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Ask a Pastor with JOBY MARTIN | July 2025 (Ep. 780)

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Ask a Pastor with JOBY MARTIN | July 2025 (Ep. 780)
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In this episode, Kyle Thompson and Joby Martin tackle tough questions about faith, fatherhood, and the nature of God. They discuss the complexities of personal relationships with fathers and the impact on one's view of God, while also addressing the challenges of pastoral leadership and the importance of faithfulness in ministry.
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0:31 This is Undaunted Life a Man's Podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
0:56 Joby Martin, welcome back. I got some fire questions right out of the gate. Are you ready, sir?
1:00 I don't. Well, we'll see. When I just noticed the artwork for the Aska Pastor, I think that was
1:06 like about 10 inches of beer to go. Do I need to like update the thing? I mean, your team doesn't
1:12 take any fancy pictures of you, so I'd be grabbing clips off of YouTube. You think we can get maybe
1:17 like a photo shoot? Maybe you want to bear rug kind of laying there sensual style? Nothing?
1:21 Probably not going to happen. No, I don't. I don't do headshots and that kind of stuff, so this is it.
1:27 Well, we won't call it that. We'll call it a brand shoot or something like that. And I happen to
1:31 sleep in the same bed with a photographer. Maybe we can hook that up. But the first thing, I don't
1:35 know if you've heard about this, right? So we're a couple months after the trend and I don't know
1:39 if you listened to my recent episode where we talked about 100 unarmed men fighting one silver
1:46 back gorilla and the number of think pieces and the number of AI videos and the number of people
1:51 that have chimed in on this, they're all wrong, by the way, like I'm the one I had the best take,
1:56 like on all the internet. So guys, go back and listen to my episode where I talked about that.
2:00 It's the same video where I buried into you right. But Joby, if 100 unarmed men were fighting one
2:07 silver back gorilla, who wins? It depends on who the men are. If it's 100 John Jones, maybe?
2:14 No, no, no. Okay, here, let me let me help you because everyone's always said that. Well,
2:17 what if I get to take them in? It is a 100 random adult men from America. Okay, 100 random adult
2:24 men in a one silver back gorilla, silver bat. Why? Because I could take 50 if a random sample
2:32 selection. I could I could be 50 of them because you can't 50 people can't fight how many can fight
2:39 eight, whatever the circle is. They don't even need to know how to fight Joby. That's the thing.
2:45 It's one gorilla. You think he's going to have the stamina to kill not just fight,
2:50 but kill 100 adult males? I don't think 100 men fight. That's what I'm saying. If it's a random
2:56 sampling of non fighters. Yeah. The first guy that gets his face eaten off. Now you've only got to get
3:02 20. I'm just telling you, man. Well, see, that's things are weak. They are. But out of 100 men,
3:10 there's probably 20 dudes in there that can scrap a little bit. They're not John Jones, right? They're
3:14 not Marcus Buscecha, right? But they can scrap a little bit. And so you know what we do? All those
3:19 fatty McFat fats that have never worked out and they always like blame their terrible body on their
3:24 age and their job and their family and all that. They're first, they're the first wave, right?
3:29 They're just there to get them tired because you know what I know about a gorilla. They have low
3:32 VO two max. They have a huge heart and they have fast twitch muscles. You know what that means?
3:37 He's going to beat the absolute breaks off of the first 20 people we send to him even if it was
3:41 20 John Jones is, but he's going to get really, really, really tired. And that that's going to,
3:46 he's just not going to have anything left. So once he gets to us, me, you and the rest of our buddies
3:51 at the end, we're smoking that gorilla, Joby. So I was with my dad on a fishing trip this past
3:57 week and he said when he was in high school at the state fair, you could pay a dollar and fight
4:03 an orangutan in the fair. They didn't do the people lost every time. Yeah, because it's 101,
4:09 but I'm telling you that two or three, but still. Hey, I don't know. He doesn't know. He's invited
4:14 to this and man. There are men that have gone to boot camp and trained and run and been in some
4:20 kind of shape and shotguns. And then the moment the bullets went this way, they couldn't move.
4:25 So that's a significant, that's going to be a part of a just a gin pop of America.
4:32 They're out telling you that gorilla doesn't have an M four. He doesn't have a gun, Joby.
4:37 It's worse. It's worse. He's going to bite a dude's face off in front of the other 99.
4:42 Remember, he's biting the fat dude. It's the fat dudes at the beginning that are killing. Joby,
4:47 if there's 10 of us out of that hundred, if there's 10 dudes that are about it,
4:51 we're going to be at the, yeah, it's me, you and 98 random smatterings of people. I'm changing the
4:57 scenario right in the middle because it's my show. Me, you and eight other dudes, I'm telling you,
5:01 right? We're going to send those first 90. They're probably going to take care of them before
5:04 even gets to us. You know what I mean? I'm just saying. I don't know. I don't know.
5:09 Not compelling, Joby, not a compelling answer. But hey, we got some more answers here because,
5:14 I mean, on last month, we found out you're not smarter than the fifth grader. So maybe if you were,
5:17 you would be on my side of the gorilla issue. But here's this one. This is kind of a complicated
5:22 one. It takes a while to set up, but it's, it's kind of a, it's a heavy one. So we're going to go
5:27 from having some fun to a heavy one. This is from one of our donors named William,
5:30 William, we're so thankful to have you. Again, you can only be part of this, uh, you know,
5:34 box of questions, I guess, if you're one of our monthly donors, or if you're a foxhole member of
5:38 mine. So my question revolves around my own relationship with my father. In contrast to what
5:43 Joby has said about the Lord and how he saw God's lavish love through his dad, even though he wasn't
5:49 saved until later in life. My father claimed not only salvation, but ministry for his entire life,
5:55 40 plus years. He is a narcissist, a predator, and a liar that manipulated, conditioned,
6:00 and abused our entire family and others the entire time. This has caused damage in all of our
6:06 relationships with the Lord ourselves and others. And now that he blew up his ministry and the whole
6:11 truth has come out, most of us have seen or are seeing counselors to deal with the effects of his
6:16 actions. So Joby, there's three questions here. I'm just going to kind of ask them all together,
6:20 not assuming you're going to be able to remember all of them, but I think it kind of gloms onto a
6:24 similar answer. So if you'll follow me with that first question, can a narcissist really have
6:29 salvation since everything in their life revolves around themselves? Second question, what are some
6:35 go to scriptures you like that help fight these false views that God is anything other than a
6:40 good father, right? Because his father was a heavy handed disciplinarian, just waiting to crush people
6:46 for failure, right? And third question is this, I don't throw in a lot at you, but what are some
6:51 practical ways I can show this type of love to my son. He's only five years old. So generational
6:56 sin patterns can be broken. First and foremost, I think the first time I ever heard somebody say
7:02 this was Louis Giglio said that God is not a reflection of your earthly father. He is the
7:08 perfection of what it means to be father. So whether your dad was a good dad or a horrible dad,
7:16 that impacts who God, the father is zero impacts your experience with a relationship with the father.
7:24 But the good news is, is you have a perfect heavenly father that wants to perfectly love you. And so
7:29 Luke 15 would be a place that I go over and over and over again. Honestly, if you just go to like
7:36 biblegateway.com and put in the name put in father, I think it's 189 times in the New Testament,
7:42 Jesus calls God father. And I mean, first of all, man, I hate it for you. It's a it's an attack
7:50 of the enemy to take one of the primary relationships that we are to have, which is with our dads. And
7:55 then the enemy gets in there and corrupts things. And so I hate it for you, but that's why Jesus
8:00 came to die for sinners like me and you and your dad. And so can you be a narcissist and be a
8:05 Christian? Absolutely. Because when Christ died on the cross for our sin, that was any and all sin
8:11 past, present and future. And so it is very selfish to be self absorbed, but it is not an
8:18 unforgivable sin for anybody that would surrender their life to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
8:22 And then a part of, I mean, John Eldridge talks a lot about this and both you and I are pretty
8:27 big fans of that guy. You know, we make, we're all scarred up by our dads and we, we make promises.
8:33 And so just be the kind of dad to your boys that you always dream that your dad would be to you.
8:38 And just know, here's a hard thing to understand is no matter how purehearted you are and no matter
8:45 how hard you try to love your kids, you're going to, you are a deformed image of God also. And some
8:51 of that is going to be reflected. And so, you know, one of the things that I try to do in leading
8:56 my family is to be the lead apologizer and the lead repentor. You know, and so when I screw up,
9:01 I try to be the first one to say, Hey, that was on me. Because I want my both of my children to see
9:08 that in me. Yeah, I would say that's true. Also, I mean, this literally happened last night. So,
9:13 James and Elijah, they both brush her teeth at the same time. They're right there. They're always
9:18 screwing around. They're having a good time. But again, it's like, all right, let's brush our teeth.
9:21 We got to get on with this. And James decides he wants to rip the toothbrush out of his mouth and
9:25 just sprayed the mirror with toothpaste and spit nonsense. And I grabbed him and I disciplined him
9:32 in that moment. I told him to go and get his PJs on and all that. And of course, he's crying. He's
9:35 five years old. He can't control his emotions. Well, I was putting Eli to bed and mom was in
9:42 there with James and they lay down in bed and they kind of talk about their day and then I'll come
9:45 in there and lay down and talk to him about his day. Well, she's telling him dad hates me, dad thinks
9:50 I'm the worst kid ever like those those types of things. Now, the the level of punishment I gave
9:55 him was appropriate. It wasn't like out of this world angry. But as a child, he just couldn't see
10:01 himself as being loved by his father until I came into the room five minutes later and I came and
10:06 gave him a big hug and oh my gosh, he just he grabbed me and hugged me as hard as he could
10:10 because he's like, Oh, my dad does love me. And my dad does accept me. And so that's kind of the
10:15 line where you have to be a disciplinarian because they're a child. They're basically a chimp that you
10:19 have to, you know, kind of guide them and nurture them and then, you know, raise them in the nurture
10:24 and admonition of the Lord. At the same time, you have to show them the same level, if not more so
10:28 of love so that they know that you're not just disciplining them because you want them to be a
10:32 good rule follower. You know what I mean? Yeah, 100% and same thing. Even even this week,
10:37 it's funny. JP and I went with my dad, his granddad on a fish and ship to Canada. I had one of the
10:44 best weeks ever. I saw the best version of my son I've ever seen, which is pretty cool. It's with a
10:49 bunch of grown men and he's 19 and outfished everybody and out hustled everybody and outworked
10:54 everybody and participated in all the conversations. And it was cool. I was like, dude, I'm so proud
10:59 of you. And he just says to me, thanks for raising me to be a man. There's no greater compliment.
11:05 There was 100 times when he was in middle school in high school that we were just bump heads like
11:09 crazy. And then even yesterday when we got home, I had to fuss at him for not doing something.
11:14 And then, you know, it's also nice because Gretchen's there and she's like, Hey, let me tell you what
11:19 was going on in his life right now that he was a little down. And so just giving you a heads up.
11:25 And so in that, even though technically I was right and what I was fussing at him about,
11:30 I didn't know the context of his day and just shot him at text and was like, Hey, dude, when
11:34 you get home, let's chat. Heard you're having kind of a tough day. I'm sorry about that. I love you.
11:39 You know, as opposed to like jockeying to be like, well, I am right because these things are true.
11:44 Um, and especially if you do this thing right, then your 19, 20 year old son will still want to
11:49 hang out with you and go on fishing trips with you. And you, you enter into a totally different
11:55 version of your relationship. And so a big part of parenting is your parenting towards
12:02 emancipation for your kid where they willfully choose to have a relationship with you.
12:07 Which that's the ultimate goal. I mean, we've talked about this. I forget who said it first,
12:13 but they're like, you know, you work so hard and you're away from your family, their entire
12:17 childhood. So you can have that lake house and that nice boat and that whatever. And there you are,
12:22 you got adult children, you got grandchildren, you're sitting on the dock by yourself because
12:25 nobody wants to come over and ride on the boat with you. And I just, I remember the thing you
12:29 talked about whenever you pulled up at the retreat center and JP had parked his car right in the
12:34 middle of everywhere. And he just got home from college. And here you go laying into him. It
12:39 wasn't, Hey, son, how you doing? Hey, great to see you. It was, what are you doing park in there?
12:43 And he was literally picking flowers for Gretchen, for your bride, for his mama. And you know, he,
12:49 he kind of told you, told you off a little bit like that. And you to your credit, you immediately go,
12:54 Oh my gosh, I'm a colossal idiot. And you know, you're like, Hey, let's reset, let's, let's redo it.
12:59 But yeah, that's the thing that I would even tell the mamas listening out there. You might be a
13:03 mama of that, you know, maybe you're, you're married to a guy that's kind of sawed off like
13:06 Joby or like myself. And you're thinking, gosh, I would, I'm tired of the apologies. I'm tired of
13:12 the asking for forgiveness. I just want him to be different. Ladies, I'm telling you a lot of these
13:16 guys they're about as different as they're going to get at this level of sanctification. They got a
13:20 lot more roadway in front of them. So give them grace, ladies, like we're all not just works in
13:25 progress. We are deeply broken men that are trying to hold together with duct tape and bubblegum,
13:30 less, you know, you know, less we fall to pieces immediately. But we got to move on to or go ahead.
13:34 Well, one, I would give you a verse to memorize if you're a parent, especially of Loodles, man,
13:38 Philippians one six, I'm confident of this that he who began a good work in them will bring it to
13:44 completion on the day of Christ Jesus. So I would hesitate to do a full scale evaluation of how
13:49 you're doing as a parent when your kids seven, giving that's right. That's right. All right,
13:53 this next one is from Eric Browning of the forging table fame. Will there be struggle in heaven
13:59 like overcoming difficulties to accomplish something great? Will there be tasks to do for God that
14:04 will cause us to push ourselves to new limits? Or is everything going to be easy and successful
14:09 because, you know, we're basically where we need to be? Isn't there something wonderful about
14:13 overcoming the odds with grit? Will that be lost in the perfection of heaven?
14:17 Yes, there will be tasks because what we know now, just burn up basically, John sees a new
14:28 heaven and a new earth that includes like cities and places. And I do think that we go back to some
14:34 of the original cultural mandate to subdue and cultivate, but without the corruption of sin,
14:39 thorns, thistles, those kinds of things. So work was given to us before the fall,
14:47 and it was a part of God's original intent. And so I think it's I think the new heavens and earth
14:51 are going to be a lot more like what we experience here, except minus sin and any of its corruption.
14:58 Okay, are we going to be doing the Murphy in heaven? Is that a thing? Am I going to have to
15:02 work out? Because I tell you, like, I just knocked it out a couple of months ago, and I'm already
15:05 not looking forward to it next year. I think you would just crush it though. I think somehow you
15:09 would look forward to it and be able to run it great and be in great shape. And it always works.
15:15 You know what I mean? Like, and it always be like 68 degrees with a nice breeze and all this
15:20 type thing. And you know, over here. And well, here, I guess this is this wasn't my intended
15:24 question. But well, I need sunscreen in heaven, because I just got to tell you, I can't be,
15:28 I can't just like, I got sunscreen in my truck. I got long sleeves everywhere. I got some
15:32 brarrows that I have to wear. If I got to run outside to take the trash to the curb,
15:35 like it's a thing thing, right? So is there going to be a sun and sun burns up there?
15:39 No, because there is no sun. The Bible says there is no sun. The light from Christ is what
15:43 illuminates the heavens. And apparently there's not UV light that burns skin there.
15:48 Well, I was about to say, Joby, this is a technical question now because if the sun is not as good
15:54 as the sun, so the SU in is not as good as the SO in, am I going to get even more sunburned
15:59 being in that level of light? I mean, come on, like that seems like brighter.
16:02 I think you'll be at whatever complexion God's ideal is for you all the time with no worries.
16:08 All right. So guys, you heard of here first, I will be tan in heaven. Your boy's gonna be tan.
16:14 Let's go first time ever. All right. Next question here, this is for me.
16:17 So a little bit kind of a serious hard left turn here are all religious Jews that don't accept
16:23 Christ going to hell. Yes. All right. So help me with that because that's this is one of those
16:29 sticky areas. I knew you were going to say that, but you talk. Well, so the stickiness even for
16:35 Bible believing Christians is, okay, if Jews were the chosen people, is there still
16:40 were they chosen for individual salvation? No, right. And who is Israel according to
16:47 Romans eight, nine and 10, according to the book of Galatians, all who are sons of Abraham are not
16:54 Israel. All Israel is not Israel. So when Jesus comes along, like how is sin atone for? Is it by
17:01 works or by grace? Can you reject the son of God and receive the father? No, Jesus says,
17:10 if you knew the father, you would know me. So what people do is they take a promise that is given
17:17 after Paul redefines terms and says all Israel is not Israel. The sons of Abraham are people
17:25 that have the faith of Abraham that they believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the son.
17:32 And for anybody that does that, you are a son of Abraham and all of those people,
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19:58 the next one here. This is from Michael Michael is a donor. Michael, thank you so much for being a
20:02 donor. How do you gauge success as a pastor of a church? I'm in my first pastor it and I'm about
20:07 nine months into it. There hasn't been a single baptism yet and members have left. I'm doing my
20:12 best to serve them, lead them and preach God's word faithfully every Sunday. I'm trusting in the
20:17 Lord to provide the increase into his will. But there are times I just feel like a crappy pastor
20:23 and that I'm letting Jesus down. Well, to quote my dear friend Matt Chandler, you're not holding
20:29 Jesus up. So you can't let him down brother be faithful be faithful to make disciples be faithful
20:35 to preach the word. And sometimes before there is a harvest, there is a pruning. And if some people
20:42 decide to leave that might not be altogether bad. You know, the church is called the body of Christ.
20:47 And sometimes people will talk about the backdoor of this church is too big. And we need to shut
20:53 the back door. I do not want to shut the back door on my body. I think the back door is a healthy
20:58 part of a functioning body. And so the wolves and the goats, if you want to run them off, no problem.
21:04 And if you get really serious about discipling the sheet, then they will reach other people and the
21:13 gospel works. Okay. So first of all, too, I would just remind you of God's God, the father's word
21:20 over Jesus when he got baptized before he had ever done anything in ministry. The word over him
21:26 was well done. My good or behold, my son in whom I am well pleased. So brother, God is pleased in
21:32 you because he saved you and he loves you and he's pumped for you. And so don't measure the way the
21:37 world measures your bottom line is faithfulness to God. So be faithful to make disciples. Don't
21:42 worry about growing a church. Jesus will build his church. You make disciples. You love your wife.
21:47 You count on Jesus to build his church. And if you want to reach out to us here in 11 22,
21:52 just to kind of talk shop about what what are some of the practicalities that you feel free to
21:57 shoot me an email, Jobe dot Martin SEOE 22.com. And I'll get some folks from my team to help you
22:02 answer whatever questions you have in your world, man. We love to help pastors here.
22:06 Boom. And also about the back door. Don't be the pastor that locks the back door until you raise a
22:10 certain amount of money. A guy did that earlier this year. So that kind of went mega viral. He said,
22:15 lock the doors, lock the door. So don't be that guy either. All right.
22:18 This one is in your preaching. Just do not starve the sheep in order to entertain the goats.
22:23 Don't do that. Teach the word, bro. Make disciples.
22:26 Jobe has stolen that quote, but it's Josh Howerton that came up to it because, you know,
22:31 Jobe is a big quote stealer. So everybody needs to be on notice. Okay. And he
22:35 didn't make it to me. There's somebody old and dead there, but it's going.
22:37 Yeah, speaking to somebody that no one really likes Ryan Horn, the forging table,
22:41 or that Jobe loved. He has got this next question, but it's actually a good one. So shout out to Ryan.
22:46 What are your thoughts on churches closing their doors on holidays?
22:49 A friend's church in our area canceled service for Memorial Day weekend.
22:53 A question that came up was, would this be a sign of poor fruit?
22:56 And I think it'd be really hard to judge the motivation of anybody. So if you are not a part
23:04 of that church, then I don't understand then what you should do is just pray for that church.
23:09 And you should fill the gap with trust and you should assume the best thing about that church.
23:13 And maybe they run on a really, really tight budget and the volunteer situation is, you know,
23:20 they worked their volunteers really, really hard and it was a gift to their volunteers
23:26 to be able to have one week where they could do church in a different way. So I would just be
23:30 very careful externally about judging the motives behind why any church does what they do.
23:36 And the further, you know, when you, you don't have a lot of information, it's really,
23:40 it's really easy to think you're an expert and what other churches should and shouldn't do.
23:45 There are times when, like, we have a Thursday night, 722 service and we do not have a service
23:52 on Thanksgiving Day. So what's the difference? You know, so I would just, and a part of that is just,
23:58 you know, when it's also nice for our staff to be able to eat Thanksgiving dinner with their
24:02 family. So I'd be really careful about judging the motives behind why a church did that.
24:09 Okay, very good. Well, we're getting to the last question. The last question is always for me.
24:12 Joby, do you get a little nervous when we get to the last question? Because we've had some zingers,
24:16 we've been killing baby hitlers. We've had, are you smarter than a fifth grader? I mean,
24:19 there's been some, these last questions can get a little hairy. Do you get nervous?
24:23 No. You shouldn't be nervous about this one. This one's a fun one. So except in this one,
24:28 you're dead. So you died. Sorry, Joby. We're all very, very sad or sort of sad, whatever.
24:33 So you get to go to heaven. Heaven's a real place, right? The gates swing open. You come in and there's
24:39 a welcome angel, right? He's at the welcome center, right? So he's there. He's kind of getting you
24:43 your, your wristbands and he's kind of telling you which parts of heaven you get to go to and which
24:46 one's not. He tells you, you know, how many gold bricks are in your driveway, all the things, right?
24:50 And he tells you, Joby, one of the first benefits of being in heaven is you get to know any statistic
24:58 that you want to know about your life, but you just get one. So he's just like, hey, you know,
25:05 it's kind of a cool thing. You know, we'll send you off to where you can talk to Moses and the
25:09 apostle Paul and all that. Well, we'll send you to those places. We'll send you to the theater
25:12 where God shows you all the times he saved your life when you thought he was just being mean to you.
25:16 But hey, before you go over there, is there, is there something you would want to know?
25:19 So Joby, it could be something like, how many pieces of pizza have I eaten in my life? How many
25:24 miles did I walk? How many yards of toilet paper did I use in my life? But one statistic about your
25:30 life, what are you asking for? I know I have a guess of which one that I think because it's the
25:35 same one that I would do, but you get one stat about your life. What is it? I would want to know,
25:41 show me the pyramid scheme percentage impact I had on leading people to hear.
25:50 Like, not just the number of people who raise their hands in a service. Like, I want to know
25:55 how many people actually got saved via my ministry, books, sermons, churches planted,
26:02 guys that I led to Christ that led people to Christ. You know what I mean? That's what I would
26:09 want to know. All right, your answer is a lot holier than mine. I would want to know how many
26:15 pounds I've lifted. Okay. So like, you know, see, like total, right? So if you let me say you're
26:21 deadlifted 315, you do a set of 10. Well, that's 3,150 pounds over my entire life. How much iron
26:29 have I moved in totality? I think that would be hilarious because no matter what the number is,
26:34 it's going to be preposterous. If you've been working out for a long time, you know what I mean?
26:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still going with mine though, because part of the reason I'd want to do
26:42 that is my first instinct when you started the question, the thing I am looking forward to most
26:48 other than obviously all like being in the presence of Christ, but we don't even have like a category
26:54 for that. What we do have a category is for being reunited with some people, you know, and I look
27:02 for, you know, we don't know how it's going to happen, but I can't wait to stand in front of
27:07 Coach Lee, the guy that led me to Christ, they camp and be like, Hey, man, they're all here because
27:12 of you. Like these people came here because you told me about Jesus. So I told them what you told
27:18 me. And so here they are. And so I'm really looking forward to that if that's how it works.
27:22 So is the section where Coach Lee is, is that are the dogs all in that section two or are they in a
27:28 separate section like are all of our dogs like all the hunting dogs are, but he's going to have to
27:33 relearn how to treat a dog is the worst thing in the world to be one of his dogs. He working
27:38 pretty hard. Okay. Well, you know, so we'll see whatever section Romans in. So yeah, I'll go talk
27:43 to Moses eventually. We'll get, yeah, you know, maybe Mary Magdalene would be someone nice to chat
27:48 up at some point. I'll go find Roman and then we'll figure out the rest of it. But Joby,
27:51 you know, the drill, that's all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
27:54 Oh, sorry. I appreciate you. See you next month. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Wherever
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28:30 I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep pushing back darkness. Keep forging spiritual,
28:37 mental and physical resilience. Keep seeking the lion of Judah.
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