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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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I'm just going to be real honest with you from the beginning.
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I normally have something funny to say right here from the beginning, but I don't have
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anything funny to say, so the onus is now falling upon you.
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You need to get everybody to laugh here in the first 30 seconds of this podcast.
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So ready, set, go.
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Be funny.
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Is your estrogen level increasing because the best several podcasts you've been crying
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a lot?
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Okay.
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And I think it's great.
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I think it's funny, but it's great.
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Very different reasons.
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One was super legit.
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I may have shed a tear with you about your dog.
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And then the other one on the Luke Holmes kind of review of his album, album was pretty
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great too.
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So well done.
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I told you, I told you that I wasn't going to rename my show Undaunted Life, a man cries
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all the time podcast, but it's getting to be that way.
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But I will tell you that stupid dog podcast that I didn't want to do, that you forced
1:45
me to do under threat of violence has had such an impact on guys because I told, I told
1:50
you to land and shout out to Landon Robertson, our amazing editor works over there with you.
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I told him, dude, there's going to be a bunch of pauses in this episode and don't edit them
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out.
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Don't make the pauses seem shorter because like, I didn't like the fact that at certain
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points, it took me five, 10 seconds to like get the lump out of my throat to get the words
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out of my face.
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But I didn't want to try to soften it.
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It's like, man, we're here.
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We're experiencing this.
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And so buckle up.
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But several guys even cop your neighbor was like, man, I look down on my phone and I thought
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like something went wrong with my internet or someone wrong with my thing because like
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the audio just completely dropped and that was literally me just trying to get it together.
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I've always had mad respect for the guys and I can't do this.
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The guys can talk through the cry.
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You know what I mean?
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I have.
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I can't do it.
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I like, I don't know.
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I can't do it.
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I have to stop to.
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Bro, it made me think of, I think it was Vince Gill and I don't know if it was at the
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opera, but he was singing, it was like George Jones is not his funeral, maybe he was his funeral,
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or something like that.
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And he was gonna, he was trying to sing Go Rest High on that mountain.
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Oh, wow.
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And he couldn't bro.
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Go look it up on YouTube.
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He could not at a certain point get the words out and this has been skilled, the voice of
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an angel with the most underrated country music star of all time.
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I will not hear any other arguments.
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And the lady, I forget who it was.
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It was, I'm not going to try to say, but if some woman whose name you would know in country
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music, she was singing a harmony with Vince Gill and she literally took over singing lead
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because Vince Gill just couldn't sing.
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And so she kept the song going.
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It was an unbelievably professional thing, but very, very moving at the same time.
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So what do you think of Vince Gill?
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Well, while we're on it, you're a country music guy.
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He's the man.
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He's the man.
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I got a great dad Vince Gill story for you.
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So let's go.
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Gretchen and I were at the opera.
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We had like kind of the backstage thing.
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So we got to meet him and hang out with him.
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He was telling a story about the very first time.
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He ever got invited to sing at the opera.
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He turned them down because he had already promised his little girl that he would play
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guitar for her at her talent show at whatever elementary school.
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So when they call, he was like, I'm sorry.
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I'm already booked.
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They were like, no problem.
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We'll call your booking agent and get you rebooked.
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He's like, I can't.
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It's like green, brier elementary school.
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And he thought his career is over, but he chose his daughter over his career.
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And I think the night we were there was something like his 50th or 100th or, you know, some
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like he'd been there more than any other person.
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And he just told that story, like keep, keep first things first and trust God with the
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rest.
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And then he sang, go rest high on the mountain.
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Hey, that reminds me of when you were supposed to go to UFC and you had like cage side seats
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or whatever, but you had to take your, you know, your lovely daughter to, to what was
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it?
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A daddy daughter dance or something?
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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100%.
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I wouldn't do it any other way.
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Reagan.
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Compre.
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You better feel loved girl.
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Even though she probably shouldn't be listening to this show.
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This is a man's podcast on a preteen girls podcast or teenage girl, whatever, but hey,
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we need to get into our first question.
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This is ask a pastor and guys, if you want your question entered into the bank of questions
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that we refer to and guys were, we're kind of running low on questions from our listeners
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out there.
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But if you are a monthly donor, you get to put your questions into this question bank.
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But as always, we're going to start with a question from me because I'm selfish.
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But here we go and then this is kind of my question, but it's a lot of people's questions.
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I've kind of like coalesced it down into this, but why don't we see big, obvious miracles
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like the parting of the Red Sea or stuff like that.
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We read in the Old Testament now that we've got four K video in our pockets and, you know,
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all these types of things that we can get.
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Why don't we see miracles like that?
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And I'm kind of teeing you up because your inner circle there at church of 11 to just
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experience something pretty miraculous.
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It's not the parting of a sea or anything like that, but it's just as miraculous for the
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people involved.
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So hit it.
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First and foremost, I would, I would question when you say we, right?
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Because you're, you're mostly just talking about Americans, man, if you do any travel
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across the world and talk to especially church leaders that don't have the kind of resources
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that we have here, they seem to experience a lot more of the miraculous than we do here.
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And it very well could be because their dependence on God's moving in miraculous way is so much
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higher than ours is.
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And so I am pretty skeptical by nature, but there's just some guys that I've known for
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too long out in the fields in, in East Africa and in the Amazon in Brazil, places like that.
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They seem to see God move him right this way in, in more regular terms than we do.
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Now, the miracle that you're talking about is a dear, dear friend of mine on my staff
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here.
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Got a Paul Williams, his wife Elizabeth Williams just a few months ago was diagnosed with stage
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four plus cancer and they were trying to figure out how many months she had to live.
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We prayed and prayed and prayed and her latest diagnosis was no cancer.
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I mean, cancer free and it is, I mean, it's really shocked us all in the best way possible.
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And so praise God for that.
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And I don't know why he doesn't do it every single time, but I, but we want to give him
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glory when he does.
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And he did it this time.
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So praise God for that.
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I remember when I heard that for the first time, I was talking to a mutual friend of ours
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and he casually mentioned it and I go, wait, wait, pause, pause.
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Are we talking about the same person?
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And like we're in the middle of the lobby at church and I was like, you've got to be
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kidding me and I text you and text some other guys, but just to kind of round back to my
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question, I've heard similar things about people that are doing mission work other places.
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You mentioned Africa.
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That's where I've heard of it.
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But like I'm talking about the miracle is the Mississippi River is temporarily, there's
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a gap in it or in Africa, the Nile River, there's a gap in it and you got people running across
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it and then Boko Haram runs in there and then whoosh, the Nile takes out Boko Haram and
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everyone's got it on video and it's on YouTube and TikTok by the end of the day.
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That's more so what I'm talking about because again, this isn't a great excuse, but a lot
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of people that are on the more atheistic or adversarial agnostic side of things will
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be like, great, we hear about all these healings and all these miracles and fire from heaven
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and this pillar of fire and smoke leading people through a desert.
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Why don't we see anything like that today?
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So I think a part of it is like, for instance, if you look in the gospel of John, John never
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calls miracles, miracles, he always calls them signs because they always pointed to something
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greater than themselves.
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So for instance, God, when he parts the Red Sea, he wasn't just like flexing his raw
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power.
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It was a part of the redemptive plan for God to save every tribe, tongue and nation.
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All right.
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Well, now we have the perfect thing, his word that points to God's redemptive plan for
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all people.
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So it very well could be now, I am not a cessationist.
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I don't take it that far.
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I believe that the spirit of God still works here among us.
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I don't personally think that there is like a, like a, you know, go bad date on the Holy
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Spirit.
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I think he still does his work, but I don't think we need those kinds of signs because
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we have his word that point us to the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Okay.
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Very good.
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Well, we'll go ahead and move on from there.
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I appreciate you giving us some detail on that.
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Next question here.
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This is from Jake Winkler, the biggest of all forging tableers.
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Will we eat meat in heaven?
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And if not, will we eat at all?
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Man, I don't know.
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So this is speculation from all, you know, because who knows?
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There is a bank waiting table that is prepared there for sure.
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So if I know we won't have to like kill things in heaven, but, you know, God could just make
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it show up.
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However, he wants to.
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I think most of the descriptions are heaven are like a three year old trying to describe
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Disney, man.
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It's, it's at least that, you know, it's the best that the human mind could come up with.
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It's going to be infinitely better.
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It, we, yes, we will eat, but somehow we're not going to be killing animals.
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I mean, even a three year old at Disney could identify that men, bearded men walking around
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and dresses is not a good idea.
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How dare you guys even go to Disney and give them your money?
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But here's the thing.
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We won't need it for nourishment, right?
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Like in heaven, we won't, we won't need nourishment and rest the same way.
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We need to hear as far as we can tell.
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Yeah.
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Correct.
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So I think this is where the, the, the Bible writers are one, they're talking about dreams
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or revelation that they have that is just trying to describe whatever the best thing
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you could come up with in your mind.
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It's at least that good, but it's actually going to be better because our bodies will
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be glorified like Christ, although Christ did eat breakfast, post resurrection, but also
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he could like wall through walls and stuff.
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So explain that.
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I don't know.
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I tell you, what you do is you just write, write books about heaven and make up whatever
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you want.
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And a lot of people bond.
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Well, I'm about to write a book that says Roman, the giant is in heaven and Joby Martin
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is wrong.
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I know it's not the nicest title.
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It doesn't really roll off the tongue, but I think he's, I think he's going to be
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there.
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So you need to shut your mouth.
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All right.
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Next one here.
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I hope you're right.
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I hope I'm right as well because he's going to be hanging out with Samson, which was your
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dog.
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They're going to be running around together.
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So here's the next question.
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This is from Jennifer.
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Jennifer.
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Thank you for being a monthly donor.
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I have a long one, but I thought that this one was important.
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My 17 year old son, who willingly became baptized three summers ago at youth group camp is now
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studying Catholicism and is going to Catholic mass.
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He was raised in an evangelical Anglican church, then during COVID after the church wouldn't
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reopen, we started going to a non-denominational Bible church.
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My son says he is seeking the true church after seeing so many of the Protestant churches
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and non-denominational churches stray from the word of God.
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I feel the current Catholic church as far from what perhaps was the early church as I feel
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like they worship idols and don't fully accept Jesus as being the propitiation for our sins.
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My son can be quite stubborn, which can be a blessing and a curse.
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So I've been trying not to argue with him.
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Rather I am just asking him lots of questions and asking him to explain.
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I've not been able to sleep well since he told me he's been exploring the Catholic church,
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thus me sending this email at three oh nine a.m. after being up since one a.m. praying
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and reading scripture.
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My question for Joby is what would you say to your son if he came to you and said dad,
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I want to go to the Catholic church now because it's the true church that God ordained through
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Peter.
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So I would highly encourage her son to seek the true gospel instead of a particular type
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of church because the church that she's talking about does not preach or teach or seek the
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true gospel.
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So man, I am not trying to hate on Catholics.
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I'm happy to partner with the Catholic to save the life of the unborn or whatever.
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However, mass in and of itself does not teach that salvation is by grace alone through faith
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alone in Christ alone.
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They believe that grace is imparted to us, not imputed to us based solely on what Christ
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has done.
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And they do not believe in the authority of the word of God as sufficient.
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They think that people and popes have just as much authority as Jesus or or the Bible
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does.
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So the question, if she could get him to say, seek what the true gospel is instead of what
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the organization that's going to help you best understand it is, I think that's the direction
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I would go.
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Okay, let me ask a follow up to that because this is obviously very precarious thing when
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you get into talking about like Catholics or Orthodox and then you kind of draw a big line.
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And then there's, you know, Mormons and, you know, Jehovah's Witness and all that, but
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I heard someone recently explained it to where it's like, you should be very wary of someone
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that says, yes, the Bible plus this other written text or plus this other authority.
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So Catholics would say the Bible, but plus the pope, plus the catechism, Eastern Orthodox,
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they would have the Bible, but then they have some some writings that they depend on.
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Then Mormonism, you have the Bible plus, you know, the Book of Mormon and in some other
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things like that, is that I know that's kind of like more of a club than it is a scalpel,
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but is that a decent way of looking at, hey, we should be wary of anything that is kind
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of extra biblical?
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Yeah, very much so.
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I mean, the question is authority, like who's authority are you going to submit yourself
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to?
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Is it to Jesus through his word or is it what like some people voted on in the Catholic
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church and they can change their mind?
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And so this is where you get things like praying to Mary, which is not in the Bible, praying
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the rosary, which is not in the Bible, confession for the forgiveness of sin, not to Jesus,
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but you have to go through a person, even though the Bible very clearly says that he
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is the only mediator.
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Can you be saved without partaking of communion?
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Well, the thief on the cross was, but not according to Catholic, in fact, Catholic doctrine
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teaches that salvation by faith alone is anathema to be damned.
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So they don't believe that salvation by faith is how it works.
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You have to work.
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Ephesians two says something opposite of that.
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The reason that says that is because a council got together to talk about what Martin Luther
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was saying and they came up with a doctrine opposite of what Martin Luther came up with.
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Martin Luther was reading out of Galatians, Ephesians, and Romans.
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He says the Bible clearly says that we're saved by faith alone.
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So the current Catholic, and I'm not trying to beat up on Catholics.
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There are many, many Catholics that have submitted and surrendered their life unto Christ.
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And then they got some bad theology on this stuff, just like Baptist and just like every
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other denomination.
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However, I would not encourage somebody to go to a place that does not preach the gospel.
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I would have this kid read, Chandler is the explicit gospel start there.
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I think that's a good one and the book that's right over your left shoulder right there,
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run over by the grace train.
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That's basically that entire book is like being marinated in the gospel.
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So let's move on here.
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This question is actually from me, this has come up quite a bit.
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I've heard it quite a bit.
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I've even thought it quite a bit, but should Christians attend second weddings?
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So these are people's second weddings, assuming that the person's first marriage did not end
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with death, adultery, or abandonment.
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This has come up for me personally where there's been some buddies of mine that are getting
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married for the second time.
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Now, a lot of these marriages ended for biblical reasons, right?
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There was either death, adultery, or abandonment.
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But there's a lot of people that have real consternation over.
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Okay, you don't think, you know, Christian should attend gay weddings, but Christians
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all the time will attend second weddings, they'll attend the second wedding of somebody
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who was the one that was the adulterer in the first wedding that caused the divorce and
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now they're marrying the mistress or, or, you know, the, the f buddy or whatever the language
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they want to use.
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And so that's the problem that a lot of people find themselves in is how do we love these
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people and should we attend these weddings if the first marriage did not end because
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of the biblical reason?
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Yeah, I would probably put this in the, in the like meat sacrifice, the idol category,
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like it's probably a, a matter of your conscience and you've got, well, one, if you don't know
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why, I would try to assume the best and that the, the people that you're supporting hopefully
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had biblical reasons or maybe they weren't a believer to be, you know, first go around.
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But if you knew that it was very, very ungodly reasons why these people got divorced and
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why they're getting remarried and you were convicted to not participate, I think you were
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well within biblical grounds to say, you know what, I can't participate in this without
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calling everybody there, you know, some kind of heritage because they're doing this.
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And, and a part of the reason is because it is still, it is an actual wedding though.
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The, the difference between the gay wedding is that's not a wedding.
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Like God said, man and woman, not man and man.
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And so, um, but the, the case you're bringing up is legitimate because when you attend,
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you don't attend a wedding, you participate, you validate a wedding.
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Right.
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And so if you don't think that that's a wedding that should be validated, then I would encourage
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you to not attend.
17:45
When I do weddings, there are multiple people that I've told, I can't do your wedding.
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And bro, you want to talk about people getting mad at you.
17:51
I mean, they lose their ever loving mind.
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And I'm like, I'm not saying you can't get married, dude.
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It's so easy.
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And you just go to the courthouse, I'll marry you right now or everybody else will do it
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because they don't care.
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I care.
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And, but if I think that people, uh, biblically don't have the grounds to be married, then
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I will tell them, I can't do this.
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So I think based on that same reason, if you don't want to participate in one, then you
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So with that, just to kind of a short follow up, I've heard this brought up here recently,
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there were people that when they got married, they were not Christians.
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And then now one of it for both of them are now Christians and they feel like, Oh crap,
20:02
the first wedding wasn't actually valid because we did we read the vows, but we didn't mean
20:08
it.
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We didn't understand propitiation of sin debt.
20:10
We didn't understand any of that.
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We need to go get remarried.
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And so what would you say to those people like to each other, by the way, so that we
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need to go get remarried and redo our vows because we actually mean it now or understand
20:19
it more now.
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What would you say to those people?
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I've got no problem with a renewal of vows, you know, for as long as it's godly reasons.
20:26
Gretchen and I renewed our vows at five years, but for totally different reasons.
20:30
Gretchen had this 24 hour stomach bug the day we got married and threw up all day and
20:34
was shot up with Finnegan and almost unconscious when we got married.
20:38
It was I guess the perfect example of make sure you spend all your time on the marriage
20:42
and not the wedding because of weddings like that.
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We had the worst wedding you could ever have and we've got an incredible marriage.
20:49
So as a gift to her at five years, I surprised her by renewing our vows.
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That was more just so that she could participate in all the fun stuff like we did our first
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dance five years in and stuff like that.
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So I think it would be a real good thing to be a really good idea, a great way for the
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man to lead if they got married as non-believers got saved as married people.
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And then the guy says, you know what, I know we used all the right words, but why don't
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we actually covenant and now that we know Jesus and put him in the middle and three
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cords are not easily broken.
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And that's going to mean a lot more to us than the first go around.
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All right.
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Very good, very good.
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Let's get on to the next one here.
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This is from Eric Browning from the forging table.
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The Bible tells us to lay up our treasures for ourselves in heaven.
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We will we have rewards in heaven that will differ in measure.
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And should this affect our motivation for working for them in the present?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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So there's a lot here.
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So when we talk about heaven, it's not a theological, it's not even technically correct.
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In the consummation, heaven's kind of like a holding pattern or like a waiting room for
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what's going to be there forever and ever.
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It is the presence of God.
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It is now there are angels singing to God now.
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There are people there, but by the time you get to the end of Revelation, you know, you
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see a new heaven and a new earth and that we occupy whatever a new heaven and a new earth
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are.
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And it sounds like, you know, like we may have jobs and living houses and all of this.
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So my understanding, I think the best way to think about storing up your treasures in
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heaven is if you look at what the elders do around the throne as they sing, Holy, Holy,
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Holy, it's Lord God, Almighty, who wasn't his and his to come.
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And they take their crowns and they lay them at the feet of Jesus.
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I think the thing that is going to be the most valuable to you in heaven is worshiping
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him.
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And it's not, I don't think in the new heavens, the new earth, it's not a nonstop 24 hours
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a day sing song fest, but everything we have, all the rewards, we're going to want to like
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push back to Jesus to say you were worthy of it all.
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It's not like a, like, it's not like the ultimate retirement plan where my man is going to be
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bigger than yours.
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If I'm more generous than you, I just don't think those things will matter like we think
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they'll matter.
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Okay.
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And I've also thought this before because like if you fall asleep and you fall into a deep
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sleep, right?
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And you wake up eight hours later, you don't feel like you woke up eight hours later.
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You kind of remember being groggy, falling asleep and now you're awake and you're conscious
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again.
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So I've heard some people say like, Hey, look, no one's technically in heaven yet.
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We are like, if you've died, you have basically been paused like you are asleep.
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You are not experiencing REM sleep or any deep type of dream, but then whenever there's
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the new heavens and the new earth and those types of things and you will be basically
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reawaken to regain your sentience.
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Once you know, the new heavens and new earth have been established.
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I'm assuming from what you're saying that that is, that's not, that's not exactly accurate
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because there are, there are beings, there are entities, you know, our souls.
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There are people's souls that are currently residing in heaven as it currently is constituted.
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Yeah, they're not looking down on, you know, like biggie and looking down on pub daddy,
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you know, there's none of that kind of stuff going on, but so what you're talking about
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is theology that, um, Adventists to believe, I don't think this is correct, but they believe
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that the soul rests or sleeps and, and what they're talking about is what you're talking
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about.
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The problem in my opinion with it is what Jesus says to the thief on the cross.
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He's like, today you're going to be there with me.
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So I think it means what it means.
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When you play, pray things like, um, on earth as it is in heaven, I don't think that's like
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a future place.
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This is never going to happen.
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Okay.
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The, the real problem with all this is, uh, you've got this skew between what we know
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as chronology and God exists in eternity.
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So anytime you try to describe the crossover of those two things, it just gets wonky in
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the English language.
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So my best understanding of heaven and hell is heaven and hell in their current positions
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or like a holding pattern for so heaven is for souls who have put their faith in Jesus,
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both Old Testament and new, um, until Christ returns, consummates all things, the, your
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physical body is resurrected, reunited, glorified, nobody knows exactly what that means, but
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it's awesome.
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And then there's new heavens and new earth that we inhabit in a different way than, then
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Rome, then your dog is inhabiting heaven right now.
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That's right.
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Roman is currently in heaven.
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He said it right there.
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Folks in case you missed it, he's there hanging out with Samson.
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All right.
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We got a couple of more questions left.
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Joby, I appreciate it all the way up to this point, but we need to get into Benjamin's
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question.
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Thank you, Benjamin again for being a monthly donor.
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At what point or threshold does someone not have to not have an excuse for believing things
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and holding positions completely contrary to sound doctrinal teaching?
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An example may be someone who says they are a Christian and even attend church regularly,
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but thinks infanticide is okay or believes God does not condemn sexual sin.
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I know people may have errant beliefs when they are new to the faith, but I am having
26:10
a hard time regarding someone as a Christian when we hear she has been in the faith for
26:15
years and is listening to solid teaching and yet actively encourages abortion or says that
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it's normal or fine to repeatedly engage in drunkenness and sexual sin.
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They do not have an excuse.
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I mean, they don't have an excuse.
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Basically what they are saying is I believe these things are true about Jesus, but he's
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not the Lord of my life.
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I'm the Lord of my life.
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I get to tell him what to do.
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If that's what you're doing, there's there's two ways to come to the scriptures for those
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of you listening and I'm holding up my Bible with the way most of people in our current
26:46
culture come to the scripture is they hold it below them and sit in authority over it,
26:52
or they do like Thomas Jefferson with like a highlighter and some scissors and just
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keep what you want to keep.
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The only way to come to the word is under it to submit yourself under it and say, especially
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the parts I don't agree with or don't want to believe.
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I'm going to submit, listen, submission isn't submission until you disagree.
27:16
Like if I'm your boss, right, Cal, if I'm your boss and you say, what do you want me
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to do to any boss?
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I say, you have to go to Jiu Jitsu, that's not submission.
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It's just convenient.
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You want to go.
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You like to go.
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You're like, this is awesome.
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Okay.
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It's the moment where I'm like, you got to whatever, you know, you got to wash my car
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or do something you don't want to do.
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That's when it's submission.
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We're called to submit to God's word now, you could get taught wrongly and then come
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along and be taught rightly.
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The key is, is your posture that I am, I submitted to the word of God.
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So to this person, there's no chance you could read the Bible and come away with it that
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a baby in a womb is not an image bearer of God.
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And abortion is the end the life of its innocent image bearer.
28:05
And when you do that, that's a sin and there's no way you could read the Bible and come
28:10
away with it with any other sexual ethic other than sex is for married people and marriage
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is only between one man and one woman under one God for one lifetime, anything outside
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of that you're just making stuff up.
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And that is sin.
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That is what, I mean, Paul warns Timothy and Titus, he's like, you've always better
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watch out.
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He's going to beat some people at your church and they're going to rise up and they just
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want to tickle their ears because it feels good.
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You see, there's what is and there's what ought to be.
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And what we're supposed to do is conform to what is in our life to the what ought to be
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of the word.
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But it's hard.
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So what most people do is they just try to change the Bible and change the what ought
28:50
to be to the what it is to match up.
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Now if you do that, you can do that.
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You're not a Christian.
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Like you're not a follower of Jesus, you're not a, he's not your shepherd and you do what
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he says.
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You are the Lord of your own life.
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Now you will die and go to hell and live a Christless eternity.
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He's going to give you everything you want.
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Oh, you want it your way?
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Cool.
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You can have it your way, but you don't get to nitpick.
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You don't get to say, well, I'll take some of this salvation stuff because that's awesome
29:16
and loving grace, but I'm not going to obey his truth.
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I mean, like what take woman caught in the active adultery.
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No one condemns you.
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Sweet.
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Leave your life of sin.
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You cannot divorce those two when I think that's, that's one of the reasons why standpoint
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epistemology is so sinful and nefarious because it's like, this is where someone's saying,
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I literally saw a video the other day of someone that's, I am a lesbian, Christian and blah,
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blah and all that.
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And this person was literally lovingly pushing back, trying to show scripture.
29:43
She's like, Oh, no, no, no, you can't use the Bible.
29:45
You can't use the Bible.
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And the person's like, why exactly can't I use the Bible?
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They're like, because if it doesn't have to do with my lived experience with my relationship
29:52
with Jesus Christ, then it's not, it does not have an authority over me.
29:55
And that that's the problem with, Oh, I am a certain way or I have a certain perclivity
29:59
or I have a certain level of melanin in my skin.
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So I get to have an opinion that's higher than yours or the Bibles.
30:04
That's, that's really problematic.
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They're it honestly, there's no such thing as a progressive Christian.
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That's a lost person.
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There's Christianity and then there's lost people that have not surrendered to Jesus.
30:17
So I mean, that is it.
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So I mean, people can dress up and call themselves whatever they want to call themselves.
30:22
You know, I mean, men dressed like women and women dressed like men and lost people like
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identified as Christians, that doesn't mean they actually are.
30:30
They're lunatic.
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They're like, they are declaring that they are their own boss by definition, Jesus is
30:38
not their Lord.
30:39
These are the people that will be in line one day for heaven.
30:43
Now it's also a bunch of like good church going folk too, but there's a, these are the people
30:48
that are going to be surprised and they're going to say, but did we not do all these
30:52
good things?
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Like we fed poor people and, you know, we marched for what we thought was justice.
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And he's like, I never knew you cause to know Jesus is to submit and surrender to Jesus,
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because his ways are better, especially, especially when you don't love it.
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That's absolutely the case.
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Joby, I'm looking at the clock.
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We got time for one more or you got our stop.
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All right.
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One more.
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Very good.
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Let's go.
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Last question today.
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I totally stole this from a video I saw online.
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Not to grab the name of it.
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It's these two guys, they're, they're young guys.
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I think they're like a singing group or something like that.
31:28
Anyway, they go back and forth all the time on TikTok.
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It's hilarious.
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I'm totally stealing this from them.
31:31
Okay.
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So let's say, Joby, that you are trapped in a room with 999 other people.
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Okay.
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Let's just call their Americans.
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So there's a thousand people in this room and you're one of them.
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Okay.
31:43
And so the only way that you are able to get out of this room is that you have to be better
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than all the other 999 people in the room at something and it can literally be anything.
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It's not just necessarily a talent.
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Maybe it's a, it's an inner skill or something like that.
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But your only shot is you have to put forth, here's what I'm better at than anyone else
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in the room.
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And here's the thing, you have no idea who else is in the room.
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You have no clue.
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You don't have their roster.
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You don't have their baseball card.
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You have no clue who's in the room, but you get two shots at it, Joby.
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Here are my two things.
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Here's my two salvos that I am better, I'm betting that I'm better than everybody else
32:25
in the room at these two things or just, you have to say one thing, but you get two shots
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at it.
32:30
Got it.
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So what are going to be the first two guesses you make that will potentially get you your
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freedom from this room?
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And this is just like a random sampling of Americans.
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This is a random 999 people in America and you and you've, you and you know nothing about
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them.
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You can't even see them.
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You're just stuck in this room with them.
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You don't know anything about them.
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Um, this is funny.
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Preaching and humility.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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I'm literally the most humble person.
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I know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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That's what when everybody asked me when my best sermon is always tell them I got one
33:08
on humility.
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It's the greatest thing I've ever got.
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That's a good one.
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Man preaching.
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I don't know.
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I want to say fighting, but do so hard to tell these days.
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So, but preaching is one of them.
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Is that what you say?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I would think I would know like if I looked over and you know, I saw whoever Tony Evans
33:27
or somebody I'd be like, okay, I'd have to come out and say, godly, I don't know.
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Um, the best G's, Louise, I wish I was 33 years old, I'd say bench press, but yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I still might go fighting.
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I think out of all the Americans, if I only got a thousand mods are in pretty good.
33:48
I'm a laugh when Brock Lesnar is one of those, uh, nine hundred nine people and just like
33:53
that.
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If it's, if it's Brock, I'd go preaching and if it's, you know, whoever Chandler and then
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I'd go with God, fighting.
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Okay.
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So that's, so that's good because like, I immediately thought about this.
34:04
I'm like, you could say preparing a sermon and delivering a sermon because boom, those
34:08
are two separate things because you know, there are people that are really good writers,
34:12
but the moment they have a microphone on their face, they just, they, they turn into like
34:15
a nervous 12 year old girl. And then there's other people that are great at delivering
34:19
stuff, but they can't write for crap. Right. And so those are two separate skill sets that
34:23
do come together in your case. They come together in certain people's cases where they're a
34:27
good writer, they can also deliver and they can do them both at the same time. That, that's
34:31
a rare skill set.
34:32
What did you pick?
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Oh, uh, I guess if it would be me, I would say, um, I would combine comparing and delivering
34:45
a podcast and comparing and delivering a talk. Like, so all through my undergrad and all
34:51
through any of these other types of things, it's like, if part of my grade, if a huge chunk
34:55
of my grade is a presentation or something like that, I'm getting an A in this class no
34:59
matter what, because that's just the preparation for it and making sure that I've got everything
35:04
dialed in and that I'm going to make all my points and it's going to crescendo at the
35:07
very end. That's just something that I did for so long. And, you know, I had one presentation
35:13
in college where I didn't get, you know, really, really high marks. And I still remember that
35:16
presentation and why we didn't get high marks, right? And I'd like to blame it on my teammates,
35:21
but it was, it was more my fault. So I would, I would say probably that I would assume that,
35:25
you know, considering how successful the podcast has been and I mean, we're, we're basically
35:28
the top podcast for Christian men in existence right now. And so hopefully, uh, there's not
35:33
somebody else inside of that 999. That's like Joe Rogan or Lex Frieda under Tucker Carlson
35:38
or something like that. Cause I think I'd have a pretty good shot at that point.
35:41
Yeah. One of the things that I'm oppressed, I mean, I've told you this privately is the
35:45
way that you conduct a conversation. Um, the, I mean, most of your guests are kind of the,
35:53
you know, it's like Christian authors, right? So, you know, there's kind of like a, that's
35:56
it. That's kind of down the fairway. But when, when you were talking to that political guy
36:01
last month, you know, the guy's on Fox News that all had to do, that was really impressive.
36:06
I was real, cause I would have felt like, cause I feel like I could do this in the Christian
36:10
space. Pretty easy, you know, ask guys questions and have conversations about Jesus and stuff,
36:14
uh, and kind of weave in, you know, whatever's going on in the world. But dude, if I had
36:18
to talk about like political event, I was, I was really impressed, really impressed.
36:24
So I would agree. I think you flowing on a podcast would be way up there. Well, by the
36:29
way, I'm going to brag on you too. Whenever at the end, I'm going to go last and brag
36:33
on you. You're ready. Okay. I'll say one thing. I'll say one thing. So you hold on to that
36:36
brag, let it build up. I will say with that Victor Davis Hanson interview, just for guys
36:40
listening to this peak behind the curtain for whatever reason, like he has books out right
36:45
now that I think are very interesting. One's on Trump and one's on kind of like the fall
36:48
of civilizations during warfare and things like that. And so I was like, I was tempted
36:52
to do what I normally do, which is read every single page of the book, take notes, come
36:57
up with the most interesting questions that I can possibly come up with. And then maybe
37:00
at the end, ask a couple of random questions about, uh, you know, modern current events.
37:05
But for that, when I was like, no, Victor Davis Hanson knows so much about so many different
37:10
things and the work that he's done at the Hoover Institute is really, really interesting. So
37:14
I'm like, I'm just going to jot down my top issues that I see in the world today. And I'm
37:20
going to try to tee him up in a way to where I'm not leading him towards a conclusion.
37:24
But I'm allowing him to make a full-throated conservative argument because he's done that
37:28
for approximately 40 years longer than I have. So I think I mentioned some of that in the
37:32
intro for Victor Davis Hanson. But for that one, I wanted to basically tee him up and then
37:36
get the heck out of the way. Yeah. But your, your questions were graduate level. They weren't
37:40
kindergarten. They weren't, it was, you were really well informed. I'm just telling you,
37:45
I was, it was, I don't know if you did, you're just that smart or, or if you just really did
37:50
your homework on that one, I'm just telling you, it came across really, really good.
37:53
As a friend who when it first came on, I was like, I hope this goes good because this is
37:57
a little bit outside of your regular, you know, it's one thing of you, again, like you're interviewing
38:02
mad or voting or me or whatever, you know, just preachers writing books. That's one thing. So,
38:06
all right, ready for your compliment? Here we go. Sometimes, sometimes I don't think you
38:11
realize what a big deal this podcast is. And sometimes, sometimes I don't either, man. So there's a,
38:16
there's a girl at our church, one of the most delightful human beings I've ever met in
38:20
my life. Her name's Chloe. She's a single mom and she has a little boy and man, the dad just made
38:29
all the wrong decisions and is not in their life anymore. And if I said more about him,
38:33
it would not be bathed in grace. Okay, it's not good. And I love this girl. She's great, so great.
38:39
And anyway, I bumped into her at her work the other day and she was talking about me on the
38:43
podcast. And I was like, you know, I don't think she's like, Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, I think I had
38:47
an undaunted hat on. Well, man, she listens, she doesn't listen to most of the regular ones with
38:53
her little boy. He's little, little like six or seven or five. I don't know how he is, but you know,
38:57
he's five or six, but all of the forging tables and all the ask capacitors. She, he doesn't have
39:04
a dad in his life. And so this is the only thing. But one of the things that she's doing as a godly
39:11
mom is exposing her to the forging table, four men study in the Bible together and they listen
39:18
to it in the car. And it is a way you are helping push back darkness in her. She's gonna kill me
39:24
when she hears this and hears me call her name. But I'm just telling you, bro. I mean,
39:29
I get choked up thinking about it because sometimes we don't think about the impact of the ministry
39:32
we have. We're just trying to say yes to the Lord, but bro, you and your faithfulness to this
39:38
is having an impact on this mom and her trying to raise a son into a man that's going to be a
39:43
warrior that's going to push back darkness one day. And so way to go, way to go. This is a tool
39:50
for single moms to share with their boys as they raise them up. Yeah, it's hard exactly to know
39:57
how to even respond to that because I think you're right. It's only when people come up to us and
40:03
tell us right to our faces or send us a direct email about how something has landed with them or
40:08
impacted them to where we can see it. But kind of what you do and what I do can be lonely because
40:14
you're just thinking about that next piece of content or that next sermon that you're going to
40:18
deliver and all those types of things. And yes, there are other things that we do. And sometimes
40:22
we miss the force for the trees. And it's easy to kind of forget why we're doing this. And then
40:26
we just focus on the doing it part. And so anyway, I'll talk to you offline about her. I'd love to
40:32
to get connected to see what I can do for him because for the young man, because again, to a degree,
40:38
and you and I've talked about this offline, I almost look at undaunted life as a time capsule.
40:43
So some people go back and they're going through grandpa's old, you know, stuff in the garage and
40:47
they find grandpa's journal or, you know, grandma's diary or, you know, grandpa's old Bible that's
40:53
got his notes in there and stuff like that. And it's like a time capsule of what people were thinking
40:57
and going through at the time. And like my boys who are four and two right now, like someday,
41:04
they're going to be able to start listening to the show or like if I cease to exist, right?
41:08
That's that Luke Combs song that's on his father's and son's things like, if I ain't around in case
41:13
I ain't around, like, here's a whole bunch of stuff, right? And it's not just guns and that'll be good.
41:18
And it's not just old baseball cards. And that's fine. And it's inheriting some books and some other
41:23
cool stuff. You're inheriting what your daddy thought about you and your mom and about stuff
41:29
going on in culture and the type of man you should be just in case I ain't around to tell you. And so
41:34
anyway, that I'm glad you told me that because that's that's a great thing. And it's also a testament
41:38
to those men that I study with, because all of those guys, right? So our core guys of Ryan and Zack
41:43
and Eric and Matt, but then also we've had Dagan and Caleb and another Zack and we've had, you know,
41:49
Russell and we've had we've had all these people, Robert, just kind of hop in at different times.
41:53
They all come prepared and they don't come prepared to perform. They come prepared to crack open the
41:59
Bible and dig in with other men. They come in to learn but also to teach a little bit. And it's
42:04
it's just that environment that it's just kind of grown over time. And we're just we're just glad
42:07
it's landing with people, man. Yeah, man. Good job. I know you hear from men a lot. I just don't I bet
42:13
I don't you probably don't hear from single moms and their boys of the impact this podcast is
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having. So I just wanted to be the bearer of good news. Very good. Well, Joey, that's a great place
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Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness, keep forging spiritual, mental, and physical resilience.
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Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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