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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Hi guys.
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Today I've got a special guest on the podcast.
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I'm Brian Sumner, so he was born in Liverpool, England, and he made a name for himself in
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the UK as a skateboarder, and then he became a professional skateboarder, came to the United
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States to the age of 15 to join Tony Hawk's birdhouse skateboards teams.
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I mean, guys, this guy had an amazing career.
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He came at the right time.
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This is really when skateboarding was exploding in the United States and really all over the
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world.
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And he had a very successful 20-year career skateboarding.
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But at kind of the height of a skateboarding fame, he got married, had a kid, his marriage
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fell apart, and he has this really great story of how God kind of saw him through that moment
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because he actually set out on a journey to prove that life was meaningless, that there
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was no God.
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There was nothing like that.
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And as with a lot of guys that said how to do something like that, God snatches them
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up.
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And now he's an evangelist, a pastor, a speaker.
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He's the host of the Foolishness Podcast, and he's also the author of a marriage book
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called Never Fails Marriage Book.
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And guys, this was a really, really, really fun interview.
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Okay.
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We talked about some cool stuff off air, and I'm like, man, I need to go ahead and start
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hitting record so we can get into all this.
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We spent a lot of time talking about MMA.
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He knows a ton about MMA.
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He knows a bunch of MMA fighters personally.
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You know, I asked him who he thinks the goat is and all that.
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We get to talking about jujitsu because he's been trained in jujitsu a lot now.
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Now that he's not skateboarding as much, we talk about his family.
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We really go into a lot of detail about that time and his life when he was suicidal and
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God literally pulled him out of all of that and showed himself to him.
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And you know, it was just an amazing time of his life.
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And that's really springboarded him into the career that he has now.
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He and I are probably going to be doing some more stuff down the road.
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So I'll keep you guys up to date and up to, up to stuff with all that.
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And it's going to be a lot of fun.
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I can just tell you guys, but you're really, really going to enjoy this interview.
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I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Brian Sumner.
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Welcome done.
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Daunted life of man's podcast.
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Hey man.
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I'm stoked.
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Excited.
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Jump in and hang out with you today.
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Ready to go.
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It was a lot of fun.
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And I just got to tell you to our audience, I'm so sorry.
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I didn't hit record like 10 minutes ago when we first started talking because we basically
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did like an entire podcast about a bunch of awesome stuff, but we're going to get into
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a lot of different subject matter today.
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I'm really appreciated to have you on, but probably the most important place to start,
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the most generic place to start is kind of how your name became more relevant around
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the globe.
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And that was because of skateboarding.
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And so you are one of the few people on the planet that made a career out of skateboarding,
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right?
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A lot of people want to, a lot of people pretended to, a lot of people would like to think they
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could do that.
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But most of your career, you were known for being a skateboarder.
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So let's just start generically as possible for a kid growing up in Liverpool, England,
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what got you into skating and how'd that kind of like project you on into doing it professionally?
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Well, I guess even knowing your audience, I'll hit on some funny trigger points.
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And what got me into skating, believe it or not listeners is the movie, Police Academy
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4.
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You know, I'm a kid in England, America's kind of making its way over, you've got married
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with children, the Simpsons, the WWF, the Police Academy movies, for whatever reason
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were huge.
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I watched that film, saw the skating.
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I thought it was all Hollywood and stunts, you know, jumping trash cans, grinding stuff,
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whatever else.
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Then I'm on vacation in New Jersey, my first time in America, and I've seen a guy all
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the way up a cave outside the surf shop.
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I was 12, 13 years old.
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I fell in love with skating.
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And so literally for me, going back to Liverpool, which, you know, we joked around earlier,
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prior, we'll jump into that, but Liverpool is kind of like a rough city.
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You know, a lot of unemployment, it's a docking place, it was one of the most famous cities
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in the world at one time, a lot of kind of violence, aggression, craziness, but it's
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a big loving city at the same time, it's kind of crazy.
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I was getting into some bad stuff, skating showed up in my life at the right time.
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It kind of gave me a different life where, you know, you had different friends, you focused
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on different things, even a different fashion sense.
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It was all influenced from America, you know, baggy clothes in there.
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So there I am in England, you know, book tooth kids, having no clue about life, finding
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skateboarding, and that became my religion.
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So yeah.
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Well, let me, let me kind of play into that a little bit because obviously we talked about
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Darren Till and Patty the Batty and some people that you kind of ran around with are people
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that if you were living back in jolly old England, that you would be, you know, you know, going
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around and hanging out with friends with them all.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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So let's, let's say you didn't find skateboarding or let's say you did what I did the first time
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with the skateboard when I tried to go down a driveway and it skidded out from underneath
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me and I landed on my butt and I'm like, I think I'm going to stick to baseball.
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I think baseball might be my sport.
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What do you think would have happened in your life or like, where do you think your life
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would have turned?
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I know we're just kind of pretending we have no idea, but crystal ball at forming.
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That's a really interesting question because if you were in school at 11 12 13, here's
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what's happening, are older brothers and sisters are starting to take acid, starting
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to do drugs and the prodigy, ecstasy, the rave scene and all that house music stuff.
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You know, I'm 42.
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So I'm older than darn till obviously way older than Patty the Batty.
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I wouldn't have known them, but I'm saying darn till they're the street over for me.
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Patty the Batty is in that area.
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My friends are friends with them to this day.
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And so for me, there's you and me in school.
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What would we have done?
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We would have either probably started getting into some drugs, partying, raging, you know,
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people don't get this.
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It's a lot around the world, but Liverpool, obviously the Beatles, it's such a music town.
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The Bob Marley Pink Floyd kind of Jimi Hendrix smoking weed hanging out lifestyle.
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It's there.
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So either I would have gone into that, which I think I would have ended up, you know, when
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I have been a guy on drugs doing crazy stuff, or I was super passive aggressive as most
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people in England are.
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I joke when I'm preaching, especially that we're all soccer hooligans.
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Everyone's so ready to go that you're almost like passive aggressive anyway.
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If I could have gone back, I would have gotten an MMA for sure.
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I mean, that's my vice.
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I love it.
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And I'm thankful for skating, but I'm just saying Liverpool, a lot of my friends are dead
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or in jail, got in gangs, or got away from it all and just lived the casual life.
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So for me, it probably would have been way worse than if I'd started skating to be honest.
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Yeah.
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It's an interesting thought experiment because I grew up in kind of a rough town in Southwest
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Oklahoma, you know, military town, but also a lot of proud people that lived in that area
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very diverse.
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And so, you know, I could have, you know, gotten mad when I was 13.
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My parents got divorced and you kind of went that crazy path.
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And the thing is, is we all have parallels that we grow up with.
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And so you kind of see like, if you would have studied harder, you kind of would have
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gone this path and been more like this kid.
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If you would have just fallen completely off the radar, you would have kind of gone this
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way.
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And around that same time is whenever I became a Christian, so it's like, okay, you're learning
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how to become a man, learning how to become a Christian.
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And I definitely want to get more into kind of the whole manhood side later.
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But I guess the curious thing.
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So I don't want to, you know, divert too far off of skateboarding.
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Yeah.
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I mentioned baseball earlier, the gap between being really, really good at baseball and being
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a professional is like as far as the East is from the West because I mean, some of the
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best baseball players I've ever seen with my own eyes didn't get to, you know, the middle
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of the minor leagues, right?
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So in the world of skateboarding helped me understand as a non skateboarder, but a kid
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that grew up watching the X games and do tour and all those types of things.
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What is the difference between a kid that's just a good kid that, you know, rides his
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board around LA and all that versus somebody that makes a living at it?
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Honestly, I would say it's almost like circumstance.
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And here's what I'll qualify for the listeners.
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I grew up on Bruce Lee, you know, people getting in the fights, craziness.
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I mean, my dad will be cutting wood in the attic doing whatever and he would have a punching
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bag with carpet in it or paper, you have me hitting it, saying numbers out loud, watching
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Bruce Lee films, not because he wanted me to get in a fighting or not.
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I just liked all the movement and everything.
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So now I'm 12, 13, right around the age.
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I'm skating.
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And again, this question, it just makes sense.
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I'm reading the Dow G. Cundo, I'm reading all of Bruce's books, I'm hearing about philosophy
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and all these minds that of course he grew up around and hearing and the influence of
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it, man needs to culture and all the rest of it.
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And so he, his writings literally said, martial arts or Kung Fu.
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This is the art, the craft, the vehicle that shapes you.
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I heard that and I thought, okay, skating is what shapes me.
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That guy in the woods or the chopsticks who catches a fly, you know what, he said about
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catching the fly, it's that's his focus and Bruce's focus was martial arts and my focus
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was skateboarding and I'm saying that to say, I literally said, okay, it's either getting
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high partying, raging on drugs, craziest like my friends, or I just aim at this skateboard.
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This is all I know and my OCD, my focus to summarize what you're asking me.
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What's the difference?
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I was in the right place at the right time.
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There was a couple of skaters that came out of Liverpool and England guys like Jeff Rowley,
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Tom Penny, very famous, skating made its way over to America and they were looking back
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to England and say, who could be next?
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Well, right then I'm hitting, you know, puberty, I'm a teenager, I'm skating six, seven hours
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a day, I'm winning contest, I'm in the magazines, I was just so conditioned that I was better
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at performing than people, but what I say I was way more talented, no, but there are
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people that are just, that the skaters today, even when you bring it to MMA standard when,
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you know, Conor McGregor talks about talent or not and all the rest, there's guys like
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Shane O'Neill when they skate, but I can never do certain things that they do, but my
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hard work got me known enough where when I had black hair and I was kind of a bit darker
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and I wasn't a believer and I have an English accent and my pro shoe as the Union Jack on
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and I ride for Tony Hawk, Brian Sumner's name is going to be everywhere.
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Would I stand out on a course skating around shore, but the gap it varies, but a lot of
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it was timing, what town were you in, you know, for you, you might have missed out because
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you were in California with me, but if you came out and hung out with me and stayed on
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the couch, oh, who's this guy from Oklahoma, oh, he can do these five tricks, hey, here's
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a photo and then it's up to you to take it so hard work matters.
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I don't think I was, I think my kids are way more talented than I am, right, and you only
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need to look at guys like BJ Penn and people, you know, Marcelo Garcia, there's things about
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them that are just, you know, the prodigy, it was very different.
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So when they just move different, and so like you could, you know, you could blackout BJ
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Penn in a grappling match and figure out it's BJ Penn when he gets into that rubber guard
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or something like that.
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And I was thinking as you were saying that, like everybody knows what Tony Hawk looks
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like, but like Bucky Lassick was a guy that I was like, he just looks different when like
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his moves are just different yet his own style and super positive.
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But you know, on Tony Hawk, he's amazing, Bucky is shocking.
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One of the best to ever do it, but not as famous as Tony.
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Right, and I mean, great on the vert ramp and kind of when Tony wasn't really doing vert
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competitions anymore, Bucky was kind of cleaning up.
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And so, you know, I'm trying to, you know, keep everything straight in terms of timing.
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But with Tony Hawk, the cool thing about him is like, you were riding for Birdhouse, right?
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And so that was Tony Hawk's company and he was the name brand, he was the Michael Jordan
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of skating.
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But I guess here's the thing is there are a lot of people that are famous for being good,
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but they're not the best, right?
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So I'm trying to think of a good example.
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So maybe Conor McGregor is it.
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I'm a big Conor McGregor fan.
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He's not the best 155 pounder ever, but he's certainly the biggest.
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He's the one that, you know, the world revolves around, you know, three weight divisions kind
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of revolve around whatever he tweets, right?
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But I guess give me an idea how good is Tony Hawk?
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Like we know about the 900.
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We know the video games.
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How good was he really Tony's that good Tony is shocking and Tony, you know, he'll tell
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you he was the nerdy kid that they made fun of because he just mastered tricks and then
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skating caught up and see I kind of have like Tony pride in a way where people look down
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on him because he did the McDonald's thing, the bagel by things, all the rest.
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He sold out and blah, blah, blah.
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But see, real integrity is doing what you want to do.
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So Tony was like, hey, I want to do this.
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I want to take skating beyond that.
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We would go on tour and Tony's probably way older than I am, you know, and we would go
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to a demo and he would drop into like a 540 and he just did like the craziest amount of
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tricks on his birthday.
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So I don't know that anyone's ever done as much for skating, obviously like a Rodney
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Mullen or someone, but Tony is that good where every time he skates, it's crazy.
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Now, is he going to do Nollie backside flip body jars like Bucky?
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Is he going to do frontside 360 heel flips turn them with it like Bucky?
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No, but Tony's going to skate that good every time to your point.
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Conor McGregor, is he going to be a better wrestler?
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You know, come from Oklahoma, no way, his wrestling, English guys, we did Bisping out
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great wrestling.
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He had to work on it.
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The darn till he had to work on it, you know, when he was with Kelvin, obviously one thing,
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but I'm saying, Connor had that left.
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No one knew what he could bring yet.
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He had those few moments where the first few fights, he tagged everyone with that left.
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He had a very Bruce fencing style that opened the door.
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Ireland got on board and so Connor now is almost going to catch up and prove Tony never had
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to do that.
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Tony just skated and he was that.
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So when I see Tony Hawk footage, they I'm like, he's amazing.
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I don't care about that really, but I'm backing Tony Hawk and that aspect, you know, so yeah,
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and I think it's interesting to like a lot of people love to look back, especially these
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kids these days.
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They'll look back on stuff that Tony Hawk was doing and be like, Oh, that wasn't that
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impressive.
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The reason is because nobody was doing those things until Tony Hawk, like I remember Ryan
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Metzger.
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So he was a he was a motocross guy.
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He was the first guy to do a backflip in competition.
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And then I remember sitting in my dad's living room and he did a backflip and then went right
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into another dirt ramp and did another backflip and I was like, okay, it can't get any better.
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So here's here's my question to you.
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How much further can skateboarding actually go?
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Because eventually we've got to reach the end of what can be what a human body can do
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on a board.
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I mean, are we just going to be building bigger mega ramps and doing bigger stuff like that?
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Like I feel like we're getting towards the end.
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Or am I crazy?
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I mean, at least yesterday says there's nothing new under the sun, but I'm telling you the
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stuff they're doing today, like again, people like Shane O'Neal, I mean, even Naija, you
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know, people just go off on Naija because he's wearing spandex at some times and he had
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his ESPN, you know, whatever with like a tattoo on his rear end.
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But I'm the guy who's like, you know what?
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He works hard.
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He puts the time in the things he does in contests.
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I can't imagine people being that much better, but it just keeps progressing.
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It's almost like, and I don't know because if you look at MMA, someone was making a
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point the other day in the gym, how many single legs there was in the last UFC or how many
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of this joke or whatever.
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And is it that everyone's focusing on one thing and seeing what works right then, like
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the John Jones leg kicks or the footstomps it used to be?
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I mean, for anything, just to jump all over the place, which I like that we're doing.
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The first thing someone should have said to Kona is, dude, get the best wrestler in the
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gym and spent, because when Chad Mendes came in, two weeks notice, he almost ruined his
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job.
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He had Mendes way smaller, big pay day.
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You know what I mean?
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But he had no gas tank.
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And so like if he could have kept taking him down, if he had had an eight week camp, then
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he can keep taking him down.
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But look at it.
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I mean, here we are.
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It kind of seems like we're crapping the counter, but the low calf kicks, right?
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The low calf kick is a technique that is so devastating, so devastating, it's annoying
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to me.
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But it's kind of like, you know, I remember when Benson Henderson was first doing that
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before he was even champion and yeah, and it's like, why is he doing that?
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Like everyone knows you kick the quad dummy, right?
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And then here we are.
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And it's like, you know, you almost saw it in Mighty Mouse for Sohudo, their second
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fight, you know, like that second fight almost didn't get out of the first round, because,
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you know, Sohudo took that low calf kick and his foot decided not to work anymore.
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I've experienced that kick.
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It freaking sucks.
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But that's just kind of the thing is I'm always curious where it's going to be because, you
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know, I go back and watch some fights from whenever, because I started watching the UFC's
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whenever you could go to Blockbuster and, you know, rent the, rent the movie.
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It's like, okay, we had a guy with one boxing glove on that had no wrestling.
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Yeah, people that can't work a guard.
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But look over the, you know, I don't know when this is going to come out.
16:54
But here recently, Francis and Ganyu just beat Cyril Ghan by wrestling of all things.
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And then using Jiu Jitsu and who's your favorite fighter that I mean, you know, your audience
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is all in on this.
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Who's your favorite guy?
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Well, so it's hard for me to say my favorite.
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It's more so like guys that I will stop what I'm doing to watch.
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So like a Chris Wideman or Frankie Edgar, I love those guys so much that when another
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fighter beats them, I will hate that fighter forever.
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It's like, I will never support that other fighter, right?
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But I'll stop what I'm doing to watch guys like that.
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So what about for you?
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Who are the guys?
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Because, you know, it's kind of easy if you were to say, Darren Till or Patty the baddie,
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but who are those people where you're stopping Valentina's one for me, you'll want his one
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for me, like, you know, they're just so incredibly skilled.
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But for you, who are some of the fighters you stop?
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Even what you said is funny because, you know, came from England, Liverpool to get away from
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the party rage scene.
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I was in a citizen when I came to America.
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All my friends start kind of getting high partying because they're all Americans.
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What do I do to kind of avoid that?
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I go to Blockbuster and I get a load of Sour Patch kids and I rent UFC.
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That's right.
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So who was my first guy?
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I literally put him on the TV last night, Don Fry.
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No, look, Ron Fry and those fights are me by Fry and the mustache and the American.
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So Don Fry and it was kind of like, you know, who I love, it was Croc up.
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I mean, obviously all the pride days.
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I loved Machita.
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You've got a more wrestling background than I love kind of the striker that can do it.
18:24
But yeah, I mean, I love DC for the size of DC to what he did to Josh Barnett, for the
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way to slam people, I just appreciate the competition and I guess, you know, I live
18:36
in Huntington somewhere around, you know, half I L and Kings.
18:38
I see all these guys everywhere.
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I'm really good friends of Benil Dariush and I seen Giga the other day.
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I see Marvin Vittore.
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I go talk to all these times guys as well and share my faith.
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You know what I mean?
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I want to be around those guys as a guy that's in the MMA and I've known Dana for years,
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like when and stay with Dana for days, just me and him about 15 years ago.
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So went to UFC's witness to certain people who came to faith was crazy.
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So yeah, well, it's my advice, yeah.
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Well, I got, I got to ask you, so well, don't worry guys, we'll get back into all the other
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stuff we're supposed to talk about.
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But I'm always curious when I talk to people that, that understand fighting because for
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me, I was into the early UFC's.
19:48
I missed the pride in WEC days because I was playing ball and I just missed it.
19:53
So I, I will sit on my back porch with a cigar and a whiskey, turn on fight pass and
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just watch old pride and stuff like that, like when crow cop was crow crop and when
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Fedor was Fedor.
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And like when Dan Henderson was Dan Henderson, he's in.
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Always go punches.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it was ridiculous.
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So in your opinion, yeah, who is the MMA goat?
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Who is the greatest of all time?
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You can define that however you want, because I have a very specific answer to this.
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Okay.
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So I want to know, in your opinion, above all else, as of right now, as of the recording
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of this recording this in January, 2022, who is the goat?
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It's obvious.
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It's Fedor.
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Fedor.
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Yeah.
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He has like a thousand losses.
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Now here's why, here's why, um, so he comes out like he's like mad that someone bent his
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food or something.
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He strolls down to the octagon or whatever, you know, or the octagon pride.
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He was, here's why I say this.
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He was able to change the fight like no one else.
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If you watched the Kevin Randallman fight, he had respect for people.
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His unorthodox kind of hooking almost like gigas punches and Croc up was meant to destroy
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him.
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Nogera was meant to destroy him.
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The people he fought and he still fought.
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Why did he stay in reduced triangle?
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I don't know.
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Why did he get tagged a couple of times?
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I would say in a couple of times, he didn't lose anything and then he was going against
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bigger guys.
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He wasn't.
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I would have said him in the pride era, but now, I mean, what, look, it could be, you
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know what?
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I mean, it could be almost lose that fight possibly.
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I forget who it was against years ago, you know, where the, the, the judging was a little
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bit sketchy.
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And I'll tell you this, some of my friends who were up there up north where DC is, my
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buddy used a check map, black belt, high level, six, three, six, four, and I'm like, what is
21:48
it like rolling wood could be when he's like, Brian, it is, it is the most ridiculous amount
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of pressure.
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This guy, I mean, I'm six, you know, I'm, I'm six foot.
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I'm a wide guy.
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I'm two, twenty, two, twenty five, two, forty, sometimes if I want to be, this guy is way
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bigger than me.
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And he said kebib's pressure is so perfect.
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It's like he's shaped just to do what he does exactly.
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And then he's not corner.
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And the other thing is I'd say you could have said kebib and I go course, but also here's
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the deal.
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John Jones didn't ever hit his potential.
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And then you've got the royal issues, you know, and the cocaine issues and then I don't
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think Fedor ever took anything.
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He could change a fight fast and he beat everyone's heroes.
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So I go in the legend status, him, and who do you go with?
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I mean, what's that?
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I mean, wait, yeah, Brian, I feel like we're, we're going to be good friends, but let me
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just explain to you how you're super duper wrong.
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Okay.
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So Fedor, Fedor and pride probably had one of the most impressive stretches we've ever seen,
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but his career didn't in there.
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Okay. And when you're talking about goat, you can't take a chunk of someone's career.
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You can't take Anderson Silva's title reign.
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You have to take everything into account.
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Yeah.
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Same thing with Habib.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Habib.
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His first like 20 fights were against his cousins over in Russia.
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Yeah.
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Like he was fighting Russian tomato cans.
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Like if he had spent, you know, it hit 25 fights in the UFC, he might be the consensus
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favorite.
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John Jones, I've scored all his fights.
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He lost that first fight to Gustafson.
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Yeah.
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4847 Gus. He lost to Tiago Santos on my scorecard.
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He lost Dominic Reyes. And so, and so these are guys that I was like, okay, you can't
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be the goat. And then there's also the Royd issues and just being a complete jack wagon
23:29
outside of all that. And you get into Mighty Mouse, but Mighty Mouse has fought three hard
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guys his entire life, Henry Sehudo, Dominic Cruz and another guy. And he's like three
23:39
in two in those fights. So for me, for my money, if we're talking
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about, shut up, man. I'll build it up on my own. All right. I'll do my own crescendo.
23:48
But if you would take everything into account, when you take losses, when you take avenging
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losses, when you take who they are inside the octagon, outside the octagon, their respect
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that they get everywhere else. The number one goat of all time, George St. Pierre.
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Oh, how did I forget about?
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I know.
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How do they forget about his Canadian? We don't really like it.
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No, it's funny because I think when he fought, was it Johnny and Hendrix? Yeah. I think he
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was roided out of his mind. And that's why George is like, I'm done, because George is
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the sweetheart of a man and devoted. When we were all wondering, why is he retiring?
24:26
What's the issue here? I think that was completely because Johnny never looked this Johnny, right?
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Or Jimmy, which I was Johnny Hendrix as soon as he saw the came in, he couldn't make weight.
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He had no power. We would gas and everything. Yeah. Of course, George. I think I just took
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for granted at the time because that was almost a pride era where I'm seeing the crocups and
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the striking and growing up liking Bruce Lee and watching No Retreat, No Surrender, The
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Last Dragon. I wanted to see the striking. Yeah. I mean, George, I can't believe I forgot
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George.
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Yeah. Well, the thing is, is like, so you watch some of his fights, it's like, okay, people
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are like, oh, he's just going to take you down and lay and pray. But it's like, he would
25:02
out strike strikers. He would out wrestle wrestlers. He would out grapple grapplers and losses.
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Yeah. Right. And the thing is, is his two losses. He avenged and he avenged them brutally.
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Yeah. Right. He took Matt Sarah. Not seriously enough. He came back and absolutely destroyed
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him. He was way too young when he went and fought Matt Hughes for the first time. I'd
25:20
absolutely embarrass. Yeah. He just absolutely embarrassed him the second time around. And
25:24
then coming back again, Michael Bizbing, in my opinion, was kind of a paper champion
25:28
at 185. Kind of an easy deal for GSP to come back, but he comes back, knocks him down and
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finishes him.
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You know, guys who fought Bizbing though, you listen to Charles Sonnen, he says, Bizbing
25:38
hit the hardest, which is crazy. Because Mike kind of went on the radar for a while where
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they were like, he wasn't okay. You know, I want anyone to do whatever. Right. Then you
25:45
see that TV thing they did, which kind of talks about his life. And he's kind of, you
25:49
know, and I've met Mike a couple of times. He's kind of that, you know, he lived probably
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an hour or so from Liverpool. But I thought Mike might even take that fight. And when George
25:57
beat him. And then again, you know, here's a sad thing. I feel like about MMA. If you
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listen to George, George is going to tell you that Nick Diaz to him should have been the
26:06
champ long ago. If you watch the George fight with him, it was like Nick didn't really know
26:09
what he was even doing for three rounds. Right. Then when he gets going, he kind of starts
26:13
because to me, the Diaz has never had a game plan that is like, what's up, bro? If they
26:18
went on a game plan and again, even BJ Penn, if he would have had more of a game plan with
26:22
his ability in jujitsu, the Diaz, and I mean, yeah, I mean, Brian, it's interesting. I just
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drew this connection while you were talking. Yeah. You basically admitted earlier without
26:33
saying as much that you weren't the most gifted skater. You just outworked everybody. Yeah,
26:38
George St. Pierre has some physical gifting, but he just flat out worked everybody else
26:44
because maybe the most gifted fighter ever is BJ Penn. He had, he had flexibility, gas
26:50
tank and power. Like that, that doesn't happen because people ask me, why does Connor get
26:54
so tired? I'm like, because God can only bless someone so much. He can't give you the kiss
26:58
of death in your left hand and also give you Max Holloway's cardio. You know what I mean?
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Do you feel like that's a fair comparison for like a GSP? It's like, he's outworked everybody.
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He did. And it was a discipline. And really for me, not that I was anywhere near obviously
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doing any of this stuff, but I really realized daily on when I was reading those Bruce Lee
27:15
books, tennis players and sports got a lot of baseball guys. Sadly, someone just natural
27:21
freak accident and athletes could do whatever. But tennis players were super driven. You
27:26
get an athlete that's like a tennis player. And normally even you coding wrestlers. This
27:31
is Frankie. This is Chris Wibeman. This is and Amy Sean share back in the day. They were
27:36
just absolute beasts because they were like that tennis player mindset. And also for me,
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I get to America. Guess what? I'm gonna citizen. I might be going home. I break my ankle. I
27:46
haven't got time to sit around partying, raging, doing whatever. So to me, it was more I've
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got to be disciplined. I've got to be focused those Bruce Lee mindsets helped. And it was
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like me just navigating. And that's six hours a day. I mean, George, even now, who was he
28:00
rolling with recently? Was he just with him? Gordon Ryan, Gordon, John, I mean, and Lovato.
28:06
So and I've had people say, man, George will submit some people. Like the people he puts
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away. And for a wrestler, you don't always get a wrestler that can use his jujitsu was
28:17
good. The way transitions, you know. So and again, I'm the, yeah, this is my deal. Like
28:23
I'll prep, right preach travel, but it's kind of like my, my other world is like MMA. And
28:29
I'm again, I'm around so many of those guys. I'm fully aiming to use my, my jujitsu life
28:34
and the rest of it for the sake of the kingdom. You know, I look at it all. Well, and I think
28:39
the thing about it as well for a guy like George is he had the best coaches around him
28:45
and he let them coach. He let Greg Jackson coach him. He let John Donner coach him. Like
28:49
he let, I'm forgetting his Canadian coach. Yeah, the guy for he, you know, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so he's allowing these guys actually coach them. Yeah, try. Sorry. But whereas
29:00
there's these other guys that are like, I'm the best guy here. And we're, you know, you're
29:04
all my sparring partners. I'll support you where I can, but this camp is about me. And
29:09
you kind of insulate yourself from that. Whereas George is like, okay, Gordon Ryan, you're
29:14
the greatest no geek grappler of all time. And you know, you're naturally 30, 40 pounds
29:18
bigger than me time to get after it. And that's just kind of his style. And maybe here to put
29:22
a little bow on the MMA stuff and then we'll, we'll back our way back into the skating.
29:27
Is there a fight right now that is not on the books that you would most like to see because
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me, you mentioned Giga earlier, he just suffered a loss here recently. He was the guy that I
29:37
was thinking was going to potentially make a run at the championship this year. You know,
29:41
when maybe one more fight and then get a chance at either Max or Volkonovsky, you know, that
29:45
you have some other fights like people are excited for Julian opinion and Amanda Nunes
29:49
to fight again. You know, there are some fights out there that are maybe a fight or two away.
29:55
I'll give you a mind to give you a little chance. Like I would love to see Homzat Chemayev either
30:01
fight Kamara Usman or Colby Covington. Because Kamara Usman and Colby Covington are the best
30:07
175 pounders on the planet. They're 1A and 1B. Okay. But the thing is, is the reason why
30:12
they cancel each other out is because both of them basically assume they can't take the
30:15
other one down right. Homzat Chemayev is not met a mammal on planet earth. Grizzly's included
30:22
that he doesn't think he can double leg. Right. So that's a fight I'd like to see. But what
30:26
is the fight that you think kind of a dream match up? Well, it's funny. Even you just
30:30
mentioned Colby. How can we let that go? You know, like he, when he beat RDA, I was like,
30:35
okay, this is not normal. Right. Every fight since him. And here's the thing. Colby has
30:40
gone after Usman. And Usman has completely respected him. He didn't have to say that
30:45
was a takedown. John Jones wouldn't have said that was a takedown. Sure. He's like, I could
30:48
call out a takedown. Maybe for me, I'm gonna be biased. And here's what's crazy. Benil came
30:54
in and smashed Tony Ferguson. And even on the for the fighters saying, Oh man, he just like
31:02
took him down. You did that to Tony Ferguson. And Benny told me, like again, we're friendly
31:08
see each other around, we'll go do whatever. He said, I got all of his knee pulled it. And
31:14
I couldn't feel the tendon. So he believes like he blew his, Oh, no, his heel hook. Yeah,
31:19
blew his knee out in that. And the guy just kept going. And he goes, I'm just done. If
31:23
that would have been to be doing that or anyone else doing that, it would have been like the
31:27
craziest thing ever. So I know Benny had a couple losses where he got tagged and whatever
31:31
else. So that was at the car close fight, maybe. And he was like, Brian, you know what, I rocked
31:36
him, he was stumbling. I knew there was no power. So I just kind of went forward. I would never
31:41
do that in a higher level fight, you know, so I'd like to see Benny, but he's got, he's
31:46
got to get past Islam, Islam. I would like to have seen, I mean, Kamzat though, I'm fascinated
31:53
by him. I mean, he just looks like from what Gustaf's insane, a guy that's that big, that
31:57
is that much power and control, throwing guys around and laughing. I mean, he came in, tagged
32:02
that one guy and he came in last time, slammed him and did whatever. But I guess, I don't
32:08
know right now. I mean, I would like to see some maybe more serious strikers, you know
32:13
what I mean? I just like, like, just like I watched their Nike, Nikki Holson, you know,
32:17
the other day, the entire guy. And I just, I like be able to see someone that could bring
32:21
something in that we can see as well. But I like all these guys we're talking about,
32:26
you know, it's just, again, it's my downtime. It's on, I'll watch it on Instagram, everybody
32:30
deal with some friends are getting it. I'm free. It's fastest growing sport in the world,
32:35
you know, so when there's a lot of, there's a lot of entry points. So if you grow up wrestling,
32:39
you can get an MMA. If you grow up boxing and get an MMA, that's just kind of the deal
32:42
of it. To get back and maybe even to put a bowl a little bit on your skating career,
32:46
I know that you've detailed in some other interviews, some crazy experiences you've had
32:51
or just some highlights. So from your professional skateboarding career, is there like a highlight,
32:56
like maybe a competition that you won that was kind of a big deal, you know, a trick
33:00
that you've been trying for years that you hit or is like, you know, some crazy story
33:03
where you almost died because the cops were chasing you or something like, give me a good
33:06
skateboarding career story.
33:08
Honestly, man, for me, it's more just been, we aren't the generation that was meant to
33:13
do contests, you avoided them. We went on some video parts for like two or three years and
33:18
when it came out, that was the guy's music. That was the way you looked or whatever. Most
33:23
of my career was just like street skating. I got into a couple of fights. I went around
33:27
the world and really it was skating the Wilshire rail, nose grinding this big rail, sitting
33:33
in tricks. I would do salad grinds and the rest. But I feel like my whole career was
33:37
like, here's this English guy, here's what he's doing. The music he's skating to, you
33:41
know, the misfits, the Ramones, all that kind of stuff. And wearing black. And then just,
33:46
and then, you know, the next part of my life, you're probably going to get into getting
33:51
married at 19, having a kid on my whole world radically changing. I mean, I'm kind of amazed
33:56
I'm still here, even a 42 celebrating, you know, it's all, yeah, Brian, let's, let's go
34:01
ahead and get into that because skateboarding is good. We got to, we got to, I'll say I
34:05
did a lot of really cheesy Hollywood films, made really bad cameos. And here's the thing
34:10
I'll say, I just kind of did whatever I wanted to do. I wrote scripts. I went and did stuff
34:16
in Hollywood. I went and did random sponsors because I always felt like, if you don't
34:21
do what you want to do, there's no integrity in it. You know what I mean? And I definitely
34:26
had a cool perception of people, this English guy and his music and whatever. But I just
34:31
I'm, you know, I'm still tripping out that I'm in America. You know, it's winter in England.
34:35
It's sunny today. You know what I mean? I'm just still like living this dream, I guess.
34:38
So I don't know. I mean, I just didn't take things too seriously. Maybe I'd like to be
34:43
remember for and all of that. And just was blessed by it. You know, made money. I'm able
34:48
to buy this house because of skating. So just to correct you, California is not America.
34:53
We don't claim California. Okay, that's like honey, June beaches, hunches like Texas. I'm
34:57
not kidding. But was it Tito Ortiz on like the city council? How serious of a city can
35:02
it be if Tito Ortiz was elected office? Okay, Tito's brother Marty is eight doors down right
35:09
here. We can go walk over and he's awesome. Tito was, but I heard something like he wasn't
35:14
showing up to the meetings or whatever. And what he stood for was right. You know, man,
35:18
he loves this place. If you come, you come to Huntington, I'll tell you for those listening.
35:23
You go 10 minutes that way to Long Beach, you will get bombarded for not wearing a mask,
35:27
not doing this, not doing that. You go to Huntington, everyone's just cruising and getting on with
35:32
it. And I'll tell you, they had a couple of almost like Trump rallies. You seen Mexican
35:37
black Filipino Asian everyone. I go ride my bike, you know, I'm preaching tomorrow. I'm
35:43
going to get a break. 500 people just relax and celebrating Huntington. It's like, get
35:49
on with your life. Enjoy yourself. There's so much of collecticity here to so many people.
35:54
So I don't feel like I'm stuck in some oppressive like, you can't do this. I mean, I respect
36:00
people, but God made us free, you know, and I don't think half of what we're seeing through
36:05
our new channels. I mean, I was bummed here yesterday that, you know, they took Neil Young's
36:09
all this stuff. I've Spotify, but I didn't realize how crazy he was about everything.
36:14
I only knew it was music and people were like, no, he was like, so yeah, there's the deal,
36:20
you know, yeah, it's a bit of a crazy deal. But I want to get back to something that you
36:24
mentioned, because basically at the height of your skateboarding fame, like you get married
36:29
as a teenager, you married a gal named Tracy, you got married in a little chapel in Vegas.
36:34
Of course you did. You had a kiddo, but your relationship really wasn't going well. And
36:38
that's probably the nicest way that I could spin it. Yeah. And eventually you two got
36:42
a divorce and for you and for a lot of people that put you in a place where you were really
36:47
depressed, you were angry, you were confused, you were suicidal at points. And you know,
36:51
it was an incredibly dark time for you personally. And that kind of, you know, created this on
36:57
ramp into your spiritual life, which we'll get more into here in just a second. But just
37:00
in terms of the relational side with what was going on for you internally, you know, surrounding
37:06
you and Tracy and the kids, can you take us through that time period?
37:08
Yeah, picture. Like I said, you and I went to school, Brian wants to be a skater, you
37:13
want to go be whatever, we make it to America, I'm making money. And listen, for those listening,
37:17
getting blew up, you're making $400 a month living in an apartment in Taco Bell and the
37:22
Jacuzzi life's good. Now you're making 10 or 20 or $30,000 a month. Sometimes it's huge.
37:28
I didn't care about this, but when you've got, you know, pro decks, pro shoes, tech decks,
37:32
this games out there, all this stuff, what I'm saying is I was living the American dream.
37:37
Biblically, I was gaining this whole well, but I was still losing my soul. I wasn't raised
37:42
in the church. I had no faith. I wasn't like some of our listeners who, you know, went
37:46
to church and viewed that as being a Christian. Guys, gals, either you met Jesus or you didn't.
37:51
I had no clue. You know, our money as Charlie Darwin on it, I'm just raised. It's like,
37:55
Oh, we're just of all dapes. Now I'm fighting with this woman that I fell in love with.
38:00
We have a son. We've been together a year, two, three. It's all fallen apart. This is
38:06
my point is this is the first time life is really challenging me. So I'm like, wait
38:12
a minute. Bruce said life's a vehicle. You know, we strip away the clays till the truth
38:16
is revealed. I can figure out a trick. We can figure out an armbar, omoplata, whatever.
38:21
I can navigate life. Well, this thing is collapsed. And I remember saying, you know what God,
38:25
whoever you are, I'm done. And here's why I said this. It was real simple. Either you
38:31
and I were created or were not. Either we matter or we don't. Either our listeners are
38:37
roadkill or they're made on purpose. That was it. Okay, then, where is God? Where's
38:42
whoever? Where's the higher power? Because the guys meditating in the fields, they left
38:46
their families like Buddha and the sitting off just doing nothing. That's not right. You
38:51
know, there's no atonement there. There's no whatever. So I began to look at all the
38:54
different faiths. I went back to my English kind of mindset, my raster friends, my Buddhist
38:59
friends, my Hindu, all the stuff. And I realized and saw through a lot of it. And at the time,
39:06
I'm divorced. I mean, I punched holes in everything, got in a fight from her dad. I
39:09
was getting on probation. I had a Billy Club in my car, didn't know it was legal. I got
39:14
an eight fights in a month. So I have community service. And in the middle of all this time,
39:19
I'm trying to disprove everything. And I looked at the Bible one day, I literally read in
39:24
Genesis one 26 and 27 letters make man in our image. So I'm trying to disprove everything
39:29
and God, you know, your God, the invisible God, we can't see you supposedly once all
39:34
our money in the Catholic church. And craziness said, Brian's made in his image. And I said,
39:39
well, if I'm made in your image, why does my life suck? If I'm made in your image, my
39:42
name's on a skateboard. I'm in sunny California. I'm enjoying these dumb fry fights. But you
39:47
know what? I'm divorced from this woman. And you guys, listen, and some of you are there.
39:51
Some of you are divorced. Some of you are hating life. You're spouse. The Bible says
39:55
not good for men to be alone. You want to see your kids, maybe it's your circumstance.
40:00
It's theirs. I don't know. I didn't want to live. And as I'm trying to disprove the Bible,
40:05
God tells me right there in the next few pages, well, I put Adam and Eve in the gardens. I just
40:10
don't eat of this tree. And they ran over there in the aid of it, their sin. Brian, you're
40:15
going to die because I never heard this. So there I am making money, traveling the world.
40:20
I bought a house. I'm divorced from this woman, separated for a year or two. And as I'm trying
40:25
to disprove all these religions, I'm reading the Bible and hearing about God and his love
40:30
and sending his son. And just craziness. I knew all about God, but I didn't know him.
40:36
And so to kind of summarize all this for seven months, while I'm probation, community service,
40:42
not wanting to live, not a citizen, divorced from this woman, I tried to disprove everything
40:47
I could about the Bible. And one night coming home from community service that was in a
40:53
Christian thrift store, where if you went and saved French fries and burgers in the church
40:57
next door, you got extra hours. So guess what I did all the time? Thrift store went and
41:02
served. I learned how to cook a little bit. And then I came home that night. And here's
41:06
the crazy thing for our listeners. I'd heard all about God. I'd been around Christians,
41:10
but I didn't know him. I went in this room that is right here. I mean, I can walk in
41:15
their two minutes. And in that room, my ex wife, because we said, let's just try and make
41:20
it work for the sake of my son. She's asleep in this room. My son's four or five. We fight
41:25
like crazy that night. And I go in this room and I say, God, I'm done. And I didn't just
41:29
say God. I was like, Yahweh, Jehovah, you know, the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. I was going
41:35
to God to fix my life, make skating make sense, make my wife make sense, make just life. I'm
41:40
alone here in America. Yeah, I've got friends, but what's going on? I'm going to be divorced
41:45
from this person. Like, I don't want this life. I went in that room and began to have
41:49
it out with God. And all those verses, everything came to mind. And I realized I was going to
41:54
God for my own reasons, but God was addressing my issue of sin. I'm living in sin. I'm dead.
42:01
You know, all of sin, I'm falling short of God's glory. And so in this room, I get this.
42:06
I understand this. Get down on my knees. I'm praying like Lord. I just, and it was like
42:10
God allowed me to see for the first time the scales fell off my eyes. Wait a minute. Jesus
42:15
came as the Lamb of God. Jesus shed his blood. I mean, my sin, it was, it suddenly became
42:20
about me, God on my sin. And I have to sit in there for 30, 40 minutes, praying, pursuing
42:25
him, asking for forgiveness. All the things I'd read about Bruce, all the things I'd
42:30
had inherited from England or skating around the world, you see a lot, you see the well
42:34
quick in one instant, as I'm on my knees, just like looking up, the same place where
42:40
I'd sit there and watch pride fight, you know, and whatever else in the little office. It
42:43
was like I knew the presence of God was getting ahold of me. My eyes were open. I saw my sin.
42:49
I fell down on the floor. And if you said, God, I laid out my life, I'll give you my
42:54
skating. I'll get baptized. I'll do whatever you want to do. I'll even remarry that woman.
42:59
And that's how I view to that woman. You know, I loved it, but I hate it. Same for her to
43:03
me. Oh, I can explain it to you. It's like when in John three, Jesus tells Nicodemus,
43:09
you can't see the kingdom unless you're born again, meaning you can be right here hearing
43:13
about it, but you're spiritually dead, Brian, until your eyes are open from the gospel,
43:18
you cannot hear it. Or when he tells Peter, who do you say I am? You're the Messiah.
43:23
He said flesh and blood doesn't reveal this to you, but my father in heaven in that room
43:27
that I'm pointing at that you guys can't see. I had an encounter with God in 2004. I was
43:33
never the same. The Bruce Lee mindset, the Eastern philosophy, the other religions, the
43:37
new ages and whatever I could have thought was done. And I sat there laughing and crying.
43:42
I can't believe this is real. I can't believe that, you know, because the science of it,
43:49
I can't make anyone believe. I can't prove to you. And I'm not meant to. It's meant to
43:53
be subjective to you. The science of it is you hear the gospel. It's the power and salvation.
43:59
God's spirit, there's a work in you and you can hear it. So when people say to me, good
44:03
atheist friends, can you prove it? No. How does God want you to hear by the preaching of
44:08
the gospel? It hits you. You hear his sheep here as voice. I heard when in this room,
44:14
late in bed next to my ex wife, she sits up like a zombie, gives a speech for 10 minutes.
44:19
I wake up the next day and right here where I am, I'm going to serve Jesus. I'm going
44:23
to follow him and give my skating to whatever. She thinks I'm crazy. Three weeks later, she's
44:28
in church. She comes to faith. Three months later, we're remarried. My son's 21. I was
44:34
doing Jiu Jitsu with him yesterday. We have two more children, Eve News 14, Judas 11. So
44:39
to me, God showed up at the top of my career, making great money, saved me redeem me, restored
44:45
my marriage. And since then, I've been crazy about Jesus. You know, so that's radical. Yeah.
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when you subscribe at prolonlife.com/now. It's absolutely radical. And I'm glad you went
45:22
into all that detail to kind of tell your story. And I do want to parse out a few of the things
45:26
from your story. Because if you think that we're just, you know, highly evolved descendants of fish,
45:33
you know, we're monkeys that wear pants and talk to each other, the thing about it is then none
45:37
of this stuff matters, right? Like none of the, none of the arguments, none of the politics,
45:42
none of the masking, nothing matters, right? Because I tell people all the time, I was like,
45:46
because I have a good friend of mine that's atheist. And I basically told them, I was like,
45:49
look, let's say you and I both die on the same day somewhere down in the future. And you were right,
45:55
right? We're all just matter. We're all just start us bumping into stardust. Well, guess what?
45:58
We're both worm food at the end of the day. But I will have spent a lot of time effort and money
46:03
trying to convince people to do something and be something that's not real, right? That's my worst
46:09
case scenario. Your worst case scenario is that I'm right and you're wrong. And then basically what
46:15
that means is you're eternally separated from the father. And at the moment you realize that all
46:19
you will want was to not be separated from the father. And so that's why I tell people you have
46:23
to reckon with this. Because I think when we're deep down in it, when, you know, the cameras have
46:29
turned off when you've put Twitter down for the evening, it's just you sitting right there. And
46:33
you know that you're not meaningless. You know that you're not just, you know, a, you know, a bucket
46:39
of flesh that gets to walk around on earth for hopefully a good 85 years or so. But the thing
46:45
that's interesting is you set out with a purpose, Brian, and your purpose was to essentially prove
46:52
that life was meaningless, right? You wanted to prove that we were stardust. And there's so many
46:57
people that go out on that cocky journey. And then they had been getting clocked by the gospel.
47:01
And so like, is that a similar story that you've heard? Because I know you do a lot of evangelism
47:05
now and we'll get more into this kind of what you do now and in terms of your pastoral work.
47:08
But is that what you see a lot of times people that set out with this idea that somehow they can
47:13
disprove the God, the universe only to find them? I mean, least strobe, you know, the case for Christ.
47:17
That's right. Literally. And you even just said, then, you know, a moment ago, if we are just
47:23
mush, doesn't matter, we just survive with the fittest. Yeah, even vaccinate and put a mask on,
47:28
let's just let the weak die. Sure. You know what I mean? Let's just let nature have its cause. And
47:32
people have these weird ideas, you know, animals are just so everyone could just play the animal.
47:36
That dog and cat, they're great. We have two of one, three of the other. But you're feeding them
47:41
every day and taking care of them every day. But you go treat that animal the way you treat
47:44
it with the people, probably bite you pretty soon and go find a new owner. The way of this case,
47:48
I'm saying. But yes, I would say the biggest deception is that we're not asking the question.
47:55
And if you come in the gym today with me, we start rolling, I guillotine you. The first thing you're
47:59
going to think is I don't want it to happen again. I'm going to figure out how to not do that. Right.
48:03
We don't do that with life. Oh, you're probably going to think I'm going to go, you know, guillotine
48:07
on my cousins or Christmas or whatever you want to do. We don't do that with life. In life, we're
48:11
just like, no one knows. I'm going to believe this. I'm going to trust that. There's a spiritual
48:15
deception, Sahin Corinthians 4, 4 says. So for me, it was like, if other people could just say,
48:21
what is the goal here? Guys, everyone listen and took a couple of facts for you. You either created
48:27
or not, you have purpose or not. You are not going to die of old age. You are going to die because
48:33
your body fails you. Grandma might have passed away in the sleep and she was sweet and it was
48:38
cute and she was a hundred and whatever, you know, over an open hour or something, you know,
48:41
it lives way older, apparently. But her body failed her. Her kidneys went out, her heart,
48:46
her brain, something stopped. Why? 100% of all people will die, even, you know, Elijah and Enoch
48:54
one day. 100% of all people will die. And God says it's because of the sin. Your payment for
49:00
your sin is death. There's a kiss on the well. We celebrate my wife's mother this weekend because
49:06
of the curse. My mom passed away eight years ago because of the kiss. This kids would have an
49:11
crazy twisted things happening to the day because of the kiss. There's addictions to alcoholism and
49:17
violence and anger and whatever else you want to say, the well's kissed. We're going to die. Why?
49:22
Anyone that begins to ask those questions, you will go around the mountain, the Bible, God,
49:28
not your idea of Jesus, not your bias against the gospel, not your Bart Ehrman and hypothetical,
49:34
you know, contradiction in the Bible. If you go yourself, there's more historical evidence,
49:39
there's more geographical evidence, there's more things hidden from your site. Guys,
49:44
if the Bible's meant to control you, why isn't all the politicians using the Bible to control us?
49:49
Why are they opposing it? Mocking it, living in opposition of it? That's the state of the
49:53
will. So yes, anyone that really truthfully goes to find truth, you have to arrive at Christ
50:00
because he was the way the truth. Yeah. Well, you said the ultimate word, Brian, and it's truth
50:04
because what most people treat life as is as a bunch of opinions, right? Hey, that's just a matter
50:10
of opinion. Oh, you think LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan? That's just a matter of opinion.
50:14
It's that type of a mindset. And they think about matters of opinion rather than binary reality.
50:20
Something is either true or it's not. So when I talk to people, I'm like, look, we can talk about
50:25
dinosaurs. We'll get there. We can talk about Jonah and the well, like we can talk about the
50:29
parting the red sea. We can talk about Noah's Ark. We can we can get to all those things, right?
50:33
Because I'm not just going to tell you to pray about it. If you ask me a question, I'll have the
50:36
answer to. But I was like, we need to start with the binary reality of did Jesus get resurrected
50:42
or did he not? Because like, because there's no more certifiable fact from antiquity than that
50:48
Jesus Christ was a real human being that lived. He was a Middle Eastern Jew that was found guilty
50:53
by the Jews executed by the Romans on a crucifix. He didn't swoon. He didn't, you know, have a body
50:58
doubling to those things. Romans, when they meant to kill you on a on a cross, they did so. They were
51:03
they batted a thousand with crucifixion. The only thing that we need to reckon with, and it's not a
51:09
matter of opinion. He either rose from the bed or he didn't. And so you have to reckon with that
51:13
question before you get into all the other ones, because that's someone that makes the most
51:17
amount of an impact. I think about it. What is that? Think about that visually.
51:22
Let's just say we don't even know his name was Jesus, God, the Holy Spirit, the Bible. You watch
51:27
for a thousand years if you could do every human that's ever lived. Everyone has fallen over and
51:33
becomes wen food. But if you watch Jesus in three days, he got up again. It isn't that we're Christian
51:40
and we're saying he resurrected a human being, God in the flesh, but fully man got out of the ground.
51:46
To our listeners, what does that mean? It means we will have life again. There is life after this,
51:53
that he paid the price for our sins and wrote again. This isn't religion. Like I said, I wasn't
51:58
raised in the church. There's a Catholic church. Five goes down for me. I never went to it. I went
52:03
through all this and I was 20 to 24 trying to disprove it. And then the only other thing is again,
52:08
I was so broken. I wanted answers. Most people don't why? Same thing that happened in Rome.
52:14
They build a Colosseum. There's a circus as long as I'm entertained by my electronics or even
52:19
our UFC or even Jiu Jitsu or whatever we're into. The idols of this world that distract us from the
52:25
reality. And here's the thing, just to go wherever, when I go to skate parks and hang out with kids,
52:30
I don't start with talking about Jesus and God. I talk about the state of the world and they begin
52:35
to see a wicked and crazy and things are. All these famous people in the worship and they're all
52:40
seeing eye and the triangle and the capstone. Guys, what's the biggest religion in the world?
52:45
Why do all these people have these behind the same things? What do they all do and
52:48
watch the agenda? And when they realize they believe in that and they see so much evidence
52:54
for it, then they go, guys, where does anywhere talk about this? Biblically, there's a spiritual
53:00
deception. You have to wear masks outside, but you add what like three or four rapper chicks dancing
53:05
around a pole making out like the Grammys or something. I'm like, is this not just showing you
53:10
the deception? So I'm not just trying to be politically that even I'm sure a lot of your listeners are
53:14
more political than I am or whatever you want to say. But common sense would say, I'm going to die,
53:20
the world's crazy. Does God speak anywhere? And then it's, and you know, I have a podcast
53:25
called Foolishness because first Corinthians 118 says the message of the cross is foolishness to
53:31
those that are perishing. So if I'd have had this years ago, I'd have been into the UFC talk and
53:35
skate talk, but this part, I'm like, this is crazy, which is sad because skating will pass. You have
53:42
civil pass, wheel pass. And the God talk is really what should be relevant to people. So
53:47
well, and that's one thing that I have a tendency to do is because like, I'll risk some relational
53:51
chips and I'll risk offending somebody, um, to ask them the question. And I was talking to a guy,
53:56
buddy, my name, Mike Ritalin, he's a former Navy SEAL. He's a dog trainer. He's a great, great dude,
54:00
but he's somewhere between atheists and agnostic. And at one point during an interview, he literally
54:05
goes Kyle, seriously, why the F you care whether or not I believe in God? And you know, he wasn't,
54:10
that's just how he talks. He wasn't actually mad at me at all. But in that moment, like,
54:14
because I didn't know he was going to say that, I said, because I want you to have what I have,
54:17
brother, because I love you. And because like, if again, and I brought up the worm food thing,
54:22
but it's like, brother, if, if I'm right, and someday we have to answer for, for the sins that
54:27
we've committed, it's like, and if you start giving excuses and one of those excuses isn't
54:31
the blood of Christ, it's not going to work out well for you. I didn't say it exactly like that. But
54:35
and he, he was defanged by the way I answered the question because what he was expecting was is,
54:40
well, you're covered in sin. And if you're covered in sin, you got to be this, you got that in Europe,
54:45
you're a defiler. And that's what he was expecting. He was expecting hell, fire and brimstone.
54:50
And he was expecting me to take the Bible and bash him over the head with it. And what's funny
54:54
about that is the only people that complained about our interview later were other Christians.
54:58
They're like, do you even understand a politics or do you even whatever? But he has now categorized
55:03
me as somebody that he can have that conversation with the one you just talked about, because I
55:08
just chucked a rock in his shoe, right? I want him to think about some of the things that I said
55:12
later when he's wakes up in the middle of night, he's like, damn, why do Kyle say that thing about
55:17
work? And one day, I'm going to really hug you and say, thank you. Because again, and here's
55:22
the clear thing. And you probably know this about me. When I was trying to disprove all this,
55:26
John the Baptist shows up, goes about preaching, repent. John dies, Jesus goes about preaching,
55:31
repent. So when we hear it in America, we hear repentance, we either don't know what it means,
55:36
or we feel like rocks will be thrown at us. But if we understand the context, Jewish history,
55:41
everyone knew we're all going to die because the state of the world, God's good repentance is
55:47
just putting our faith in and 10 to him. And him living inside of us, that relationship,
55:52
you wanting your friend to have that, why do you leap in care so much is because God's now in you,
55:58
and he sent us to reach others because he loves them. And then when that guy, we believe that,
56:03
you know, it's going to come to faith because of it. And here's the thing, we don't do this to gain
56:07
heaven. But man, I want people to have what I have, the state of the world right now, all the
56:12
things going on, like, okay, I mean, God's in control, he knows what's happened. None of this
56:16
is a surprise. I just hope more people wake up, have Christ see his blood can be applied to our
56:23
fallen nature. And guys, that's it. And for you and I, we both just know how much we need Jesus
56:29
more every day because we're perfect. So yeah. Well, when you're talking to somebody, you want to
56:36
try to remove blockades between the point you're trying to make and them coming to your point of
56:40
view, whether you're trying to debate them on a social issue, or trying to get them to agree
56:45
with you that George St. Pierre is a great fighter ever or whatever, you want to remove the things
56:49
that are in the way that could distract them. And so I say that to say earlier, I mentioned around
56:53
the same time I became a Christian is when I was learning how to become a man, you know, 13, 14,
56:58
15 years old. And for me, the paradigm that I grew up with having not grown up in church,
57:02
just like you, is the manly men were outside the church doing manly stuff. And all the godly men
57:09
were inside the church with their press shirts and their khakis and, you know, everything tucked in
57:13
and shined up shoes. And that's what they were doing, right? And I kept that paradigm even into
57:17
my early twenties that the godly men were in the church and the manly men were somewhere else.
57:22
And as I grew up and as I kind of developed my philosophy on manhood and all that, I saw
57:26
the dearth of real masculinity inside the church is one of the reasons why guys that are rough
57:32
around the edges, you know, your fighters, your Jiu Jitsu guys, your construction workers,
57:36
your military or law enforcement officers, allow those guys would walk into church,
57:40
look around at all the doughy, dopey looking followers of his and be like, man, I got to go do
57:45
something else. Like there's nothing for me here. Especially in the middle of America, maybe.
57:49
Yeah. Right. Absolutely. And so I'm wondering for you and from your perspective, because you
57:53
didn't grow up in church, you grew up in another country, you know, England's basically a post-Christian
57:57
culture. But do you feel like that is a big problem? Because I've basically dedicated my entire life
58:04
to showing people what godly masculinity is the fact that Jesus is the manliest man who ever lived,
58:10
even though you wouldn't probably put him in your top thousand list if you were to make one.
58:14
Yeah. Do you feel like the lack of real manhood inside the church is keeping people from maybe
58:18
seeing the father even coming to hear the gospel message? I literally, you know, I don't know if I
58:24
look too tidy on here for some of our viewers who live in the world. You look great. But you know,
58:28
I'm doing a memorial service Saturday. I'm preaching Sunday. I'm saying that because I just went to the
58:33
friend of ours, you grew up with your trims, my hair, you know, trims that I don't really do much.
58:37
But I literally said to hear today, you know, that men who don't live out their manhood,
58:44
your male, but there's a difference between a man who is going to raise those kids, a man who's
58:49
going to love that wife, a man who's going to walk as a man. We have responsibilities. That's what
58:55
the attack on culture is right now and people can't see it. I'm preaching on Genesis this weekend
59:00
because Jesus in Matthew 19 talks about marriage. And when they ask about marriage, the first thing
59:05
he says is God made the male and female. If you say that, that's controversial today. It's controversial.
59:11
Are they male and female? Well, guys, it's not controversial to the Christian. If God was in the
59:16
room and he's in every room, he made the male and female. And what that means is I wrote a book on
59:22
marriage. I'm going to be preaching in church on Sunday. But as I go and live out my life,
59:26
I meant to present men as God says they are male and females. He says they are female. But yes,
59:32
if you're just the guy in the church who's in khakis, if he's back in the pews, why wouldn't you
59:37
be out there living this life? Why can't you go hunting? Why can't you go do this? Why can't you
59:41
go do that? I mean, King David was out there with his mighty men. And here's why. If you study the
59:46
history of the Bible, the way the nations came against Israel was their goal was to wipe out the
59:52
men. What did Pharaoh do? Wanted to wipe him out. What happened in Jesus' day? That's why Joseph took
59:58
Jesus to Egypt. Even in first kings, it literally is crazy. Elijah is sent against its king,
1:00:04
Ahab. And he says, I will wipe out among your men those who [inaudible] King James, [inaudible] on the wall.
1:00:13
Who [inaudible] on the wall? Men do women don't. So God is sending this man to wipe out the men so
1:00:19
their influence cannot make that in culture strong. That'll happen. And now, I mean, men don't know
1:00:25
what a man is. And the point is, I'll say as simply as this, if we're in churches, a thousand
1:00:31
people, the guy comes in with a gun, I expect every man sitting there to run towards that guy and
1:00:35
stop him. And I expect every woman to run the other way. Are you willing to die for your spouse,
1:00:41
for your family, for your faith, for your call? I'm not just saying in a nation, I love America,
1:00:44
don't get me wrong. But our call is the kingdom, not just the nation we're bringing, the kingdom,
1:00:49
you know, we're invading. So yeah, I would say more men, I mean, be whatever you're into. But I would
1:00:54
also say, I like fighting and rolling. I mean, I mean, jujitsu and training, I've been around men,
1:01:00
I like skateboarding, I like being out. I'm an American, most guys hunting, do all the rest of
1:01:04
it. So I'd say be who you are, I'm going to hate on something. But when you're just sitting back
1:01:10
kind of only in the church, you're not actively in the world, living out what a man is. You know,
1:01:15
when I when you're doing, if you go down here drunk, I'm like, what are you doing? You might be [inaudible]
1:01:19
at a moment, but we're going to go off and go like, man, Ryan's going to call me out on the
1:01:23
something in your spirit. It's like, yeah, we want that, you know what I mean? We want that kind of,
1:01:28
and it's been talked down last two decades in the church. Like, oh, men, just put on your armor. And
1:01:32
here's a sword. And here's that's how we're made. God made us that way. He brought the animals to
1:01:38
Adam to name them. You know, you're going to build a plot of land, figure out the foundation. You're
1:01:42
going to go to jujitsu, you want to get choked or not, listen to the guy who knows. So I don't fight
1:01:47
that whole sex war. Like, well, this, this and that, I'm just like, God says you're male and female,
1:01:51
I'm going to preach the truth. Some of the [inaudible]. And I had a friend say the other day, if you want
1:01:55
to figure out if you're male or female, go outside naked when it's windy. And he said it, preacher
1:02:03
got his gay part and I was like, oh, man, he said, go outside when it's windy in your backyard,
1:02:08
naked. And I was like, oh, man, but the point is, the hard thing is kids now four, five, six and
1:02:14
get brainwashed hold all this stuff. And if you just want to stop, but you know, it's funny. And
1:02:19
I'll say this and take you know, next point, but I'm preaching on marriage. And I didn't realize
1:02:24
that where the Pharisees asked Jesus about marriage is the same place where John the Baptist was
1:02:30
preaching. And I know that John the Baptist was captured and beheaded, but I never stopped and
1:02:34
thought he was beheaded because he was preaching on marriage. He was preaching on God's plan for
1:02:40
the family. And Genesis begins with a marriage, you know, male and female. It ends with a marriage,
1:02:45
male and female Christ in the church. And the whole story of the Bible is marriage where a king,
1:02:50
a man, Jesus came to defeat a serpent to redeem his bride. So if you take male and female out of it,
1:02:57
you're missing the gospel. Right. It's certainly an attack on marriage because when government
1:03:01
becomes daddy, right, when you don't need the man in the house anymore, the government's going to
1:03:05
take care of you. That's an attack on marriage. When you say that marriage can be between two men
1:03:09
or two women or three men or five men and two women, like whatever, like you're attacking marriage.
1:03:13
And now that when you're attacking gender, there's been some people that have done some great work
1:03:16
on this Douglas Murray, Camille Paglia is towards the end of these great empires. So the Greek empire,
1:03:22
the Roman Empire, they became obsessed with gender. They became obsessed with sex. They
1:03:27
became obsessed with these things. Partially, it's because they weren't as worried about, you know,
1:03:31
the Mongols on the other side of the hill coming over and stealing all their women and cows or
1:03:36
whatever. It's just like we're so drunk in our success that we worry about things that don't
1:03:40
actually matter. But the church, I feel like, is doing a horrible job of pushing back against
1:03:44
this darkness because they'll do a once a year men's breakfast and they'll call it men's ministry.
1:03:50
But they're not worried about making their church man friendly. They're worried about checking a box
1:03:55
and doing a man's program. Right. So you get guys together, they have fun, they eat bacon and a bowl
1:04:00
of chili, and then they move on with their lives. They go back to their house and they look at porn
1:04:03
and jerk off. They go back and they get their fancy football lineup ready to go. They go and
1:04:08
ignore their wife. They go and do like they do these other things that have caricature and
1:04:12
masculinity. Because that's the one thing that I always draw a line in. And you basically said
1:04:15
as much, I don't care what you're interested in. I'm very typically masculine in that. I like
1:04:21
four world drives truck trucks and fighting and drinking whiskey and smoking cigars and eating
1:04:25
meat and hunting. I love those things. I don't care. Right. But I don't care if you're into drama
1:04:31
and Shakespeare and gourmet cooking and all those things. What I care about in my definition of
1:04:36
a man is a male that cultivates spiritual, mental and physical resilience on a daily basis. You're
1:04:40
not attacking the individual. You're talking about the office and the call of a man. Yeah.
1:04:45
Right. And when you look at the Bible, and I'll talk about readiness and then I'll tee it back up
1:04:49
to you. Yeah. So because I talk about being in shape a lot and I talk about physical resilience
1:04:53
and how important that is to God and people typically fatties, they'll be like, Hey, I don't
1:04:58
have a six pack. Does that mean that God can't use me? And this is what I tell them. I say go back
1:05:03
and read the first four books of Nehemiah. So Nehemiah risks his life goes before the king says, Hey,
1:05:08
I'm going to go back to a land that I've never been to. And you know, I'm so lamenting what's
1:05:12
happened that I want to rebuild the walls and you know, help my people and he goes back there.
1:05:16
And here's what he doesn't do when he finally announces himself to Israel and says, Hey,
1:05:21
like I'm Nehemiah and we're going to rebuild these gates. We're going to rebuild these walls.
1:05:25
And also we're going to protect ourselves as that's going on. What he didn't say is,
1:05:29
and so tomorrow morning, we're going to start a 90 day program where we're going to be getting
1:05:34
in shape. We're going to be doing farmers, caries, and we're going to be doing deadlift.
1:05:38
And we're going to be working on our, you know, spear thrusting and all these different things.
1:05:41
And then 91 days from now, we'll start work on the wall. No, that's not what he did. What he said is
1:05:46
work starts at dawn, right? That's what he said. And the reason he was able to do that, Brian,
1:05:50
is because those men were ready, right? They didn't train to go fight. They knew how to fight.
1:05:55
They didn't train to be in shape because it was back breaking, work building walls in
1:05:58
H and Israel. They were ready. And so God's God calls in one hand and shovels in the other.
1:06:05
And the thing is, is they had to be ready to do that. So I tell these men, if God calls you to
1:06:10
something, he's calling you now. You don't have time to go train. You don't have time to go
1:06:15
figure it out. And most men are caught flat footed. They're not ready. And even then,
1:06:19
you see, I think it was in Nehemiah where they start with an altar because the reality is God's
1:06:25
presence is there. That's what you need. And, you know, let's just be realistic then. I mean,
1:06:30
you're going there. Here's how basic it is. You and some women are 13, 14, 15. One of you can get
1:06:39
someone pregnant. One of you never can. I don't care what you say that is. I don't care if you
1:06:44
want to argue about whether the ovaries work and this and this and that. Guess what? You're going
1:06:48
to have more facial hair. You're going to have more hair on your armpits. You're going to probably
1:06:52
punch harder than 99% of the females you're around. And there's male definition again,
1:06:58
going the garden when, you know, you're naked and windy and things are going to happen. Now,
1:07:01
look at hair. It's going to have a chest. It's going to have a different shape. Scientifically,
1:07:06
whatever you want to call them and the games everyone's playing, they're made different. That's
1:07:10
the way God made them. The ish and the ish are in the Hebrew to that become one. And here's the big
1:07:16
thing for our listeners. When you're driving down the road and God convicts you all man,
1:07:20
you said this, you sounded like a goof. What are you doing? Oh God, what I'm doing? That's your
1:07:23
conviction. What I'm doing something and God convicts me. But when a nation is flipping off God
1:07:30
and redefining his boundaries, Old Testament, God shows up and things happen. I'm not the guy who's
1:07:38
like, Oh, this is what this is. But in a way, God gave them King Saul and he's almost destroyed the
1:07:43
nation. God gave Israel over our nation now is calling on these false gods and this deception.
1:07:49
All the rest of it. And so yeah, I'm a guy that's like, we build skate ramps downtown the outreach.
1:07:54
A guy comes up to my son and goes, Hey, pick that up. You should be able to pick that up. You should
1:07:58
be able to do what the man says, not debate and argue like all we see today. So yeah, I mean,
1:08:03
I'm a Phesians two tenure is workmanship. After today, what's he called you to? But we need
1:08:08
Homer Simpson, Al Bundy and whoever else you want to see are the examples of men while men are being
1:08:14
taught a bit. It's like a trend. Women are celebrated and we should celebrate them. But are they even
1:08:20
celebrated as women? Or is it almost like toxic masculine women who are shouting at men? You know,
1:08:26
my wife wants to wants to provide in the house, she wants to just be here and take care of the kids,
1:08:31
provide the teaching at the table, you know, for homeschool the rest. I want to go out. I'm thinking
1:08:35
about when I'm 60 when there's retirement. That's it. So that's how I look at the basic, you know,
1:08:41
I'm my study in the way to worship. Can I train up my kids in the way they should go? Can I give
1:08:46
an account for my faith? There's my call protecting my family and covering them. So yeah, I think
1:08:52
you're covering a lot of topics that are important because obviously when you get into when you get
1:08:56
into the gender issue, you know, people don't want to go. They say if you want to go anything
1:09:01
beyond, you know, XX or XY chromosomes like that, you're a bigot or, you know, keeping things that
1:09:05
simple. And people are trying to, they're trying to purposely muddy the waters and to a certain
1:09:11
degree we're casting our pearls before swine, but, you know, in trying to change them. But truth is
1:09:14
important. Truth is a very, very important thing. And, you know, before we get off into some other
1:09:19
political topics, I'm going to come back to some of your pastoral work, because you've mentioned
1:09:22
several things. So you personally do a lot of evangelism for the skating community for the,
1:09:28
you know, the skate park community. I remember back in the day, you had a film called Foolishness
1:09:33
where you evangelize the skateboard community. And you know, you have your skating and the music
1:09:37
and the whole thing. You and your wife, as I understand it, you do marriage ministries and
1:09:41
you both speak and then you speak. So give our listeners an idea of kind of what it is that
1:09:46
you're up to now. And anyways, I guess we could support what you're here. So, you know, you come
1:09:50
to faith at the top of your game. What do you do? Well, like I call Stephen Baldwin is doing this
1:09:55
whole ministry with Luis Palau and Franklin Graham, and Christian or so he's getting out of jail and
1:10:00
he's a Christian. So I connect with these people and they start saying, Brian, just start sharing
1:10:05
your story. So I kind of get pushed immediately in sharing my story of how God's, you know,
1:10:10
I'm for seven months, like I said, I'm trying to disprove this Bible. It's like apologetics
1:10:15
in my head. So I am learning, I am seeing things. I'm understanding why they sacrificed in the Old
1:10:20
Testament, what they're doing in the new, who the Lamb of God is I could, I could tell someone the
1:10:25
gospel and pray with them and whatever God did. So now from that, I get invited to speak places,
1:10:31
go places, I do some Bible school, I end up working on a load of projects. And that has been what?
1:10:36
Since 2004, basically almost two decades, I've just been literally, I've never really said no to
1:10:43
anything. So I will get calls. Hey, can you speak at this church? Hey, can you come out to this
1:10:47
conference? Hey, can you go there? I'm pretty much an evangelist, you know, apostle prophet,
1:10:51
pastor, teacher evangelist. I go evangelize, I train up people, I teach at churches, I speak
1:10:57
at schools, rehabs, whatever. It's a very loose everything ministry. I do the podcast foolishness,
1:11:04
I wrote a book never fails, you know, never fails marriage, working on an evangelism book. And really,
1:11:09
you explain to me to someone, you'd be like, I don't really know what he does, but I know exactly
1:11:14
what he does. He's somewhere sharing doing something that I mean, basically I'm an evangelist. And I
1:11:20
mean, the office of not just evangelizing. So I get emails, can I fill my calendar? And I go do
1:11:26
that all year, I raise full time support. And that's it. Yeah. Yeah. And we've got the links in the
1:11:32
show notes so you guys can check out the book, you can check out your website and look at the
1:11:34
stuff. You know, your Instagram seeing kind of follow along with all those different things as
1:11:38
well. But one thing, you know, we're kind of crocheting doing toward the end here, we've mentioned
1:11:42
it several times, both you and I trained you jitsu. And to be honest with you, whenever I was made
1:11:47
aware of you and whenever I look through your profile and everything, for whatever reason,
1:11:50
I was surprised to see you doing jiu jitsu, but then it makes total sense. It's like you do skate
1:11:54
boarding where you're basically going to get hurt all the time. Might as well do jiu jitsu where
1:11:57
you're basically going to get hurt all the time. So you know, obviously you're, you're skateboarding
1:12:02
and then, you know, you're getting in the ministry, you're doing all those things. But then jiu jitsu
1:12:06
came calm, like it does for so many of us. So how did you find your way into a jiu jitsu gym? Why do
1:12:10
you keep training today? So like I said, the sour patch with the UFC stuff, I always just loved it.
1:12:17
The Bruce Lee, the early martial arts film, I just love the motion. And a lot of the public came
1:12:22
from fear because if you and I are walking down the street in Liverpool, and someone hears your
1:12:26
accent and they just say, hey, bleep the yank, blah, blah, blah, we're fighting. So I don't want to get
1:12:30
beat up. In England, you get on the floor, someone's kicking your face in. I make it to America. I'm
1:12:35
in the skate world. Guess what? I have interviews and magazines and they ask me about ultimate fighting.
1:12:40
Dana White sees that, calls me up, I come out to Vegas, I fly out there, stay in the hotels they own,
1:12:46
hang out with him for those three days, start going to the events, meet all these fighters in this area,
1:12:51
know all these people, you know, met Tito years ago, a lot of these guys. And then as I become a
1:12:57
Christian, okay, Lord, what do I do with all this? Dana called me right when I became a believer.
1:13:02
So I'm tied into this world meeting all these fighters. And I mean, I got to sit and witness to
1:13:06
him, share the gospel with him and his wife, everyone at dinner and all this stuff. I get,
1:13:10
you know, the heart of where he is. And I mean, I honor the integrity for what I think he's trying
1:13:15
to do despite what a lot of people say. From that, I know all these guys, I'm a Christian, I'm a pastor,
1:13:21
a couple of black belts come to watch church. Hey, man, you know, Vandal they would come,
1:13:25
cyborg would come, Babalu, I've been friends with Babalu for a long time, sold out believing,
1:13:30
you know, serious. And I'm one of the professors says, Hey, would you mind coming to the gym and
1:13:34
just hanging out? So many guys go through stuff. I think they could use someone pastorally. So my
1:13:39
professors, you know, Christian, I go to the gym about six years ago, I start rolling, and I tell
1:13:45
the Lord God, I am not going to become obsessed with this. I told, you know, I'm telling you, you
1:13:50
know, because skating has been the only thing I've been that obsessed with. But you think about a
1:13:55
black belt, you think about whatever. I'm a white belt, I go on a mission trip to Costa Rica,
1:14:00
within six months of being a white belt. I'm sharing it a gym. And the guy comes over to me,
1:14:05
it's like, you just started, hey, will you meet my professor? I go in the gym, meet the professor,
1:14:10
he's teaching a class. And he says, I want to change this right now. Will you show us a technique?
1:14:16
He literally, I'm a white belt. And he literally, and I said, Lord, I'm only going to do this. I'm
1:14:22
going to give it all to you. And as soon as you don't want me to do too, let me, he has me share
1:14:27
this technique, probably the one of the only things that I ever learned from someone. I checked my
1:14:31
black belt, it showed me it was the technique the guy was going to show. And I've never seen it
1:14:36
anywhere else. Only Leo Vieira does it. And the professor almost has tears in his eyes. And he
1:14:42
says, I have not seen that technique. That was a blue belt. I was going to show it tonight. I can't
1:14:47
believe this. Hey, will you share your story? The pastor I'm with connects with him goes to the gym.
1:14:52
He's a purple belt. Now we go back in six months, we do an outreach to the area, because many kids
1:14:58
are attacked, raped women, all the stuff, one in six, jujitsu, I end up getting my blue belt. And
1:15:04
then I so now I start traveling. I'm using skating. I'm using jujitsu. God has put me around all these
1:15:09
people. So to me, as a 42 year old guy who doesn't wear spandex and flex, I'll go in the gym and roll
1:15:15
around with you and have fun. I think I'm a purple belt with like two stripes. I've been doing it for
1:15:20
six or so years, seven years. But to me, it's this, it's, I've got some flow grappling hit me up. Hey,
1:15:26
man, I watch all the stuff that you're doing. We'll come into the town, come week, meet and get
1:15:30
assay. I'll connect with all these like, you know, heavy guys who, Brazilians are super open to God.
1:15:37
So I'm like, Lord, if you want me to use this that I love, you know, and you don't really get
1:15:41
head in jitsu unless you're old with goofballs or you're being a brute or it's an accident, you
1:15:45
know, with a white belt. So to me, it's like takes care of my health. It's fun. I probably talk to
1:15:52
people more about jujitsu ministry than I do about skating anymore because skating is everywhere.
1:15:57
Right. And I just, I feel like it's honestly a God thing. Again, like guys like Benny, who's been
1:16:02
on the podcast or talking to these guys and there's, you know, there's a guy Jason Lambert who actually
1:16:07
in for the UFC years ago, I went to a UFC witness to him while we were watching it, came to the
1:16:13
church, came to faith. And he's a serious believer now, you know, like literally came to faith. So
1:16:19
I have these crazy stories. So to me, it's just like God using it. And I go, you know, at least
1:16:25
two or four to five times a week. And the gym, it's a checkmate gym under a Gracie covering its
1:16:32
transition. And so one of the cool thing about it is, and I was just talking with one of our brown
1:16:37
belts out our story yesterday. And when when you're around someone for a length of time in the gym,
1:16:44
you get a pretty good idea of who they actually are. Because you might know someone in the gym
1:16:48
for a year or more before you know what they do for a living. Because everyone's wearing a
1:16:53
gay and a belt, right? And so the thing that you know about that person is the belt colors,
1:16:57
tells you a little something about them. But also how they roll tells you something about them,
1:17:01
how they respond when they get tapped, tells you a little something about them. It tells you
1:17:05
whether or not you can trust them. Because if you see them a week later with their chest out like,
1:17:09
Hey, hey, I tapped this guy. You're not gonna believe because he's one of our best guys. It's like,
1:17:13
okay, you just log that away in your brain. So Jiu Jitsu's are great, a great way for you to kind
1:17:17
of understand that. And I have a group of guys that get together every Sunday. And we call it
1:17:21
Fight Club, but we're all reading the same book. We come together and we talk about the book we
1:17:25
are relating. I lead people through a workout and then we all train Jiu Jitsu. And these aren't guys
1:17:29
with MMA backgrounds. These aren't guys that have a collegiate wrestling pedigree. These are just
1:17:34
dudes. Yeah, they're just dads in there. Some of them are like, Hey, I'm gonna be a white belt
1:17:38
for my entire life. But this is that's where they go. And it's it's a workout. They get to learn
1:17:42
how to fight a little bit. So Jiu Jitsu's just an incredible tell you something funny, though,
1:17:46
you're saying this. And so, you know, I mean, I was probably up to 246 when I was like, you know,
1:17:51
my wife's mom would have been sick or at home a lot. There was so much COVID stuff. And so I'm like
1:17:57
eating in more than that. So in the gym, they would call me like polar bear, you know, kind of like
1:18:01
big. And so I was saying, yeah, so that like, so we're releasing this to the world polar bear. It's
1:18:05
funny. So I'm always, you know, in the gym, they call me pastor, you know, as soon as someone says
1:18:10
something like wrong, they're like, dude, the pastor's here, you know, and I'm there like almost every day.
1:18:15
So I invite the scale of the church. And she's a little Asian girl with a mask on, you know,
1:18:19
she comes in. I never even really seen her face. She comes in the back of the church. And I always
1:18:23
stand in the back kind of like watching. And and pastor gets done. It's like, Hey, say hi to someone.
1:18:28
And so there's a lady sitting here. And she reaches over and says to little Asian lady,
1:18:33
how did you hear about the church? And she points to me and she says polar bear.
1:18:39
My friend next to me, you didn't know they call me polar bears. I'm preaching this again.
1:18:47
They're probably going to say polar bear. But I'm saying, it is I'm very passive because I always
1:18:53
hated bullying. And also there aren't that many guys like as big. So I will almost play defense
1:18:59
law, kind of like down at her said, Hanzo Gracie got on him about and said, Hey, you play this
1:19:03
being real passive. You've got to also go on attack. I figure it more like this. I can either get
1:19:09
one position and go and only do that and be the best guy at that in the gym. Or I can kind of
1:19:13
catch all these things. And as I get higher up the belt, I'm going to have more tools that are
1:19:18
casually coming together. That's kind of how I am. So if I roll with you and you're like, Brian,
1:19:23
I've got a tournament in a week, and you really want to go, I'm like, Oh, go go crazy. I'm expecting
1:19:28
you to try and do everything because I'm focused on your goal. But if you're just like, Oh, hey,
1:19:32
what's going on? Just like, yeah, whatever. So I'm gonna do stuff. But I don't care enough.
1:19:37
But I care enough about the art and the school and the gym. And I'd say 75 80% of the people in
1:19:43
there are believers. A lot of conversation afterwards and a lot of scripture. And just, you know,
1:19:49
it's a religion like skating, skating's a religion being a gangster's a religion, you know, NFTs,
1:19:54
or have you called it's a belief system, jujitsu. I'll tell you something funny, we did a big
1:19:59
outreach once. I Leo Vieira comes speaking, you know, Leo's like what five time well champion.
1:20:05
We have a little mini ramp and there's probably a couple thousand people. He's so nervous. And
1:20:09
there's like 100 people from jujitsu all their ears. And he's super nervous. He speaks once and
1:20:14
I'm helping him. And I'm telling everyone what the techniques are while the role and all the
1:20:19
jitsu fighters are looking at me like, how does this guy know Leo's doing pretty good. And then the
1:20:24
next competition comes up that the microphone goes out. And so they like, Hey, you have to have him
1:20:29
go to the main stage. So Leo looks at me. There's like 10,000 people. One of the best grapplers in
1:20:35
the world, super nervous to walk down to the main stage. Here's his testimony gets done and is like,
1:20:42
this is what I want to do. So, you know, I think God's just raising a load of us up at the time.
1:20:47
I know for you, well, you'll be in your journey. I mean, this is just, you know,
1:20:51
it's just becoming all things to all men. Like Paul said, in a bank skate park on the mats.
1:20:57
Just leaving it. That sounds like a great place to roll. So if I find myself out there in California,
1:21:01
I may have to run by quick story, though, I also have a jiu-jitsu nickname. It might not be as
1:21:06
cool as polar bear, but I had been training for about five or six months. So white belt,
1:21:10
very, very green. You know, I'm 30, 31 years old. And Andre Galval comes to our school to do a
1:21:15
seminar considered to be one of the greatest ever. We're talking top three greatest geek
1:21:20
competitors ever. He's got a super fight coming up with Gordon Ryan, no geek at ADCC this year.
1:21:24
But it's at the end of the seminar. It's after three hours, right? And for the last two hours of my
1:21:28
life, I've been a blur. I don't even know the starting positions. I'm so confused. And he starts
1:21:32
pointing at people to have to come out and roll with them, right? And so he points to this guy,
1:21:36
he points to that guy. And I'm taking video of everybody because I want them to have video
1:21:40
of when they're rolling with one of the greatest of all time with any points at me. And I'm like,
1:21:44
Oh, no, like, I suck. I'm a white belt. And this guy's great. And as I walk out there to slap
1:21:50
bump, he goes, Oh, you look like a Viking. And because my beard was a little longer,
1:21:56
my hair was all over the place. And from that day on, guys at the gym,
1:22:00
I call me Viking. And the thing about it is, is it's like, you better be pretty good. It's like,
1:22:04
if you're going to wear a pink G and you're a guy, you better be a killer. Same thing if you're
1:22:08
going to walk around with a nickname, like Viking, you better go to class at least once a week.
1:22:12
So it's kind of the thing just trying to live up to that name is kind of where I'm at. But Brian,
1:22:17
we've covered a we've covered a lot of ground this conversation. But I want to end with this.
1:22:20
I do a segment towards the end of my interviews. It's called what would you say to someone that said?
1:22:24
And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to say, what would you say to someone that said? And I'm
1:22:28
going to fill in the blank. And you have 30 seconds maximum to give me your answer regardless of the
1:22:34
subject. Okay, so this is our lightning round. Okay, so you up for it? Yeah. Okay, let's get into
1:22:39
it. We'll ease into it here. Okay. What would you say to someone that said Tony Hawk is the
1:22:44
greatest skateboarder of all time? I could say I agree with that to the degree of what he's done.
1:22:50
Yeah, I could put other people more technical better. But yeah, I could, I could agree with that.
1:22:56
Okay. I say Mark Gonzalez and Rodney Mullen, what they brought to us, but I could say Tony. Yeah.
1:23:02
Yeah. Classic burn quiz. There's a lot of other names. All right. Keep going.
1:23:06
What would you say to someone that said even Christ couldn't fix my wife?
1:23:14
Well, he died for us. So really the birds on here, Christ, all of the charity gave
1:23:19
himself for here. So Christ can, but in her stubness, if she hears his voice and rejects it,
1:23:25
if she's not one of his sheep, then that's on here. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Next one here.
1:23:30
What would you say to someone that said the only football is American football?
1:23:35
Um, I'd say get this guy some coffee and some water because you don't even really use your
1:23:41
blood and that low for bread thing. Um, you know what? Football players though, over here,
1:23:46
they're tough. They're not like, you know, soccer players back there. Sadly, I'll tell you this.
1:23:51
Do you know where the name is soccer comes from? I don't guess I do know. It's the dumbest thing
1:23:56
ever. An American called it associate football and out of associate. They just got the word soccer.
1:24:02
And I'm like, that's it. You know, that's, that's it. So yeah, we're going to blame that on someone
1:24:07
from Canada because there's no way an American came up with that. All right. Next one here. What
1:24:10
would you say to someone that said Christianity and the skateboarding community can't mix? There's
1:24:15
too much darkness in that lifestyle. Um, skateboarding is neutral. You know, it's whatever it is. It's
1:24:21
um, influence. They say music and skating are the two most influential things in America. They
1:24:27
influence from the coasts. So I would say, um, again, become more things to all men. The skateboard
1:24:33
itself is nothing. And I'm going to use that, whatever's in my hand. God used prostitutes,
1:24:39
tax collectors, you know, skating is in a sin. So use that platform to reach people like the
1:24:44
maths, like everything else we're doing. All right. Next one here. What would you say to someone
1:24:48
that said the Beatles are super overrated? My mom used to see the Beatles in the, in the cavern.
1:24:57
My sister's friends and some of their family members. And what they did at the time, I would
1:25:03
say go watch that new show that just came out on Disney. Paul McCartney. I did not realize it.
1:25:08
It is like Mozart or someone. It is shocking. It is shocking. And I would say, no, what they did
1:25:13
at the right time, their American influence from buddy Holly and blues and all the rest.
1:25:17
And there's no way they're too famous. You know, and I've always kind of preferred them to Elvis,
1:25:22
my wife Elvis and the Beatles. You know, I don't even listen to it that much because they're so
1:25:26
good. I don't need to think about it. You know, it's just like, I feel like I should be talking
1:25:30
to your wife right now because she's clearly the one that's right. Elvis is far superior
1:25:35
to those silly little weird, hair-cutted Beatles. But you know what, we'll move on.
1:25:38
I know this ever right one song.
1:25:40
Probably. Wow. This is my interview. This is my interview, Brian. I'm the one that asks the
1:25:45
questions. Do you know who's middle name is Presley? What? Do you have a son whose middle name is
1:25:50
Presley? I don't. But I probably should have another one just so I could do that. Yeah, I do.
1:25:55
Dakota, Presley, some now. Okay, that might be the dopest name I've ever heard for a kid. I
1:26:00
automatically am super disappointed in my choices. God, okay, thanks for, you know, bringing me
1:26:05
down here towards the end. All right, I just got a few more questions. You're sorry, middle
1:26:08
name's Lennon, right? Hey, I might as well take a dime. No, no, we're not going to edit this part
1:26:17
out. I don't know that I'm blending this part, get out to the world. All right, just a few more
1:26:20
for you, Brian. What would you say to someone that said, I'm scared to skateboard. I'm afraid
1:26:24
I'll get hurt. I would say I'm cautious to put your feet over the bolts, knees over your feet,
1:26:32
hips over your knees, get a good base, maybe put a helmet on. But yeah, you can learn. But
1:26:38
if you're over 30, 40, trying to impress the kids, guys, get low to the ground, get something big
1:26:43
because too many dads with dad bods wreck their legs. You slam bad if you don't know what you're
1:26:49
doing. But go to the skate park. Someone help you out. They love it. Right. All right, a couple
1:26:53
more left here. What would you say to someone that said, I'm scared to train jujitsu. I'm afraid
1:26:57
I'll get hurt. I'd say you should be scared not to train jujitsu because you have five takedowns,
1:27:04
a couple of jokes. I mean, you know, you know, the first time we got on the mat and someone
1:27:07
put some pressure on your face, you think you're going to die? Right. I don't even notice anymore.
1:27:12
I get knee on bellied and that whole saying I'm a loving on a fighter. The fact that you are a
1:27:16
lover should be why you train jujitsu. Guys, Kelly Slater said it. Jujitsu is the first sport
1:27:22
you should put your kids in. Not because it's a sport because it's a self defense mechanism.
1:27:26
I love it. It's so relaxing. It's so peaceful. It's a family unit and go to jujitsu some people.
1:27:34
Yeah, absolutely. All right, man. Last question of the day. What would you say to someone that said,
1:27:38
I can't figure out how to fix my marriage. I'm desperate.
1:27:41
Well, Jesus told them Moses permitted you to divorce because of your hardness of heart.
1:27:52
And if we are Christians, we don't have a heart heart. We have the Holy Spirit. And with God,
1:27:57
all things are possible. And God said to the son of God brings together, let no man separate.
1:28:02
So I would say for you, our problem in America is we've been raised on Disney. We have a mindset
1:28:08
that life is about me. I'm going to live here. We're going to have this much sex, make this much
1:28:12
money, enjoy this much downtime, do as much jujitsu, white picket fence. And God says, no, no, seek
1:28:18
face the kingdom. I would tell you, die to self like Jesus did for his wife, go into battle for
1:28:25
that wife, cover it like Christ loved the church, and start believing for a miracle. Because if you
1:28:31
are 20 right now 25 30, you're like, what is this marriage thing? Yeah, you guys related and all
1:28:37
the good things when you met, she looks hot, she looks beautiful. I can't wait for the matting
1:28:41
day. Well, you know what? Now there's diapers. Now there's a boss. Now he's trying to go to jujitsu.
1:28:45
You're relating in the chaos. Keep going. Love will never fail. I love that we talked about men.
1:28:52
Guys, stand tall, fight for your marriage. Because if you trust Christ, if you're not running towards
1:28:58
sin, it will always prevail. God brought one woman to Adam, and she was a standard of beauty,
1:29:04
and he actually put man out the way at that time. So I just, I tell a lot of guys this,
1:29:08
die to self, get in the word, and commit yourself to here. And the Bible says, live with your wives
1:29:15
in an understanding way. Maybe she's mad at the church. Maybe she's mad at you. Maybe she's
1:29:20
walking towards sin. But God wants to use you to show her the love of Christ. Focus on that.
1:29:26
Don't bail because it's never really over. You're still going to be each other's life to some degree.
1:29:30
So right, man, I love it. I think that's a great place to leave it. But that is all for me. Is there
1:29:34
anything else you want to get off your chest? You know, I just love jumping in and being as free
1:29:38
as this into the Americans. Listen, who still think I'm speaking in tongues, I'm not English people.
1:29:44
You do a good job because even Oklahoma 20 years ago, people are more like,
1:29:48
watching my accent, like what's he doing? We need to engage, jump in. I say English people are more
1:29:55
like that dry humor kind of what Ted Lasso. So I love this stuff. You know, just I'm here to put
1:30:01
the truth out people to hear, but if it relates to my life and the things we love, praise God,
1:30:07
he used that, you know, to get to people. So that's great. That's why we're here, man. Well,
1:30:11
Brian Sumner, thank you for coming on Undaunted Life of Man's podcast. Thanks for having me,
1:30:15
but I'll see you on the max. God bless. There you go, guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Brian
1:30:19
Sumner. But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost at Undaunted Life
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1:30:36
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