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We just had an absolute ball today because one of the things that's interesting about him is he had a lot of success kind of in that natural kind of Nashville music scene, but pretty early on, you know, well before co I think said 2015, he got out of that world, right? And he just wanted to make music and make content that would glorify the Lord. And he knew he wasn't going to be able to do that if he was chasing tours and, you know, platinum records and stuff like that in Nashville. And in this podcast, we talked a lot about kind of why he did that, how he even got into music to begin with, kind of when he got his first big break, but then we talked a lot about what Nashville is. And so, a lot of people look at Nashville and they love the country music and the boots and the cowboy hats and all that, but there's there's some darkness. There's some extreme darkness in that city. There's darkness in that genre of music. Even though it's, you know, covered in red dirt and wrapped in the American flag. And so, we get into all that. We talk about him transitioning his content to have not only more of a faith message, but also he's getting into cultural topics. He's getting into social topics and he's getting into politics, right? And so on this show, faith, culture, politics, that's what we cover. Not always in that order. Not always a third, a third, and a third. But we talked about his reason for doing that. We talked about some of the issues that you have like while you're raising children, trying to protect them from negative influences, but at the same time, you want them putting stuff into their minds and into their souls that is going to lead to positive things coming out. And then at the end, we started talking about uh a children's book that he just wrote with Brave Books. So, you're going to have to check that out. All that's going to be in the show notes. And then also, we got his country music, Mount Rushmore. Right. So, every time I bring someone on that does something like that, I always try to put them in that type of a deal. But, I really enjoyed my time with Buddy. So without further ado, let's get into it. Buddy Brown, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast. But I feel like we already connected because you just told me your whole family's from Oklahoma. So I feel like we've known each other for forever. [laughter] >> If I got some attitude from, you know, that oy attitude, then you know why? We're going to get along just fine, brother. >> Well, hey, it's not attitude in a bad way for all you slappies out there that don't know what we're talking about because we cuz here's the thing about Okeis. We're kind of a team without a flag. Uh because we're not technically in the South, right? We're not technically in the Midwest and we're not technically in the Southwest. We are in our own area. This place is chaos here. But, you know, we do our best to make it work. But, hey, one of the reasons why you've got a profile, why you do what you do is because of music. Uh, so not only the music that you've made, but just in general, your love of music. So, if we got to start somewhere generically, let's start there. So, where did your love of music come from? And then, you know, how did you specifically get into making it? Yeah, I think you're just when you're a kid, you're either born with music inside of you or you ain't. And that's just one of those things. I don't ever remember being in a car after 2, three years old, four years old, not singing every country song on the radio cuz mama had it playing and dad had it playing and it's just in you. Then the '9s hit. All the uh the grunge rock scene came in. I got a skateboard, man. We were breaking wrist and ankles and all kinds of stuff, jumping off of stuff I should have never jumped off of. So, I I messed with u all kinds of music, but got my first electric guitar after the piano just wasn't cool anymore. But it was one of those things. I told my boys the other night, they're like, "How do you play this?" I said, "I just played by ear, boys." And they said, "Well, how in the world do you do that?" I said, "Yeah, it ain't normal. It's a gift." But sitting around the bonfire, you can't bring a piano to the bonfire and impress the girls. And so I'm a probably a high school freshman seeing a couple boys that were juniors and seniors busting out a a guitar at a bonfire. I'm thinking, man, that's really cool. I got to figure out how to do that. So I picked one up and just did it for the love. And I never thought it'd turn into a business, let alone what we've been able to do. So this was um just a journey. And it's amazing where God took it cuz I was a worship leader in high school and then went to Mississippi State uh where I graduated, led worship at all these different events and um FCA all you know churches all across the state. But if you look at those uh those those Christian voices a lot of times of those high tener voices and you know just real choir type of thing and I'm like man my background's country I don't know how to do that. So maybe God can use it and that's where it went. >> Okay. So I do want to get back to uh some of the country music stuff and all that, but you brought up worship music. So that's been a theme of my show for the longest time because I didn't grow up in church. I I grew up in what I call country music theology, which means you're born in Oklahoma. Uh your grandma and grandpa were good Christians. You were baptized as a baby. You've gone to church here and there. When you listen to music, it's '90s country. When you vote, it's Republican. You wrap everything in an American flag. And God's pro all that stuff. So you get to go to heaven when you die. And so I didn't like grow up with Christian music, with gospel music, any of that kind of thing. But when I started going to church as a middle schooler, I remember sitting there during worship like people like this stuff like specifically uh Christian contemporary music, not hymns, hymns, there's a reason why we've been singing them for hundreds of years. >> But with contemporary Christian music, you know, and I've elucidated it a lot on this show. A lot of times the person singing it is not someone we would necessarily want to emulate. It's at a and I don't know a whole lot about music, but it's at uh it's kind of at a pitch that most men can't hit. It's kind of high. And then if you read the lyrics and you take out the name Jesus and you put in the name Bob, you it's feels like you're singing to your boyfriend and like most guys are like, "Ah, I don't know." And so men all over the place get castigated for hating this music that's being just force-fed to them, right? This it's chorus chorus chorage verse two chorus bridge keychains chorus again and let's make this three minute song 17 minutes long just trying to you know jin up emotion but then guys like me we like things like Christian metal we like Christian country we like Christian hiphop but we don't necessarily like contemporary Christian music and I've had people tell me I'm not saved because I don't you know like the music played on Air1 or any Christian radio or something like that but what's your read because you know you make music you write music you understand how difficult that is and can be, but also you've led worship before. >> My read is as a teenager, it's okay to look over at your kids and say, "They're not connecting." And especially the teenagers that are grown up right now. I'm raising a boy that's 16 and I got one that's uh about to be 17. I look at them at church and visually they they may not look like they're connecting, but I see them at a youth camp where they just went up to North Georgia and I I heard the stories about them sitting around a fire and just worshiping with their with their friends and it was just genuine and it was earnest. I would just tell all the parents just to to be encouraged that it's in there. Um the desire is there, but it's a good thing. This new generation really sees through the crap and they don't want the production. They don't want the fog machines and the lights and they they don't want it. I'm just as turned off by it as well. For seven years now, we've sat in the back row of a church um when we even go because we watch it online and it's just weird. Just people know me and now I can't worship because I'm thinking about that. I have a weird situation. But at the same time, we switched churches 3 weeks ago and it's not a corporate production. It's not a rock concert. It's not being blasted into our ears. What it is is real. And I think we're going to stay for the lone fact that I look at my boys now and they're like, "Man, they they came home. I really like that song." And I'm like, "I'm sorry, what?" [laughter] It's in there. We're We're done with the uh inauthentic stuff. It's got to be real. And if it's real, even if it don't sound right, even if you ain't hitting all the notes, if it's in there, man, and if if it's if it comes from a real place and uh people know that you care about them, I think the worship is about to happen and about to hit in the next 5 to 10 years is going to be the best we've ever seen. >> Well, and I think buddy, one of the things that we've seen with this modern generation is, you're right, their BS meter is so high. If they can like sense inauthenticity, they're just kind of drawn away from that. And look, whatever you're into, you're into. So if you listen to Caleb and you're like, "This is my stuff. I don't care." But like for the guys that listen to this show, a lot of them just don't get it. They don't like it. They But it's it's the only thing that they're shown. But it's like that's you don't have an excuse to not worship. You have you have to worship. You have to find worship. You know, I did, you know, two weeks of the Daily Blade where I showed guys examples of, you know, the Christian genres I just already talked about, but also SCA and indie rock and like folk. And I'm like, "Guys, there's something out there." there. I mean, just recently, so, uh, Alison Krauss and Union Station, that's one of my my favorite acts. Alison Krauss is my favorite female vocalist of all time. Like, she has a song on one of her earlier albums that's basically like it's basically a straightup worship song, but you look at her, it's like, okay, this is a bluegrass band. And so, uh, it's a song, uh, there is a reason. And it's just like you listen to that, tell me that's not worship. But then also I can listen to a a Christian death metal band like Impending Doom and their song More Than Conquerors and I'm like that's a worship song too. But anyway, we'll get out of that. We'll get back to the normal thing. So So for you in music specifically for you, there have been plenty of people that have bought guitars. Then have been plenty of people that have sat there at a piano, but they they never it never clicks. It's not like okay, they don't know that there's something there for them. And then you have people that just try their hardest and they play the guitar every day. they're not that good and there's just something they haven't been touched with that talent. But for you specifically, was there a time when you feel like, okay, it was at this moment I knew something was different? Yeah, I could kind of play stuff by ear. That's unique. That's a gift. That's potentially an anointing. But was there a time when you're like, no, no, like I this is something I'm supposed to be doing. >> I think I just had to work through the the path and start seeing some success because you just don't know. You get up there to Nashville the first time and you open up your guitar case and you're showing these worldclass musicians how to play your song and after about 25 seconds you find out I look completely ridiculous. These guys are the best of the best in the world. I'm just very average at best. Um I still feel like what I did was I've got three Billboard albums sitting back there on the wall. I still feel like I'm completely average. The only thing that ever happened was just this unquenchable work ethic where I was going to make it because a lot of people in Asheville told me I I wasn't going to, which is awesome. I thrive on that stuff. Like, please keep, you know, keep keep it coming. Um, we started getting some success and had two albums debut number one on uh on country music and and iTunes. Um, it's just a I don't think there was a moment. I think I just had to prove it to myself. And um the thing about it is is that wasn't what I ended up doing, which we can talk about, we can get into. But music was I heard a sermon one time that says good can be the opposite of great. I was good at music. I toured around. I was with with all the the best country music artists. I mean, I could drop all their names right now and everybody on here would know all these people. But it just didn't give me fulfillment. it didn't give me um my career where it needed to be. And I still at the end of the day, my wife was looking at me like, I just don't think that country music is what God wants you to do for your life. And that's a lot to hear. That's pretty hard to hear, especially when you had 800 million views. You're like, "What are you talking about? This is working, babe. Don't you see this?" But she was she was dead on. Well, well, so, so what do you So, tell me a little bit more about that because typically, you know, especially for Christians, it's like if we feel resistance, right, or any turbulence, we're like, "Oh, that's God's sign to maybe get out of here." It's like, "No, no, no. Read the Bible." How many of these people just had a nice easily easy life, we're constantly successful, no bumps in the road. Even look at Solomon, you know, super rich, super full of wisdom. Look, by the time he gets to Ecclesiast, everything is vapor, right? Everything is nothing. He becomes a nihilist. And so, like, you hear that from your wife, you've got this success, but what does it mean? Because because it's one thing, you kind of get your big break, you have some success, you make a good living, right? You run it like it's a business, right? It's not just it's not just art. You're not just trying to make art. You're you're trying to make a business to provide for your family and provide, you know, for future generations and all that. But what is something like your wife saying that? Like, how do how does that change your mindset as you approach this? >> She just knew my heart. It's all about what she valued. Um, I really valued being here for my boys in the bleacher years. All the years that they were coming up playing baseball, all the years that they were putting that football helmet on and starting in fifth grade for the very first time that I valued that it was a uh a phone call from my son down in Florida where we were living at the time when I was playing a show in Oregon. Can you be further away than you know Florida and Oregon? I'm going on at 10:00 p.m. that night and he couldn't sleep. So, he calls me and he asked for a bedtime story. you know, in the middle of the night, it's like what, 12:00, 1:00 a.m., [laughter] he just had to talk to daddy, you know, and he's probably five at the time. I used to always tell him bedtime stories, and he just couldn't settle down until he got one. And I had been on the road so much. We uh we had done I don't know, it it was it was well over 100 dates in in a year. And I just said I said, "This is stupid." I guess if you're young and single, if you're 20 if you're 22 and you are unmarried, you can just burn it at both ends. You could do that for quite a while. But when you're married and that's that's my priority at the time. I'm like, man, I just I got to get back to that. But for that to happen, you still got to have a career. This is the only thing I knew how to do. So, how I was like, okay, God, how what's door number three? What does that look like? And I've got uh all this background of being in a ministry. But if you tell a country art, you know, music audience, [laughter] hey, y'all need Jesus. And you start talking like that, you just get preachy. What do they always say to a musician? What's the famous line? Shut up and sing. You're all you're you're all you're good for. All your gifting is is to sing. So do that. Stay in your lane. Don't ever get outside of your lane because you look ridiculous. Shut up. Don't you dare talk about If you say God, say it in a country music concert kind of way. We thank God or or even better at Gar Brooks. We uh you just want to thank the big man upstairs like >> Yeah. Don't say the name of Jesus ever, you know? >> Yeah. Don't you dare say the name of Jesus. Um, so Phil Robertson, God, God bless him, he just passed a couple years ago, came into my life and started kind of being a mentor. And that was the wildest thing in the world. And he helped me for the very first time, coincidentally, perfect during co transition into let's get real. If you're not going to do this anymore, let's let's talk about your faith. You got a lot to say. You got a lot to offer. I really think you can bring a lot of people into the kingdom. here's how you do it without looking stupid, without freaking out about it. And he was like an instruction manual to me. He really was. >> Yeah. Phil uh you know, fortunately I was able to to be his friend uh for several years before he passed. He's a mentor of mine as well. He helped me do some prison ministry stuff. Like I remember talking to him on the phone because I was about to go speak at a prison in Pennsylvania and I know he had spoken at Angola and he gave me the perfect line to speak to these men which was like hey you can be under lock and key but you can still be free and that was the message I delivered to these men in Pennsylvania and in in one day the Lord brought you know about three dozen guys uh to faith. He justified them and imputed them with the righteousness of Christ. And it's like, holy cow. You know, this is just, you know, you want talk about backwoods wisdom, like that's swampy wisdom. You know what I mean? Like with with him from from his region, but for you, I'm just curious because I have a little bit of experience and a lot of this sounds familiar because my buddy Drew Parker, who you know, he had a Nashville deal. you know, he's a songwriter, has done a lot in Nashville, but he decided that, you know, a year or two ago, he wanted to get out of his Nashville deal, you know, doing that whole rigomearroll and the touring and all that kind of stuff because he felt like God called him to make, you know, country worship music. And yes, it is different, right? Because you know how many guys get up at the CAMAS and they thank God or they thank the big man upstairs or they refer to him in their songs. You start saying the name of Jesus, everyone gets a little like squirmy. They're like, "Ah, Jesus, that's a little bit different." Like, when you say God, no one really knows what you mean. And so, it's like, "All right, you know, big guy in the sky that he's either shooting down blessings or lightning bolts. We're not really sure." But then when you start saying the name of Jesus, there's exclusivity in that because at the last supper, he said like, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no one comes to the father except through me." That's very exclusive, and that can be a dramatic thing. And and so for you, talk a little bit more about, okay, you've got this realization, you've gotten some help from the great Phil Robertson, but how do you make that transition? Uh regardless of what the outcome looks like, >> the first time is going to be terrifying. And this applies to everybody watching in your work. Uh all the mechanics watching, the plumbers, the good old boys, the cowboys, wherever you're at, the first time is going to feel so freaking weird that you're going to just everything inside of you is going to pull up on the reins, pull all the horses back with all your might. That being said, I did it and I told my wife that day. I [laughter] said, you know, it was during COVID and we're just getting real. People were sick of fake, right? We're and I was saying I I don't even remember what the message was, but I remember I said the name Jesus and that scared the day the daylights out of me because it, you know, was probably a half million views that that went to. I'm gonna tell you right now, Kyle, I told my wife we're probably going to lose 25,000 subscribers tonight in the next 25 hours. or or 24 hours and I'm totally fine with that. If it happens, it happens. The weirdest thing happened. Nobody left. I mean, you would talk about maybe like a couple dozen. That to me, that's not anybody leaving. And then a few more thousand jumped on and a few more after that, a few more after that. And I would say the name Jesus again. I would drop a Bible verse that I've been praying about, I've been studying, and I would do it again and again and again. And the family got bigger and higher and wider and people started offering prayer request in the comment section. And then it just bled over to this every facet of life where the most amazing thing that could ever happen to a guy like you and me is somebody uploads and they say, "Hey, look, you know, Kyle Thompson just uploaded or Buddy Brown just uploaded." My kids do that for a couple of their YouTube followers and and they're like, "OH MY GOSH, LIKE THIS GUY JUST UPLOADED. STOP EVERYTHING." thing and I said, "Holy cow, like that must be the best feeling in the world." How great would it be though to be in charge with the responsibility of of a family of believers and you have a godly message that you're about to come out with. Whether from my from my point of view, it's going to be country. I all I know is how to express things through a backwoods filter. But how awesome that the believers are getting charged up. So that's what that whole walk and journey looked like. It was terrifying the first time until you realize that's a lie from the devil, man. Everybody's going to leave. Nobody's going to care. You're going to lose revenue. You're going to be cancelled. They're going to think you're a preacher. They're going to think this is just what you do. They're not going to click on your future videos. All those lies are just hilariously pathetic when you look back at it. But that's what we're up against. And I I know everybody watching this, whatever you do with your family, your your community, with your work, you're probably thinking the same thing. And nobody wants to drop the name Jesus. Watch what happens when you do. >> Hey guys, real quick. I know a lot of you train for very specific things. So maybe you've got a mud race coming up, a mountain hunt, a 5K, or maybe you just want to keep up with your kids, or you just don't want to let the old man in. But for a lot of you guys, whether you're working out at the Globo Gym, or even in your garage gym, you get there and you just don't know exactly what to do. And so you just kind of settle for the same old workout routine, maybe some bench press, bicep curls, a walk on the treadmill, and you know, you're not really getting the most out of your workout plan. And I want you guys to stop wasting time at the gym. No more settling. It's time for you guys to get a guide to help you reach your fitness goals. 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Let's say you did lose a significant amount of revenue. God is still good and we can still trust him. I mean, look at Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. It's like, hey, you can throw us in that fiery furnace, right? And they didn't know. They did not know that they were going to be spared from the fiery furnace when they did that. They said, you know, our our Lord is, you know, uh, faithful enough to say, but even if he doesn't, we're not going to bow down to your idol. And I think for a lot of people, especially if you're into country music, you just kind of get sucked into the Nashville machine. And so you you've seen, and we don't have to name any of them, but how many artists have we seen since we've been paying attention to country music that when they went to Nashville, they were just good old boys or good old gals, right? They had faith in Christ. Christ was a center point of their life. It was a center point of a lot of their music. But then you get to Nashville and you just kind of have to do the machine thing, right? It's got to be tractors and dirt roads and pasture parties and beer and all that kind of stuff and sleeping around, right? The the thing that people don't understand is they look at, you know, take a genre that's easy to pick on something like hiphop and you see all the depravity and the overt references to sex and drugs and violence and and all those types of things. It's the same crap at the rodeo, guys. You got the same hoochie mamas. They're just wearing they're just wearing boots with their hoochie skirt. You know what I mean? It's the same temptations and it's the same accusations and lies from the devil. >> And I just I wonder like >> I guess if you got someone listening to this that's kind of on that trajectory. How do you keep from getting consumed by the Nashville machine? Because you know I'm not I'm not calling out guys that are actually Christians that are making music cuz look, you got a guy like Cody Johnson. He's got straight up worship tracks in in his big double albums. He talks about Jesus and it's it maybe not not as loud as some people want him to do it but he's he's you know CMA entertainer of the year and he's he wears Jesus on his sleeve but you know how can someone prevent themselves from being consumed by Nashville >> all six of them that have done it [laughter] >> you know it's a short list >> I will I would tell you I'm not going to drop names but I mean I mentor some of these guys some of these guys that I toured with calling me now saying this place is the most wicked place imaginable can you walk through some scripture with me. I screwed up last night. I did this, you know. And I'm like, "No, no, no. Your your heart's good. You're calling. You're trying to get scripture. You're trying to get prayer. We pray, you know, pray together." You have to understand that on the surface, it is what you just said about 30 seconds ago. It is tractors and beer and pickup truck. But that's just the surface. The real Nashville is demons and idol worship and sacrif. you know, all the all the the most horrible stories you've ever heard about Hollywood and the initiations that come from that are all true. That's all the Nashville stuff. And so, if you wonder why a guy like me backed out and a guy like a lot of people who are unbelievably talented got right to the precipice and just didn't make it, it's not because they didn't have the chops. It's because they saw what was required of them to go further. So, here's my question to anybody wanting to come up through that. Is it worth your soul? I think that's the only question ultimately because you know I've wondered aloud about certain particular artists like why didn't this person hit like this this person maybe if it's a guy they're handsome if it's a gal she's attractive and they got the pipes right either they themselves are a great songwriter or they've got a great songwriting team around them >> but then you have certain acts where it's like my god there's nothing here these these lyrics are hollow they can't even sing Like there's several guys I'm thinking of right now that are some of the biggest names in country music. They can't even sing. They can't carry a tune. >> It's not about that. It's about what were they willing to do. >> Yeah. Go with that. >> That you and I didn't see. What were they willing to do? >> And if they're willing to to and when I say sell your soul, I don't want anybody in the audience thinking I'm I'm talking like metaphorically. I'm I'm being very as as straightforward real as I can can be with this. You do not get to a certain level of of height in Hollywood or um music and sometimes sports. You don't get to a certain level of height without making some agreements. And the more you treat this world like we're not truly up against the, you know, principalities and just demons and with with not just agendas with marching orders against you to take you out. They've studied you. They know who you are, what time you wake up, what what time you go to bed, your strengths, your weaknesses, what sets you off, what makes you feel lonely, what makes you feel weak, what makes you feel vulnerable. They've studied you better than AI could ever describe you. And you're dealing with something like that. And then you get somebody that's talented who's about to have massive influence. What was Lucifer's job in heaven? Speaking of of Nashville, >> he was a worship leader. >> What was his job? Okay. So, he's the final boss of, if you want to say the word final boss, he's the final boss of all that stuff. Now, I'm not saying that you cannot have success and and be and stay a Christian. There's some guys that have figured out how to do it. Um, and sometimes you look like uh Tim Tibo. ESPN, I know for a fact, has uh cancelled some of my buddies because of I think I believe that because they follow Jesus. Timbo is too big for that. They're like, "Look, we got to deal with you, okay? You're you're larger than life, so you're just going to be here." Sometimes God just makes a way. So, I'm not saying um it's impossible, but I I don't want people to think that uh this is all just fluff. This is truly what we're up against. And if you knew what so many of these people were doing on a regular basis, you would never ever buy concert tickets to go see these people on Friday. You're hard on earn money. Are you kid? For these people, it's all actors in ball caps. Sure. They got boots on like I do. They got a ball cap. They're up there. And they may even throw a little twang in there. They're not us. They're dang good actors. You know, the guy that um was a mentor to John Wayne, his name is John Ford. He said, "It's a lot better to take a an actor and make him a cowboy than it is to take a cowboy and make him an actor." What he was speaking to was the authenticity of what you're dealing with. Nashville figures the same thing. It's a lot better to take, you know, easier to take an actor that can sing and try to make him convince you he's one of the bluecollar people who has this massive ability to fill arenas and fill your heads with ideas inside those arenas and worse yet stadiums. The few people who can pack them out that big. There's an agenda. There's an agenda and you don't get there without making some concessions. And uh I hope I hope some people just learn some stuff just now from that because it's very real. When if you look at the narrative of scripture, we see that how Satan operates in this world because he knows he's defeated right at at the, you know, at the resurrection. He knew at that moment, crap, Genesis 3:15, he was talking about this moment. Dang it, I played into all of this. But at the same time, we see that there are just like you would see in a military, there are demons that are in control of particular spaces, right? So if you go to, you know, Ezekiel, you're looking at, you know, references to Persia. That's Iran. There's a demon that's in charge of Iran. So if we look at that, there's a demon that's in charge of Nashville. And I'm not castigating Nashville. If you listen to country music radio and you like all that, like I I don't really care. But just know that because Satan was so beautiful, was so gorgeous, and also was a worship leader, right? He either played instruments or was an instrument. We don't know exactly how all that worked and how all that looked. Why would you not think that he would know how to use music to his advantage? And so I've talked to people like this. They get whipped up into a trance, right? And then that trance is transferred onto their children, right? So I, you know, I I I see these parents in the conservative space and it's like, "All right, they've we're not going to Target. We're not buying Bud Light. We're not taking our kids to Disney. Like, we're not doing, you know, we took our kids out of public school. We're doing private school now. We're home school. We're doing all those types of things." And then they listen to Taylor Swift in the car. >> Yeah. And I'm like, you want to look at an example of agreement? Someone that went from teenage [clears throat] teeny bop Nashville, right? Tons of success Grammys whenever, you know, before they could, you know, I don't know if she had her driver's license yet, but like Grammys at that age. And then you look at the music she's making now. You look at the imagery of some of the songs she's making now, some of the feminist anthems, F the patriarchy, and all this stuff at concerts. And then she has the most successful tour in the history of entertainment, not just music, all of entertainment. And you're telling me there's not some sort of demonic influence there? I think people are just kind of being shortsighted for sure. I mean, and my little nieces go to every single one of their her concerts that they they can get a hold of. Um, speaking of that, my boys came back from a movie last night. I don't even know the movie. It's they said it was awful. And I just want to remind everybody, I don't care what what age you are. If you're 15, 25, or 65, what you put in, My grandpa always said, what you know, trash goes in, trash comes right back out. That's just a fact. They came to this movie and they said it was the most evil, awful thing they've ever seen. They walked out after 15 minutes. I guess I should celebrate the fact that they walked out. You know, they're like, "This this is not for us." But I sat them down on the couch when they got home and I'm like, "Boys, you cannot put that stuff into your body." Trash goes in, trash comes out. I said, my oldest one, 17 years old. He said, um, I'm just going to sleep downstairs tonight on the couch. That's code for I was pretty rattled. That's not who we are. I felt something really evil in this movie. And the movies are just getting more and more sadistic. Just be so careful of what you bring in. And um, I used to pray over my house maybe once a week. Couple years ago that turned into three times a week. Then it turned into every day. And now, and this is not an obsessive level or a demon under every potted plant type of mentality. It's just the fact that I'm a leader. I'm very exposed in the world. So are you. With guys like us and with people who are leading their communities, even if you're leading a small thing, I promise you that covering has got to be there every morning, every night. You'll feel it. You'll feel the difference. all this bad stuff we're talking about it it is feel you know over Nashville or or New York City or LA San Francisco you can feel like the fog the dark fog over it but when you pray that covering over your house in the morning and you pray and you you a hedge of protection for your your wife and kids in the afternoon and you pray the blood of Jesus over your house before you go to bed and you're just walking sometimes I get up at 3 in the morning get a drink of water you pray again it's not a I'm scared something's going to happen if I don't it's a The fragrance of God feels so good and so beautiful. I just can't get enough of it. And I know that it's absolutely imperative for my family. >> When I think as we cuz, you know, I feel like every group since Jesus's resurrection felt like they were living in the end times. Like, you know, right now everything seems crazy with wars and rumors of wars and, you know, a lot of, you know, people that were really into esquetology. They're seeing all this stuff kind of coming together. I feel like Satan is becoming more overt in the things that he's doing because the things he's doing are being accepted. And just look at the example you gave. I'm sure your boys went and saw a horror film. And me and my buddy were talking about this not long ago. >> Horror films back in the day, whenever that is for you, >> they were they were scary because there was some sort of criminal element. Like there's a guy with a chainsaw that's chasing you. There's a guy with an axe that's, you know, breaking into your house. You know who's with the children? They're on the other end of the line. that kind of thing. Now it's just all demonic, right? Gone are the days of the mystery guy out in the middle of the woods that you're trying to run away from. It's all satanic and it's all more overt and we're getting more overt references and culture, you know, cuz there's always been pop stars that have been like, you know, sexually promiscuous and showing that on screen and kind of pushing the boundaries. We've gone way past that, right? We've gone way past that. Like, how can you be a successful female artist right now if you don't show your cleavage, right? if you don't like shake your butt during your concert and those types of things. And I just think that that Satan is being more forward with his tactics. And I think for yeah, I think that's a great word as parents. You can't completely insulate your child from the world, but you can cover them in prayer, right? You can not just pray with them, not just pray for them, but pray over them. Pray out loud. Let them hear you praying. And so, I know this is all kind of getting kind of dark and may feel a little bit weird for people. So, I want to take kind of a hard left turn, but we're going to stay in the world of country music cuz I always like getting people that, you know, grew up a little bit differently, but maybe consume some of the same things. I want Buddy Brown's country music, Mount Rushmore. Okay, so Mount Rushmore, there's only four on there, and there's a bunch of ways you can approach this, but I'm going to give you a chance to think about it because I'm going to give you mine, and it changes, but this is the one I thought of uh yesterday whenever I was putting my notes together. So, when I'm putting together a Mount Rushmore, it's hard to just say, "Okay, these are the four greatest or whatever because there's so many different eras. There's been so many different things that have kind of moved up and down." So, this is how I approach the Mount Rushmore. If I got to go with someone old school, this is pre-190s and I can only pick one. Give me Johnny Cash. Yes, he bleeds over into folk. He bleeds over into some other areas, but give me Johnny Cash. Now, if we take the best era of country music, which in my opinion is 90s country, >> give me Vince Gil. Give me Vince Gil. Okay, his songwriting, his voice, people are going to be mad. What about Gar Brooks? What about George Straight? Nah, give me Vince Gil. Now, if we take the modern era >> and I'm going to take Chris Stapleton because of his singing, his songwriting, and specifically he kind of blends genres. He's got some blues elements, some rock elements, but he's filling up stadiums on tours with country music fans. And like that's kind of the thing. It's kind of hard to go against Chris Stapleton. And then if I could take one female vocalist, I've already mentioned her. Give me Alison Krauss. So that's my Mount Rushmore country music. Johnny Cash, Vince Gill, Chris Stapleton, and Alison Krauss. So I've delayed long enough to give you some time to think through and you can come up with it however you way you want to do it, but we need four names. Buddy Browns, Country Music, Mount Rushmore. Ready to go. >> Okay. First off, Randy Travis. I mean, >> to me that there's never been a voice like him. >> Love him. >> Uh, but from my roots, it's very outlaw and I just always respected those guys. I've watched the Highwaymen more than I could ever express. So, out of those guys, I always just related to Whan Jennings the most. Um, some of the stories, >> for some reason, I thought you were gonna say Christopherson for whatever reason. But, okay. Yeah, of course. Wayan Jennings. >> Well, it's the stories. It's the uh it's the way I would who would I hang out with of all four? Who would I relate to? The stories that they've told about Whan and and how he was like he would give you this shirt off his back. But if you crossed them like we got we got [laughter] problems. >> We got issues, >> you know. Um so Whan for sure. Whan Ren Travis I just don't think you can get country music better than King George, you know, going back to George Straight. >> He's always just been incredible. And uh and recently um I I don't know about a fourth because we have 150 that could fill that slot. If you're going to talk about a fourth, I think you'd have to go um >> I mean you can take the easy way out that I did. It's like, okay, let's just pick our favorite female uh vocalist to go on there so the ladies the 5enters don't get mad. This is going to surprise a lot of y'all. If I'm pick my favorite female, it's going to be um Winona Jud. >> Her the the Juds. If you go on your Spotify and go just type in the Juds or Winona Jud, you will freak out at how many massive hits we were all singing all through the uh late 80s, early 90s, all all the way down the road, just pure smooth country music. And I've always loved her. >> All right. So, uh, now with that, okay, well, I'm not going to make you do a Mount Rushmore, but are there some people in country music right now that you you really you really like? They're they're kind of newer artists. Maybe they haven't like really exploded, but maybe one day they will be in the conversation for You got nobody. >> I don't listen to country music anymore, man. Uh, the last time I listened to anything country, like actually on the radio was about 2015. >> Yeah. I just don't turn it on anymore. I my actually my boys ride in silence. They're like, "You have the most awesome stereo system in your truck and you just It's pure silence every time we get in here." I said, "That's because I have ADHD, man. I I've got 22 voices up here. I need them to all shut up so I can hear God." And I just don't listen to hardly anything. If I do, it's um it's uh Sirius XM like Lithium or uh Hair Nation, the [laughter] the8s rock >> because because I'm not I'm not occupially related to that. I don't have memories of that. I don't have memories of meeting my hero and he turns out to be the biggest jerk in the world. It's just so tainted for me and especially the way country changed after about 2015. It's not country anymore. So, I just never listen to it. Every now and then a song will come across like a Cody Johnson when somebody will send this to me. I'm like, man, this is amazing. Wish I still listen to it, but I don't. But I support that. >> So, who was your hero? Who was the jerk? Are you going to tell us? You going to leave us in suspense? >> I'm going to I'm going to keep it classy man. >> Okay. after we stop recording, you'll have to tell me and I'll just keep it between us because I'm curious because I I had a very very similar experience with like my favorite band, my favorite vocalist of all time and then you meet them, you think they're nice and then afterwards it's like >> part of the thing is yeah the the old adage don't you know don't ever meet your heroes like that. That kind of makes sense. But at the same time, >> you know, when you start meeting some of these people, you the salt of the earth people are the people you love. Like the people from Skillet, like all the people in that band, like I mean John and Seth and and Cor and Jyn, they are the greatest. They're the greatest people. They're so genuine. How they are with the fans is how they are when the fans aren't around. I spent a lot of time with them in their dressing rooms, on their bus, and all that. And they are just they are just the absolute best. And it just it doesn't it make you like the music more? You probably like the music before you met him, but now you're like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to pay attention to you even more because I know you only get like 1/100th of a penny every time someone streams it." But it's like, "Hey, I'll stream that." as opposed to this, you know, band full of [inaudible] that, you know, are doing this and they hate their fans. They hate that they have to tour, but they do it anyway. So, I totally understand that, but I am a little bit concerned with you saying, you know, the outlaw side of things and all that. So, have you missed Coulter Wall entirely? Cuz if you shut it off at 2015, do you even know who Cter Wall is? >> He's one of the ones I told you that that I get sent to me and I'm like, "Oh, man." Like, "This is >> Oh, you said you said Cody Johnson." And I I I thought I heard uh I thought you said Cody Johnson, but yeah, Cter Wall, like that's >> he's uh Cultter Wall and Cody Johnson. Like I say, a few a few cross my text messages from time to time, but even with that, the disconnect is just is too great, you know I'm like that's an amazing song but I used to listen to that song 400 times throughout the the rest of the day 10 years ago and now I I just kind of move on because uh my my mind is elsewhere. So it's funny how God will just kind of take a direction and just say um you're not doing this anymore or I'm just pausing it right now. You know um we got a concert offer in Iowa this morning. I open an email and I love those guys. I had the greatest time with those guys but it's on my son's birthday. Not going to miss that. And it's also just I don't know, you know, when when they graduate, I might get right back after it, but right now it's on pause. And if I can um have the the privilege to tell people about Jesus through this channel that we, you know, 1.2 million subscribers, who the heck am I to have that responsibility, that's what fires me up, man. That's what I want to think about all day long. That's what I want to prepare for tomorrow. And that's when you know that you're in the place you need to be in, >> man. And yeah, and I think it's great to kind of hold out hope for some of these artists. What's that gal that just won American Idol? Uh, Hannah Harper. I mean, she's she's singing about Jesus in front of all these people and I mean, you see people in the crowd on American Idol with their hands up uh in worship and all of that. And so, hopefully she stays true and it's good to kind of root for those people. But, you know, you mentioned like you and I have a lot of crossover because, you know, for me, I have a six-year-old and a four-year-old, so slightly different. So, we're not even in the bleacher uh side of things where it's like, okay, that's your entire summer spent in the bleachers. But I'm just trying to operate now to where when I get there, saying no is just really easy, right? And so I say no to a lot of speaking engagements because it just doesn't fit. It either doesn't fit the schedule, you know, they they can only, you know, pay a very small amount for the speaker fee. And it's like, look, it's just not worth being away from my family for a day or two or three, you know, to to go and do this. And it's not because I don't care about you. It's not because I don't care about the guys in your congregation. It's not any of that. It's just like that's not my primary responsibility, right? Uh on this planet, I'm to love uh to love Christ. I'm to love my wife as Christ, love the church, and I'm to raise up my boys and the nurture and admonition of the Lord. And then you get into all the other stuff, right? You know what you're put on this uh world, you know, earth to do from a work perspective. I was put on this planet to p equip men to push back darkness, right? So that's what I do with this show. It's what I do with my ministry stuff. It's what I do with the Daily Blade. And that's that's what I'm here to do. Everything else has to be subservient to that. Because if I'm having issues with that now, it's not going to get easier, right? If if my profile continues to grow, if your profile continues to grow, you're only going to get more of those emails. You're only going to get more of those opportunities to miss birthdays. Ah, it's just it's just another week's worth of games that I'm going to be missing to be gone. You have to make that decision early. But another place where we have a lot of overlap is faith, culture, politics, right? That's what I cover on this channel. That's what I cover, you know, on the podcast when I go and speak. And so you kind of you've got the music thing. Okay, we're getting out of the Nashville machine. We're doing this independent thing. We're going to do music. But then it's like, hey, >> let's go ahead and stick our foot in the other hot waters of this planet, which is, you know, culture and politics. So, talk Yeah. Talk about the decision to do that because you get a lot of kind of dunderheaded, soft-headed Christians that are convinced by our secular culture that, hey, hey, hey, don't bring your Jesus into politics. You can do your Jesus thing over there. I just don't want to hear about it, and I don't want it to be in politics. But it's like, hey, if we're supposed to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength, don't you think that politics and how we're able to push back in the areas of politics, doesn't doesn't that get included in those things? So, talk about your decision to really start pushing into those other areas. >> Yeah. I had a great friend of mine, he he said the same thing you just said, should Christians get involved in politics? He goes, "Bunny, don't you know?" I said, "No, what?" He said it was politics that got Jesus sent to the cross to begin with. And I know it was our sin, right? I mean, I'm not arguing that apples and oranges. I'm just saying what happened with Jesus where he actually got sent to the cross. It was all political. It built up like this incredible crescendo all through the gospels. And if that's part of what he went through, it's definitely got to be part of what we went through. And coincidentally, when I got into politics, it was right around Joe Biden's term, 2020. Also, we're looking for s, you know, searching for meaning, searching for any kind of purpose whatsoever. What is going on with this guy? He says he wants to open the borders like wide open. He's not going to punish the criminals. Like, what what's happening? So, there was a lot of just from a Christian faith perspective, a lot of material there. I didn't even feel like I was talking about politics. And then it just turned into um just trying to create an atmosphere on my channel where I drop the tailgate and I talk to you like my best buddy, right? We're sitting here by a bonfire and it's nothing else but that. There's no production. I have recorded every video I've ever done in my life on a cell phone. Okay. Everybody I go to, they got $30,000 cameras. I'm like, it's a cell phone. Um I'm on a I'm on a truck. No, it's not a green screen. Couple videos ago, I took a shotgun. I shot behind my truck because somebody thought it was a green screen. I said, [laughter] you know, I didn't know green screens were bulletproof. Look, it it was it's just real and it's talking to you like a friend, talking to you like a buddy. Um, but politics, you have to be involved. Your pastor has to be involved, especially if it affects our freedoms, especially if it affects the institution of the family. If they're tearing it down, they're if they're coming after it with this demonic, you know, attack and you just say, "I'm going to ignore that because it's political, your your kids are the ones that are going to suffer. Your grandkids are going to be the ones that get it the short end of the stick." So, you got to be involved. >> Well, and how are Christian buddies supposed to be salt and light, right? If salt loses its saltiness, if it's only worth, you know, worthy being cast out and trampled underfoot, like, it's it's of no value. And here's here's actually the question buddy that I ask you know Christians cuz you know I'm not always aggro and arguing and all that when I'm in you know a onetoone diatic communication environment with somebody like I'm not trying to embarrass them but I am trying to get them to think differently. If I get a Christian that fervently believes like in the Benedict option like okay I'm just going to have my Christianity stuff over here. We're going to be outside of culture. We're just going to have our own things going on over here. I'm like hey are you comfortable with only atheists running the government? Like is that what you want? This goes back to 2016 whenever I first started supporting uh Rubio, Marco Rubio, because he was, you know, in the run-up to the the 2016 election, like he was trying to win the Republican primary. Of course, Trump won and you know, here we are in history downstream of that. With Marco Rubio, he had an atheist at a town hall meeting stand up and ask him a question. He goes, "Look, I'm an atheist. You're a Christian. You talk about it all the time. How how can I feel comfortable voting for a guy like you or something like that knowing that you fundamentally disagree with with what I think which is that basically we're all highly evolved chimps have figured out language pants and fire somehow everything came from nothing time space and matter out of timeless spaceless immaterial beginning how can I be down with the Jesus guy and Marco Rubio gave the best answer ever he goes you better hope I legislate like a Christian does >> because the idea of human worth of protecting the vulnerable providing for human flourishing. We don't get that from an atheistic worldview. We get that from a biblical Christc centered worldview. And so in his answer, he wasn't castigating the guy. He wasn't calling him a fool for being an atheist. But he was just basically saying like, "Hey, brother, even if you don't believe what I believe, you love living in a country that at least was founded on that type of doctrine because we don't get the world that you want from the worldview that you hold to." That's beautifully said and I could I could get behind anybody with that type of mentality. I just have never been a card carrying Christian. You either live it out or you don't. And I think something beautiful happens when you're 40. How old are you right now? >> I turned 40 in August. >> Well, congratulations. I'm 44. Something beautiful happens when you're 40. And that is you just stop caring about what anybody thinks about you. If if you're a man, right? But if you're going to see if you're going to call yourself a man, especially if you've had accomplished some things that you're pretty dang proud that you accomplished of yourself, like man, thank you, Lord. Like, you walked me through that whole thing. We we accomplished it. You kind of get to a point where I just don't care. In a small group at church, in the bleachers, um, on a podcast like this, I'm going to tell you what I tell you with love, but I also don't care if you like me or go home disagreeing with me or nothing like that. What a crazy way to live life is. Does everybody like me? Who cares? If you're real and if you're authentic, that's all that should matter. If you're serving Jesus, that's all that should matter. And dad gam it, speak up. Speak up when your church is about to go a bad direction. When your church is about to take on some some, you know, celebrate Pride Month or something like that, you know? You're just speak up. Oh, I'm going to be the only one. And you're a man, ain't you? I just I've never understood that. And maybe a lot of people aren't like us with some oy DNA, but they should be because if there's any trait we could pass on, it's it's and you please don't wait till you're 40. I say that, but if you're 32 and you know what you know you're led by the Holy Spirit to say or do something, say it. Say it. Oh, they're not going to like me or or I don't want to make waves. Why not? It's not about making waves. It's about staying obedient. Don't you want to stay obedient? Because every time I get out of obedience, I'm looking to the sky going, "That lightning strike's going to come any any time now." Because he expects a lot of me. And I want to make him proud. I want to be obedient and stay in that fire just running the race. It feels like crap when I get out of the fire. It feels like crap when I've been obedient. I'm like, "Lord, I'm sorry. I repent of that. I had a chance to speak up and I didn't. Or I had a chance to go here and I sat my lazy butt at the house because I prioritized something. And I, you know, that was less important. That feeling right there, I would just tell everybody, sit with it. Absorb it. Learn to hate it. My prayer for my boys is just Lord, make them allergic to all of the evils of this world. Make them allergic to promiscuous women. Make them allergic to alcohol. Make them allergic to all the things that would hurt them. I mean, I'm not talking metaphorically, physically allergic. I want them to get in the presence of a promiscuous woman and just be like, "I'm disgusted by you. She was a 10 on my Instagram page, but now in person, she's not even a one because I see her character. I see her black soul. That should be the prayer. >> Well, buddy, yeah, absolutely. If you're going to say it, say it with your chest. I can't stand these guys that like to kind of pick around the edges. If you're going to be the guy to stand up, stand up. And look, here's the thing. We're we're called to speak the truth in love. >> Yeah. >> You can't do that unless you do both. >> People love focusing on the love part, but guess what? If you don't tell people the truth, you don't love them. So, uh, Pin and Teller Pinglet is the the outspoken guy in that he's an outspoken atheist. He had a perfect quote back in the day. He's like, for Christians to not evangelize, what they're actually communicating is that they hate me. Because what I appreciate and what I respect is when a Christian tells me, "Hey, Pin, there is a God. He did create everything. He created you. He loves you. who loves you so much that he sent his son down to earth to die to pay your sin debt that you owe so that you could have the righteousness uh of Christ imputed to you. And he's like, "But if if you don't actually share that with me, you you hate me because if you think I'm wrong, you're and you don't tell me, that's not a loving act. That's a hateful act. >> That's hardcore, man. That is hardcore truth of it right there." >> But it's real life. >> You got to say it and you got to say it with your chest. So, uh, before we, uh, get you out of here, you not only do you make some country music, you make some YouTube videos, you make people laugh, you make them cry, especially whenever they disagree with you, but you are also now a children's author. Look at you. Uh, you did a book with Brave Books. I think you got it there. Let's put it up there on the screen. Yeah. Ain't No Wi-Fi in the woods. And so, uh, I bet you're uh, you're a middle school English teacher. Never thought you'd be a published author. And yet, here you are, Buddy Brown, published author. So, you know, why why do this? Why write a children's book? >> This is somebody was saying the other day, "Did you write Ain't No Wii in the woods cuz this is your reading level, like you know, 6 years old." I said, "Yeah, you got me." No, this is the all this is the same illustrator of um the books of Winnie the Pooh. Look at those big old fat happy trees in the hills. You see it now? >> There you go. >> That's the Poo. >> And um that was so cool to get hooked up with with him, Gary Joins. This is just a story about a boy and his grandpa finding God in the woods because that's my story, man. I like I told you earlier about sitting in the back row of the church and just kind of just trying to be low-key. When I'm praying and when I can get all the voices out of my head walking through the woods, that's where I find God. So, I was thinking when when Brave Books reached out to me, do you want to do a children's book? I never thought in a million years I would do something like this, but I said, can we tell the story like I want to tell it? And they let me have complete liberty to do that. It is going to be amazing for these kids. I mean, we've we've had so many parents reaching out and saying that and saying the uh the activity book, the activity book that comes with it right here. It's got all kinds of crazy stuff inside that are designed to literally keep your kids outside. I had one parent say, "My kids's been outside for 9 hours. You've created a problem." you know, he won't come back inside cuz it forces you to collect a bunch of stuff. And you get a point system for um how many if you find like a fire ant bed, that's easy. One point. A ladybug, three points. Um if you see a red tail hawk, that's five. If you find a snake skin, 50 points, >> man. >> And so that's a that's a real life thing that my grandma gave me to get rid of me and get me outside. So, we made a just like a a very beautiful professional point system for kids to just go collect stuff outdoors and they'll keep this stuff for months before they fill it up. So, that was the idea. It hit and landed so perfectly. Probably one of the best quality books I've ever held in my hands in my life. Brave Books just does such a amazing job. So, that was the uh that was the emphasis and goals. And you can get this at uh buddybrbook.com. Get the wilderness guide that goes with it. But, uh, dude, it's just been the coolest experience ever cuz I never thought I would do something like this. >> That's right, man. Hey, guys, you can check that out in the show notes. It's right there. But, buddy, it's been great to connect with you. Obviously, I'm I'm a fan of what you're doing and kind of the direction that you're going. But for now, that's all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? >> Fan of you, too, brother. Keep keep that fire and I appreciate it, man. We can feed off of each other. Iron sharpens iron. God bless you, man. >> That's right. You, too. There you go, guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Buddy Brown. But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost. had a daunted life. Our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience. So, I've got some links for you. 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