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This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
1:25
Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, we've got a special guest on the podcast today.
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His name is Joe Kennedy.
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So he used to be an assistant football coach at a public high school in Bremerton, Washington.
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And after games, he decided at one point that he would start praying at the 50-yard line by himself.
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And then some coaches, some of the players on his team, they noticed that he was doing that.
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And some of them actually decided to join in with him and pray after the games.
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And then some of the players from the other teams and coaches from the other team would come in
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and pray after the games.
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And this went on for years.
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And no big deal, right?
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I mean, we live in a free country.
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We have freedom of religion.
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We have freedom of expression.
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Well, apparently not in the ridiculous state of Washington because the members of the school board
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did not like this at all, like surprise, surprise.
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They said that they were worried that it would not only violate the establishment clause
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of the United States Constitution because they're moronic numb skulls.
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They said that it was potentially dangerous, that it was endangering students somehow
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to pray after a football game.
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So they tried to force Coach Kennedy to stop praying, he refused as he should have.
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And the school responded by not renewing his coaching contract at the end of that season.
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They essentially fired him as essentially what they did.
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And then he rightfully decided to sue the school board.
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And that fight, you know, through the different appeal courts and everything like that,
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made it all the way to the Supreme Court in 2022.
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And no spoiler alert here because this is old news.
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But the court actually ruled in his favor, in the favor of Kennedy and his team,
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voting six to three, you want to guess who the dissents were.
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They voted six to three that the government cannot suppress an individual's expression
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of religious observance.
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And if they do so, they are violating the right to free exercise and free speech.
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And this entire story, which again, this thing took, I think he said like eight years was
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from, you know, soup to nuts is how long this process took.
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This entire thing was turned into a major motion picture last year, 2024, called average
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Joe.
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And this was made about Coach Kennedy and his life and the struggle for religious liberty
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and what was going on in his personal life.
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And so that's what we talked about today.
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We just went right from, you know, what was your upbringing life?
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You know, why did you join the Marine Corps?
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Why do you want to be a coach?
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Like, you know, why did you feel like God was telling you you needed to be a coach,
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even though spoiler alert, he didn't have any football coaching experience or football
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experience whatsoever.
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He was a wrestler and a boxer.
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And then the entire process, so everything that I just gave you there in the intro, we
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talk about in detail in this interview.
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So guys, I'm not going to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Joe Kennedy, welcome to adult to life and man's podcast.
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Hey, good to have you.
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I mean, appreciate it, buddy.
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Yeah, this is great.
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I'm excited to talk to you about your story, crazy story, but don't worry, guys, we will
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get there, but we do kind of need to start small here.
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And so you have a, I guess you're, you have very interesting track record, but it all
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comes because you decided to follow some dead Middle Eastern Jewish carpenter and those
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types of things and dedicate your life to following Christ.
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And so for you, like, when did that happen?
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Did you grow up in a Christian home, is this something that, you know, just kind of came
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to you as an adult?
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Let's just start there.
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Yeah.
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I grew up in a Catholic family and it really didn't take.
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So I pretty much was a rebel, just didn't want to have anything to do with God.
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And it wasn't until I got out of the Marine Corps before, before I found actually my
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faith and started living for the Lord.
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So it was well into my late thirties.
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Okay.
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And so what was it specifically for you that led you?
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Okay.
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Catholic upbringing.
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You hear that kind of a lot.
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Catholic Catholics, but then they don't actually have any faith whatsoever.
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So did that maybe have an impact in you going into the Marine Corps or kind of what was
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the impetus behind that?
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Well, it did.
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It definitely sent, you know, as the planted seeds when I was a kid for, for, to, to kind
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of have some things grow up there.
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But I wasn't, yeah, it didn't take it, it, it, I pretty much was in so much trouble when
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I was a kid and had such a rough childhood that I didn't, I couldn't believe that there
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was actually God.
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So yeah, those seeds finally took root.
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It wasn't until I really right when I was getting out of the Marine Corps.
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My last year, the Marine Corps is when I really am got married.
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That was when God really took a hold of my heart.
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Okay.
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I kind of feel need to ask you because most of the people in this audience are going to
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be Protestants.
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And so we have some Catholics.
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Now there are people kind of in Protestant circles that look at Catholics, almost like
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they're apostates.
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Like, look, these people believe in some random, you know, dude with a pointy hat in Rome and
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they think that he's magical and they worship at the altar of Mary and all this kind of
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weird stuff.
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And so, but like with me, I believe that there are Baptists that aren't saved, just like
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I believe that there are Catholics that are not saved.
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I believe that there are people in all walks of Christian life that have not actually put
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their faith in Christ for the propitiation, the payment and full of their sin debt.
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But I kind of feel like with Catholics, they're more box checky because like Southern Baptists
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I grew up in Oklahoma.
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And so as long as you're born in Oklahoma and listen to country music and vote Republican,
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you get to go to heaven because God's pro all those things.
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But with Catholics, it's like, okay, as long as I tend mass a couple of times a year and
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as long as I've been confirmed, then I'm good to go.
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Do you kind of experience that with what you've seen in your life?
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Oh, absolutely.
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And you see that with a bunch of different ones, you know, 70 ampedists, Jehovah Witnesses.
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I mean, you could just warm it and see you pick them out of the line up and unless you
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have that relationship, you know, but who am I to say who's right and wrong?
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I just know that my walk with the Lord is the best that I could do at this time right
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now and just trying to do the best I can because I'm not a check in the box kind of
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guy and I don't follow rules very well at all obviously.
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So yeah, just doing the best I can, man.
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Yeah.
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Well, we'll certainly get there.
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All right.
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So military, you get married, all the kind of stuff, you know, God snatches you up at
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some point.
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But at what point do you think, hey, I want to coach football, like where does like coaching
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football come into your world?
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Yeah.
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So I was failing as a husband and that's where I really turned to the Lord.
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And then it seemed when I made that promise of God that, you know, hey, if you give me
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my wife, I'll give you my life, he took me up on that.
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And next thing I know I'm being asked to coach high school football and I don't know anything
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about football.
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I was 410 to my sophomore year as a wrestler and a boxer and stuff.
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So I was never a big guy.
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I was just a little guy.
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And so football just seemed kind of like a very weird thing for God to ask.
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But that's what where it came about is that God asked me to coach and help these young
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men.
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And I just, what was I going to say?
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No.
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Yeah.
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So I definitely had to.
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Well, you could have said no.
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A lot of people would have said no.
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They would have been like, that must have been indigestion.
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That couldn't have been God.
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So how do you go because what's funny is I actually know several wrestlers that have
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been forced into coaching football.
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It's really strange because it's like football is a complicated game.
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I mean, yeah, you're trying to move, you know, an inflated piece of pigskin from one place
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on the field to another place on the field.
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But man, it's complicated.
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There's a lot of moving parts.
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There's 22 guys on the field all at one time.
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Like how do you, how do you do that?
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How do you go from a wrestling boxing background?
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I'm sure you watch football, but how do you figure out how to like coach?
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Yeah.
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There's a beauty of it because I was in the military in the Marine Corps for 20 years.
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So leading men was just a natural thing that I've been doing my whole entire life.
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And I didn't care anything about football.
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This was just something that was my calling.
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So I never had to worry about learning the X's and O's.
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We had some of the best coaches you could possibly imagine.
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Guys that played college, professional was even in the Super Bowl.
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And these guys knew X's and O's.
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So the only thing I had to focus on was a little Johnny and Timmy.
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And that's what my whole thing was, is getting the most out of those young men out on the
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football field.
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Okay.
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And so let's talk a little bit about that because you've got some coaches.
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Excuse me.
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I know for a fact that there are some coaches, high school coaches of a lot of different
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sports listening to this podcast right now.
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And you have guys that may know the X's and O's of baseball, football, wrestling, basketball,
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whatever the sport is, but they struggle with making sure little Johnny's not a moron and
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making sure that little Johnny's there on time and that he gives full effort and all
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that.
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What were some things that you kind of picked up on and learned along the way that kind
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of helped you realize, all right, well, I've led men, but these are 14, 15, 16, 17 year
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old boys.
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I can't exactly make them drop into the sand and do pushups, right, or anything like that.
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But like, how do you, how do you kind of like have an impact and influence on those young
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men?
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Yeah.
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And I think I think that was just a natural blessing that I had growing up and not having
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anybody in my life as far as a father figure, a lot of these young men that I was coaching
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single families, pretty poor backgrounds and stuff.
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And they really just needed somebody to teach them how to become a young man.
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And that was the beauty of it is that only thing I had to do was just listen to them,
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love them, and be hard on them at the same time, teach them about discipline and team
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building and leadership.
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And I didn't hold any punches with them.
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I was probably one of the meanest guys, but in the next minute, put my arms around them,
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hug them and tell them I love them at the same time.
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So you know, you draw that line in the sand of where you're going to stand and they will
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fall in line because kids, especially men, they crave to be around men and to be men
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and to be able to be leaders.
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And just teaching them that they just fall right into line because they crave that kind
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of desire.
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Well, also Joe, it's, it's high expectations because there are a lot of young men, because
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I've explained this a lot of different ways on the show, but it's like, if you set the
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expectations for a man right here, and then they end up here, that's bad because they
10:56
didn't meet the expectation and they're still really low.
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And for those of you just listening to this, I obviously have my hands towards the bottom
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of the screen.
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But as I put my hand at the top of the screen, if you set the expectations here and they miss
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it here, there's still this delta here, this tremendous amount of impact and improvement
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that they've made.
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So I think one of the problems that we have with men and young men is that we set the expectation
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bar so low and we don't demand anything more of them than what the minimum is.
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And then when they fail, we're shocked.
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It's like, well, we shouldn't really be shocked.
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And so you've got this job, you're working at Bremerton High School.
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You're wearing a Bremerton Knights shirt right now on the show.
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So guys watching on YouTube and rumble, you can see that.
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And so obviously a lot of people know where this story went.
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I mean, we're definitely going to ease our way into the story.
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But obviously you're not in a very conservative place.
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You're not in a state where it's not like Oklahoma where every single county votes red
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in the general election.
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And so you had to kind of know there was going to be some anti-Christian anti-faith, anti-conservative
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sentiments working for the government schools, because you're working in a public school
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in the public school system that gets their funding from the atheistic, I guess, federal
12:02
government and state governments.
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So did you get the sense that the people that were working there or maybe the school board
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that there were going to be a bunch of folks that were maybe not, you know, cool with the
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things that you believe, you know, behind closed doors?
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No, really it was quite the opposite.
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I know that the whole entire left coast is absolutely insane.
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And especially in the cities, you know, how crazy the liberal mindset is, and they just
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kind of group thought they have no original thoughts by themselves.
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But the people in our school was these people are my friends.
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We've worked together for almost a decade.
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And most of them are good, you know, God-faring to go to church, at least respected, you know,
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my faith.
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And I never thought that I would have a problem with this, and I always heard rumors about
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people, you know, getting in trouble for doing this kind of stuff.
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But I didn't care in the slightest bit because I was always open and honest about who I was
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in my faith.
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And I was going to exercise my rights as an American, it really wasn't a big Christian
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thing.
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It wasn't a big churchy thing to me.
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This was really all about me exercising my rights as an American to exercise my first
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amendment rights.
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Okay.
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So with that in mind, let's go ahead and get to what caused all the kerfuffle.
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And so obviously you were in your coaching duty, so you're wearing your Birmingham Knights
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gear and all that.
13:29
And at some point you decide that you were going to start preying on the field at the
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50 yard line.
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So this is not an uncommon practice, right?
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So we see this in high school and college in the in the pros.
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We see players gather and hold hands with coaches before games where you see it a lot
13:48
of times after games where guys will join up and do a prayer circle.
13:51
This is not an uncommon thing, but for you specifically for Joe Kennedy, what was the
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impetus behind you deciding, okay, at this point of the game or before or after the game,
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I'm going to go pray at the 50 yard line by myself.
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Take us through that.
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I was offered the job as a coach on a Friday and over that weekend, I said, you know, let
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me think about it.
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It's a big decision.
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I just got a Marine Corps.
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Do I really want to just start a whole new career now that I'm married and trying to
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raise a family.
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And so I'm up in the middle of the night watching TV and the movie facing the Giants
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came on and it was like God just stuck his fist right through the TV set, grabbed onto
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my heart and threw me on the ground.
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And I said, God, I'm all in for the first time in my life.
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I heard my calling and I right there on my living room floor and, you know, crying mess
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and I'm just sobbing and I'm like, God, I'm all in and I will give the glory after every
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game, win or lose right there on the 50 yard line.
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And that's the way it really started was just my covenant with God right at the very beginning.
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And from that moment on, I was, I was after every game taking any thanking God after every
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game and it was no big deal.
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Okay.
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And so did you have any consternation, any like hesitation?
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Cause I know some people, I remember when Tim Tebow would, you know, the tebowing thing
15:12
was a thing and he'd be on the sidelines in Florida and he'd be praying and people would
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throw that scripture out there like, Oh, I should be praying by himself.
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He shouldn't be making a public display of it.
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But it was like, guys, he wasn't telling, you know, uh, CBS where to point their cameras,
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like he just went to a place on the sideline by himself to go pray.
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And you know, you decided to, to put it on national television.
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But for you, was there any of that consternation for you whenever you're deciding, Hey, this
15:35
is what I'm going to do?
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Yeah.
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Not at the beginning, uh, when the school kind of, you know, started poo pooing it.
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That's when I started questioning and people kept saying, well, why are you doing this?
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And I had that real struggle because what do you do as a Christian?
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I mean, I, heck, I don't know.
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I don't know what the rules are.
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You know, they always threw that one verse out, go praying your closet.
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And man, I'm, I'm on the opposite spectrum of that and it's always give thanks to God.
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And it doesn't matter where you are, you could be in church.
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You could be on the 50 yard line, it could be at a restaurant.
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It shouldn't matter.
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I was looking at purely from an American lens and saying, it doesn't matter where
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you pray.
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I'm not, you know, I'm not the rule follower.
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I'm just going to think gives God, thanks for whenever and wherever it's due.
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Okay.
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And so at some point you're not doing this alone.
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At some point, people notice what you're doing and they start to join in with you.
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So take, take us through that.
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Like kind of, you know, what were you feeling?
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What was the sense?
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Like obviously, were you inviting people?
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Were you telling people, Hey, come and pray with me or else you're fired?
16:39
Like what, what exactly were you doing?
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Yeah.
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I, it must have gone on for, I don't know, the three, six months, something like that.
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Kids saw me out there after the game taking knee and I had a couple of my captains come
16:52
up and ask coach, what are you doing out there after the game?
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And I said, just thanking God for what you guys did out there and for being part of it.
16:59
And they want to know if they could join.
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I said, man, this is America and this is your team.
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You guys could do whatever the heck you want to do.
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And so they started coming out and it kind of grew and grew.
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And they asked, hey, can we invite the other team because, you know, it's a small community.
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These kids go to, they play pewees together and then they end up going to different high
17:18
schools.
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And they said, Hey, can we invite our friends from the other team?
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Yeah, your team, you guys could do whatever you want.
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So yeah, nobody ever cared if they showed up or if they didn't, it was never a big deal.
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Nobody even cared.
17:32
And there was times that, you know, if you lose by 60 points, obviously kids aren't wanting
17:37
to be thankful and, you know, sometimes if they win by 60 points, they're, they're so
17:42
excited that they forget about giving things to the one who made them.
17:46
So, but my thing was winter lose, job, didn't matter what the weather was, I was, I'd taken
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knee in the mud and just thank God after every single game.
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And as the years went on, it just did grow.
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And we did have everybody on our team, well, almost everyone on our team.
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And every team in our league out there praying together after, after the games in our last
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season, we had everybody out there.
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Okay.
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So this, this went on for years.
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As you said, it's kind of no big deal.
18:17
This is something that that happens all over the place all the time, but apparently someone
18:21
in a group of someone's did care about that and that was a school board.
18:24
And so at what point did you become aware that the school board was at the very least expressing
18:31
concerns over the practice?
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Well, I first heard because my, my wife, she, she was the HR director for the school district.
18:41
So she heard all the buzz going on and you can imagine being in HR, you hear everything
18:46
going on and we thought it was no big deal at first because everything came from a compliment.
18:52
One of the school officials sought from another school district, saw what we were doing and
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called their principal and just relayed that what we were doing was awesome with our football
19:01
program.
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So everything stemmed from this and we thought we would just ride it out.
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It's not a big deal.
19:07
It wasn't until the outside groups and it got it, you know, it goes viral overnight that
19:12
next thing, you know, that it's in the news and all these haters start showing up and
19:16
then the school starts getting all that pressure and that's when we knew that this was going
19:22
to just become a cluster and it, it became a mess really fast.
19:28
Okay, Joe, so I, as I understand it, and so correct me if I'm wrong, you began to, to
19:34
meet with a school board.
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I think it was their request for you to meet with them and they, they wanted you to stop.
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They said that this action, again, you praying after a game at the 50 yard line with where
19:45
people could just do it willy-nilly if they wanted to, that they said it was endangering
19:49
students somehow, which makes me think that the school board is full of illiterate dunces.
19:54
If that's what they believe somebody praying after a game that they safely made it through
19:59
is doing and that it's actually a dangerous thing.
20:02
But so did they request to have meetings with you and how did those meetings go?
20:06
Yeah, we met quite a bit.
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The superintendent is actually a really good friend of mine and yeah, we, we, we thought
20:15
we could work it all out just being, you know, normal people and talk it out and figure out
20:22
how to, how to navigate through this.
20:24
And we went through a couple different iterations of the, where they said, you know, we'll stop
20:31
praying with the team.
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So I stopped praying with the team.
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I never prayed with the team after they told me to stop praying with them.
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And then about a week later, the, uh, adjoining or the, the team that we were playing against
20:45
came and, and joined us.
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So they didn't know what to do with that.
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And they said, well, we just will eliminate the prayer altogether.
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That's where I knew, um, I had to make a stand in a, I had to draw a line in the sand and
20:58
say, no, this is just crazy.
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This is stupid.
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You guys are talking about hypothetical things here that somebody might be offended and, you
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know, this could cause a lawsuit.
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And I was always straight up and honest with these guys.
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And I was like, man, I guarantee I will fight for this because the rights of Americans is
21:16
more important than somebody's feelings.
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And that's really what it came down to is, is, uh, they got scared.
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And I said, I'm not going to live in fear, especially in this country.
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And I stood up for my rights.
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Yeah.
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Cowardis is a disease that is infecting so many places in society and certainly bureaucrats,
21:36
uh, really utilize, uh, cowardice at a lot of times.
21:40
And so obviously you decide you're going to continue doing this.
21:42
You decide that you're going to make a stand.
21:44
And then the school board decides, well, we're just not going to renew your contract to be
21:48
a coach.
21:49
And so it's, it's essentially being fired, but people be like, oh, they just didn't
21:52
renew his contract.
21:53
It's like, what is that called dummy?
21:55
Whenever you're a contract person is that, that basically means that you're being fired.
21:58
Okay.
21:59
And so you're fired from your job.
22:01
You're no longer doing this thing that if we go back to the beginning of this conversation
22:04
that you felt like God was calling you to do, take us through that.
22:07
What did that feel like?
22:08
I was very confused that something so stupid like this.
22:13
And, you know, I mean, we all work together.
22:17
We're all, this is a small community and we can't work this out ourselves.
22:21
I, I mean, even to this day, I can't understand why, why it made such a big deal.
22:26
And when they put the stamp on there that says, do not rehire, you know, that sealed
22:31
my fate on there.
22:32
And I just, I mean, I was in shock, I couldn't believe it.
22:37
And there's certain things that are worth fighting for.
22:39
And I didn't know if this was one of them at the time, you know, what, what do you do
22:44
with this?
22:45
This is a 15 second prayer on a football field.
22:47
Is this really worth losing your job, your team, potentially my marriage, all the things
22:53
that were going on and the fight that it took our community into?
22:57
And I really struggled with it and so did the school, but I was just, I, there was something
23:04
in my spirit that said, you know, it's those little things.
23:07
I tell these guys to fight for what is right, even if it's not popular.
23:11
And now all of a sudden I'm going to give up because it's become what difficult for
23:16
me.
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I mean, I would have been the biggest hypocrite in the world.
23:19
I had to stand up for what was right.
23:21
And this was obviously something so simple that that, that, you know, if I gave this
23:26
up, what's next, you know, the, if the first amendment falls, then the second and the third,
23:31
I mean, it just tumbles out of control.
23:33
And we've given up so much as the society of being, you know, backed up into corner
23:38
saying, well, that doesn't affect me.
23:39
That doesn't affect me.
23:40
Well, this affected me and it was going to affect everybody else.
23:44
And they knew that the right thing to do was just, you know, let us pray on, on the field
23:50
afterwards.
23:51
But instead of that, they wanted to live according to their fear.
23:55
And if they didn't want to stand up, well, heck, I, I sure the heck would.
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And I was willing to give up everything for this so other people didn't ever have to be
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Well, I think it's very interesting and I've said this law on the show, but especially
25:44
with conservatives and Christian conservatives, they never find a hill that's worth dying
25:48
on.
25:49
The way Eric Metaxa says it is they're leaving powder for tomorrow's battle, but the war
25:53
might be over by then.
25:54
And so you have all these people that they never really find something.
25:57
I mean, you go back to, we started a war over taxation, which is a fraction of the taxation
26:02
that we're experiencing now.
26:03
And apparently we're all just okay with it.
26:05
So at some point, you know, you obviously, Joe, you could have just, you know, taken
26:09
it and, you know, licked your wounds or just did something else, but you obviously made
26:12
a different decision.
26:13
You decided to sue.
26:14
And so you filed suit in the United States District Court for the Western District of
26:18
Washington.
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You sued to regain your job, but what was the, I guess, the scope of the lawsuit that
26:24
you filed?
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Yeah.
26:26
It was really super simple.
26:27
The only thing that I asked for was for them to clarify, you know, I wanted to be reinstated
26:33
as a coach, and I wanted it to be able to exercise my rights to pray after a football
26:39
game.
26:40
It was only two asks that I had, and it was something so simple as that.
26:44
It never changed.
26:45
It never varied from that.
26:46
And from the very beginning, for the next eight years, that's all I fought for was just
26:50
my right to be able to pray after a football game, and I mean, it was the simplest thing
26:56
in the world.
26:57
That's why it was so shocking to me that it went all the way to the Supreme Court twice
27:01
over something so simple as, can you pray after a football game?
27:05
It's simple to say, and it should be simple in practice as well, but so let's talk about
27:10
a little bit of the court proceedings without turning this into a courtroom drama, but you
27:14
lost an appeal, I believe it was at the ninth circuit of appeals, and then at that point
27:20
when you lose that appeal, there's only one other place to appeal to, and that is to the
27:24
Supreme Court of the United States.
27:26
And so obviously for those that aren't aware, not every case that is taken to the Supreme
27:30
Court is accepted by the Supreme Court.
27:32
The justices do get to decide which cases they are going to accept and deliver a ruling
27:37
on which ones are going to send back to the lower courts, all that kind of stuff.
27:40
And so take us through the process of you figuring out, okay, we're not just going to
27:44
let these appeals lie, we're going to take this all the way at the top.
27:47
Yeah.
27:48
But when they said the way that the lower courts ruled was, that was terrifying to me.
27:53
And with my biggest concern is that the lower court, the court of appeals, they said that
28:00
any display of religion in the public square can be grounds for termination, that freaked
28:08
me out.
28:09
Could you imagine that if that would have stuck anything?
28:11
If you were to wear a Yamaka or a cross or, you know, you know, a cross on your ears,
28:18
you know, the lunch ladies or anything, you think about any display of religion in the
28:23
public square that can get you terminated.
28:27
So that's where we absolutely had to keep fighting and to stand up for what we were doing
28:32
and take it all the way to the end because that kind of stand.
28:36
Okay.
28:37
So you said you're going to do it, but it's another thing.
28:40
Let's just, let's just take this slowly.
28:42
You appeal to the Supreme Court and they accept your case.
28:45
I forget what that's, that's exactly called.
28:47
It's, it's, you know, escaping me right now.
28:49
But what was that like where you're like, holy crap, we're, we're taking this to the
28:53
Supreme Court.
28:54
Yeah.
28:55
And that was weird.
28:56
That was really weird that, um, because, uh, I think about six or 7,000 cases get submitted
29:02
to the Supreme Court every year and they take maybe 60 of them.
29:06
So I mean, the chances are not good whatsoever.
29:10
And, and so when they did take it, I was like, man, this is our, this is our only chance
29:16
is that this is the last line of defense.
29:19
There's nothing else after this.
29:21
So I was going to have to live with whatever they were going to rule.
29:25
But I had that, I had the faith and confidence that I was on the right side of things.
29:29
The First Amendment seems so simple and so clear to me that I, I can't believe nobody
29:33
ever eat and didn't even look at the facts of the case.
29:37
Right.
29:38
If you just look at that alone, you would sit there and say, yeah, I mean, why is, why,
29:43
why are we even fighting this fight?
29:44
Why is this even in the courts?
29:46
So I, I was confident that the, the Supreme Court was going to look at it and rule on
29:51
what the constitution says and the facts of the case.
29:55
So constitution facts of the case, that's how it should roll.
29:58
But we have some people on the United States Supreme Court that aren't justices.
30:03
They are actually, you know, advocates.
30:04
They're basically a community organizers that got jobs or like theater kids that ended up
30:08
getting jobs on the Supreme Court because we live in the dumbest time in human history.
30:12
But take us through it because most people listening to this have never had a case.
30:16
Obviously go all the way to Supreme Court.
30:17
We really know nothing about it.
30:19
We hear about it in June, the most controversial of decisions.
30:22
We hear about those and then we can fight as to whether or not we agree or disagree with
30:25
what came down and whether or not we love or hate Justice Roberts at the, at the moment.
30:29
But from your perspective, how much involvement did you have in this case, how often were,
30:35
were you there?
30:36
Uh, you know, what was it like working with the lawyers, like just take us through the
30:39
process of your case now being at the Supreme Court.
30:44
And the, the only thing I really had to, that I was part of was the depositions and being
30:50
able to tell my side of the story and listen to, um, when they deposed all the people in
30:56
the school district.
30:57
Well, I sat in the same room as they were taking their depositions, which is pretty stressful.
31:03
It kind of sucks to sit there and hear your friends tell their side of everything good
31:08
and bad.
31:09
I mean, everything is out there for the world to see and you have to have some tough conversations
31:15
during that.
31:16
Um, the rest of the time, it's so frustrating because you, you're not part of anything.
31:21
Yeah.
31:22
Uh, lawyers prep for the, for the courts and every time they're in court, they tell us
31:27
what the game plan is.
31:28
We go through everything and you tell them all the things that we want to, like what
31:33
I want to say, but I'm not allowed to talk at all.
31:36
You're not allowed to say a single thing in court.
31:39
It's not like a law and order where you see them, you know, doing all this legal stuff.
31:44
It's one guy talking and the other T or the other side telling all their stories that aren't
31:49
even true.
31:50
And nobody questions them on it.
31:52
Yes, it is the most frustrating thing in the world just to have to sit there and listen
31:56
to people talk and tell your story and you got to put your trust into the lawyers and
32:01
that's what I did.
32:02
I had great lawyers.
32:03
God knew what he was doing when, when he got our legal team and we had the guy at, especially
32:08
at the Supreme Court, Paul Command, he's done more cases at the Supreme Court than anybody
32:15
else in history.
32:16
So we had the top guy, number one lawyer in the entire world, pleading our case.
32:24
And so I was confident, but it's frustrating and it's stressful just to put all your faith
32:30
and confidence in somebody else where you have no say in whatsoever.
32:33
That's not fun at all.
32:34
I'm a very controlling individual.
32:36
So even just the description of that, I got like secondhand anxiety just hearing you talk
32:40
about that.
32:41
But let's go ahead and get to June the 27th of 2022.
32:46
This is where you get the decision.
32:48
So give us the run up to decision day.
32:52
How are you feeling?
32:53
How is the team feeling?
32:54
Are you confident?
32:55
Are you pessimistic?
32:56
You're like, what's the feeling like in the locker room and then take us to the decision
33:02
itself?
33:03
Yeah, we were very optimistic.
33:05
My lawyers, they were probably more realistic than optimistic.
33:10
I was optimistic for the simple fact of this was just, this is stupid.
33:14
I can't believe this is even being, you know, this is even here.
33:19
But realistically, they were looking at it and saying that, hey, this could, we do have
33:23
nine justices and it could go whichever way and whatever, there's no recourse after this.
33:30
And so they were confident, but they were realistic that in life that you can lose these
33:37
things.
33:38
I, on the other hand, had all the faith and trust in my lawyers and in God that he wanted
33:43
of taking me through eight years of this crap to, to just lose.
33:47
And so I was, I was very optimistic all the way through to the end and it was, it was
33:54
stressful up to that point and my biggest thing was my biggest fear was that this, if
34:00
I did lose, I was going to screw this up for everybody in America, that anybody shown any
34:05
sign of religion in the public square could be terminated.
34:08
And that would have been on my watch.
34:09
It would have been because of my case and I screwed it for everybody in the entire country.
34:14
That was my only fear and I wasn't really concerned about necessarily winning.
34:19
It was, I didn't want to lose and have this be the precedent for all times and, and have
34:26
my name on that.
34:27
So up to the, to the moment when it did come out and, and you know that, uh, uh, Dobbs came
34:35
out the week before, which was the row versus way to overturn.
34:39
So, um, ours kind of came out, under the radar, even though we have more impact at this case,
34:45
had more impact on religious freedoms than any other case in history, which is so cool.
34:51
But that was a cool thing about God in a sense of humor is that he, he knew what he was doing
34:56
and he slid it right underneath Dobbs and he kind of went under the radar.
34:59
So we have more religious freedom now in America than we've ever had in the past 50 years,
35:05
which is to me, that's freaking awesome.
35:08
And, and it was not blown up and nobody, uh, really got to fight against it or, you know,
35:15
have riots or anything like they did over Dobbs and, and, and the whole abortion thing.
35:20
Ours was just, uh, kind of underneath the radar and I, I had that sense of, man, it
35:27
was just the weight of the world is off my shoulders now because I knew I was right.
35:32
Everything I stood for was, was true and the First Amendment does mean what it, what it
35:37
says it means.
35:38
Yeah.
35:39
So by a six, three decision, uh, the lower core rulings were overturned.
35:44
You had won.
35:45
This was finally, well, it was kind of over because part of this whole thing is that you
35:49
wanted your job back.
35:50
And so this was like this big, long thing, you know, almost a decade long of your life,
35:56
like where you're going through this entire process, not just for you, before all of the
36:00
other folks, uh, that could be caught up in the same position as you've already elucidated.
36:04
But then you take your job back.
36:06
And so part of me is wondering, cause as I understand it, you take your job, your job
36:10
back, you go back and you go back for one game and then you resign.
36:14
And so was that just like, did you go?
36:18
Did you go back?
36:19
You did the one game and you realize like, man, I really don't want to do this.
36:22
I'm out of here.
36:23
Was that the plan from the beginning?
36:24
Cause part of me is like, you know, I would have told them to, Hey, take two of these
36:27
and call me in the morning and like just been like, Hey, I did this all.
36:31
I drove y'all through the mud and now we're not even going to get the payoff in the end.
36:34
Take me through the decision making process of taking your job back, doing the one game,
36:39
then resigning and leaving.
36:40
Yeah.
36:41
So I showed up in the spring, uh, when they had to reinstate me, I showed up that day
36:45
for spring ball, uh, they gave me my reinstatement letter right there at the school district office.
36:51
I showed up, um, that day and said, Hey, I'm here to, uh, be reinstated and they kind of
36:57
weren't in panic mode, not, not really believing that I was going to show back up.
37:02
And I gave me my letter.
37:03
I went down to the high school and met the head coach and I said coach, here I am.
37:08
And he says, well, this sucks is, uh, neither one of us have, uh, any say in this.
37:12
So, um, you're going to be my coach and we'll make the best that we can.
37:16
Well, the school district had other plans and they started acting like a bunch of little
37:20
kids and said, Oh, well, you don't have this qualification in.
37:23
Take this, this class.
37:25
So for the first two weeks of spring ball, I didn't even get a step on the field.
37:29
I sat there and watched from the bleachers while they did all their practices and I was
37:33
taking all my little courses on CPR and, and all the other things that I needed to get
37:39
caught up over the past eight years.
37:42
So when, when I didn't get a joint at spring ball, I said, fine, you know, we'll play these
37:47
little games.
37:48
I, I'll meet all the things and we'll try again here in the fall.
37:51
And so I showed up for the first day of fall camp, um, uh, just like this, ready to go,
37:58
uh, and had all my qualifications.
38:01
So I worked out with the team that the two days had fall camp.
38:04
I worked out with the, with the team every single day, uh, but the, the school, they,
38:10
man, I, I, I just couldn't believe the way that they, they, they acted.
38:15
They, they wouldn't let me go in to the, uh, the coach's office.
38:19
I wasn't allowed to go into the, into the locker room.
38:22
I wasn't allowed to go to the meals with the kids.
38:25
I wasn't, uh, able to meet with the parents.
38:27
I wasn't too directly talk to the team.
38:30
I could do the raw, raw thing running up and down the field, but I couldn't address the
38:34
team or individuals, um, on the team.
38:37
So they made it really just, and they took all the fun out of coaching.
38:40
And I played the little game up to that, um, up to the, the first game that we had.
38:46
And then it was like, what do I do, uh, at this point, you know, they were like, stay
38:52
the heck out of our way, don't, don't, you're not, you have no responsibilities.
38:56
Just stay out of the way of us coaches.
38:59
And it left a bad taste in my mouth.
39:01
And after that first game, I said, you know, that I have better things to do with my life
39:05
than, than be treated like this.
39:07
And that now I'm a distraction for the team and everything else.
39:11
I'm like, man, I, I'm out.
39:14
And so my wife and I, that was our first decision.
39:17
We got to make in eight years, we made that decision together.
39:21
And so we said, you know, hey, let's let the school heal, let us go heal and, and go
39:27
move on with our lives because we don't need any of this, this crap that's going on.
39:32
And so it wasn't like I just showed up for one game and left.
39:35
There was a whole bunch of stuff behind it.
39:38
And, uh, and I just thought it was best to, to be able to walk away on my own terms instead
39:43
of, uh, you know, given into the pressure of those guys.
39:47
Yeah, pettiness, uh, it's a horrible thing.
39:50
It's a horrible quantity or quality in people rather.
39:53
And so, uh, unfortunately you had to deal with a, a few heaping, you know, servings
39:57
of that.
39:58
And so at some point, you know, you and your wife, your healing, you know, you've, you've
40:03
moved on to a degree, but now your story is going to be made into a major motion picture.
40:09
And so average Joe is, is a movie that was made about your situation guys.
40:13
You can go and stream that now, uh, there will be a link in the bio where you can go
40:16
and check that out or a link in the, the show notes of this rather.
40:19
And so let's talk about that.
40:21
Like, how were you approached?
40:22
How was your, your story turned in, uh, to, you know, a script, which was going to be
40:26
turned into a movie?
40:28
What was your involvement with the film?
40:29
Let's talk about average Joe.
40:31
Yeah.
40:32
It was really weird.
40:33
I had a guy come up to me after I, um, right at the very beginning of the court case, I
40:38
was going around telling the story and getting the public aware of, of what was happening
40:43
here in America.
40:44
And somebody heard my testimony and the guy said, man, that sounds like a movie and came
40:49
up to me and said, Hey, let's make a movie of this.
40:52
And I thought the guy was on crack.
40:53
You know, I'm sending on seriously, uh, this is not, this is just my life.
40:58
This isn't, uh, movie stuff.
41:01
And but he was adamant about it and we started development of it from that moment on.
41:06
And I always took it with a half grain of salt, they sent a writer up and we, um, if,
41:11
if you've seen the movie, we sat down on the couch and it was very much like that.
41:16
Um, the writer sat there on our couch.
41:18
My wife and I, we told our story, our life stories and, um, yeah, they kind of developed
41:24
from there.
41:25
And you know, we had COVID that happened all during that time.
41:28
We had the, the writer's guild, uh, they were on strike.
41:32
So there was a whole bunch of nonsense going on in, in Hollywood, but, uh, it just came
41:38
out right at the perfect time and, um, I was, I was part of the, the writing of it.
41:44
Uh, we got to go onto the set.
41:47
We actually did a cameo in the movie.
41:50
The, I got to meet all the actors that played me and, um, my wife got to meet with them.
41:55
It was, it was, it was a trip.
41:57
It was a really cool, cool experience to, to sit down and see your life kind of unfold
42:03
in front of you out there on the screen and see how movies are made.
42:06
Okay.
42:07
So you got to see how the sausage was made there on the front end.
42:10
So let's talk about the back end.
42:11
How do you think, uh, the film turned out?
42:13
How do you like it?
42:15
I, I really liked it.
42:16
Uh, I'd like the directors cut a whole lot better because it shows all the, you know,
42:20
the deleted scenes, all the bloopers, all the real stuff.
42:24
And you know, they got to cut everything down to, to fit into a normal size movie.
42:28
Um, I, I would have had some of the more controversial things in there, but we, the, the guys that
42:34
were the ones making it, they, they, they wanted to keep it, uh, PG-13 and, uh, my life
42:41
definitely was not PG-13, but I, overall it has a 98% approval rating on rotten tomatoes.
42:48
And that was my biggest thing is that I wanted it to be good.
42:51
I didn't want it to be some cheesy, you know, religious film.
42:55
I wanted this to be real life and I wanted people to be on an emotional roller coaster
42:59
where one minute they're laughing the next minute they want a punch of wall.
43:03
Um, I, I want them to feel what it, it's like to be a real American and to, and to have
43:08
a real story where it's not, you know, rainbows and butterflies and all that kind of stuff
43:13
that it shows down and dirty of life and, and, uh, tells our story that was true.
43:19
We didn't want to be Hollywood, we wanted a true story.
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And I think they did a phenomenal job of that, uh, director Harold Cronk, uh, and Eric
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Close had played me.
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I think they just did a fantastic job.
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These dudes were just, man, we're, we're still friends.
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We talk to each other about every week now still.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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Well guys, again, you can check that out on the show notes.
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I did want to, you know, shift gears away from the movie and your particular story.
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Something that I've talked about a lot on this podcast is about education and education
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of our children, because I have a four year old and two year old.
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And so, you know, when my wife was pregnant with our first born and we had a feeling it
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was going to come to term.
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It's like, Oh crap, we got to figure out how to like educate this thing.
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And so you start looking at all the options.
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You know, my wife and I are both products of public school, but obviously when we were
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in the public school system in the nineties and early 2000s, it's not like what it is
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today.
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Uh, you don't have some of the DEI programs.
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You don't have some of the woke school curriculum.
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You don't have some of this.
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Hey, we're going to put the white students on one side of the class and then all the
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students of color on the other side and we're going to have these kids apologize to these
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kids and we'll call it social emotional learning and you know, all these types of things, right?
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So we didn't have to deal with that.
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We didn't have to deal with, you know, people discussing trans identity and what's your,
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what is your gender feel like today and we're asking that to five year olds and kindergarten.
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And so the decision that I've come to is that there really are only two viable options for
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educating your children and that's vetted private Christian school and homeschool because
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the public school system, even if you live in a red state and I'll tell you the story.
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I've told on the, on the, on the show as well, the state of Oklahoma is as red as it gets,
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right?
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Every single county votes red.
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I think in the general election, it was us in West Virginia where every single county
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voted red and I live in one of the, the reddest parts of this red state, but not even 10 minutes
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away from my house.
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There's a middle school where one of my buddies had a kid that was in one of the classes in
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middle schools like English or something like that.
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A substitute teacher comes in and writes they slashed them on the blackboard and then turns
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around to the class, introduces themselves and says, hi, I'm such and such so and so,
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I'm non binary.
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What questions do you have?
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When their job is what page did you get into on, you know, Lord of the flies yesterday?
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That's their actual job, but they go up and do that.
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Now the toothpaste is out of the tube.
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Their, their young kid comes home and says, Hey, dad, what's non binary?
45:30
Like our, our teacher said that.
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And so obviously there are people that think, Hey, you can't vilify the entire public school
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system.
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There are great people that work there.
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There are Christian principles or our Christian school board members or our Christian
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parents that are involved.
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All that may be true, but you can't, as Vodie Bakam would say, send your kids off to the
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Roman schools and expect not to get back Romans.
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So where have you kind of landed even because you were not just behind the scenes, you were
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on the front lines of this battle for a very, very long time.
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Yeah, I, I'm 100% against public school.
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Now, I, I'm a product of public school.
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My wife worked for 20, you know, almost 20 years at four public schools.
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And we were pro public school until we did, like you said, um, when you see how the sausage
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is made, it's, it's horrible teacher unions alone is enough to just turn your stomach.
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But we don't teach our kids what they're supposed to learn.
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They're, they're, they're trying to raise our kids instead of teaching our kids.
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And I, so I've been 100% against public school ever since then.
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And I'm, I'm with you, man, take your kids, put them in a private school or you're going
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to teach them at home because they're not, they're only learning crap in, in schools
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of what, and I have to admit, they knew what they were doing and they plan this for a long
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time and, um, it was brilliant on their part.
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If you want to, you want to raise Romans, send them to the school, you exactly said
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it.
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So I am 100% with you that public school is not in the trash now.
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And unfortunately, most people don't have the funds or the resources to do the other
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alternatives to that.
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So a lot of kids are, are being led astray, obviously we can see where our society is
47:13
right now and where kids are, where they don't even know if they're a boy or a girl, give
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me a freaking break.
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If you need to, and well, parents in all of this too.
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So I mean, there's enough blame to be thrown around, but parents need to pay attention
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to what the heck's going on.
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And men especially need to start paying attention to their kids and be involved in their lives
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and know what the heck they're being taught and start teaching them how to be good men,
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uh, good men and women in society instead of the school, relying on the school to do
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it.
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And guys, I agree with that certainly, and there are a lot of resources for people that
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want to try to go the vetted private Christian route or the homeschool route because for
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some people are like, I can't afford private school and for some people that is legitimate.
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But like in the state of Oklahoma, I think Arizona, some other states, they have a universal
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school choice.
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They have these tax incentives for people that want to have their kids in private school,
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where they can pay for part of it.
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If they apply for it and there's things like that.
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And guys, there are so many homeschool resources out there that I'm personally aware of like
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for my wife and I were both entrepreneurs and so the homeschool thing wasn't really going
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to work out for us and kind of like our daily life and our daily activities.
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But for a lot of people, it's like, you're like, well, how can we possibly pull that off?
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There are answers to that.
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There are answers all over the internet.
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There are there are people that you can find Christian curriculum and a lot of things that
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you can do and again, it depends on what you want as a family and what you value because
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a lot of people will talk about with homeschool.
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It's like, look, my kids are done with their schoolwork by 10 or 11 a.m.
48:38
And then the rest of the day is, hey, they're helping out on the farm or hey, they're going
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out and doing this activity or going out and doing that activity.
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But some people don't necessarily value that as much because like with for my wife and I,
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we learned a lot inside the classroom, but we also learned a lot outside the classroom.
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We learned from being on teens and we learned from stuff we experienced in the hallways
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in the bathrooms in the locker rooms, we learned from a lot of different things.
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And so it's not just the education piece, it's what else are they doing with that time.
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And so as parents, yes, you need to be involved.
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You need to make the best decision for your kid and not just, you know, turn your brain
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off and just send them off to the Roman schools.
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But Joe, I really appreciate all the time that you've been with me.
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I want to make this the last question of the day.
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What are you doing now?
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And what does the future hold for you and the rest of the Kennedy clan?
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Yeah.
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Well, we moved down to Pensacola, Florida to take care of my wife's dad who's not doing
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well with health-wise.
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And so we'll be with him for the rest of his days.
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But in between then, this is going to be the big year, 2025 is our year that we're going
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to make some major decisions on what we're going to do with our lives and go with whatever
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God direction God's pulling us to.
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We're looking at a bunch of different ministries and this is going to be the year.
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It's going to be huge for us.
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And we're really excited and very optimistic about what's going to happen in 2025, especially
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with the new regime coming in for the presidency in the House and the Senate.
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I'm optimistic for America and I want to be very much part of it and being proactive
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in making this country a hell of a lot better than what it has been in the past.
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Okay.
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Well, Joe, I really appreciate it again.
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We did it out of this.
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I really appreciate you taking us along on this journey and telling us your story.
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But that's all for me.
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Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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No, I appreciate it, buddy. I look forward to coming back over to see my friends in Oklahoma
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and meeting with you live and doing this.
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Okay.
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Sounds good to me.
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Let me know.
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Thanks, Joe.
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There you go.
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