the needle and create genuine traction in a place like Baltimore. It's a win if the government
1:17:36
gets in the way of it because we can show people the government is not as for you as they say
1:17:42
they are. And it's a win if the people reject it because it's a because we can show people that
1:17:48
people are just not willing to accept authentic help that actually teaches a man to fish,
1:17:57
that people would much rather just be fed. And it's good for people to see that. It's good for
1:18:02
the church to see that, most importantly. And so that's the idea that I had for part three,
1:18:07
we ask that idea. And where we're going with part three is exactly what you talked about
1:18:14
as far as how we leave part two. It's important to get into that subject matter because we're
1:18:20
exposing not only the sacred cow, but the ideology that the sacred cow bought into from a very
1:18:26
early age. It wasn't something that this particular sacred cow suddenly stumbled into in the last
1:18:33
three years of said sacred cow's life. It was something that was planned and organized from the
1:18:39
very beginning. It's also important to look at the state of theology in America going into the 70s
1:18:49
after the after you know certain things happened, how there was a cultural shift in the church and
1:18:56
in the black community. And it's also important to look at the state of black community today in
1:19:02
terms of what people believe about what blackness is. If you look at, for example, and I'll make
1:19:09
this point and leave it here, if you look at the average, like a picture of the average black man
1:19:16
who's in his 20s today, and just look at how he's dressed. What you'll find is that they're dressed
1:19:25
much like a middle schooler. And so I, my diagnosis of that, and of course, I'm not a doctor or
1:19:34
a medical professional, but a lot of black men unfortunately suffer from arrested development.
1:19:42
That is the inability or the lacking the desire to grow up, lacking the desire to be a man and to
1:19:51
take responsibility of looking at life as this kind of party, always looking to, you know,
1:20:01
looking at hustling as a means of getting ahead and not actually, you know, learning a skill and
1:20:06
mastering that skill and making the most of it, looking at women as objects to have sex with and
1:20:13
instead of a woman to marry and to raise a family and children with. This is a very new phenomenon,
1:20:19
and it happened again downstream of the demoralization phase that has happened in this country. Because
1:20:24
comparatively, if you look at pictures of 20-something-year-old black men from the 1940s,
1:20:31
you can see just from the way that they're dressed, their posture, the way that they carry
1:20:35
themselves, that these are men of integrity. These are men who came from families that held them
1:20:42
accountable and placed the onus of them to be responsible individuals. And so this isn't just
1:20:49
true in the black community, so-called black community. There I go using that terminology again,
1:20:55
but this isn't just true of black people in America. This is true at large. It's just so happens
1:20:59
that there's been a lot of scrutiny and focus on black people, that that's what we, that that's
1:21:05
what we in this space of social sciences tend to look at and talk about. White people in this country
1:21:13
come from various European backgrounds. White people make up over 60% of the population,
1:21:20
and there's so much diversity, and there's such a narrative put forth that because of privilege
1:21:27
and because of all these things, it's just not worth it to break down the family element.
1:21:36
The familial elements, the cultural elements of white people, because there's more fodder and
1:21:43
there's more legislation to be pushed, there's more policy to be pushed when you focus on brown
1:21:49
and black and brown intersectional groups, and there are when you focus on white people at large.
1:21:53
Of course, when you do focus on white people at large, you get into class
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differences, which is really what the Marxists want. They want to focus on class.
1:22:03
And that's another interesting point, too, because it's like you have a lot of so-called
1:22:07
conservatives who say, "Oh, it's not about race. It's about class." It's like, no, you're not
1:22:12
helping the conversation. You're still feeding into the Marxian playbook when you try to focus on
1:22:19
class. It's not so much about class as much as it is about culture, in my opinion, and what are you
1:22:24
teaching your kids and what are you breaking certain cycles that have been handed down to you
1:22:30
from generations of old, from your parents, whether it be habits of how we talk about
1:22:36
and think about money, how we talk about and think about decency and drunkenness, and so on and so
1:22:41
forth. Are you being born again to be born as to be born of natural parents who teach you natural
1:22:48
lessons in a natural world? To be born again is to abandon that, to die to that, and to choose
1:22:54
this day forward to take heed to what God says, the author of the universe, the author of creation,
1:23:01
the author of humanity. That's a decision that we all have to make, regardless of background,
1:23:07
regardless of culture, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of whatever worldview that was
1:23:11
indoctrinated and still did us from a very early age. Sorry about the long pangent, but
1:23:19
yeah, that's where I'm at. No, that's great. Like, I love actually like when you go on those
1:23:25
tangents because it gives me a little bit of an idea as to some of the inroads that you're going
1:23:28
to be making in your future projects. I'm so excited for you guys and the work that you produce up to
1:23:33
this point, but just knowing some of the things behind the scenes after talking with you and Justin
1:23:37
about some of the things that are to come, I think it's very interesting. And I'm actually
1:23:40
appreciative that you left off the name of the sacred cow because guys, you've got to go check
1:23:45
out the film. It's called Uncle Tom, too. It'll be in the show notes. It is well worth your time.
1:23:49
And it is appropriate to watch, you know, with your high schooler. There's some different depictions
1:23:54
of Marxist violence in there. So some of you guys are going to be familiar with some of those things.
1:23:57
But it's something that that if we're going to start working to push back on the darkness that's
1:24:03
coming in culture and some of the pervasive ideologies that are even coming through the classrooms,
1:24:07
this is one of the ways that you can do it. But Chad, I'm not going to let you off the hook
1:24:10
before I take you through the ringer here at the end. So I do a segment at the end of some of my
1:24:14
interviews called, what would you say to someone that said? So this is lightning round. So what
1:24:19
I'm going to say is what would you say to someone that said, I'm going to fill in the blank. And
1:24:24
you have 30 seconds to respond to each one of these. Okay. So I know it's not impossible. I will
1:24:31
set a timer and I will yell at you if you don't do it right. You got 30 seconds regardless of what
1:24:35
I say. And then that's all you get. It's meat and potatoes, baby. So you up for it. Yeah, let's do
1:24:40
it. Okay, let's do this first one. Just ease in. See how it goes. What would you say to someone
1:24:45
that said, Uncle Tom and Uncle Tom to our racist films? I would say that in the films that we
1:24:55
we demonstrate good versus evil. And if you insist on making everything about race,
1:25:00
then it just shows that you're unwilling to wake up from the stupor that we talk about in the film.
1:25:05
One pitch one home run. Let's keep this going. What would you say to someone that said?
1:25:10
Chad O Jackson is a black white supremacist. I wouldn't say anything to them. I mean,
1:25:17
I don't need to say anything to them. I don't have anything to prove to them. I'll just keep it moving.
1:25:21
That wouldn't dignify a response. I agree with you. Next one here. What would you say to someone
1:25:24
that said, reparations must be paid in order for black people to be equal to white people?
1:25:29
I would say that they lack faith in the dignity of black people. They don't see black people as
1:25:37
as being capable of operating in the real world. And so they must be
1:25:43
pampered and taken care of. And so it says more about them than it does about black people.
1:25:49
All right. Next one here. What would you say to someone that said black people need more money,
1:25:54
not more Jesus talk?
1:25:55
If you give black people more money, just as if you give any other so-called group more money,
1:26:04
that's actually going to make things a lot worse than it is better.
1:26:07
Okay. Next one here. What would you say to someone that said, we should all strive for equity?
1:26:13
That you're peddling Marx's talking points.
1:26:19
It's true. If you hear someone say equity, you should look at them a little bit of scan.
1:26:24
So we've got a few more left. What would you say to someone that said, Marxism will work.
1:26:28
It just hasn't been done right yet. I hear it all the time chat. Do people really say that?
1:26:36
They honestly say it. They believe it. They're typically on university campuses. But what would
1:26:41
you say to these people? I mean, what do you say? Again, that doesn't dignify a response,
1:26:47
but at the same time, it's like if that's what you're peddling and you're influencing college
1:26:53
students who will go out into the world and take leadership and corporations and so on and so forth.
1:26:58
I mean, it's just, I don't know. I mean,
1:27:02
I honestly don't know how to respond to that. You're talking to somebody that either is the
1:27:12
most optimistic person on planet Earth, or they have no understanding of any of the atrocities
1:27:17
of the 20th century. All right, a couple more left for each add. What would you say to someone
1:27:20
that said black lives matter? I mean, somebody who says black lives matter, I mean, I guess I would
1:27:30
just say that if black lives matter, then what about you heard this before? What about the lives
1:27:37
in the womb? What about black fathers? What about all these black people who are killing each other?
1:27:44
This is more of a movement that is seeking to federalize the police than it is to really
1:27:53
care about the lives of black people. Yeah, you always have to ask are you talking about the
1:27:57
organization, the ideology, or the sentence? Because you're going to get three different answers.
1:28:01
All right, last question of the day, what would you say to someone that said Chad O Jackson is an
1:28:05
Uncle Tom? Again, that's something that doesn't dignify our response because if you knew who
1:28:20
Uncle Tom was based on, and you knew what Josiah Henson, who the book is based on, did and who he
1:28:27
was, they would, I don't know, again, that that exposes more of that person's ignorance than it does.
1:28:35
Anything else? Absolutely. Well, Chad, I appreciate all your time today. I appreciate you going into
1:28:39
all this detail. I took us off on a few different tangents. So we didn't get to talk about all the
1:28:44
things about the film that I wanted to. But hopefully I left more meat on the bone. So guys are
1:28:47
interested to check it out for themselves. But that's all for me. Is there anything else you want
1:28:50
to get off your chest? No, I just encourage people to watch Uncle Tom too. It's available at Uncle
1:28:56
Tom.com. If you watch it and you like what you see, or if you think that other people should watch
1:29:01
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1:29:08
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1:29:14
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1:29:20
Chad O'Jackson, thank you for coming on on Daunted Life, a man's podcast. Thank you. There you go,
1:29:26
guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Chad O'Jackson. But before we let you go, we are going to do a
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1:29:37
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1:29:43
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1:29:46
Watch it with your wife like it's a great time. I mean, it's a heavy, heavy documentary, but man,
1:29:52
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