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This is undaunted life a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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Joby Martin is good to see your face.
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But here's the thing, guys, if you listen to the ask a pastor/podcast or from last month,
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neither one of us came prepared because we didn't know who was supposed to be asking the questions.
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But this month, as promised, you were supposed to be asking me the questions.
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But it's so bizarro backwards world.
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I forgot to even hit the record buttons initially just a second ago.
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Because I was like, yeah, hey, you're driving, so let's go, Joby.
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Well, I am ready. These are hot off the press, mostly from our staff members.
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So people that listen to the show and have questions for you, are you ready?
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Well, I'm ready. But just to give everyone a peek behind the curtain here,
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every time I ask Joby questions on ask a pastor, he has not seen them.
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Like if I ever have to ask him about an obscure passage of scripture, I give him a heads up.
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But neither one of us see these questions.
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And so there's nothing to prepare for.
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So I'm a little scared, but I'm excited. Let's go.
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All right. First question is for me. Why undaunted life? Why you, why now?
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You asked that one all the time to authors.
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Oh, OK. Yeah. So why the name or why undaunted life in general?
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Yeah. Why the, you know, kind of the purpose of the mission of it and why you.
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Yeah. Ultimately, it goes to when I was in my 20s and really started digging into the Bible
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for the first time myself, this is around the same time I read, wow, to heart for the first time.
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And I just saw this inequity between what manhood was portrayed as inside the church,
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which was ultimately don't do that stuff here and what I saw like in real life.
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And like Jesus seemed like a real dude, not, not like just in the flesh, but like a dude,
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like a dude, dude, like a man, like a, like a bad dude, you know what I mean?
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Like in a good way, don't clip that people on the internet.
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But like that's, that's what I saw. And so I just got this burden in my 20s, Joby,
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my early 20s for like tough guys for guys that like worked with their hands for a living or
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fought or, you know, we're, you know, in the military or, you know, LEO or something like that.
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I thought they might miss out on who Jesus was because his followers were so weak and soft.
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And so again, you know, if you read scripture closely, that's not exactly how it works.
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We don't have to get into all the elect and all the other stuff and irresistible grace and all that.
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But that's where that all kind of came from. And, you know, in your early 20s, no one will trust
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you with anything like, you know, potato gun, much less like a new ministry. And so I kind of
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helped some other men's ministries get going. But they were kind of like camp based stuff and
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all they wanted to do was just like, you know, repackage John Eldridge stuff, but for, you know,
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an in person audience. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But there's so much more that can be done.
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And it eventually became clear that I just need to kind of do something on my own just because
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my engine and my brain just goes so fast. I don't want to have to have a committee meeting
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every time we want to change the font on the website. And so like, you know, it's just kind of
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one of those deals that I wrote the devotional for the uversion Bible app expecting it not to be
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accepted and for no one to read it. And not only was it accepted, it was read and finished by
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tens of thousands of people. And I was like, holy cow. And so it's like, I guess I have to keep doing
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this. And so here we are. Yeah, but what I released that 10 years ago, Joby, that was in 2016 when
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that devotional came out. So this is technically the 10 year anniversary of undaunted life. I should
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figure out when that was exactly released. But yeah, that's ultimately it. Just an overwhelming
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burden for men. And then, you know, people just kept listening. So I kept saying stuff.
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So shout out to you version. They just went over a billion subscribers. A billion downloads on a
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billion devices. Yeah, a billion would be insane. Yeah. So shout out to Craig Rochelle and that whole
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team. All right. Next question. I don't know who it's from, but I'm sure they're great. How do you,
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Kyle guard your heart from chasing numbers instead of chasing faithfulness? Okay, you want to,
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this is going to sound ridiculous. I just don't look at them. That's how, because here's the thing,
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I like scoreboards, right? This whole concept of like kids, leagues where they don't keep score
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and stuff like that. I'm like, that's ridiculous. I'm keeping score, right? The kids are keeping
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score in their heads. So we might as well have a scoreboard that plays it. But the thing is,
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is someone will ask me, they'll be like, Oh, you know, last year when Wes Huff came on, or recently,
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when Willie Robertson came on, or like, Hey, do your numbers go up when Joby comes up? Because
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Jacksonville's in like your top three audiences or, you know, Hey, is the forging table still standing
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strong, you know, with your solo episodes? And my answer is, I don't know. Oh, in same thing with
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money, like donations, like, well, I met dinner with my wife the other night. And she asked me,
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like, Hey, how was January for on dawn? And I was like, like what, like downloads, like donations,
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whatever. She's like, yeah, like donations, I have no idea. She's like, you have no idea.
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And that partially goes to the fact that, you know, we have margin in our finances. So we're not
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waiting for that extra $25 donation to come in so we can pay our electric bill or something like that.
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But I just don't worship at the altar at numbers. So and to prove it, someone asked me in December
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last year, they're like, Hey, where are you at year over year from 2024 to 2025 in terms of your
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podcast? And I was like, I should go look that up. And they're like, dude, it's December. What do you
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mean you should go look that up? I'm like, I don't know. And so I went in there and yeah, we were up
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like, I don't know 30 or 40% from the year before. But the reason why I don't look at the scoreboard
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as it pertains to this ministry is because I don't want it to influence what I talk about.
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So like, let's say I do a solo episode on pick a subject and it gets a lot of downloads or not very
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many that I don't want that to encourage me to be like, Oh, I should talk more about that subject
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because it got me more listeners or followers. Like I talk about what I feel like God wants me
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to talk about. And dude, before I record, I kind of just steal your line. I'm like, God,
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this is your audience. What do you want me to tell them? Like daily blade God, this is your
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audience. What do you want me to give them this week? And you know, lo and behold, you know,
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for nine straight years of the podcast, he's given me something to talk about.
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So if somebody did wanted to donate to Undaunted Life, how did they do that?
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Yeah, so we have we have two ways to donate. So like if you if you need a tax ride off, you can
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actually donate to the to the Daily Blade. And so if you go to New Horizons Foundation, New Horizons
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with an S and search for the Daily Blade, you can actually donate to the work that Joby and I are
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doing because it does cost quite a bit to pull that off because we're never going to do ads or
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sponsors. So that is a 501(c)(3) thing. You'll get all the tax stuff or whatever. But if you just
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want to donate directly to Undaunted Life, it's just undaunted.life/donate. You can find that on our website.
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Very good. All right. Next question. How do you help men who feel like they've failed beyond repair?
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Well, I do get a lot of those messages, unfortunately, like in the in the emails or whatever, like,
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hey, I've done this or I had this behavior or I have this addiction, they talk in the present tense.
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It's almost always sexual, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I was trying to think of other examples,
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but bro, it's, I mean, 75%, 80% of the time it's, you know, they had an affair or they've got a
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porn addiction or they say they have a porn addiction, they don't. Like, you're not addicted to porn.
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Like, if porn was deleted from the earth, you wouldn't die. Like, that's basically indicative
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of what an addiction is. But I ask, I try to ask questions to surmise where exactly they're
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coming from, but it all kind of circles back to the same place, which is, hey, bro, are you alive?
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Which just seems like a really stupid question, but they're like, uh, yeah, podcast for guy, I'm alive.
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I'm like, oh, okay. So I guess God's not quite done with your story, right? And so it's like,
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what do you think the word redemption means? Right? I remember when Tiger Woods won a golf
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tournament years ago, after he was slinging it all over the place, and I don't mean golf balls.
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And you know, he here is, he's, you know, broken down and his whole world's upside down and everybody
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leaves them except Nike, including his family. Everybody leaves them. He's on his own. And then
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he wins a tournament and it was like redemption, redemption. I'm like, bro, redemption is a theological
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term. We're not talking about golf tournaments here, right? Great. I'm sure it was great for,
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for Nike, red polo shirt sales and for, you know, for the sponsors, for CBS, for whoever was showing
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it. But at the end of the day, it's like, bro, you're alive. You're alive. This idea that you're,
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what you've done is irredeemable is indicative of a misunderstanding of what the gospel actually
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is. It's not, yeah, yeah, the gospel applies, but not for these people. It goes back to the
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Lily Phillips stuff I was talking about on the show a while back. It's like, whoa, wait, wait,
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you think the gospel applies for everyone except for professional whores? It doesn't apply for
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those people. Those people can't be redeemed because they've had sex with thousands of men.
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No, that's just their flavor of depravity. And it's at a different level than yours.
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And you're placing yourself above that person in the sin hierarchy. That's not how any of this works.
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Amen. Amen. Preach it, buddy. All right. What do you wish more men understood about emotional
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leadership in the home? Ultimately, that they should strengthen the lion inside of them
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while working more on the lamb, right? Now, I don't typically have, well, actually, I was about to
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say something that's actually not true. There's a lot of guys that need to work on the lion,
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right? Because they are weak-willed. They're weak-bodied. They're weak in terms of leadership,
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in terms of headship, in terms of pursuing the hearts of their lives and their children,
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especially their daughters, for whatever reason. And so they really need to work on the lion,
11:12
right? They need to learn how to fight. They need to have more of a kind of like a grisled
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body that's ready for the work of the gospel and everything else. But at the same time to the guys
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that are aggro, to the guys that freaking love deadlift, and they love all the intense stuff and
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the fighting, and they're just waiting on the day for the perp to come in their front door like
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all the things, those guys need to work on the lamb a little bit more. And I'm in the process too,
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guys, of how do I yo-yo that? Because like right now, like peek behind the curtain even in my own
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marriage, this is going to be shocked to everybody, but I'm fairly direct in how I talk to people,
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right? And I try to get to the point as quickly as possible, even though sometimes I tend to
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blow the eight, but I try to get to the point, try talking to your wife that way, where you just get
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right to the point. Here's the truth. Well, dad, go, man, like let's just get right to the truth. Well,
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that doesn't work. So I've kind of shifted over to the, all right, let's tip toe through the tulips
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and let's kind of weave in and around the point that I'm trying to make. And then I
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exasperate my wife a little bit because she's like, what is he trying to tell me? And so it's like,
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I've gone to two or direct to aggressive to aggro to the other side, which is like,
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la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, like meandering around the point, trying to find that that middle
12:22
thing. It may seem like a communication thing that I'm needing to figure out. But no, that's an
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emotional thing I'm trying to figure out. How do I regulate my own emotions to where I don't like
12:32
scare someone to death while at the same time communicating something that is important to the
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household. And so I think for a lot of guys, it's just emotional regulation, Joby. It's like,
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why do they look at porn? It's because they're lonely and they feel like they're owed something.
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And so they pull out their phone and they look at porn and masturbate. Why do men drink alcohol
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to excess? Even though they know they have an alcohol problem, why do people use nicotine and
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excess? Even though they know they're addicted to it? It's because emotionally, they think they
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deserve it. And they don't know how to just regulate their emotions. They don't know how to tell their
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brain, Hey, shut up, dude. Get your, get your gym bag, get your shoes on and go work out.
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Like stop feeling sorry for yourself. And they try to, you know, use Cam Haines clips and David
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Goggins clips and they try to use clips of me or 31 day resiliency reset to like get them in the
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mood. It's like, bro, just go do it, regulate your emotions, make them some servient to your
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discipline and the things that you need to do. Yeah, commentary I would add is the two extremes,
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the some men are afraid of the emotions of their wife, right? Yeah. And they let her emotions rule.
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That's not good, dude. But then the other extreme is you advocate, like you don't care at all about
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the emotions of your wife. So the kind of down the middle of the fairway is you understand you
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are responsible. And simultaneously, you've got to take into account, like the emotional state of
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your wife. But I agree with everything you say, Hey, by the way, thanks. Apparently, I haven't done
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your 31 day reset, but yeah, a bunch of people have because apparently you said write your pastor
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like, thank you note. Yeah, I got 1000 or something this week, or whatever the day was,
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I don't know what day we all hit on one day. So everybody started January or everybody started
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having many days ago. Yeah, January one. Yeah, you got hit with a bunch of them, bro. So
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that was cool. That's really neat. To be on the back end of a ministry that you're doing. You
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know what I'm saying? Well, Joby, so the thing was, is I had a daily challenge because there's stuff
14:30
that you had to do every day, where you had to listen to the daily blade, you had to read, you know,
14:34
a couple of passages of scripture, you know, you couldn't drink alcohol, you couldn't masturbate,
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you couldn't, you know, eat sugar. There were, you know, do's and don'ts that were every single day.
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But then there was a different daily challenge. And yeah, that's hilarious, because for the guys
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that started on January one, the day where it said, write your pastor a note or an encouragement or
14:52
something of some kind. So I guess it hit a bunch of them at the same time. Yeah, my inbox,
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I was like, man, I must have preached good this week. Look at all these things, but it was actually
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you know, my fault. You're all you. All right. Next question. What is the enemy's main strategy
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against men right now? This is kind of a generic answer, but I think you'll, you'll follow me
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whatever has a hold of you. That's his main strategy. And so because you take a room of 100 men,
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your best guess is that probably sexual sin, as we've already talked about in this conversation,
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sexual sin is probably going to be at the top for the majority of those men. But I've literally
15:32
Joby talked to men that are like, yeah, I don't really get porn. It's just kind of weird and gross.
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And they mean it. And they're, it's not like they're suppressing same-sex attraction. They're like,
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yeah, I've just watched it. I'm like, why do people watch this? This is weird. I think a lot of that
15:42
is kind of conditional and habitual. Yeah. Like if you have it looked at it in a really long time,
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and it is not a part of your normal life. When you see it, you're like, what are people even
15:54
thinking, you know? So yeah, I agree. It shocks. Yeah. It shocks the central nervous system. But
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like for some guys, it's like it's going to be the chemical. You're going to get pulled into the
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chemical side of things. And so it's like what Satan's looking at you. He's looking at your game
16:08
film. And he's like, what is going to distract this person from the work of the gospel? I'm
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specifically talking about Christian men. Because if you're busy getting drunk, not only are you
16:16
destroying your witness because people typically don't get drunk, you know, by themselves, even
16:20
though that is a problem as well. But if you're an abbreviated or you can't wait for that next
16:25
cocktail, then are you thinking about sharing the gospel with the bartender? No, you start checking
16:30
them out. Like that's a little bit different. Dude, my college roommate, I got him the drunk
16:34
evangelist. He like grew up in church and all that. And he would come to some Bible studies with me
16:37
and he hardly ever drank. But dude, when he had a few in him, he'd be like, Jesus loves you, man.
16:42
And he'd be I was like, Hey, man, I don't think this is doing what you hope. If you do get drunk,
16:48
if you were quiet, it might go better for your witness. All right. How do you prepare for interviews?
16:54
Because I will say I've done as many podcasts as a guest as a human can do, I think. And there's
17:03
some really good ones and there's some that are less good. But the first time I ever met you,
17:08
part of the reason we connected is your you were different. And it had, I assume it was because of
17:14
your preparation was a part of that. So how do you prepare for an interview? I know the answer to
17:19
this, but I want people to hear it. Yeah. So funny thing is, is the very first book that I was given
17:26
before it was released. So this is the arc copy, the advance readers copy was actually take heart
17:31
by Matt Chandler. Okay, I remember getting it in my inbox and being like, Oh, no one has this.
17:38
I'm the only person that has this. Like the sky has opened up and the muse has given this down
17:43
to me and all that. And I thought it was, it was precious to me. And guess what? There was no
17:49
interview forthcoming. But I also remember the, you know, the next time I had an interview coming up
17:55
with an author that had a book coming out and I was sent a PDF copy and I cherished it
18:01
because I was like somebody put a lot of effort into this book. And I remember my mindset,
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Joby, this is, I mean, my first interview was episode 100, right? And we're 800 and some
18:10
odd episodes in, right? I remember thinking at the least I can do, the absolute least I can do is
18:17
read this book before I talk to this person, because they gave years of their life thinking and writing
18:23
to make 250 pages happen. I might as well read it. And I just kept doing that over and over and
18:30
over. And the problem with most podcasts is they're lazy, right? They either take the PDF, throw it
18:35
in a chat GBT and say, give me podcast questions. But they're very, very generic. I understand I'm
18:40
a little bit of a weirdo, a little bit of a psychopath. My brain just works differently. I see patterns
18:44
while I'm reading stuff that wouldn't, you know, a, you know, a large learning language model would
18:51
not give me or something like that. And so for me, if it's, if it's a book, I will read the entirety
18:57
of the book. And then I make, I make notes as I'm reading it, right? And hey, well, I should
19:03
probably ask about this. Hey, this didn't really jive with what, you know, was later on in the book.
19:06
I need to get some clarification. But I just always have my audience in mind. And the way I
19:11
prepare my questions is if this person is just right down the middle, super basic answers exactly
19:18
what I say doesn't get off on any tangents, then here are the questions that they're going to answer
19:22
in a row that's going to lead to an overall narrative arc for this interview and be a service
19:27
to or a minister, a ministry to my men that are in this audience and my five percent or shout
19:32
out to the five percenters. But then it's like, all right, some of my best interviews are where I
19:36
don't get to a third of the questions and we just bounce all over the place. Like I recently did an
19:40
interview with Brad Thor that I'll probably be out before this comes out. You know, one of the best
19:44
selling thriller authors of all time, we didn't get to most of my questions because we just kept
19:49
going off on tangents and it was awesome. But the reason I was able to go off on those tangents is
19:52
because I knew the material, right? I was, I was familiar with the material. It's like jazz
19:57
musicians. They know all the notes, right? Then they can just kind of flow and go nuts, right?
20:02
And so that's how I approach it. It's like, look, it's the least I can do to consume your material
20:06
and then it typically leads to a more unique interview for them and for me.
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And you read all, even if you don't love the book, you give it a real gracious rendering, right?
20:16
Yes. And here's the other thing. I say yes to the interview before I read the book
20:21
because I don't have the time to risk reading a book because I am a slow reader and a slow
20:27
absorber of information through the written word for whatever reason. And so I can't take
20:31
the risk of spending five to 10 hours reading a book to realize, man, this is a heaping pile of
20:35
garbage. And then, you know, go, go from there. I just say yes to the interview. I try to find
20:41
something in the book that's not awful. And most of the time, you know, we can make that happen
20:47
pretty easy. Yeah. And then you don't, you also don't mind challenging parts that you need clarity
20:52
or you disagree with. I like that too. All right. Yeah, because I don't, yeah, just a one quick
20:57
thing. I just, I don't want to do gotcha stuff. And so I have done before where before we start
21:03
recording, I will tell them, Hey, a few parts of your book, I didn't really understand it.
21:08
And or I just flat out disagree with with your assumption. If it's okay with you,
21:13
I'm going to very lovingly and fairly push back on you. I'm not looking for a gotcha or anything
21:18
like that. But I have to ask the question that my audience would ask if they were in my seat. So
21:22
as long as you're cool with a little bit of tension during the interview, we should be okay. And it
21:26
typically works out fine. Hey guys, real quick, you may have noticed a lot of companies out there
21:31
that are advertising and marketing that they're American companies. But guess what guys,
21:35
all of their manufacturing and all their jobs are overseas, right? These companies are manufacturing
21:41
overseas in order to increase their profit margins. But they're allowing globalism to put America
21:46
and Americans behind. And I've been wanting to partner with an American company with really all
21:51
across the board American companies that prioritize American workers, their families and keep their
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word. And guys, I've been working with this company for so long, we're going on, I think four or five
22:02
years now. That's why I want to remind you that we are partnered with Origin. Origin is an apparel
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All right. Next question. Ask Kyle about the story of his father and about his relationship
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with his dad, like growing up and now. Yeah, I mean, the first thing I think about when I think about
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my dad, Mr. Thompson, is he's just my biggest fan. Like, since I was a little kid, like,
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he came to every single ball game, every single practice, he worked his butt off in a factory,
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like, so that, you know, we never went hungry and we're never cold. When it was cold outside or hot
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when it was hot outside. And so he just absolutely busted his tail and worked his worked his butt
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off to just do the best that he could. And so, you know, like with any father, he's got a lot of
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faults, but I just try to not focus on those as much as the things that he did spectacularly well.
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And well, I, I'll think of one, one story in particular. So this would have been my freshman
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year of, so this would have been ninth grade and in Lawton at the time where I grew up,
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ninth grade was still middle school. So you weren't in high school until 10th grade. So
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our ninth grade baseball team was unbelievable. Like we had several guys that went on to play
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in college. We were undefeated that year anyway, but somehow, some way I led the team in home runs.
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So I was the home run hitter. I was a cleanup guy or whatever. Let's go. And so at the time,
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my, you know, my parents sort of arms you have, dude, I have the dumbest body ever. I've got the
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torso of a midget, but I've got like the arms of a basketball player, like nothing makes sense.
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And so if my mom was at the game, she would usually sit in the bleachers, right? And then my
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dad didn't want to be anywhere near her because of course they hate each other and blah blah.
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And so he would park his truck out beyond the right center field fence. And he had like this
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old, it was sweet. It was this gray, Chevy step side four by four single cab truck. And he would
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just sit on the hood of his truck with some corn nuts and some sunflower seeds and a Pepsi.
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And he would just watch his boy play ball. And I do it. I will remember this until the day that I die.
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So I had this thing that even though I led the team in home runs and even though I had hit quite
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a few home runs, I never knew if I got it all. And I never wanted to be the guy that hit the ball
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stare like was staring at it. And then it lands like at the bottom of the fence. And here I am
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just rounding first base. And so boom, I hit this ball. I mean, I crushed it, but I didn't think
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I crushed it. And so there I come. And I'm, you know, peeling out around first base. And I see the
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left fielder turn around. And you know, the ball's like long gone. And immediately, when I realize
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it's gone and I start my trot, I look out to right center field. My dad is losing his mind so much.
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He about fell off the hood of his truck. Right. Like an audience of no one, no one else is sitting
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out there. Right. And he and I just kind of had a moment where I was just like, at least did you
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get in my life? I hope so. Like I'd have to ask him. But like, I think I did something to acknowledge
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dad like out there like, yeah, let's go. But at the same time, I never wanted to show up the
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pitcher and all that, you know, just run the bases act like you've been there before. My dad
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taught me that, you know, it's a Barry Sanders approach to life. And so yeah, that's the thing
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with with my relationship with my dad is he's just he's such a fan. He loves everything I do with
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undaunted life. He's just so proud of me. And so that's helped me with my boys just to let them know
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any chance I can to tell them that I'm proud of them that I love them or to just be there.
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I'll be there like I will inconvenience other people in order to make space to go to practices
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and go to games. And that's just the way I want to be. What's the last time you went to see? It's
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been about a about a month or so. So I need to make sure I get back down there pretty soon.
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Yeah, I'm going to hold you to that. I know you had a plan and snowpocalypse ruined that. But yeah,
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it sure did. All right. I'm only on the on that one. Next time we talk offline. All right. I like
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this one. What disciplines or habits fostered your maturity and credibility as a young man
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in professional space is the most. And which ones did you wish that you had started earlier?
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That's a good question. Yeah. Ultimately, I would say
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because of there's there's a dumb one and there's a not so dumb one,
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which one you want first do dumb so we can end on a good note flossing. So nobody likes to floss.
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It's a discipline that nobody wants in their life. And I started the discipline of flossing
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before I before they had like little flossers that you could put in a cute little bag and just
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pull it out and there's a one use and you chuck it. This is when you had to get out the string
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and wrap it around and cut the circulation off on your fingers. Get in there and clean up your
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teeth or whatever. But like, I didn't grow up flossing. I was just kind of like an afterthought.
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But then as an adult, so I got blah, I should probably be an adult and floss. And you know,
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inconvenient it is when you're like hunting or camping or something like that. And then it's like,
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you know, all you want to do is roll into bed after you smoke a cigar around the campfire or
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whatever. But it's like, no, I go and get my floss because it's part of the daily discipline
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of doing that. Like even if it's inconvenient, even if I don't want to, I'm gonna. And then the
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other side of it is just exercise. The exercises and the workouts that I put myself through are
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fairly preposterous. Ask people that that come and train with me like they're just they're dumb.
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Like I just like I try to like just push myself to the absolute limits. And here's the thing,
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people like, man, you must really love exercise. It's like, nope, I don't. If I could just boop,
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hit a button and magically have all of the benefits of exercise, like cardiovascular,
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you know, how you look in a t-shirt, all the different things, I would take it. I hate it.
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I hate the process this morning. I just I was staring at the air dime bike. Like it was like
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it was an enemy that was trying to take my cattle from me, right? I was like, and you train in your
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garage, and you don't have heat in there, right? Yeah, there's no there's no heat. There's no air.
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So when it's hot in there, it's hot in this morning. It was about 20 degrees or so outside.
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And so it's really cold in the garage. Like at one point, I'm like grabbing the barbell, like,
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I'm I think my hands are about to stick to this thing. Like, you know, in here, I am trying to get
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my my session over with, but it's it's that daily discomfort. And you and I talked about this,
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there are a lot of pastors out there that don't have a hard hobby, right? And so they get pulled
29:22
toward monies and honeys and all that. But it's like, you know, how easy it is to say no to a
29:27
porn temptation when you just got through doing a 20 on 10 off for 10 minutes on an air dime bike.
29:33
Like that's way harder than, you know, having to prepare for a daily blade or having to, you know,
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you know, do something that's a little bit difficult on the business side of things or family side of
29:42
things. And so that's just such a discipline in my life that unless I've been injured or, you know,
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coming off surgery or something like that, I'm just in the gym. I'm just making it happen.
29:52
All right. Next question, kind of in the similar vein, what do you do for endurance on a super busy
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and exceptionally long day? How do you keep up your energy and focus?
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So, I mean, I know most guys are like, they're drinking coffee or they're they're crushing energy
30:09
drink or they sick, like 17 zins in their upper lip, like our boy Hunter Hanks or whatever, shout
30:14
out. But like, I don't ever want to think to myself, man. So, so let's say you're a Zen person,
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right? And you're out and you're in the middle of nowhere and there's nowhere to get you a new can
30:27
of whatever winter green zins or something like that. Are you just going to quit whatever you're
30:32
doing? Are you just going to sit there like a child in the dirt and wait for someone to bring
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you a can as in so that you can operate? Well, of course not, you're just going to make it happen.
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And so it's the same thing I do when I work out with people. Like this one guy, we're working out
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and he's dying like we're running sprints and I love it because he's dying. He's over there like
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huffing and puffing. He's looking at me and he goes, Hey, can you at least look like you're tired?
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Like he could. But the thing is is I'm dying too. But I don't look like it. I'm trying to have
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stone face, right? Hey, this ain't bothering me. This ain't nothing. And so I'm trying to convince
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myself that this ain't nothing. So let's go back to the scenario day started early for whatever reason
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and it's going late for whatever reason. What am I supposed to do? Just tap out on the day?
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Just be like, Oh, this is a hard one. I'll try again at life tomorrow. No,
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you're saying mindset is like the the foundation of it.
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Yeah, because the thing is, is if your mindset is fueled by caffeine or nicotine or some other
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stimulant of some kind, Oh, I haven't taken my new tropics today. So I'm not going to be able to,
31:39
you know, finish my thing for work or I ran out of Adderall. So I guess I can't take this college
31:44
test or whatever your excuse is. Like, well, no, like you, you set your mind to it and you just,
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again, you tell your inner whatever. Hey, shut up. Like, I understand you've got some things to say,
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but I got some things to do. And so let's work on the doing part.
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Yeah, I was offended by the question and it comes from somebody on my staff. Like,
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I want to go find out who this is. Like suck it up buttercup is what I would say.
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But also, if you were habitually, you keep running out of gas, you need to pay attention to the
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rhythms of your life. But sure, you might have some hormones that are off. And if yeah, if every
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day at 11 o'clock, like you're, you're out of gas, you might have something, yeah, you need to
32:25
supplement in your life or change your change your diet or, you know, change something like that. But
32:29
most people don't have that problem. It's kind of like most people that are fat don't have a
32:33
thyroid problem. They have a moving to a little eating too much problem. Okay, good. I want to
32:38
talk about that more. But we're not going to. I guess I would just say, well, one of the things,
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especially that I'm talking to pastors, man, the magnitude of the impact of your ministry will be
32:49
directly related to the amount of pain you could endure. So you, Matthew chapter 20, see Jesus,
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like, that's just it. So if you can't handle it, then you're just going to be a one talent guy.
33:02
That's just what it is. So hey, Joey, shout out to those preachers that are like, like our boy
33:09
Chandler going and doing something like jujitsu. So Chandler sticks out like a purple hat with a
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yellow bill. Like that guy can't hide anywhere. Like he's too loud. He's too well known. He's too tall.
33:20
And at the age of what? Well, when did he start jujitsu at the age of 45?
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I mean, he's 50 now. So 48. So my guy, probably. Yeah. So he's, yeah. So he's, he's passed his
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physical and athletic prime, as all of us would be at that age. And he walks in as this accomplished
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preacher, maybe the preacher, the Charles Spurgeon of this generation, you could say,
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Amen. And he goes, and he goes in there and puts on an ill-fitting ghee and a white belt
33:47
and says, all right, let's go. And he's at four megas. He's at double five. Yeah,
33:52
those are kids. That's a lion's den over there. And they don't take kindly to soft people.
33:58
He didn't need to do that. And so, but he's, he's making himself subservient to that. He dominates
34:05
every area of his life. And he's, he's having the blue belt blues right now. Like he and I've kind
34:10
of talked about, he's like, I just keep getting smashed by the same guys and things aren't working
34:13
and blah, blah, and takes me back to my blue belt days to where it's like, Hey, man, you know what
34:17
you need to do? You need to pop in at some crappy gym and go smash and white belts, right? Just go
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like throw them all over the place and walk out with your head held high and you'll feel better.
34:24
But do the endurance that he's learning right now and do he's a cancer survivor. So it's like,
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that's not harder than jujitsu class, but it's like at the same time. Yeah, it's like,
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do some hard stuff and get that resilience. Good. All right, rapid fire. Are you ready?
34:36
Let's go. Uh, beach or mountains? You kidding me? The sun lives at the beach. That's my mortal
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enemy. Put me in the mountains and put me in a coat with an umbrella above my head.
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Early bird or night owl? Uh, I am a natural night owl, but I forced myself to wake up early.
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Me too. Text or call? Uh, I would rather call. That's, I do the in between. I send a lot of
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voice memos. So it's like, Hey, I don't want to type this and have 74 typos and have to redo it.
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So you're getting a voice memo, baby. And I can never listen to them. This is always the meetings
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with people. All right. Plan it out or wing it. Plan it out for sure. Uh, super strength or super speed.
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Ooh, super speed because you can dust half Thor Bjornson while he's over there, deadlift and
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510 kilos. You're just out there like a mile away. Catter dogs.
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Ridiculous question. Give me dogs all day long. Casser from the devil. I agree. Sunrise or sunset.
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Sunset board games or video games.
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We'll go board games. Movies or TV shows. Movies. Uh, have you come around on Lord of the Rings yet?
35:52
No, it's fricking stupid. I hate it. It's the dumbest thing in the world. All you nerds that
35:56
are out there watching the seven hour edition of each one of those films in theaters right now,
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you need to repent. Yeah, I love it. By the way. All right. Podcast or music. Podcast for sure.
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Classic or brand new? Classic. Never have to sleep or never have to eat.
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Never have to sleep. Yeah. Why would you not want to eat? Like God gave us taste buds. Like,
36:18
let's go. I want to taste all that. Yeah. Also, Jesus said, come to the table more than just about
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anything else. He rarely said, come sing songs with me or come listen to this Bible teaching.
36:28
He said, come to the table. Oh, I thought about that a bunch. Thought about that a bunch where
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it's like, what could I do with an extra seven or eight hours? Like a day where everyone else is
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sleeping and like, think of the stuff you can knock out. Calvinism or Armenianism.
36:41
You just want to get me in trouble. I will tell you this right now. If you had to pick one,
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man, all in on either one, if yeah, if I had to pick one, I see more biblical precedent for the
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foundations of what we see in the five points of Calvinism, then again, Calvinism, those five
36:58
points are were five, were five responses to Armenia's and what you know, the Armenians were
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believing in all that. And so there are many, many passages of scripture that is just like, all right,
37:10
there's what I want this to say. And then there's what it just says. So if I had to stick a flag in
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one camp and be that great answer. All right, Kyle, that's 30 minutes, 34 minutes. Anything else
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you want to get off your chest? Man, I was, I should have thought of like a dad joke or something at
37:25
the end, but I hit you with my butane one last week. And I don't have one that's like immediately
37:30
present in my brain. So do you got a dad joke? You're the one I mean, you're, you're super experienced
37:34
at this point. You got to have something. I'm over the hill. Now I get like, I told you there was
37:38
that bell curve and you were still like your boys. They were so great. I called you yesterday and
37:42
your boys answered the phone. They were like, I made a Star Wars ship. I was like, awesome. That's
37:47
so great. They're still at that age. If my kids enter the phone, they'll be like, uh, dad's on the
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pot. I mean, you know, it's not, it wouldn't be good. And I don't mean like, I meant the bathroom.
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Right. But you don't have like, there's not a go to like when you're, because I got some go to
38:03
jokes that I probably can't say on here. But like, there's not like a go to like super ridiculous
38:07
dad joke, just sitting there somewhere. No, I had all these sermons, content things. And you've got
38:13
all these, you know, made up preacher stories, but you can't give me a dad joke. Not one.
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We're going to do it live. I'm going to chat GBT right now. And I'm just going to type in,
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give me a good dad joke, give me a good dad joke. And that's how we'll sign off.
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All right. Here we go. Let's see what this stupid robot's going to come with.
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Oh, that one's dumb. It says, I told my kids I'm on a seafood diet. I see food and I eat it.
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All right. Terrible. Try again. That's one of my dad said that all the time.
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All right. I asked my dad for help with my math homework. He said, that's a problem.
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You'll have to figure out yourself. This is terrible. That's it. That's what dad jokes are.
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What? No, they're good ones out there. But yeah, that was, that was a pretty bad ending.
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That one's on me. But no, I don't need anything else to get off my chest. I appreciate your staff
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for sending you all those questions. No doubt, man. Thanks, buddy. See you.
39:34
Tim. The music on this podcast is our song Perpetua, which is off their self-titled debut
39:39
album on Face Down Records. The links are in the description. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson.
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Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual, mental and physical resilience.
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