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I think I bought the minimum that I could of those hats cuz I was like, I don't know if anyone's going to buy a blaze orange hat for hunting season. I get asked about them all the time. So there you go. You got the limited >> buy more. I plan to wear this cuz we I'm sure by the time this comes out, we have already done it, but we're going hunting together soon. So >> that's why I not long after this comes out, we're going to go hunting together again. >> Oh, good. Let's go. I'll wear it again. >> It's all It's all on the calendar. But the reason apparently, Joby, that you're able to go on all these magical hunting trips is because your net worth according to the internet is preposterous because I was made aware by somebody. I didn't go looking for it. It found me. But there are some people on the internet, Joby, that are mad. And you know, when people are mad on the internet, they always bring receipts and they always have evidence. But according to this dork on the internet in 2023, which was years ago, this was like three books ago, >> net worth was 24 million. You were clearing six figures a month every month. Your church, breaking news, refuses to open its doors when it's cold outside and during hurricane season. So, I want to know what you have to say for yourself. Joby Martin, >> check my birth date on that same article that said my net worth was what it is. They It said I was born in the 80s. So, that's how you know it's reliable. Check the seminary it said I went to. Didn't get that one right either. Seriously, there's not uh I think it has my height in there wrong. Like literally, there's not a fact in there that is correct. So, >> well, Joby, let's go ahead and uh correct the record for the back of the baseball card. Go ahead and give us your net worth, your social security number, favorite color, blood type, height, weight. Go ahead. >> I wouldn't even know how to figure that out. I wouldn't I don't think, you know, it's like it's kind of like my recruiting uh level. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Like if you don't even have a star, I don't think, you know, like if you're not in the top 300, you don't have a recruiting record. So, I don't know. When my income to debt is, you know, pretty sad, then I think that I don't know what my net worth is. >> Yeah. When you're a no-star recruit, you're not waiting on a letter or a phone call from Georgia or Ohio State. It's just not really something that's uh that's coming your way. Oh, we could do something fun. was not planning on doing this, but by the time this comes out, I think the college football playoff will almost be done. Who's gonna win the national title, Joby? >> Georgia Bulldogs all the way. >> Say it with confidence. Say it. >> Go dogs. The SEC champion, Georgia. >> Go dogs. All right. Hey, but everyone's happy Notre Dame's not in it. Hey, Notre Dame fans, Notre Dame University, if you're sad about it, how about you join a conference and go win it. Suck it, losers. All right. Here we're going to go into the next question here. This is from Browning from the Forging Table. If a non-believer breaks into a believer's home and both have firearms, right? Got a little Mexican standoff here. Should the Christian allow himself to be killed since he is secure in his faith in hopes that the non-believer will someday find hope in Christ? >> No. You should shoot that mug in the head. >> Only salvation. If God wanted to save him, he would have already done it. God is either God is either omnipotent or unable. So I think he's omnipotent and all powerful to save. So it is not up to you and your lack of self-defense that this guy's salvation is resting upon. >> I will tell you there's some people out there that would be sad at you saying that. Shane Clayborn, Chrisen Mayfield, those guys are they're probably already crying, but if they're listening to this, they're definitely crying harder. Probably harder. All right, let's go to the next one here. This is from Justin who is in dominion team one. There will only be one team one and Justin was on that team. So here's his question. Clearly there are examples of setting up memorials in the Bible. You know stack of 12 stones, altars, tents, etc. What is the significance of memorials today? Are there legit watchouts for memorials? Finally, what is printed on Job's dog tags that he wears? So, memorials, what are some, hey, here's some things that we shouldn't do, should not, should do maybe with modern day memorials and what the heck's on your dog text. >> Yeah. Um, I think with anything, uh, a good intention thing could get too big in the hearts and minds of folks and it could become idolatry. So, that could be true with anything, but there is nothing wrong with the heart behind memorializing somebody to remember God's good work through that person or through that event. No problem. Um, it's actually probably something that we've lost quite a bit in this society that we need to pick back up from our Old Testament brothers and sisters to just remember the faithfulness of God, you know. Uh, I know on my dog tag that was a gift from Tim Tibo. Um, the Tim Tibo Foundation and the Church of 1122 started at the same year. So, we both turned 10 at the same year and the dog tag is just a Roman numeral 10. And it was at the 10th year like whatever celebration of the Tim Tibo Foundation that I got that. >> Well, speaking of Roman and speaking of memorial, so you're saying totally cool with a Roman the Giant memorial tattooed on my leg real big like. That's fine. >> I think it's very legit. Very legit. >> Yeah, dude. I mean, honestly, so the the 12 stone things, there's this random verse in uh Ecclesiastes 3, the there's a season or time for everything under heaven, a time to cry, time to laugh, all that. >> There's this one verse, it's kind of weird. There's a time to scatter stones and gather them together. What that means, there are some memories that by the grace of God, we choose to throw away. This is what funerals help us do that that they kind of put a an end chapter on the on the temporary life of a person. And I often when I'm preaching a funeral, I I say it is completely biblical to choose to not remember certain memories anymore, especially like an aging parent. And you don't want your first your memories to be of them in the hospital bed on their last days. Those aren't that's not who your dad was. >> But and then there's some other memories that you gather together like God told the nation of Israel, "Hey, I want you to stack up 12 stones." And it was really generational. It was so when the next generation said, "Dad, why this memorial?" Then you got to tell the story of the faithfulness of God again. And so any memorial that that talks about how God used people to demonstrate the faithfulness of God, let's go. And honest to goodness, some of your best preaching on here is talking about what Roman was to you. I mean, and you know, while he was alive, too. So, I mean, it's a real deal, man. It's It's a I'm for it. And even, you know, I like to pick on you about crying and stuff, but I'm for it. I actually [clears throat] I hardly ever read comments when you first got that tattoo and posted it online. I don't know why I decided to read the comments, bro. I mean, I I got fighting mad on your behalf. >> Oh, >> cuz people Oh, people, you know, people talk junk, right? >> Yeah. >> And so anyway, I really did. I don't know why. >> What did they say? I don't go in the comments ever. I mean, here even recently, I guess I kicked the uh the Nick Fuentes hornets nest. So, apparently I had a bunch of incelss and pro-Nazi folks in the comment section that I'm not reading, but apparently it's pretty hilarious. What did they say that got you all fired up there, kid? >> Well, it was both sides. It was the like, well, you're going to go to hell because you have a tattoo and then like, >> oh, >> you're gay because you have a tattoo of a dog or you know what I mean? It was kind of just I mean, it was totally just trolls, but it made me mad. >> Should I tell the Nick Dick Quintes thing? I listened to it. Great job. Okay. Um, great job. >> Well, let's talk let's talk a little bit about Nick Fuentes because as I as I said in the show, so guys, if you're listening to this, I did an episode which people were mad at the title. It's called Nick Fuentes is your enemy. And of course, these dilotants didn't even listen to the episode uh to even get the point that I was making. They're like, I just don't like the wording enemy. Is he really our enemy? And it's like, dork, you didn't you got to go actually listen to it. But I was just getting flooded with people asking me about this Nick Fentes person. What do you think about Nick Fentes? What is he saying? I had no idea who the guy was for forever. And then Charlie Kirk's assassinated and he's coming up all over the place. Uh I had never heard the term groper. I didn't know what that was. And then I found out how many young kids are listening to him. And it's kind of hard to surmise because >> you know they someone did a study about his audience through his streaming. It is filled with bots from India, from Pakistan, from Iran, from Russia, from China. Bots on tops bots on top of bots. And so like I'm not big on calling everyone I disagree with, you know, part of a scop or like, you know, this this government conspiracy, but there are people on the right and Christians that are splitting over a 27year-old that says ridiculous things out loud. So in my book, Stand Firm and Act Like Men, we dedicated an entire chapter to what the Bible says it means to be a man. And the final verse on it is, "Let everything you do be done in love." I can't find one thing that he does. one thing. I cannot find one thing that he does that reflects the love of Jesus. Not one. And yet he tries to claim to be a Christian. Okay? I think he's one of the most dangerous voices. I think he's got I mean, I have a 20-year-old, so I get to hear >> And listen, man, this world created him by telling every Christian white male that they're the problem for their whole life. And now you're exactly right. He's really funny. Um, if you watch the Pierce Morgan interview, he just says what he says. This isn't old stuff. Um, it it's a he's a problem and he's got a bigger voice than you and I have can even imagine. But there is not one hint of a fruit of the spirit. I don't see love or joy or peace or patience or kindness or goodness or gentleness or self-control. I only hear hate wrapped in a comical locker room kind of way. And the Bible says that let no unh wholesome communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is helpful for the needs of the hearer at the time. So, I do think the way me and you talk around a campfire could have a little less guard rails than the way you and I should present on this podcast based on who might or might not be listening. You know what I mean? Yeah. >> Because me and you around a comfire, we could make fun of each other. We could give we could say jokes. We could say inflammatory things to get a rise out of one another. Okay. This guy, he he is very very very dangerous and very very influential. and he's a self-proclaimed racist, >> right? >> It's not like people are taking his comments and he's like, "Well, that's not what I mean." Pierce Morgan says, "Are you a racist?" And he goes, "Yes, I'm a racist. I'll take that." Okay. So, he does not reflect. He cannot you cannot simultaneously claim that Christ is your king and then live your entire life out of step with who you claim to be your king. So just because he can regurgitate theological truths about Jesus dying for our sins, even the demons believe that. So >> well, the phrase Christ is king and how certain people are using it. Like he'll say something at like one of his little rallies and people will start chanting Christ is king from the crowd. It's always after he says something anti-semitic. Always. Correct. And so it's not a proclamation of the truth of the gospel. It's a proclamation of how much we hate Jews. And here's the ultimate junk that the the dunk that the Jew of Jews, right? Is is, you know, cuz Jesus isn't a Christian. Yes, he was a Jew, but the ultimate dunk on the Jewish people is the person and work of Jesus Christ. >> Yeah, it's a it's a problem, bro. It's a problem. Um >> when I I just got to be be honest, Joby, I was shocked that people were shocked that I went after him, right? Because it's like, wait a minute. you sat by and cheered like crazy when I go after Andy Stanley. And as much as I've got an issue with Andy Stanley, I see love, joy, peace, patience, kindness. I I see a bunch of that with him. I just think that Trump may have broken his brain a little bit. Hey, even guys that I've talked about before like Steven Ferdick or or guys that have big problems with their their ideology and their theology, I see those things in them. But you but those two guys take take Steven Ferdick and and Andy Stanley um they are not dangerous to our society. They are some in my opinion theological inaccuracies for some reason. You know what I mean? But they're not saying most effing black people should be in prison and then when given an opportunity explain what you mean say that's what I mean. Okay. >> Right. Now here's the thing. You can think that if that's what you want to think. I think we live in a free country and you ought to be able to say whatever you want to say. You cannot simultaneously say that and say that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior. >> Correct? These things are at odds with one another with completely at odds with one another. Hey guys, real quick. I know a lot of you train for very specific things. So maybe you've got a mud race coming up, a mountain hunt, a 5K, or maybe you just want to keep up with your kids or you just don't want to let the old man in. But for a lot of you guys, whether you're working out at the Globo Gym or even in your garage gym, you get there and you just don't know exactly what to do. 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That is 6 weeks free on the best-in-class physical and mental training app in the world. So stop wasting time. It's time to get real fitness results. Let my friends at Mountain Tough guide the way. Again, go to mtntuff. That's mountain.com promo code Kyle. Yeah. And I don't know that he would even say that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior because that that lexicon, that phraseiology doesn't exist within Catholicism. And he purports to be a Catholic. And so it's like, no, I'm Catholic and also Christ is king. And also all black people most black people should be in jail and women should have essentially no rights. It's like okay okay if that's the the battle you want to fight there. But uh anything else on Nick Fuentes before we move on? >> Uh well Pierce Morgan didn't do himself any favors either. You know it was like [clears throat] an incel fighting a grandpa at the nursing home and they were speaking different languages and they were just like >> you ever you know you ever see those like YouTube videos when two guys try to fight and neither one of them know like they're just like >> that's what it looked like. I mean, Pierce Morgan was the worst, dude. >> Insulting Nick Fuentes for not getting laid and yet you're a self-proclaimed Catholic. >> And so, you're the Christian guy saying, "You know what's wrong with you? You don't sin enough." Like, what what are you talking about? And then he was trying to bo I mean, it was terrible. It was really like terrible on terrible. >> Well, and Pierce Morgan, he he's digital age Mory Povich. That's that's who he is. So, he No one knows anything that Mory Povich has ever said. They just know the insane people that he got on his show or Jerry Springer or something like that. So he just needs to get people in his show to say crazy stuff and for him in his British accent to be like, "Well, what do you mean by that?" Like, "Oh, can you give me more on that?" And so, yeah, absolute train wreck, but we got to keep this thing moving. Let's talk about another train wreck here recently. Kurt Cameron, right? So, Kirk Cameron has basically stayed out of hot water within Christendom for decades at this point. You know, there are people that hate him in culture. There are people that liked Growing Pains that don't like that he likes Jesus. Fireproof, not a great movie. It saved a bunch of people's marriages. Hey, net positive. Let's go for it. But recently he came out with some comments. He was on some podcasts >> and he heavily now leans towards annihilationism. Okay. So basically he does not believe in the conscious eternal torment of hell anymore. And he kind of couched it as well there's there are different schools of thought now and I've been you know made aware of this person's theological research and this is the conclusion they've come to and so I'm leaning that way now. But then he said that conscious eternal torment in hell is cruel and unusual. And the God that he knows is neither cruel nor unusual. And so what would you say to Kirk Cameron if uh he were sitting across the table or across the airways from you right now? >> Um [clears throat] I would say there there uh I you know I don't think this means that you're a heretic and you're going to hell. Oh this this is a heresy. Okay. I think the problem, and this often happens, it happens with a lot of us if you're honest. I think what he wants to believe in came first and then he went and found a theological position that supports what he wants to believe in, >> which you could do with anything. >> Man, this honestly, this is how you end up with women pastors and LGBTQ is okay. That's what happens. Like I want this to be true. And some people even honestly this is what how where Armenianism comes from. I want this to be true about God because it makes more sense to me. So but the words just say what the words say. So I would go to Matthew chapter 25 and say before you do any like I just think if you just read the book for the plain just what does it say? Like if you were in the eighth grade and you just read this what would you come away with? So he separates from sheep to goats, right? And so one he sends the words say and one he sends to eternal punishment and one to eternal life. So the punishment is it the punishment is eternal but their experience of it isn't. But on the positive does the same thing happen to us? Like we get blessed for a minute and then we're done. You're like no no no no you live there forever. And this was um this is parallelism. This is what Jesus is doing. He's giving you two things that have similar meanings but on opposite ends of the spectrum. So eternal can't mean one thing in the negative and a different thing in the positive. It means one of them get the same blessing and one of them get the same curse. So what do you do with that? So you got to do so many hermeneutical gymnastics. And honestly, it's the beginning of where where most people start with annihilationism, they end up with universalism. >> Everybody ends up in heaven. Yeah. >> That's very dangerous. >> You get you get people just deconstructing, but yeah. Go ahead. >> Yeah. You get Rob Bell. So, the the one thing I will give you is uh I heard him on some podcast. I mean, I don't listen to Kirk Cameron podcast, but I nothing against him except this. Uh, and he did say, "If I'm wrong, I would love for my mind to be changed." But where he's going, see, he's going with this, honestly, it's kind of standpoint epistemology. >> Sure. >> What he's doing is what I want to believe about God and what would help me feel better about an a God that judges people with everlasting punishment is I would feel better if somehow that was limited and he just wiped them out. And then that would, you know, I could justify a judging God to people easier if that's if it was that way. The problem is just I don't think that's what the words say. >> And so, you know, I've told you this a hundred times when you ask me like, "What do you think about pick the theological topic?" And I try to go, "Well, who cares what I think? Here's what the words say and here's what people have interpreted them to mean." So, um, I think he's letting his feelings lead instead of letting the word of God lead. And I think that's very, very dangerous. >> All right, very good. Let's get to the next one. This is from Jake Winkler, the largest of all forging tablelers. Where do you see the most resistance to a unified church, and what can pastors do to fix it? Now, to inform this question a little bit, he comes from a Catholic background. And so, that's one of the big things that the Catholics claimed to where it's like, hey, this is the one holy, united, Catholic church. And then you Protestants went and jacked everything up. And then the numbers always absurd, but it's like there's 10,000 different Protestant denominations because of this, that, and the other theological disagreement. But where do you see the most resistance to the unified church? What can pastors do to fix it? >> Probably the New Testament that there wasn't a unified church. They were all separate churches in every separate city. So that seems to be the model. Now, he says that we are one like a family. You know what I mean? Like because we have one dad. Um, but I wouldn't try to fix merging a bunch of different denominations. That I don't think that's a problem to fix. Now, within your own church, I think unity is very important. And the best way to fix that is to be ultimately clear about the direction of your church. And if somebody doesn't want to go in the direction of the church that you're leading and they don't want to go to another one, praise God for that. There's a lot of great churches that are fulfilling the great commission in a whole bunch of different ways. But I mean, think about it like there wasn't a unified church in the New Testament. >> There was the church in Corenth taking up money to send to the church in Jerusalem. So, they were unified in the sense that we were all believers. We were all Christians, but they had different they had uh they had different leaders for different churches. I mean, even at the at the uh Jerusalem council. Yeah. >> You know, Peter, they're like Peter's like, "All right, how about I take the Jewish Christians?" And Paul's like, "I'll take all the rest." Ready? Break. So the the one holy Catholic church kind of kind of made that up. So what you got to have is you got to have a kind of a dictatorial rule from the top down if you want it to happen, >> right? Yeah. And then just start making up stuff along the way. Um but like so there were a bunch >> 20 hats. If we had more Yeah. And then uh about a thousand years after Christ, okay, y'all can't have wives anymore because all the popes are sleeping around. All the priests are sleeping around slinging it everywhere. But so let's talk a little bit about this. Um, so I've kind of thought about, you know, the things I've said for a long time as it pertains to types of churches and the seeker sensitive movement, blah, blah, blah. I've shared on here openly. One of the first things that connected us before we even started doing ministry together was when you called me and rebuked me about, you know, how I talk about large churches, blah blah blah, all the things. So if I've asked you something like this before, I'm probably going to couch it a little bit differently. So we'll just fire forward with it. But would it be fair to say, and I'm not trying to be derissive, this isn't like some sort of underhanded like, you know, gotcha or anything like that, but would you say that there are like churches for preschoolers? And I don't mean preschoolers in the terms of like, but like if you're if you're young in your faith, here's churches for preschoolers. So, think like uh a mega church like a life church or something like that where they don't really get into the deep things. And then you've got graduate course level churches to where it is very much so for the believer, you know, uh you have congregational worship. There's a lot of study, a lot of executing individual words of individual passages. Is there a spectrum, and I hate using that word, but is there a spectrum of churches to where it's like, yeah, well eventually you graduate from preschool and go to elementary school, and perhaps that's the same way with churches. >> Yeah. And know it it's it's usually a reflection of the leadership and usually a the a reflection of the giftings of the leader and leadership. So what I mean by that is I bet you know you cut Craig Gelle, you cut an old school Andy Stanley, the one that we used to know and love. You know they they mostly bleed evangelism. Their heart is for the outsider. You know what I mean? they kind of get aggravated with the the churchy church person, not the spiritual not the spiritually mature person, but the churchy church person. You know what I'm saying? And so and then and then um uh you know, you you get a guy that kind of bleeds fellowship more than anything else. Then you get a guy that bleeds missions over here. And so I think every church should try to do its best to incorporate like if you used a purpose-driven model or something like that, all five purposes of the church. You know, our model, we use three words. So, we love all people. We discover and deepen. So, we're not trying to be an either or, but I definitely lean more towards the outsider getting saved and then equipping the believer for the purpose of the great commission way more than I'm like fellowship and care. And so the healthiest version of that I think works great, you know, and when churches, especially churches uh kind of in in geographical proximity could know one another and point people to other church. We used to do this all the time um when people would come to us and they'd be like, "Hey, uh like you basically they wanted more laser lights in their worship." And I was like, "You should there's a church right down here. You should go there." And then some people would be like, "I need my pastor to know my name." I'd be like, "Okay, two blocks over there's a church. That's the one you should go to." You know what I'm saying? And so, >> or our disciple groups were a little bit too intense. I was like, "I know another church and they do a more lifeg groupoup model. So, it's not going to be quite as much Bible study, but they're going to celebrate birthdays more." I mean, and I'm not even knocking it, man. So, that kind of version of it's almost like a bodybuilder. Not every body is perfectly symmetrical. Some people got better legs, some people got better arms. your church is going to might you might have a a little better part of the church than you do another. And then there are some that are so unhealthy in one area that they're just wrong. You know what I mean? Like they don't do evangelism at all or they don't do care at all and everybody's a number. Well, either one of those that that's we're not good. That's not good at all. So hopefully a church is trying to see where they're deficient and trying to improve in that without without sacrificing who God has called them to be in that city. >> So what would you say 11:22 is? Are y'all are y'all the traps church? Are you the biceps church? Are you the you know the the freaking back church? What are you? What are you? Huh? >> I don't [clears throat] know, man. Squats. We're squats. >> Ah, I'll take that. Nobody wants to do squats. >> Yeah, that's right. Power cleans. That's a little bit of everything. >> Yes. >> But when we started the church, the the vision statement of our church is that we're a movement for all people to discover and deepen a relationship with Jesus. >> What we were trying to not be is the eitheror church. >> Yeah. >> Like we were, you know, we were trying to be the we want to win people to Jesus. And I mean, you hear me teach the Bible. Like I just like next year we're teaching the book of Matthew for the entire year. That's not kindergarten church, you know? >> Yeah. >> And but we're just trying to do it how we do it. But what you're saying is right. There are some churches, I don't know how I completely I don't know what I completely think about this, but there are some churches that think our job is to like get them saved and then graduate them to some better Bible teaching churches. Like you should probably be a good Bible teaching church, too. You know, you should probably have that lane in you somewhere. But, you know, but that is a probably a good way to think about it instead of just criticizing a church that is weak in the area that you want strength. >> Not you you, but just you all. You can point at me me because I've done that exact same thing. So he's talking about me, y'all. Y'all. All right. Next one here. This is >> Well, hold on. I want to compliment you on something. I don't know where to say it. I [clears throat] think when we met, I would have I told you this on the on here. I called you a white belt worshipper cuz that's what you were. Okay. Straight up, dude. The evidence of your two weeks of the daily blade of walking our listeners through all kinds of different worship styles. and you you didn't this is now at least the second time where I've pushed you hard on something that you felt passionately about and you had the humility and the integrity to take a second look in the Bible look in the mirror and be like where should I improve and you have like you skipped a belt you went to purple belt worshipper because I hear I mean I I obviously listen to your daily blades every every time and you don't just get to advocate worship because of uh CCM music style Bro, way to go. Way to take a thing instead of just fight music you don't like on the radio and to and to like lean into it and elevate the conversation to speak to and disciple guys like you. Way to go. That was impressive. >> Well, I appreciate that because it came back to something. I forget when you said it or what the context was is you you just said it in your kind of your all shxy Matthew McConn kind of will. It's like, "Hey man, worship's not optional." You said something like that. I can't do a good job impression, but it's like worship isn't optional. And then I thought about it through my standpoint, epistemology if you will. And I thought about the first time I saw POD life and how it felt worshipful. And then I worshipful. And then I saw for today especially brutal song, but it's a song talking about stormy in the gates of hell. And it's like I felt worshipful in that moment. And then I'm sitting there listening to Charlie Hall. I don't know why he came to mind, but he was one of the first worship guys that I experienced as a new Christian and being like, "Oh crap." I'm looking around. I'm like, "I should be getting this." like something should be happening. It's just not happening. He's obviously a good singer. He obviously wrote this song himself. He can play the guitar like a madman, but why is it not landing in my brain? And I'm like, I'm not alone. That's why that episode I did about contemporary Christian music being for women and affeminite men has hit so hard and I still get asked about today. I got asked about it in the receiving line after at men's conference at your church because that's what you've done. >> So there back then, that was a long time ago, right? How long ago was that? That was a long time ago. Okay. So, there >> hundreds of episodes ago. >> You diagnose the problem. Okay. My dog diagnoses a problem all the time when they bark at the strangers walking by. What you're doing now on the Daily Blade is giving a solution for people that have that same quote unquote problem. And I'm not saying the problem is with them, but the people that are disconnected with what most churches are singing. what you're doing in the in the Daily Blade now with those two different weeks of exposing people to a bunch of different genres of music and how it connects with the scripture and how it connects with you. What you're saying is worship is not optional, guys. So, here are some other options. Like, it's not a yes, no, but it's a maybe there's some other ways. So, anyway, I'm I've been meaning to commend you on that. So, I just thought I would. >> Well, there you go. And if guys, you don't know what we're talking about. It's because you're probably not listening to the Daily Blade. How dare you? What's wrong with you? the dailyblade.com or search the daily blade on uh wherever you get your podcast on Apple or Spotify. And I think one one of those weeks was in November and then one was in December. But yeah, I looked at like indie rock. I looked at hiphop. I looked at straight up country. I looked up oh gosh something that was called holy drone worship music or something like that. Like there's all kinds of weird things. SCA. No one listens to SCA. But if you're one of those people that likes, you know, what is that? Trombone and every uh every other chorus, then yeah, I got I got that for you. Well, we got to speed up here. I'll just get to my last two questions. We'll we'll skip one from a donor. We'll get to that next time. So, these two are quick though from me. Uh, what is Jesus doing right now, Joby? >> Sitting at the right hand of God the Father, interceding for you, waiting to be tapped on the shoulder to come and get his people. And it's by his very power that he's holding all things together. So, those are all those are all loosely translated Bible verses of what he is doing right now. But when his shift's over, like what is he doing? Is he playing like cricket up there? Is he listening to the daily blade? Like is he hunting? What's he doing up there? >> He's being worshiped, right? Holy, holy, holy is Lord God Almighty who was and is and is to come. And honestly, he is interceding. He is talk. This is crazy. He is talking to God the Father about you, me, and every believer. He is interceding on behalf of us is primarily what he's doing. And he's waiting, but not waiting like you're in a waiting room. Waiting like you're in a treeand ready to pounce to tell Michael to hit the trumpet and him to hop on his horse, put on his white robe, and come get us. That's what he's doing. >> So, what he's not doing is consulting with his mother to see if people have been praying to her to make sure that the prayers get to him because that's what I heard that Catholics had to do. You got you got to talk to his mom because sometimes God's busy like does that he's not waiting for a message from Mary? >> He is. Um, I mean, I hate to break a Catholic's heart, man, but you know, she's just one of the elect just like the rest uh in heaven also bowing down. Nobody's bowing down to her. At least not in heaven. They're not. All right, Joby. Last question of the day. >> Good call. >> I found that this I found this this morning. I don't even know that it's true, but we're going to pretend like it is. >> Okay. This was a question they asked uh for I think it was potential students to get into Massachusetts Institute of Technology, better known as MIT. And apparently 90% of applicants got this question wrong. >> So we're going to find out if you're 90 or 10, baby. Are you ready for this? >> Well, I went to VCU, so I bet I I probably couldn't get into MIT. >> Hey, they were good at basketball once a long time ago. So, hey, and you I don't know if you have like a scratch piece of paper there or if you need to like take notes on your phone. Uh, all right. You're without anything. I will read it slowly. Okay. Ready? >> Yeah. >> All right. A couple who has five sons went for a picnic. Each son has seven sisters. Each sister has three babies. In total, how many people went to the picnic? If I need to repeat it, I can. >> Yeah. One more time. A couple has five sons who has five sons went for a picnic. Each son has seven sisters. Each sister has three babies. In total, how many people went to the picnic? Two. >> Joby Martin, you're getting into MIT, baby. Everything else was a distraction. I'm not even going to let every I'm not even going to explain it because there are people right now that are like, "How? How? I was doing the math. I was doing it in the car. I was being unsafe." But we're going to leave it there. Anything else before we let you go? Anything else you want to get off the chest? >> I may not be as smart as a fifth grader, but I can get into MIT. Let's go. >> Bam. All right. See you next time. >> See you soon. >> Thank you for listening to this podcast. 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