0:00
[Music]
0:18
This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
0:24
All right, guys. We've got a special guest on the podcast today. His name is Brandon Tatum,
0:28
so he's a conservative political commentator. He's also a former police officer and former
0:32
football player at the University of Arizona and the founder of the Tatum report and tatumreport.com.
0:37
He's also the co-founder of the BLEXIT movement, which is an organization that seeks to persuade
0:41
black Americans to leave the Democratic Party. He's also a published author. He wrote the book
0:45
Beaten Black and Blue being a black cop in an America under siege. And so the thing about this
0:50
interview is he and I met back at the Uncle Tom to premiere back last last year in Dallas or
0:55
something like that. He and I hit it off, had a good conversation, planned to get him on here.
0:58
It's just taken a while to kind of get it. And we're having him on around the entire time that
1:04
there's this craziness happening with Tyree Nichols and the situation happening in Memphis.
1:08
And five black police officers killed this this black man. And then that's somehow about
1:13
white supremacy and also the craziness. Well, he talks about stuff like this all the time again,
1:17
because he has a history as a police officer. He's a conservative commentator that doesn't
1:22
look at his skin as some sort of thing that he's, you know, now owed something or now that he has
1:26
to act this way or that way. And so I just opened up this conversation and did a little bit differently
1:31
than I was planning on doing it. Because we had a truncated time period. We've got the stuff happening
1:35
in the news cycle. So we do talk about the Tyree Nichols situation. We talked about policing in
1:39
general and kind of where the blame can go here. We address why people are trying to pretend like
1:44
this situation has anything at all to do with white supremacy. He flowed a little bit on his
1:48
thoughts on just manhood in general, the fatherlessness epidemic. I even asked him like, how can we
1:53
change the culture in a lot of these cohorts, specifically the black population cohort where
1:58
the men don't stick around and the women don't want them in there. They want the government to
2:01
take care of them and those types of things. He has a lot of big opinions and a lot of very,
2:05
very forceful opinions on that. Then we also talk about the separation of history. You know,
2:09
here we are in black history month and we're separating off black history as if it's not
2:12
also just a part of American history. And so we talked about a lot of things here and it really
2:17
is going to set us up and tee us up nicely for a future conversation because I didn't get to ask
2:20
him about Donald Trump or the Uncle Tom documentaries that he's done or flex it or you know, how his
2:25
conservative political opinions, you know, aligned with his Christian faith and how he came into faith
2:29
in Christ. All that is very, very interesting and stuff that he's talked about before that I know
2:33
what his answers would be at least somewhat on those. We didn't get to it and we still managed
2:37
to fill up about a half hour with some great, great content. So guys, so it's just, I'm literally
2:43
sitting here. I'm just like Gideon, how good the conversation went. And so I'm just so happy to
2:46
share it with you. I'm not going to keep him from you any longer. So guys, without further ado,
2:50
let's get into it. Brandon Tatum, welcome to Donald to life of man's podcast.
2:53
Well, thank thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. Man, it's a long time coming. I told
2:58
everybody about how you and I met at the, the premiere for Uncle Tom too. And hopefully we'll
3:02
have a little bit of time to talk about that. But I'd be out of my mind to not start with the
3:08
situation that is literally dominating the news cycle, except at least for the next five minutes.
3:12
And that's the situation that happened in Memphis with Tyree Nichols. By now guys, this happened,
3:17
you know, a couple of weeks ago, the video has been released, has been out there for about a
3:20
week and a half. It's out there now. Let's assume that everybody's seen the video. They know,
3:24
they know what happened to this young man. They know about the charges that have been brought
3:28
against those five officers. But I want you to kind of talk about it in whatever way you want
3:32
to talk about because there's a lot of things to talk about. The fact that it was five black men
3:36
that killed another black man, but people are talking about it as if it's the product of white
3:40
supremacy. People want to talk about police brutality. There are a lot of things to talk about,
3:45
and you're a pro at this. So go, what do you want to say about it?
3:47
Yeah, I think that generally speaking, I often use this on my show about compartmentalizing,
3:55
meaning that you can walk into gum at the same time. The officers can be wrong. And then there's
4:00
also things that people should learn as citizens to not get yourself in a situation where you get
4:05
and beat the death by police officers that are ill-trained and malicious to a certain degree.
4:12
And so I think that those are all areas we should talk about. I think the failure in this
4:17
situation started from leadership at the Memphis Police Department. The police chief is diverting
4:23
all of the blame and attention to these officers when they did this under her watch.
4:28
It's ultimately her responsibility. Right. The Scorpion unit is a unit that was created.
4:33
She is the police chief. She runs the entire police department. The training or the lack thereof
4:39
of these particular officers are on her head. Right. She cannot divert and say,
4:44
this is the worst thing that I've ever seen. Well, you have the worst leadership that
4:49
anybody's ever seen. If you allow your officers to do things like this, and we all know that this
4:54
is not the first time that these guys got into a physical altercation with somebody on the street.
4:58
Sure. This seems powerful for the course for these officers, these particular officers that
5:04
were involved in this incident. So the first line of blame has got to go for the police chief.
5:08
And I think she needs to resign. The second phase of blame is that these officers, in my opinion,
5:14
based on what I saw, seems like they have no legitimate training. And it seemed like they
5:19
were rogue officers. And the things that they did under the street light was absolutely unacceptable.
5:26
Not one point at any juncture in that altercation where they legitimately trying to get this guy
5:34
under arrest or into a submissive position. I mean, they're literally just kicking and punching
5:38
them and beating them like they're in the hood somewhere. So that's unacceptable. Also,
5:42
when you get pulled over by the police officers, you just follow what they ask you to do,
5:48
and you don't die at the end of it. People, we need to be able to have that conversation too.
5:54
Cops can still go to jail and you can still be wrong as well, because all of the shootings
6:00
and police interactions that have resulted in the death of these individuals, 99% of it was people
6:08
resisting arrest. And there's ways in which you can prevent yourself from getting into a situation
6:14
where you die at the hands of a bad police officer, or you die at the hands of a good police officer
6:19
who had justification to use deadly force against you. So I mean, I wish that we would have a
6:24
real conversation about everything and not just point the blame at the hobbies.
6:28
Are your ad campaigns lighting up the dashboard, but not the pipeline? That's bullspend. And marketers
6:34
are calling it out in dashboard confessions. My boss asked for results, so I opened my dashboard
6:41
for the only positive sounding metric I had. Impressions. Cut the bullspend. See revenue,
6:47
not just reach. LinkedIn delivers the highest return on ad spend of major ad networks.
6:52
Advertise on LinkedIn, spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $25 credit. Go to
6:56
linkedin.com slash campaign turns the conditions apply.
6:59
So, so let's dig into a few of those things. So one thing that we're seeing about this police
7:02
chief in Memphis, I can't remember her name. It doesn't really matter at this point, but she
7:05
failed upwards. She was bounced out of the Atlanta police department for basically some,
7:10
some corruption. And then she failed upward by being made police chief in Memphis.
7:14
We've seen things come out about over the last several years. Well, since George Floyd summer,
7:18
we've seen the standards for hiring for Memphis PD go down like they cut the college credit
7:24
requirement in half. You know, they were even making exceptions for people that had felonies
7:28
on their record to be a part of the police department in Memphis. So there's some failures there.
7:32
But I want to spend some time talking about compliance, complying with the police officer,
7:35
how to comport yourself around the police officer because there's this thing that goes around
7:39
that is told that, Hey, you know, black families have to have different conversations with their
7:44
sons and daughters than white families do. And every time I heard that, I remember when I was 15
7:50
and a half years old, when I had my, not my license yet, but I had my permit to learn how to drive
7:55
both of my parents separately, because they were divorced, sitting me down and saying, son,
7:58
if you ever get pulled over, this is what you do. You pull completely out of traffic. So you and
8:03
the officer are safe. You take your keys out of the ignition, you sediment, you know, you make
8:07
sure the, the, the guy can see your hands the entire time. It's yes, sir. No, sir. Yes, ma'am,
8:11
no ma'am. Like we had that conversation often. Like this is how, and hey, if they're getting,
8:16
they're getting rowdy and they're getting crazy, just go with it. Because even if you end up in
8:20
handcuffs and end up in a jail cell, you'll be alive. And later on, we can deal with all the
8:25
stuff that went down. I mean, we had that conversation. Do we're my parents just like pseudo geniuses,
8:31
or is that something that really we should just be having writ large as a society, that particular
8:35
conversation? Well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's called, just like when you're driving down the road,
8:40
there's different things that your parents will teach you about safety, you know, come to a complete
8:44
stop at the stop sign, make sure you look at the crosswalk, make sure you're driving the speed limit,
8:49
you know, making sure when you back out of a parking spot, this is what you do. This is what
8:52
you don't do. This is, you know, this is how you switch lanes, make sure you, you know, look in
8:55
the rear view mirror and look in the side mirror and make sure you give enough time to make sure it's
8:59
clear before you get over in, in another lane. Don't switch multiple lanes at one time. I mean,
9:03
all of these things are rules that are pertaining to you driving. And you driving is not excluding
9:10
interaction with police on your driver's license. When you take the driving course to get a driver's
9:15
license, they talk to you about laws pertaining to law enforcement and police. So, you know,
9:20
what they're essentially saying is not that black people need to have a unique conversation
9:25
with their children. They're saying that black people are too stupid to have common sense enough
9:31
to know that you shouldn't run from the police on a traffic stop. That's what they are saying.
9:38
They try to pass it off as, oh, we're just educating and as a black family, you need to have a
9:43
different conversation. No, you don't. They need to stop acting like black people too stupid to
9:47
have common sense because you don't need to have a conversation to say, I'm not going to fight a
9:53
police officer. I'm not going to argue with a police officer. And I'll tell you this, you don't
9:58
argue with your father, do you? So then what makes it what makes any sense that authority
10:03
is present and you begin to argue and be belligerent. And see, the problem is, and I would argue this,
10:09
is that a lot of these people don't have strong fathers. They don't have good parents. Because,
10:15
like you said, your parents separately took your side and gave you advice. I mean, if you know,
10:19
that's what any parents should do to their children in any given situation. But, you know,
10:24
black people are not uniquely experiencing something different. It's absolutely stupid.
10:29
And let me tell you how stupid this is. They want to blame our black people that have a new
10:35
conversation or white supremacy. Well, let's let's talk about this for a minute. The police chief
10:40
was black. Right. The officers involved were black. The guy who died was black. Where are the white
10:47
people? There ain't no white people even associated with this situation. The problem with training
10:53
is on a black woman who's the chief. The problem with ethics are on black men who were police officers.
10:59
None of this has anything to do with white people. But I'll just say this, because I'm a
11:05
black man and nobody going to tell me if I could say this or not, is that why can't black people
11:12
have accountability? It's literally like kryptonite to some black people that if you dare make an
11:20
observation and say, Hey, maybe it's just you. Maybe you hired the wrong people. Maybe it's your
11:26
culture. Maybe the things that you guys are doing or the problem, you know, they can't accept that.
11:33
They literally call these black officers puns or agents of white supremacy. It is asinine to me.
11:41
Well, you know, your buddy Larry Elder was called the black face of white supremacy. And so now we
11:46
have five additional faces, apparently, five additional black faces of white supremacy. And it's
11:51
just like, it's so paternalistic how you're describing and you're describing it accurately.
11:55
Like to talk to talk about a group of people, two ways. One is if they're homogenous, as if all
12:01
people with that level of melanin think act and do the same things. But secondly, the you're treating
12:07
them as if they have no agency that they can't make decisions for themselves. Because I can recall
12:12
one person that I've seen video of that was killed that was complying with police. And it was that
12:17
that young the young man, I think he was drunk. He's in a hotel hallway white kid. And you know,
12:21
they're they're yelling, you know, things Adam and he's on his knees and he's crying. He's trying to
12:25
like do what the officers say. And at one point, he falls forward and he goes to pull his pants up
12:29
and they shoot and kill him right there in the hallway. And so outside of that, I don't see a
12:33
whole lot of instances where, you know, you're just walking down the street, being black, holding
12:38
your Bible and your sandwich. And the other hand, and you know, you just get shot by racist white
12:42
police officers because I grew up in a fairly diverse and fairly rough town. And I talked to
12:47
my friends who were black and they had slightly different interactions with the police that I did.
12:52
But also I didn't roll around with knuckleheads of any color, right? And so whenever they got pulled
12:57
over or whenever they got in, they were interacting with the cops, it was yes, sir, no, sir, and they
13:01
could think in the back of their minds, this is why this guy pulled me over or this is why this
13:05
guy's giving me a hard time. But they can only control them, right? You can't control the
13:11
actions of somebody else. But you brought up a very, very important point, fatherlessness.
13:15
Okay, so since the 1960s and 70s, fatherlessness for every racial cohort in America, except for
13:22
Asians, has skyrocketed for white people went from about 3% to now it's around 30%. For Hispanics,
13:28
it was single digits. Now it's 50%. For blacks, it was like 20, 30%. Now it's 70, 75%. Now black
13:35
babies are born out of wedlock. Fathers aren't there. Fathers around in the statistics are clear.
13:39
And I know that you know that I'm I'm just preaching to the people that are listening to this,
13:42
that when dad is just around, not smart, not great, not the best motivator, not, you know,
13:48
super sensitive, just there. Teen pregnancy goes down, crime goes down, grades go up,
13:54
graduation rates go up. Talk to me a little bit about, again, I hate to use it as a homogenous
13:59
group, but the black community, maybe we can call black culture, that has put a tremendous amount
14:04
of value on Uncle Sam government, maybe caring for them and not, hey, let's keep our men in the
14:09
homes so that our babies have a shot. Well, no, I think you brought up an incredible point and
14:14
it's something that I talk about all the time. And I like to say there's no such thing as black
14:19
culture. What it is is the generic culture that a lot of black people accept and they and they
14:24
apply to because anybody living in a place where you don't value God, you don't value relationships,
14:32
you don't value marriage, you're going to be a degenerate culture. And that could be applied to
14:37
anybody that's living in that, you know, that faction of applying, you know, cultural behaviors.
14:47
But you know, I think that there is this idea that, well, I can have children without being married.
14:55
Why? Because my mother did it. My mother and father were not married. And it matriculates down
15:01
through generations of young people. I was the same way. Now I have a great father and mother.
15:06
However, marriage was not something I grew up in with my mother and father being married.
15:12
However, my father got remarried, but my mom and daddy wasn't together. And as a young man,
15:18
all I say this, unfortunately, all of the women that I dated all the way up until I went to college
15:26
that were all black, none of them had a father or their father was not in the home. And it's
15:32
unfortunate that these things happen. But when when they occur, the next generation is affected.
15:39
I remember writing in my, I think I was in high school and they wanted you to project your next
15:45
five years and you had to do like a portfolio of, you know, where you want to be in the next
15:50
five years and kind of write out each year and some of your accomplishments and things you want
15:53
to overcome. And it's funny because I wrote that I wanted to have a son. And then the next year,
16:01
I wanted to marry my baby mama. I think that that's the exact words I wrote, married my baby mama.
16:07
I mean, that is destructive thinking that may be unintentional. Because where I grew up at,
16:15
it's not weird that tomorrow and daddy ain't together. It's not weird that you got a baby mama.
16:19
That's not weird. But in reality, not where I was from, but in reality, it is weird. It is
16:26
problematic. It does damage to the children. There's there's trauma that occur in those situations
16:32
that matriculate down the children that end up resulting in children that don't perform well
16:39
in school, that don't know how to handle authority, that end up being lost, don't know who they are,
16:44
turning gay lesbian trans or whatever, because they're in a dysfunctional environment and their way of
16:51
handling trauma could come in all those different forms and fashion. So, you know, it's important
16:58
and it's important to value it. It's important for celebrities and people who young people look
17:03
up to to say, you should get married. You should be, this is how you become successful. And if you're
17:08
not married, don't have children out of wedlock. You know, these are things that can make you
17:12
successful. When I think, well, what is it the stat about like, okay, if you graduate high school,
17:17
if you get a job and you don't have kids before you get married, your odds of being poor or impoverished
17:22
in the United States of America are essentially zero. It's not zero, but it's essentially zero.
17:26
But this seems so trite even worded this way. So give me a little bit of grace as I unpack this.
17:32
How do we affect change in this particular area? Right? So when you talk about the explosion,
17:39
you three out of four, you know, black babies, you know, they're born out of wedlock and the
17:42
dads aren't there and all that. That is a cultural change. Yes. It is a change of a particular
17:48
community of people that look similar. Yes. But I feel like at the end of the day, this isn't a
17:54
government issue that this isn't even a cultural issue. I feel like this is a gospel issue. And
17:59
this gets in this is we don't have enough time to unpack this. So holy crap, I just, you know,
18:03
blew the top off of this interview. But when you have some of the things coming out of the black
18:08
church, again, sunny morning is a very segregated time for the United States of America. But whenever
18:13
you have the black part of a church advocating for abortion, advocating for nanny state stuff
18:18
from the church, when they're not really going to the word of God for the dictates of how they
18:23
are to act in their life, is it a shock that we have these downstream cultural problems
18:28
inside of that community? Again, I might be throwing things out there that are, you know,
18:32
we don't have enough time to talk about. But man, I feel like the gospel is the only answer to this.
18:36
But in the day to day, like how do we turn that around? How do we get more black fathers and
18:41
black families to stay together and be together like it was way before the civil rights movement,
18:46
when the rates of fatherless is in the black community was the lowest of any racial cohort
18:51
in the United States go? Yeah, so you mean pretty much what it is is that you made you made a point
18:56
that's the most valid point of any discussion here. And that is a problem with people in their
19:02
relationship with God, and especially communal relationship with God. I mean, as the church
19:08
used to hold people accountable to churches to do things that helped boast the relationship
19:13
between people and their relationship with God. Now, church is a business, church is a government
19:20
institution, because once they start giving you 501(c)(3) status and give you tax exemption,
19:25
they tell you what to do, and they tell you what not to do. And these churches are not going to
19:29
preach what the government don't want them to preach, because then they'll lose their status.
19:33
Then they can't fly private jets, they can't put money in their pocket, they can't expense all
19:37
of their personal expenses under the 501(c)(3) status with the church. I mean, that's what it has become.
19:43
What we need, and the Bible talks about the end days, these things will happen. So I don't know if
19:50
it's going to get any better. It's not that we can save the world, we just can save as many people
19:55
in it as we can, because the world is going to hell in the handbasket. Now, cultural change,
20:01
men who are leaders need to lead, men who are leaders should be talking about marriage,
20:08
speaking to young men about how they should participate in this thing called life,
20:12
how they should treat women, how they should value themselves, how they should dream and
20:16
visualize success. This is what our people should be talking about. This is what Black,
20:21
strong male leadership should be saying. We shouldn't be sitting here crying and talking
20:27
about the white man holding us back. That makes no legitimate sense whatsoever, especially if you
20:32
are Christian, because if you are Christian, there ain't no man that can hold back what God has for
20:37
you in your life. So for a person behind the pulpit to say something like that, that tells you
20:42
right there, they don't have a connection with God and they don't have a spiritual relationship
20:45
whatsoever. It's all carnal. And we need men to be courageous and stand up until the truth.
20:52
The reason why I don't sit and cry and complain about victimhood is because
20:57
I believe in God. I believe in my relationship with God. And I believe God has all these wonderful
21:03
things for me that if I apply myself, God can have those things or allow those things to come to
21:09
fruition. And you got to understand that I believe that God has called me to be excellent,
21:15
not as a Black man, because melanin is irrelevant, but as a man that God has called to do great things.
21:23
And how do you perform those things? Self-confidence, believing in yourself, brainwashing
21:30
yourself into all kinds of things like happiness and success and flourishing in life and building
21:37
relationships. God, let me just tell you this. In the Bible, it clearly says, knock and it shall
21:42
be open. Seek and you shall find. And then it goes on to say, what father will give their son
21:48
unsatisfactory gift? So how much more do you think God will give his children a gift that they
21:56
ask for? And the problem is, in our society, we want to walk up to the door and it just be open.
22:03
We want to just be walking lackadaisical through life with no intention and expect us to find.
22:09
It says, knock. That's an intention and God will open the door. Seek. That's an intention and God
22:14
will do the rest. This is a basic conversation that young poor people in the inner city community
22:20
should be having. We should be telling them they have hope. Teaching young people that they can be
22:25
whatever they want to be if they apply themselves. Teaching them about God. Teaching them about
22:30
those principles that you said. Don't be in a criminal justice system. Graduate school.
22:35
Don't have children out of wetlock. Get you a job and you will never be in poverty ever.
22:41
You will be successful. And instead of how much can you twerk? How big is your booty?
22:48
How many women can you smash? I mean, all of these degenerate ideas that come from this culture that
22:56
some black people adopt is the reason why we see so much, so many problems. And then I'll say this
23:03
and I'll add this. In our country promoting single mothers, that should be, you should walk
23:11
around with your head down if you are a single mother by your choice. Not because your husband
23:17
died or because you had to get out of a abusive relationship or something like that. But if you
23:22
are a woman and you say, I'm going to have sex with this guy and I'm not going to marry this guy
23:26
because I don't need him. I'm good with my baby. You should walk around and shame with your head down.
23:32
So should a man who have a baby with a woman and don't take care of his responsibilities.
23:37
You should be shamed. You should walk around with your head down. The society should shame
23:43
people like that. And we don't do that anymore. We glorify men that want to sleep with as many
23:48
women as they can. Call them high value men. We glorify things like that and it's not conducive
23:56
because what is that doing? Damaging young women and damaged young women are not marriageable.
24:02
And so then they walk around life and they die alone with a dog and doing yoga every day.
24:10
And I'm not saying it's anything wrong with yoga or a dog, but in conjunction, which you
24:14
not having a man and being a broken spirit your whole life, we created just a damaged society.
24:21
Struggling with weight loss? Prolon's five day fasting mimicking diet is a clinically developed
24:25
nutrition program designed to promote fat loss while protecting lean body mass.
24:30
Developed at USC's Longevity Institute, it assists the body in entering a fasting like state that
24:35
helps reset metabolism and target visceral fat. In just five days, Prolon offers a science-backed
24:40
approach to weight loss without extreme restriction or guesswork. Get 15% off plus a $40 bonus gift
24:46
when you subscribe at prolonlife.com/now. Right. Well, it's a godless society that you pointed
24:53
out. It's a society that says, hey, you'll get confidence when we give you stuff. But it's like,
24:57
no, no, no, you get confidence when you accomplish things. But this is why we kind of have this
25:01
moment where young men are actually desperate to be told what to do. They're desperate for shaming.
25:07
And here's an easy proof. How is Andrew Tay to thing? How is the things that he said, you know,
25:13
and not all the things, but you know, that get as many girls as possible. Get as much money as
25:16
possible. Like, you know, do your own thing, tell them women to not just do their own thing. And,
25:20
you know, they'll grow up and be old and not have families. He's saying some right things,
25:25
but they're a really ugly vessel. And the reason why is because as you pointed out,
25:29
we don't use shame anymore. Shame is a tremendous motivator. I used to be very overweight when I
25:34
was a kid. Why do I work out like a mad man now? Because I remember the shame of taking my shirt
25:38
off at the the pool party whenever I had, you know, basically little man boobs when I was a kid,
25:43
right? Shame. But like the shame of a man, we should shame these men. Well, you should,
25:49
you can't shame them to go back into the home because then it's not authentic.
25:52
Do you think I care about authentic? I talk about all the time on the show. I don't think that
25:56
Donald Trump is actually pro life in his heart. But guess what? He legislated in a pro life manner,
26:02
got three people that voted to throw away Roe v Wade onto the Supreme Court of the United States.
26:07
So by my calculation, he's the most pro life president of all time. I don't care what your
26:12
motivation is. I care if you're going to do it or not. I don't care if you're gonna, you know,
26:16
go skipping back into the home. That's not your role. The role is not to be happy while you do it.
26:21
The role is to do it. Right. Right. That, that, I love it. You said that nobody,
26:26
somebody promised you you'd be happy. Right. Happiness is a, my product,
26:29
happiness is a broad product of your hard work paying off. Right. Other than that,
26:34
you got to grind. You got to get it done. You may not feel like it. I got a kid out of wedlock.
26:38
That's why, that's why I can tell people you don't want to do that. Right. It's not good.
26:43
It's not cute. It's not cool. It's hurtful. It's harmful to you, the kids. And, and, you know,
26:50
the back and forth between me and my son's mom is just, is out of control. You know, I'm
26:54
spending $30,000 in court fighting custody for no reason with this woman. However,
27:01
I may not feel like it sometimes. It may not feel good, but I have a responsibility
27:07
to be involved in my son's life. I could walk away and be like, I don't know if it'll waste my
27:12
time. I'm married. I got another kid. I got to hold another family. And, and, and I'm very
27:16
transparent about this. Is that, I mean, I may not feel like it sometimes. I may not want to deal
27:21
with the drama, but you got to do things in life that are uncomfortable. It may not feel good,
27:26
because it's the right thing to do. Nobody said you're going to be inspired to wake up every
27:31
morning to go work out. You may not. It don't matter. You know, you know, I think about this,
27:36
brother, like, like a protein shake. You know, my wife, she said, she'll drink a protein shake
27:40
and she'll be like, Oh, it just tastes so nasty. I can't drink it. I said, baby, it has nothing to
27:43
do with taste. No, it has anything to do with. Does it work or does it not work? I don't care
27:47
what a protein shake tastes like. Is it going to do what I wanted to do? I'll, I'll get over the taste.
27:54
And that's how it is with life. It doesn't matter. It may not taste good. Life may not taste good
27:59
to you. You may have an amputated leg. You may not have everything you want in life. You may be
28:03
ugly. You may be overweight at the, at the moment. You may not be as smart as the next man. Life may
28:09
not taste like a banana pudding. It don't matter what it tastes like. You need to get out of life
28:16
what you supposed to get out of life. And, you know, and that should be the strive. But young men,
28:22
men aren't young men anymore. They want you to be a coward. They want you to be a weenie. They want
28:27
you to be soft. And, you know, women have these roles and men and women are equal. We ain't equal.
28:33
We ain't equal. Now, we have equal value, but we don't have equal roles. Men are supposed to lead.
28:40
Men are supposed to lay their life on the line for their family, for the country. That's not a
28:46
woman's responsibility. Now, they can voluntarily do it, but that is a man's responsibility. The
28:51
Bible says very clearly that a woman, the dynamic between the woman and the husband,
28:58
a woman, she'll honor her husband or whatever you want to say. But the man shall love his wife
29:03
as Christ loves the church. Christ died for the church. The ultimate sacrifice. Mary didn't die.
29:10
Go down the list. None of these other women died, even though they were important. Christ died
29:16
for the church. The man should die for his family in the country. And men have to take that responsibility.
29:24
I almost feel like every man, when you turn 18, you got to go through a boot camp or something.
29:28
You can't be a weenie sitting playing video games all day. You need to have some combat.
29:33
You need to have some fear. You need to have some courage. You need to put it on the line.
29:38
When I became a police officer and I did that, even though I played football and college and I
29:42
did all that, when I became a police officer, when I became a man, when I'm looking life and
29:47
death in the face every day, that make you a man. I'm going to be honest. And I'm not saying
29:52
people that don't serve aren't men, but the challenges that men put themselves into will make them a man.
29:59
And it can even be the challenge of going to the gym. That's a challenge, bro. Going and putting
30:04
yourself through that every day, going to challenging yourself to do better, to accomplish more,
30:08
putting yourself in positions where all the weight is on you. Don't punk on the pressure.
30:14
You want pressure. You want adversity. That's what make you a man. And nowadays they teach men to be
30:21
lay up under they women and let the woman be the breadwinner and all this old cow or stuff.
30:27
That's why men dressing like women now are they turning the women because they're so
30:31
effeminate. They've been emasculated that they feel more like a woman and they like what the
30:38
tension that women get because they don't want the brunt strength and the drama that men have
30:43
to go through the survival in this country or in the world in general. And we have a good in America.
30:48
You take, you're gonna be a man in India. Go be a man in Afghanistan. Go be a man in some of these
30:53
other and in and in Botswana. Go be a man in Ghana. I mean, I'm not saying it's all bad, but
31:00
you ain't got it like this in America. Anyway, I go forever. No, we're so fortunate, but there's
31:06
two things I want to say. Number one, banana pudding is awesome. So I'm glad that you put that out there.
31:11
Number two, resilience. That is the thing that our men and our children don't have.
31:17
It's that ability to overcome. They've been told about strength before, but guess what,
31:21
man, strength wanes over time, right? I mean, your most guys aren't as strong as they were when
31:26
they were going through two days, you know, at Arizona, you know, you know, they can't deadlift
31:31
as much. They can't squat as much. They can't run as fast, but you can be resilient physically
31:36
for your entire life, but we don't teach physical resilience. But then we certainly don't teach
31:39
mental resilience. We don't teach. We teach kids that if you have a problem, we will give you pills.
31:45
And those pills will fix that problem until a little bit down the road without those pills
31:49
create another problem. And then guess how we're going to fix that problem? We're going to give
31:52
you some more pills. And you know what, we're not going to prescribe that you spend the next six
31:58
months eating clean and working out hard. We're just going to give you some pills that'll make
32:02
you feel better. Now, they're going to change the chemical balance of your brain. But hey,
32:06
that's just a side. That's a side issue. That's a side project. So, so there's a whole lot there,
32:11
but there is one last thing that I want to ask you about before we get you out of here.
32:14
And I think it ties into what we were talking about earlier, the separation of black culture
32:19
and black people and treating them as if they are different somehow. I think also ties into
32:24
the month that we're sitting in right now, this is being released in February, black history month.
32:28
This is a month where we're supposed to close our eyes and our ears and pretend that black history
32:32
is not just American history, that there's something fundamentally different about the history of
32:38
black people in America in terms of our entire story. Because guess what? My sons are going to
32:43
know about slavery and they're going to know about the worst parts of slavery that they're not even
32:46
going to talk about in school. Why? Because that's part of our story. And that's a way that I can
32:50
teach them, son, we will never take James to not seriously. We are never going to look at people as
32:57
a separate thing. We are all made in the image of God, even though we look different and may act
33:02
different and may sound different and may do our hair differently. But talk to me a little bit about
33:06
the separation off and the breaking off of that culture, because I don't think breaking off cultures
33:11
into these supposedly homogenous groups helps us as the greater culture, which is American culture.
33:17
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's crazy to me that we even have a black history month. It's completely
33:22
stupid because and then you say, oh, you know, I think Morgan Freeman had made mention of this.
33:28
It's like, well, why would I want to reduce my history to one month? And then the funny thing is,
33:31
this is shortest month of the year. I mean, come on, give me a break. Like, if you are you an American
33:37
citizen, the question is, yes, you go abroad. You're an American citizen abroad. They don't look at
33:41
you as black, white, nothing. You're an American. And so if you're an American, then the history
33:46
that your ancestors experience is American history. And you know what I feel like what it does is it
33:51
cheapens black involvement in American history in it and it and it separates it outside of context,
33:58
because you need to understand the black experience within the context of American history, or you
34:04
don't understand the black experience whatsoever. It's valuable to talk about these great inventions
34:09
and say, this person invented this. And people would be like, what? I thought all black people were
34:14
slaves. No, they weren't. I thought all black people were, you know, whatever. No, they weren't.
34:19
There was many black people that did wonderful things all throughout the history of America.
34:24
And we don't need to isolate. We need to continue to bring that up when we talk about history. I
34:30
think it's, listen, if we are not talking about black history, when we're talking about history,
34:37
that's a problem. That's unacceptable. So we don't need a month. We need you to integrate this
34:44
history back into history as a whole. Why can't we have American history month? What we talk about,
34:49
I mean, what we talk about American history in general, and we walk through methodically
34:54
and talk about everybody that was involved. And the thing is, is that if you have specific
34:58
people that don't make the list, it's okay to talk about those people externally. It's okay to
35:03
bring up those people. We're going to read books about them. Not every black person that did something
35:07
significant in history will be spoken about. Not every white person that did something significant
35:12
in history will be spoken about. So the thing is that let's not divide ourselves by coming up
35:17
with a month. And the stupidest thing ever is that they make the shortest month of the year
35:22
black history month. It's almost like it's comical. If we weren't involved in this, and I'll make this
35:28
statement, I really hate black history month, because how is my history any different than my
35:36
wife's history? My wife is white. It's somehow in the household, we got to talk about my history
35:41
and not her history. No, me and her Americans, we share a history. And us being in a relationship
35:48
is a part of history. But anyway, I'll be there for another show.
35:53
Man, I always want to leave him wanting more. That's what I feel like we've done exactly in
35:57
this moment. But just to kind of put a bow on that, I agree with you. Because guess what? I'm
36:01
mainly Irish and Choctaw Indian. Okay, so when I look back on the history of my people's,
36:05
man, we did some awesome stuff. And we did some crazy to pray stuff. And if I were to
36:10
parse out my history and go back and look at the men and women that that, you know, eventually
36:14
came down to making me, man, I'm sure there's going to be some things that they did that I'm
36:18
not proud of. But when you look back on your history as a person or as a people group or as a country,
36:23
you have to call balls and strikes and be like, Yeah, that was really crazy. That was really
36:27
depraved. Man, thank God the gospel was working back then as it is now. Otherwise, those people
36:33
would have had absolutely no hope. And as Americans, we should be able to call balls and strikes.
36:37
We're not going to hide from our history, but we're also not going to give a partial view of it
36:42
either. But Brandon, we went everywhere in this conversation. But that's all for me. Is there
36:46
anything else you want to get off your chest? No, man. Thank you so much for having me. God
36:50
bless you, man. And I really pray that the people who are listening find value in the conversation
36:56
that we just had. Brandon Tatum, thank you for coming on Dawn to Life, a man's podcast.
37:00
My pleasure, man. God bless you. There you go, guys. I hope you enjoyed my time with Brandon Tatum.
37:05
But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost at undaunted life.
37:08
Our mission is equipping men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual,
37:12
mental and physical resilience. So here are the links I've got for you today. I've got a link to
37:15
Brandon's website. I've got a link to his YouTube channel, huge YouTube channel. You guys should
37:18
definitely check that out and subscribe a link to the BLEXIT Foundation website,
37:22
the Tatum report website, and also an Amazon link where you can go and buy his book.
37:27
Thank you guys for listening to this episode. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe,
37:30
rate and leave us a positive five star review. If you want to come speak live at your event or on
37:34
your podcast, you shoot me an email to info@undaunted.life. That's i-n-f-o @undaunted.life.
37:40
Follow us on Instagram and like us on Facebook and check out our website for everything else,
37:43
including how to donate to keep more content like this coming your way. Just go to www.undaunted.life.
37:48
And as always, we want to thank the band August Burns Red for allowing us to use their music for
37:52
our content. The music on this podcast is our song "Cutting the Tides," which is off their
37:55
10th anniversary re-recording of their album leveler. The links are in the description.
37:59
I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness,
38:04
keep forging spiritual, mental and physical resilience. Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
38:18
Where all you want is a side, nation, and a virtue. You will be revived.