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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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And he said, "What comes out of a person is what defiles him.
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For from within out of the heart of man come evil thoughts,
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sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
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coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.
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All these evil things come from within and they defile a person."
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All right, guys.
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Kind of a weird place to start, but don't worry.
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It'll make sense.
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Here in just a minute, we're so glad to have you on the show today.
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Thank you for listening.
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But guys, before we get going into today's content,
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I wanted to let you know I'm currently booking speaking engagements
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out for this year for 2022.
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So I know a lot of you guys, you have men's events coming up.
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You have men's conferences.
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You have a lot of different things where you're bringing in speakers
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to your church or to your ministry or to your business.
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If you want me to come speak live at one of those events
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or even if you've got a podcast and you'd like to interview me
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on your podcast about what we're doing here at Undaunted Life,
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I make it very, very easy for all of you guys to get a hold of me, okay?
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So a couple of different ways.
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You can go to our website.
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The link will be in the show notes.
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It's undaunted.life/speaking, undaunted.life/speaking,
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or you can just shoot me an email directly to info@undaunted.life.
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That's i-n-f-o at Undaunted.life.
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There we clear our throats.
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Now let's move into today's content, okay?
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So you may have seen headlines in the last several weeks
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that have included two words that you may not have ever heard of,
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or at least you hadn't heard recently.
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And those two words were conversion therapy, conversion therapy.
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That's on the tip of everybody's tongue seemingly.
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These days is what their thoughts are
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on conversion therapy and the things therein, okay?
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Here we go.
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This is going to be the coughing podcast, apparently.
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Let's keep going.
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Let's just mow it through.
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You may have also seen that preachers all over Canada and the United States
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on the 16th of January, on the 16th of this month,
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delivered sermons that upheld biblical sexual morality
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on the entirety of the LGBTQ+ agenda, okay?
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You may have seen some stuff pop up about that.
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So you might be wondering, okay, why is all this happening?
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Like what are the main reasons for this?
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Like what's kind of leading to this ground squeal?
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You know, I heard about conversion therapy back in the day.
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Why is it in the news again?
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The big reason that it is is because of a new law
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that has been passed in the country of Canada
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and it's Bill C. Ford in Canada.
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So I'm not exactly sure how the Canadian system works
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in terms of how their bills become law and all that.
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I don't know.
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I know that's a little bit different than here in the United States.
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But essentially this law outlaws what they're calling
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conversion therapy.
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So today, since most of you listen to this,
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you don't actually watch this.
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I would be using air quotes.
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This would be the major air quotes podcast,
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as opposed to just the cough podcast.
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But every time I use conversion therapy,
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every time I say that phrase today,
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it's so called conversion therapy.
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It is going to be in scare quotes
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because I want to talk a little bit more about this law,
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Bill C. Ford in Canada.
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But then we're going to get into the ramifications for this
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and what's happening all over the globe.
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So defined in the law in Bill C. Ford in this,
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these are in sections 320.102 to 320.104.
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Conversion therapy means a practice,
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treatment or service designed to,
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and this is directly from the law.
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A, change a person's sexual orientation to heterosexual.
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B, change a person's gender identity to cisgender.
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C, change a person's gender expression
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so that it conforms to the sex assigned to the person at birth.
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D, repress or reduce non-heterosexual attraction
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or sexual behavior.
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E, repress a person's non-sisgender gender identity.
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Or F, repress or reduce a person's gender expression
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that does not conform to the sex assigned to the person at birth.
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Now guys, I'm not going to go ahead and repeat that list again,
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but you might just rewind a few times
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to listen to that list again just to make sure that gets in
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because I know a lot of that is not normal parlance
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for most normal people working a job.
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So even think about those things,
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but I want to make sure that you get that in your heads
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because there's something of note here
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about what this law in Canada, this Bill C4, is looking at.
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As you can see from the list that I just read,
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hopefully you just listened to it twice.
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Influencing someone's sexuality or gender identity
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is only considered illegal under this law.
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It's only considered illegal conversion therapy
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when it aligns with what the bible teaches about those subjects.
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It outlaws it otherwise.
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Because if you teach that a boy is a boy and always a boy,
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a girl is a girl and always a girl that they were born that way,
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if you teach in any way, shape or form that a homosexual lifestyle
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and acting out on those homosexual urges is wrong.
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You go afoul of what we're seeing here with this law, okay?
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And even with this law, if you were to influence
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or even coerce a child or an adult to be gay or gender fluid
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or trans or non-binary, it's all good.
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Literally, because people are like, oh, you know,
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that'll never happen. That's a slippery slope argument.
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But here we are today.
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If you influence or coerce a child or an adult to be gay
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or gender fluid or trans or non-binary or any other things
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that are in the array of the rainbow, it's all good.
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You can 100% do that.
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And Matt Walsh from The Daily Wire actually pointed this out on Twitter.
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Essentially, if you counsel your biological male child
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to accept his male identity, you could be arrested for this in Canada, right?
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Hey, you are a biological male.
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That is a good thing. Let's reinforce that.
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It is written so broadly.
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We're going to get into that way more here in just a second.
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So, but just think about this.
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A ministry like mine, but you know, were I to implore men
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to embrace their God-given masculinity?
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Were I to implore young men to embrace their masculinity?
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As I do on this show often, if I were to do this in Canada,
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I could be convicted for doing so under this law, okay?
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Also, the bill would enact new offenses to prohibit,
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and this is straight from the bill, so I'll read the list here,
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causing another person to undergo conversion therapy,
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removing a child from Canada to undergo conversion therapy abroad,
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promoting or advertising conversion therapy,
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and receiving a financial or other material benefit
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from the provision of conversion therapy, right?
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So again, they're going to define conversion therapy.
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They're going to be the ones that make sure that they enforce this,
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and they're looking at all the eventualities.
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So, let's say you're a Canadian citizen.
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They outlaw this, and you want to go across the border to Michigan
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and get your kids some treatment,
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because they're expressing some same-sex attraction,
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and they don't want these feelings.
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Can't do that.
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So basically, that list that I just read,
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if you go to their website,
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which I'll include a lot of things in the show notes today,
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but if you go to their website,
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all those things I just listed violates another Canadian law,
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but they're going to be using this law to usurp
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some of those other laws, okay?
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And those who disobey the law,
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they will face up to five years in prison.
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Five years in prison.
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So, Pastor James Coats, who is a name that you should recognize,
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because he was on our podcast last year.
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He was the pastor that had on the show
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after that he was released from his arrest
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for not shutting down his church during COVID.
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He said that this law essentially criminalizes evangelism,
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and he's absolutely right.
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Because you couldn't evangelize to somebody
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to say that their sin is depraved.
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Right? Because not everybody struggles with same-sex attraction,
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not everyone struggles with confusion within their gender identity,
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not anyone struggles with those types of sins,
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some struggle with other sins.
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But if you were to evangelize to someone
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and tell them that they need to turn away
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repent from their life of sin,
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this is now being outlawed under this new law.
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They've outlawed biblical Christianity in Canada, okay?
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But it's not just in Canada,
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because before Canada, it happened in France.
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So you may not have heard about this,
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but the National Assembly,
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that's the lower house over there in France,
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they unanimously voted for the law in October of last year,
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a law that would basically eradicate
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what they're calling conversion therapy.
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Guys, we're going to spend a lot of time
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on the definition of conversion therapy in a little bit.
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So hang on.
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But the French Senate voted 305 to 28 in favor
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of the ban of conversion therapy on December the 7th of 2021.
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So the very end of last year.
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Both houses passed the compromise language on just a few weeks ago.
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The law now has to be officially promulgated by President Emmanuel Macron
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before it can go into effect.
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So guys, I was having trouble finding the exact,
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the exact, you know, where this is in terms of what's going on
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in the French houses and all that.
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But if Macron has not done so already,
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he has 100% expected to do so.
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He is going to sign this bill into law.
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And the expectation is that it will be enshrined into law
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by the end of February.
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Okay. So this is right around the corner.
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If not February, it'll be March.
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There's no way he's not going to sign this.
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So this bill bans all and this is a quote from the bill.
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Practices, behaviors and repeated statements with the intent
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of modifying or repressing a person's real or perceived sexual orientation
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or gender identity and having the effect of a material alteration
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to their mental or physical health.
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Okay. So that's what this bill is banning.
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And here are the penalties of this law if it's violated.
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Okay. So with the Canadian law, it was five years in prison
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and with no fines, at least there were no fines listed.
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If you violate this in France, you could get two years in prison
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and a 30 30,000 euro fine.
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That's about 34,000 US.
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And then the punishment increases to three years in prison
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and 45,000 euros, about 51,000 US.
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If the victim is a minor or otherwise considered a quote
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unquote vulnerable person, and if the person practicing
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conversion therapy is a parent or grandparent of the victim,
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or if the conversion therapy is conducted online.
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But I'm not necessarily worried as much about the online
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or the people that are considered vulnerable.
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If a parent or grandparent does this so-called conversion therapy,
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they could get three years in prison and 45,000 euro fine.
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Also, medical professionals found guilty of this so-called conversion therapy
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can be banned from practicing for 10 years, essentially ending their careers.
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So I wanted to actually read this quote from France's minister
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for equality between women and men.
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This is an actual title for an actual government bureaucrat in France.
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The minister for equality between women and men, her name is Elizabeth Moreno,
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or I'm assuming it's a her, sorry, I just may misgendered her.
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This is a quote from her quote.
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"Being oneself isn't a crime.
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No homosexuality and trans identity aren't sicknesses that can be cured.
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No, there is nothing to cure."
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Now, there is an interesting note based off that quote from minister for equality
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between women and men Elizabeth Moreno.
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Homosexuality was removed from the list of psychiatric disorders
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recognized in the country of France in 1981.
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And then gender identity disorders were removed in 2010.
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But no data or research were given for these changes.
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There was no breakthrough in psychology or understanding the human brain or how we act out
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and any of these types of things that made them remove homosexuality
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from the list of psychiatric disorders in 1981 and gender identity disorders in 2010.
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Nothing whatsoever.
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Isn't that so interesting?
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Now let's move over to the United Kingdom.
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So over in the UK, they've been signaling for months that they intended to induce
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or introduce legislation on this, okay?
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But it looks like they're moving forward with some pace at this point,
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because since France put it into effect, everyone's looking at the UK now.
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Like, hey, are you going to continue to drag your feet or are you going to get after it?
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Now, I'm going to read directly from www.gov.uk.
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That is the government website of the UK, okay?
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So here I'm going to read directly from the website.
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The government will introduce a legislation ban on the practice of so-called conversion therapy.
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This consultation seeks views on proposals and how we plan to ban these practices,
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which particularly affect LGBT people.
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This consultation closes on Friday, the 4th, February 2022 at 11.45 p.m.
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So they're basically wanting to get the opinions of the people in the populace,
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and essentially anyone around the world could give them ideas on this.
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So back to the website.
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The consultation seeks views on a package of proposed measures
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that will apply to England and Wales.
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These include a ban on conversion therapy, introducing a new criminal offense alongside
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sentence uplifts for existing offenses, a package of support for victims,
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restricting promotion of conversion therapies, removing profit streams,
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and strengthening the case for disqualification from holding a senior role in a charity,
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introducing conversion therapy protection orders to protect potential victims
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from undergoing the practice, including overseas,
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and then also exploring further measures to prevent the promotion and advertisement
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of conversion therapy.
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So that's in the UK, but then right over in Ireland, the land of my forefathers,
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they're in the process of evaluating whether or not to put legislation like this into effect.
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Roderick O'Gorman and Irish government minister,
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he said that there is a need to investigate whether there is an issue with so-called
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conversion therapy in the Republic of Ireland before bringing in a ban.
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But that is just basically government speak before we're going to do this eventually,
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but we need to pretend as if we're going to be doing a lot of dire research in the meantime.
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So that's what's going on in jolly old Ireland.
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But then you're thinking to yourself, okay, that's great.
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That's Canada, you know, they're weird. They've got Mounties and hockey and frozen ponds up there,
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good for them. Oh, and France, who knows and cares about those berry wearing weirdos?
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No one cares about what's going on in the UK.
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Didn't we fight a war to not have to care about those people?
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What about Ireland? Did they finally run out of potatoes and they got to find something else to do?
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There have I offended everybody at this point.
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So you're thinking this doesn't affect you, right?
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The majority of my audience listening to this podcast is in the great country of America.
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This doesn't affect you, right? Wrong. You are.
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Because currently there's something like this going on right in the heartland in West Lafayette,
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Indiana. Okay. So there's been other things that have been going on in the United States,
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but I want to focus on on West Lafayette, Indiana, because it's going on really literally right now.
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There's ordinance 31 21 in the city of West Lafayette. Okay. Now this ordinance,
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if it were to be accepted, would prohibit unlicensed persons from practicing so-called
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conversion therapy with children under the age of 18 with a penalty of up to $1,000 per day
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for violators. So it defines conversion therapy as quote, any practices or treatments that seek
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to change an individual sexual orientation or gender identity, including efforts to change
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gender expression or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings towards
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individuals of the same gender, unquote. Now their basis for wanting this man, because I went
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actually read the ordinance, the proposed ordinance. I went in there. Okay. Their basis for this are
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the words of the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association,
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the Committee on Adolescents of the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Counseling
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Association, governing council, American Psycho Analytic Association, American Academy of Child
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and Adolescent Psychiatry, American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists
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and the American College of Physicians. So they're not messing around. They're taking
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all these alphabet organizations that have, you know, apparently all this money, all this funding,
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and all this influence. And that's what they're basing this ban on. Okay. Now, you would think
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since it was all these disparate organizations that there would be some significant variations
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in what they said in reference to why they're including those organizations on this ordinance.
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And you'd be wrong. Nope. They all pretty much said the exact same thing. So I'm going to read
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this quote from the American Psychiatric Association, because they basically all echo this sentiment
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quote. This opposes any treatment such as a reparative or conversion therapy, which is based upon the
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assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon a priori assumption
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that a patient should change his or her sexual homosexual orientation. Unquote.
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They all pretty much say the exact same thing. Now, so far, the ordinance approval motion has
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been tabled at the city council meetings in December and January of this year, but it's up for review
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again in February. Now they're feeling the heat, right? Because you've got it in the news. People
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are talking about it because of what's going on in Canada. So you're they're feeling it right
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now. Okay. Again, it goes into effect. Violators will be fined $1,000 per day. As many have pointed
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out, if this goes into effect, okay, Christian counselors in this town of West Lafayette, Indiana,
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will almost surely be in violation of the ordinance immediately. Okay. Because many of these counselors
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are unlicensed, right? I'm using air quotes. This is the air quote podcast. Many of these counselors
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are unlicensed because they are Christians and operate outside of the secular psychological
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establishment, right? So think about it in this terms, if you had an issue, let's say you're
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you're a member of a church and you're having a drinking problem. And let's say you go to your
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church and you want to get the counseling of one of the pastors on staff, they would be considered
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an unlicensed counselor. Okay. Now you can go to a licensed counselor and get essentially the same
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treatment without all the scripture or prayer or any of those types of accountability things
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that might be there in. But a lot of these counselors in this area are going to be operating outside
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of that establishment. Okay. Now I actually found a quote from a pastor in West Lafayette that runs
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one of these counseling programs. So here's the quote. We currently have 31 counselors offering
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68 hours of biblical counseling to members of our community each week free of charge at multiple
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locations. The reason faith counselors and others choose not to be licensed is because we have
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dramatically different counseling presuppositions than the secular world. We have never practiced
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conversion therapy or use the term because we find this practice that was developed by the
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secular counseling community to be barbaric and harmful to persons experiencing same-sex attraction.
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Unquote. Okay. Now ordinance 31 21 in West Lafayette, Louisiana is somehow attached to Senate Bill 32
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in Indiana. I'm not exactly sure how the websites for both of these organizations for for the city
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of West Lafayette and for the Indiana state, it doesn't exactly make this clear. But there was
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Senate Bill 32 introduced in January of 2021. So a year ago written by Indiana State Senator J.D.
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Ford. Okay. So the synopsis of this bill is it's a prohibition of conversion therapy and it
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prohibits a mental health provider from engaging in conversion therapy with a patient that's less
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than 18 years of age and subjects a mental health provider who violates a prohibition to
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disciplinary action. So I'm going to read this actually from the bill. This is exactly reflected
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in ordinance 31 21. But quote conversion therapy means any practice or treatment that seeks to
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change an individual sexual orientation or gender identity, including any effort to change gender
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expression or to eliminate or reduce sexual or romantic attraction or feelings towards individuals
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of the same gender. Unquote. Now, as far as I could find, as far as I could understand,
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this bill is dead. Okay. So this bill did not make it through, you know, the state house there in
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the state of Indiana, the bill is dead. But this bill was attempting to add Indiana to the list
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of 20 other states. So Indiana would have been the 21st of the 50 states here in the United States
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that would have banned so called conversion therapy. Okay. Now guys, I know that took quite a bit of
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time for me to get through all that talking about Canada and France and the UK and Ireland. And
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now here we are here in the United States. But now that we've gotten through all that information,
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we need to go over the truth about these laws. Okay. Because there's a lot of things that come
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out of these laws. So we need to really, really dig in. Okay. So other European countries
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will have to enact similar laws to what France has done in order to keep up. They have to.
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So do not be shocked if in the next, you know, 12 to 24 months, if we see Portugal and Spain,
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maybe even Italy, maybe Germany, Sweden, Denmark, they have some similar things in place, because
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I'm not sure exactly what they have in place in those countries right now. But these European
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countries can't be outwoked by one another, right? Especially if they're going to be part of the
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European Union. At some point, I would assume that the European Union may hand down something
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like this. For all I know, the United Nations can end up handing down something like this,
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banning so called conversion therapy. So that's first thing. Another truth about these laws is
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these laws are targeted, not defensive, because most laws are defensive. They're not targeted
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for the most part, right? So there are laws protecting against having somebody drive their
21:23
forward through the front door of my house, right? There are a lot of laws. There are traffic laws.
21:27
There are violations of personal property, personal sovereignty, personal safety, all those different
21:32
things. But these laws are targeted at specific people, people that you wouldn't normally consider
21:37
to be criminals. Think of a Christian counselor or a Christian pastor. Another thing about these laws
21:45
is they are purposefully broadly written. Again, I'm going to include all this in the show notes.
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You can read it for yourself just so you know that I'm not making it up. When you read these laws,
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so unbelievably broad. And if the law is written broadly, it can be applied broadly, okay? So
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Christian people, parents, churches, businesses, ministries will be targeted because of how broad
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a law like this has been written, okay? To my knowledge, none of the laws or the proposed laws
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that I've talked about so far have any real religious exemptions, because even specifically
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with the law in Canada, they're usurping some of their religious exemption and protection laws in
22:26
Canada by putting this law in place. They specifically spell that out. So even if they did have religious
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exemptions, though, it would be up to the government that enacted the law to agree to give that person
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the exemption. Think about that. This is a big point because so let's say, oh, the Canadian law
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had a religious exemption. Who has to grant you the right to that religious exemption?
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The Canadian government that has an axe to grind in this area. That's why they're putting the law
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in place to begin with, right? So they're written so broadly that the application can have so many
23:03
different ways of getting to you, right? The in person that could go to jail for this.
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Another truth about this law is that perhaps the greatest victims of these bills and bills like this
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will be young people that are confused about their gender and their sexuality.
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Those are going to be the greatest victims potentially because let's say you're a teenager,
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you have same sex attraction and you know that that's immoral. You know that that is, you know,
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not right within nature. You know that these feelings that you're having are something that
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you don't want to have. If you were to seek out counseling from somebody to help you with that
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same sex attraction, you're basically risking that person going to jail if they help you.
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So how many kids are not even going to reach out to somebody because they don't want to
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you know, have residual damage for something that they're feeling. They're not going to have
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anybody aside from someone that's just going to confirm them and tell them that the way they're
24:01
thinking and their way they're feeling is right. That's all they're going to hear. They're not
24:04
going to hear any other ways of thinking. Think about the gender issue. We have people that are
24:09
forcing gender change down children's throats and this law would prohibit even a school counselor
24:16
from telling a young girl that thinks she's a boy. Look, I don't know that that's exactly the case.
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How about we wait and see? She could go to jail for five years in Canada for two or three years
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in France. Can you imagine? Think about the victims that are going to come from this.
24:32
And the last thing I'll talk about here in terms of, you know, the actual truth about these laws
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as the enforcement of these laws can be applied to those that preach the gospel message.
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If you preach the gospel, this law can be applied to that and you can go to jail for it.
24:49
So there's a Canadian pastor named Jacob room, I think is how he says last name. It's R E A U M E,
24:55
not sure, but he's a Trinity Bible chapel. He said this quote, the biblical gospel is a message of
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conversion whereby Christ causes sinners to be born again, thus converting them from sinful
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propensities to godliness. This bill's language is vague enough that many think it might criminalize
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a biblical call to forsake sodomitic propensities to embrace righteousness. Unquote again,
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he talks about the broadness. Again, this is a Canadian pastor talking about Bill C for the broadness
25:24
of this law of this bill in Canada can make it so that it can be applied to a Christian pastor
25:32
for preaching basic biblical truths. That's where we are right now with all of this.
25:38
It's it's an actually very scary scary thing that's happening just for our brothers there to the
25:42
north. I know there's a lot of Canadians that listen to this podcast, right? But now, you know,
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now that we're about 25 minutes in here, we need to talk about conversion therapy, right?
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The quote unquote so-called conversion therapy. Now, if we were to talk about a definition of
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conversion therapy, a fair, but you know, we could call it a loose definition would be something like,
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you know, methods that would aim to change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity.
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Right? That's a that's a fair, basic, very loose definition methods that would aim to change
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a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. Okay? But just like the law surrounding conversion
26:20
therapy, okay? The phrase conversion therapy is defined so broadly that it includes many things
26:28
that actually aren't being done. Again, the laws are very, very, very broadly written. The term,
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the the phrase conversion therapy is defined so broadly to include so many things. Okay?
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The broad definition lumps together things that shouldn't be lumped together. So it'll lump
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together license therapists and unlicensed therapists. It lumps together people that sought out the
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treatment on their own and continue to go via their own free will with people that are feeling
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forced and or coerced to do it. Right? Because it's defined so broadly. Okay? But there's a reason
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for this. There's a reason why these people are using the phrase conversion therapy.
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And it's because of what people think of when they hear the phrase conversion therapy.
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Because in their minds, whether they were alive during this time or not, they go back to the 50s
27:24
and 60s. Okay? And someone named Julianna Chan, Erickson did a great job of breaking this down.
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So I'll include in the show notes, something that she wrote. But she talked about how during
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this time during the 1950s and 1960s, especially in America, medical manuals listed homosexuality
27:40
and gender dysphoria as psychological disorders. Okay? It was widely seen in the practice of psychology.
27:47
Okay? Also during this time, doctors and researchers tried all kinds of methods to, you know, in the
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case of homosexuality, change people's sexual desires for the same sex. Okay? Now they did some
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crazy stuff. Now these are psychologists. These are doctors. These are the scientists. These are
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the science, right? It's those people. It's the best among us, as we've been told during the era of
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CLV ID, right? Some of the things that they tried to do to get people to change their sexual orientation
28:18
included induced vomiting. It included shame based conditioning. So a young boy that considered
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himself to be gay, they would show him pornographic pictures of men. And then if he reacted to that
28:31
in any way, they would, you know, do things to physically hurt him. Also, there was electroshock
28:37
therapy that was used. Okay? And those were the most egregious examples that I found. So that's
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why I just described them, right? Just horrifically sinful, brutal things that they were doing to,
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in a lot of cases, children. Okay? But then in the early 70s, psychologists took homosexuality
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off the list of mental disorders. I talked about that earlier in terms of what happened in France.
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And it was all of a sudden, in the 1970s, psychologists assumed that homosexuality was
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no longer pathological, but it was acceptable. We went from pathological to acceptable to in a
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lot of cases, virtuous. This is a virtuous thing now to be homosexual, to be you to live out your
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truth, right? And yet, as I mentioned earlier, with with France, in the 1970s in America,
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they showed no data or studies to say why they made that change. They changed 180 degrees. They
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went the exact opposite direction these psychologists did, and they just did it. And seemingly no one
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challenged them on this. And here we are 50 plus years later. We just assume that that's true.
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We don't even look at homosexuality as if it is any type of a deformity that could potentially
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need treatment, right? We don't look at that. We don't look at it that way anymore. Okay?
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But the phrase conversion therapy is used purposefully to make an emotive point,
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because they could use a different phrase. Because it's not like that's so colloquially
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specific to what people are talking about in a modern age that they couldn't use another way
30:10
of describing it. They're using that specifically because if someone says this happened to me the
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other day, I was talking to somebody about preparing for this podcast and I use the word
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conversion therapy. And the guy literally goes, isn't that where they like shocked gay people to
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not be gay anymore? Right? That that's exactly why they're doing this. It's exactly why they're
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using that phrase, why they're using that to make an emotive point inside of our brains.
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And here's the thing. These LGBTQ plus zealots want you to just assume that harm is being done
30:39
if somebody is undergoing a treatment that's categorically considered to be conversion therapy.
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I listened to a debate the other day on Justin Briarley's podcast over in the UK and there was
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somebody that was on the pro side of these laws in the UK and somebody that was on the anti side
30:53
of these laws. And the person that was pro these laws, this is somebody that was a self-described
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lesbian, Christian, because of course, and they said that they had undergone this, undergone this
31:02
treatment, how it was horrible and it was terrible and, you know, it ruined their life and they were
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they were lucky to make it out alive. And then all they described was that people were praying over
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them that, you know, there were people that tried to exercise a demon that there were people that
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were holding this girl accountable. Right? And yet that was the treatment that was a therapy that
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almost ruined her life. Right? She didn't describe being physically harmed or, you know, being hooked
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up to electrodes. And if she was shown a picture of a woman's breasts that, you know, they shocked
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her or something like that, nothing like that was described. Essentially, conversion therapy
31:36
is not any different. And people don't want to talk about this, but conversion therapy,
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even how they're defining it is not any different than any other kind of behavioral therapy.
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The difference is the weight that we put on it culturally, because if you're getting therapy
31:49
to end the behavior of drinking yourself, you know, blackout drunk every night, we're okay
31:54
with that culturally. We don't look at that like, how dare you judge that person,
31:58
let them drink themselves to death. You big it, right? But the American College of Pediatrics in
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2016, not 1916 2016 said that they saw and this is a quote from them. No evidence that psychotherapy
32:11
for unwanted homosexual attraction is any more or less harmful than the use of psychotherapy to
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treat any other unwanted psychological or behavioral adaptation. That's the American College of Pediatrics
32:23
in 2016. So this idea that conversion therapy is wholly different than any other behavioral
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change or difference that you would want to see in a minor or an adult is ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous. The reality is today that no one is actively getting conversion therapy
32:40
in the way that they did maybe some back in the 50s or 60s or before them. There's no one that's
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being electrically shocked or tied to a chair and forced to look at pictures of dicks until they're
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not attracted to them anymore. That's not happening. That's not happening anywhere that we can that
32:57
we know of whatsoever, right? So it almost has to question, who is this law applying to exactly,
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right? These people are having conversations with therapists. So if you're in 2022 and you're
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going through so-called conversion therapy, you're probably having a face-to-face conversation with
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the therapist, okay? This person would be receiving ideas about how they can alter their desires
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and behaviors, okay? In a Christian context, they're receiving prayer, accountability,
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spiritual guidance. In some cases, they might be praying over them some sort of an intercessory
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prayer. And yes, they are literally in many ways trying to pray away the gay. That's a quote
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you're not allowed to say, right? Pray away the gay. And we should all be fine with that.
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Because I have not heard up to this point, if I'm wrong, I'm okay to be correct and I'll correct
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the record. I've not heard of a single reputable story where somebody was being forced to receive
33:50
this treatment against their physical will recently, okay? This person may not like the treatment.
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It may not always be comfortable. They may not always believe that it will work,
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but they're doing it willingly. These people are not being dragged out of gay bathhouses
34:05
and thrown into a therapist's chair and strapped down. It's not happening, okay?
34:09
Now, I can already hear it. You might be saying, Kyle, I've heard crazy stories of people describing
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their abuse during therapy. I've heard these stories, right? Now, I will say that there were
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stories of camps that were discovered in the United States that were abusing and beating children,
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okay? There were very, very few camps that were these gay conversion camps. You may have heard
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it during, you know, when Mike Pence was with Donald Trump running for president in 2016,
34:33
and how could they dare support these organizations? The thing is, is these organizations were trying
34:38
to help kids, right? But then they was ran by sinful people and they were abusing kids,
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kind of like many other types of camps that have many other types of different affiliations,
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whether that's Boy Scouts or some random survivalist camp for a little kid or something like that.
34:52
There are bad people that are running these camps and they're using their positions of power
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and their physical bodies to harm children, right? That's not a conversion therapy specific thing
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to a Christian camp somewhere in Alabama, okay? And I'm glad that these camps that were abusing
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children physically were shut down. As anybody should be, regardless of how the camp got started,
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regardless of how they're funded, I'm glad that those camps were shut down because those
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kids were being taken advantage of. Again, not in a unique way, just in a normal way that when
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kids aren't with their parents or with any other authorities, sometimes they're taken
35:22
advantage of it. It's horrible and terrific. And a lot of those people should be, should, you know,
35:26
be put in jail and throw away the key, in my opinion. But the problem with the majority of
35:31
these anecdotal stories from these individuals of these people that went through these conversion
35:35
therapies is that these stories can't be corroborated or have even been found out to be false.
35:41
I read several accounts this week as I was preparing for the show that reminded me a lot
35:45
of the race hoaxes that we see today. Yeah, a news appears on a college campus that was clearly
35:51
put there by the grand wizard of the KKK, right? And then they found out, oh, it's a black, it was
35:55
the president of the black student association. They put that out there. They were found out to
35:59
have done that. Some of that, you know, spray paints, the N word on the side of a wall or something
36:03
like that. Oh, they found out it was a black person that did that. You know, all these different
36:07
race hoaxes that we see that, you know, just the small that being the most prominent one.
36:11
But we see these things happen. And they were shocked on the back end. But it's the initial
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story that gets all the coverage, not whenever they find out that it was all BS. That's what
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it seems like with a lot of these stories. Yeah, these people that claim that they had this person
36:23
that absolutely abused them. There was this therapist that wouldn't leave them alone and, you know,
36:27
hurt them. And then it was some, in some cases, the therapist didn't exist. In some cases, they
36:33
found no evidence to suggest that the therapist did any of these things. A lot of these stories
36:37
were made up whole cloth, which only takes away from the people that weren't actually harmed,
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you know, does a disservice to those people, right? Now, I'm going to say something as a
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little bit of an aside here that may initially shock you. Okay. To be completely honest,
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I myself want to ban conversion therapy too. I do. But not the way they say.
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I want to ban the practice whereby we attempt to convert someone from being a person that feels
37:08
that their homosexual lifestyle is wrong into a person that believes a homosexual lifestyle is
37:13
morally appropriate and even biblically supported. I absolutely want to ban that conversion.
37:18
I want to ban the practice whereby we attempt to convert someone from being a biological boy
37:26
into being a biological girl and vice versa. I want to ban that. I also want to ban the practice
37:32
whereby we attempt to convert someone from being a person that is okay with who God made them to be
37:38
and look like into a person that is just a mentally and physically mutilated version
37:43
of their original self. That's the conversion therapy that we should all be worried about.
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Because as far as we know, there aren't little kids being hooked up to electric shock therapy.
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Right? We aren't seeing kids getting those things. But we're seeing those other things.
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We're seeing a kid that expresses something that is outside of the gender binary and then all the
38:04
sudden a counselor is telling them that they are the opposite sex. We have a kid that has same
38:09
sex attraction, but they're young. They don't really know what they're doing. They're not really
38:12
sure what they're sexually attracted to. They don't even understand sexual attraction. But then
38:16
we're giving them a rainbow flag and telling them to march in a parade and to be proud of who they
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are. I'd love to ban that. But to not divert too far, I want to get back to why it's important
38:26
to talk about this. Okay? Because a lot of people might be like, yeah, great. You spent, you know,
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40 minutes talking about this issue. Why should I give a crap? Right? I got stuff to do. I got to
38:34
pay a mortgage. But it's important to talk about for several reasons. The first reason I thought
38:38
of is American churches are in the crosshairs. Because, you know, France is in kind of a post-Christian
38:45
world. Canada is kind of in a post-Christian world. And United States is kind of heading in that
38:49
direction, even though we have quite a bit to hold on to quite a few cornerstones for what we're
38:54
seeing about the faith in the United States. But American churches are in the crosshairs of this.
38:58
There will be more laws like this. There will be lawmakers, especially in blue states that will
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be emboldened by what they're seeing in their favorite European countries and their favorite parts
39:08
of the Canadian government. So we're absolutely going to be targeted as American churchgoers.
39:12
Okay. And the other reason why it's important to talk about this is many American churches
39:19
will fold to the pressure of these laws. 100%. If you don't believe me, go back to 2020
39:27
and all the George Floyd riots and stuff that we saw. How many churches were all too eager to
39:32
bend the knee to Black Lives Matter, the organization, not the phrase, the organization?
39:38
They were more than happy to wear their Black Lives Matter mask on stage. They were more than happy
39:43
to post a black square on Twitter. They were more than happy to welcome in the Marxist ideology
39:49
of Black Lives Matter. They were more than happy to enact versions of critical race theory and
39:56
other critical theories into their sermon content, into some of their outreach. So we're going to
40:02
see a lot of American churches fold to this. And unfortunately, we're probably going to see
40:07
very few that are willing to stand up against it. And also, we're going to see laws regulating
40:13
conversion therapy here in the United States. And we're going to see way more of those. But I
40:17
got to be honest, and this is important. This is why it's important to talk about it. Laws
40:22
regulating conversion therapy are a Trojan horse for laws that will attempt to outlaw biblical
40:28
morality up to and including the gospel. It's not going to stop here. Like, I literally shouldn't
40:35
have to for the remainder of my life, talk about how, you know, the the slippery slope fallacy
40:40
shouldn't be used, especially with people that consider themselves to be generic or secular
40:45
leftists. Okay, because there's always a slippery slope with those people. They're always moving
40:51
the overton window. Again, several years ago, a lot of you guys gave me crap for talking about
40:56
how people on the left are going to start talking to you and trying to convince you that being a
41:01
pedophile is just normal. It's a normal way of thinking just like it's normal to be bisexual or
41:08
homosexual or demisexual or any of those things. It's just a sexual preference. You told me I was
41:14
insane. And here we are. I continue to talk about these stories where we're talking about minor
41:19
attracted persons now. We're not even talking about pedophiles because that sounds too harsh.
41:23
So these conversion therapy laws, again, some people are going to say, no, no, no,
41:28
this isn't about what you're saying. This is about making sure that people are getting
41:31
licensed care and not unlicensed care. See, we just want people to make sure they're getting the best
41:35
care possible. That's what they're going to tell you. That's exactly how they're going to try to
41:38
convince you that all these things are happening, right? That's what they're going to tell you.
41:42
Because don't we want people that are trained in all these secular places where the Bible's not
41:48
allowed? Don't we want more of those people talking to our children? More of those people
41:51
talking to our broken adults, right? It's not going to stop at conversion therapy. We need to
41:56
be realistic. But also for us as Christians, we need to talk about what the Bible says about
42:02
these things because we don't just want to lean on the understanding of man. You certainly don't
42:06
want to lean on just my understanding. I'm just a guy that can read, right? So we need to look at
42:10
this and we'll spend a ton of time here because it's pretty simple and straightforward. What does
42:14
God say about gender identity? For instance, well, let's go to scripture Genesis one 27.
42:20
So God created man in his own image in the image of God. He created him male and female. He created
42:26
them. He's heard a lot of people quote that here recently. Male and female. There's not a spectrum
42:32
described. There's not any idea that we can fluidly move back and forth between one and the other.
42:39
You were created as male or you were created as female. It's in your bones. It's in your DNA. It's
42:45
in your chromosomes all the way down. So that's what the Bible has to say about gender identity.
42:49
It's pretty simple. But then also, what does God have to say about sexual immorality?
42:53
Let's go to the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6 9 through 11, which has been talked about a
42:58
lot here recently. Let me go ahead and read that. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not
43:02
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
43:08
adulterers nor men who practice homosexuality nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor
43:13
revilers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. In such were some of you,
43:17
but you were washed. You were sanctified. You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
43:22
and by the spirit of our God. But then specifically, we need to get into this last part because
43:26
something that I hear a lot, right? It's shocking how much I hear it is that Jesus Christ never talked
43:32
about homosexuality in his earthly ministry. He never discussed it, right? You've heard prominent
43:40
people or used to be prominent people like Carl Lynch, the guy who used to run Hillsong New York
43:44
City. He said this when we was getting talking to Oprah or the view or whatever show he was on.
43:49
And maybe it was Katie Kirk or something like that. He said, Jesus never talked about this issue.
43:53
So I'm not going to talk about it from the pulpit. And guys like him are either ridiculously ignorant
44:00
about what the Bible actually says or they're purposely misleading their flock. Okay. So
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what does Jesus have to say about sexual immorality? Let's go to Mark seven versus 20 through 23
44:10
that will unpack it. And he said, what comes out of a person is what defiles him for from within
44:17
out of the heart of man come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
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coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil
44:30
things come from within and they defile a person. Okay. So that's Mark seven, 20 through 23. I read
44:36
that from the top of the show as well. So listed there, those are the words of Jesus. Those are
44:41
the red letter words of Jesus, right? They see, we see sexual immorality. Some English translations
44:48
say fornications, right? So fornications are sexual immorality. The Greek word used for those
44:54
things, either sexual immorality or fornications or any of the other things that it's been translated
44:58
into is poor Nia or poor Nia. Okay. P O R N E A. Now that may sound like our modern word for porn.
45:05
We do get that as an offshoot. So Jesus spoke in Aramaic and his words were written down in
45:11
ancient Greek and it's been translated and it's gotten all the way to us here 2000 years later.
45:16
Okay. And we can go back to the original Greek. We can go back to the original transcripts to make
45:20
sure that our English translations are saying what it said back in the day. Okay. The audience
45:26
reading the Greek and when they came across the word poor Nia, they would have known this word to
45:32
mean any kind of sexual immorality that you could think of that would have been violation of the
45:38
law at the time. Okay. So that would absolutely include homosexuality, but it would also include
45:44
prostitution, sex before marriage, adultery, bisexuality, transvestism, all the different sexual
45:52
depravities and sins that you could think of would have been included because there are people that
45:56
have tried to look at that word and they've tried to be like, Oh, no, no, Jesus was only talking
46:00
about prostitutes. He wasn't talking about homosexuals by by no stretch of the imagination.
46:06
That's not true. These people are misleading you. Okay. So if you're wondering how you should feel
46:12
about gender identity or sexual immorality, the Bible gives you your answers. The God breeds
46:19
words from the Bible give you the answers you need. And if you're one of those people that are like,
46:24
Oh, Jesus didn't talk about it. I don't need to worry about it. Well, guess what? Jesus talked about
46:28
it. So we've done all this and we're going to crescendo here at the end with how we can be
46:34
against all of this, how we can push back against this darkness. Again, that's what we're here to
46:39
do is to equip you guys to be able to do that. Okay. So a few things. Number one is being informed.
46:44
Ask yourself, did you know all the stuff that I just went through today?
46:48
Is the last 45 minutes of your life? Has this just been a repeat of things that you already knew?
46:54
Because I'm going to assume that's not the case. I'm going to assume that you didn't know about
46:58
the intricacies of Bill C4 in Canada. I'm going to assume that you didn't know about ordinance
47:02
31 21 from West Lafayette, Indiana, right? So you need to be informed. So make sure you're getting
47:08
your news from reputable sources, right? You know, I follow the daily wire, I follow the blaze,
47:13
follow Fox News. Again, these have a very conservative been to it. But unfortunately,
47:16
there's not a whole lot of even independent journalists that are looking at these types of
47:19
things. But even in the research of this podcast, guys, I was reading a lot of news from LGBTQ
47:24
websites. I was getting their view and their perspective, because I would read maybe how the
47:29
daily wire was formulating this particular story. And then I would look at some LGBTQ website and
47:35
I realized they're both saying the same thing. But one side is lamenting this law and the other
47:39
side is celebrating. Okay. So you've got to be informed on these issues if you're going to be
47:43
able to push back against them. The second thing I want to talk about is that you need to defend
47:48
your pastors. Okay. So I said on the 16th of January, you know, thousands of pastors all across
47:53
Canada, the United States, they all in solidarity, even at my church here in Edmond, Oklahoma,
47:58
they stood up in solidarity and they preached about this subject, they preached about homosexuality,
48:02
they preached about gender, and they pushed back against, you know, organizations or countries that
48:07
are wanting to enact laws that would violate people for having these viewpoints and acting on them.
48:12
Okay. Now, a lot of pastors in the United States act cowardly. Okay. It'd be hard for me to say
48:18
that they are individually cowards, but they certainly act cowardly. When BLM stuff was going
48:23
on, they were burning everything all across the country. Very few pastors were getting up and,
48:27
you know, saying that those things were wrong because they were scared, especially mega church
48:31
pastors, right? Especially their pastors that are basically CEOs of their churches. They're not
48:36
actually pastors, right? They're not wanting to talk about these issues, right? They don't want
48:40
to talk about LGBTQ. They don't want to talk about anything in the transgender side of things.
48:44
They don't want to talk about Marxism. They have no idea what critical theory is. They don't want
48:48
to talk about any of these things. But some of these pastors do know about these subject matters.
48:52
They're just afraid to talk about it. Abortion, that's another one. So I would encourage you,
48:56
and I encourage you guys, I say this all the time, tell your pastors that you got their back.
49:00
Go to your pastor and say, pastor, abortion is a horrible scourge. We need to talk about it. You
49:05
haven't mentioned it from the pulpit. I've been going to your church for years. And guess what?
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If slings and arrows come your way, I will step in front of you and take them for you
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and then have a dozen of your friends that go to that church do the same thing with your pastor,
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embolden them to speak up and talk about these issues. Because if you're going to a church that
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didn't even know that these laws are being enacted, that they're going to be flat-footed
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when it's enacted in their state or their county or their town, right? That's not a good thing.
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It's not going to be a good thing for the flock because lamenting something after it's gone into
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place, you're a little late at that point, though the war is passed you by. So you need to be informed,
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but also defend your pastors. Beyond that, you need to speak out before you are forced to.
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So I'm speaking out on this right now. None of these laws are affecting me in Edmund, Oklahoma,
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in the United States of America. None, right? They're bothering me because I'm having to read
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about them and think about them, and then repackage it and give it to you. So it's bothersome,
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but it's not affecting me directly because if my pastor gets up and speaks about homosexuality on
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Sunday, I'm not assuming that we're going to see a squad come in of people that are going to hold
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them down and arrest them and haul them off to jail. But there are going to be people around the
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globe that are going to experience something similar to that. And it's not that far away.
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So now is a really good time to speak out. Let your local Congress people know, hey, I'm not down
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with this. Like if something comes up in the state assembly, if someone wants to put forward a law
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like this, I want you to fight against it. I got your back, you know, embolden them like you would
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embolden your pastor, speak out before you're forced to. And the last thing here, and this is
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really, really important is to categorize your children in the understanding of biblical sexual
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morality. Now, you may not use the word Catechize that often, but Catechize literally just means
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to instruct systematically, especially by questions, answers and explanations and corrections. Okay,
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so Catechize your kids in the faith. You might hear people say something like that,
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but you need to teach them and systematically instruct them how to understand sexual morality
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and gender identity based on what the Bible says. It goes back to the scriptures that I just got
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through talking about not that long ago, right? What does God have to say about gender identity?
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What does God have to say about sexual immorality? What did Jesus have to say when he was on this
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plan about sexual immorality? You need to make sure your kids know that. Because guess what?
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I'm not fully convinced that I'm going to see a national federal law in the United States
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that reflects what we're seeing right now in Canada and France in my lifetime. I'm not sure
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I'm going to see that, right? Culture moves fast. We'll have to see how things go, but I may not see
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that, but I could probably assume that my sons will. They're probably going to see something
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very similar to that. And if they haven't been instructed into the biblical ethic of what we
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should think about gender identity and sexual morality, how can I expect them to push back
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darkness? Because part of the way that you push back darkness, gentlemen, is making sure that your
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kids can't. Because what if you could take it out of the fight? You get sick. You get old. You die.
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Who's going to continue the fight? That's part of the reason why our kids are arrows that we can
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shoot at the darkness that's coming in future generations. It's part of the reason why a lot
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of Christians, a lot of religious people have more kids. They see what's coming and they're like,
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hey, we're going to need more soldiers for this fight. I'm using that term, hopefully, figuratively,
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right? So if you want to know what to do with all this, guys, how we're going to push back
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against this darkness, be informed, defend your pastors, speak out before you are forced to,
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and catacize your children in the understanding of biblical sexual morality.
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All right, guys, before we go, we are going to let you are sorry, messed up my own outro. Here
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we go. Let's do it again. We're going to do a quick resilience boost. Here I am coughing. I'm
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using air quotes the whole time. And then I end up screwing up my own outro. But here's the thing,
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Ordness number 31 21 of West Lafayette, Indiana. You can check that out. I've got a link for the
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Indiana Senate bill 32. I've got a link to a Kentucky today commentary that was written by
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Albert Moller talking about some of the things happening here. I've got a link to the UK government's
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website where they're talking about the open consultation about the new conversion therapy laws.
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Also, I've got that article from Julianna Chan, Erickson that I talked about earlier. And then
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there's an article from the Daily Wire called American pastors stand with Canadian Christians
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preach about biblical sexuality amid conversion therapy ban. Here's what they said. I thought
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that was a great combination of the things that we've heard here about this story.
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