[music] This is Undaunted [music] Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it. Joby Martin. Normally I have a joke or something funny at the beginning, but it's Christmas season. This is a very serious season for everybody listening to this right now. You got guys that are going to be waiting another couple of weeks before they even start buying uh presents for anybody. So, a couple of Christmas questions, qu Christmas themed, at least culturally Christmas themed right off the bat here. Uh I need to know some unique Martin family Christmas traditions and then I need your top three Christmas movies. Ready to go. >> Okay. Uh that's kind of the same tradition. So post post week of Thanksgiving we whenever we have family time we watch Christmas movies you know that that's what we do. Uh top three Christmas movies. Uh Die Hard Elf. Four Christmases. >> That's what >> All right. Our first two are the same. Die Hard Elf and then underrated. Give me Tim Allen's the Santa Claus. The original. Oh, >> right. I think that one's solid. Christmas Vacation. I watched the entire thing. Didn't laugh once. Like I watched it alone while my Yeah. I just It was one of those I didn't watch it at all as a kid. So I watched it when I was like 32 and my wife was asleep and so I was just like, "Okay." Like I got When I Was supposed to laugh, but I just never did. But there was only one >> I watched that one a lot. And I watch uh uh Home Alone. I love that one. >> Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's that's maybe a top three, but I wanted to throw a more obscure one in there. But I will also say the only Christmas tradition worth carrying from year to year is Little Debbie Christmas tree cakes. All right. And here's here's a daddy hack because did you know that this is the 40-year anniversary of the Christmas tree cake? >> It is their birthday, right? And so but now they make big ones. So they're like double wides of the Christmas tree cake and there's twice as much filling on the inside, right? And so like if you're more of a filling guy and you want like the freshness and all all the things together with the little sprinkle crunch, that's the daddy hack. Get the big pack. >> I'm always amazed. I'm I'm I'm amazed [clears throat] that some of the foods you like as fit as you are and as clean as you eat, some of the crap you like to eat. Like when we're on the road, it's >> But I have a separate stomach, baby. I have a separate stomach. And so like the meat goes to the biceps and the uh the Christmas tree cakes, the little Debbies just go to the engine, right? And so it's just like burn fast, burn hot, and ready, set, go, right? So So that's how that works out. >> All right, let's get into the uh first question of the day. So, merry Christmas to everybody listening to this uh ride around on time. A king is born. But uh [clears throat] this is a question for me, but it's also a question that I've gotten from several people. And interestingly enough, I got it this morning from another person that is a church of 1122. But there's a little bit of confusion about your position on women in leadership within the church. So, as I've heard you say multiple times in private conversations on Ask a Pastor on Deepen and from the stage, you know that women are not allowed to be pastors like per the Bible. we're just going to read the Bible, do what it says. You specifically say that women should not preach to mixed audiences, and I think most people that are fairly traditional or, you know, strict Bible readers are going to come to that conclusion. >> But then, you know, when we hear you describe Lisa Turkers or Christine Kaine, even recently, you talk about how well those two women preach. >> And whenever you're referring to the the preaching, they're almost always in front of mixed audiences. And so, and then I got some some not so nice emails and DMs from people that are like, "How dare you even have Lisa Turkers on your show as if I haven't had Llaya Rose and you know, uh, some of these other killer, you know, women on my show before." Um, and so [clears throat] there's a little bit of confusion because most people are like, "I thought he was a strict complimentarian, but then he's having Lisa Turkers come in pre-saturated. He says it's like church camp, but it feels a lot like church. Would he let Lisa talk on a Sunday morning? Wait. He let Rebecca Maxwell talk on a Sunday morning on stage by herself. And so I know you have a clear uh explanation of that, but it's a little unclear to people that go to your church and people in the audience. Yeah. When Paul when Paul tells Timothy, I would not allow a woman to teach slash have authority. The question that you've got to ask is, does that mean either or or and? And and I mean that so of course what Paul is doing is limiting a role. And so with the help of all of the rest of the scripture, then it is obvious to me that the role of pastor or elder is reserved for men for a whole host of reasons, right? And one of the primary functions of one at least one of the elders is the primary teaching role on the regular gathering. M you know so you know would you let a woman in the parking lot give instruction to male drivers of where they should park? Some churches would say no because that's too far. Like women are not even out allowed to talk out loud to men. I think my understanding of that scripture [clears throat] is that the the preaching role is for the pastor and pastors are men primarily speaking. Um but I but then also Acts chapter 2 says that the that uh your sons and your daughters will receive the Holy Spirit and prophesy. So there are women teaching. So you know the Bible doesn't use the word necessarily like mixed audiences like you do like you just did. You know what I mean? And so where somebody might be different than me is yes I would. So when Rebecca Maxwell spoke at 11:22, it was in the context of a sermon on Sunday morning where I brought her up to talk about suicide ideiation and suicide as a therapist, you know, uh under the covering of me as the lead pastor. She does not have the authority to be a teaching pastor here. But per my request in that sermon, I ask her to share her expertise. There you go. not in the Sunday morning gathering, not in the regular gathering of the church, but like a a conference, then I would be way more based on my understanding of what Paul is talking about would be way more open to like Acts chapter 2, men and women speaking just like Priscilla and Aquilla taught Apollos. So, how do you So, so basically, everybody's on a bit of a continuum. You know what I mean? And here's here's the thing, man. If you don't like it, neat. Okay. Neat. my authority is the word of God. I'm trying to do what I think the Bible says. And just make sure that if you're a critic of it, that you're going from the text, just not what, you know, like >> you're not just adopting what what somebody else thinks. You know what I mean? So, >> well, so even just to be clear, so you wouldn't say, "Hey, Christine Kane, I'm going to be out of town this uh Sunday, you know, two october from now. Would you come in and preach Sunday morning?" That's not that's not an invitation that you would extend. >> That is true. And and here's what's great. Christine's awesome, man. And she's a great great great great preacher. And I've shared a stage with her like five times this year at conferences, right? All kind of different venues, but they're all conferences. So, it's not a church. It's not a local, you know, the ecclesiologies, all kind of different ecclesiologies. And she is a teaching pastor for Eric Guyger's church, who and he would classify himself as a complimentarian. And if you read his white paper on based on what Paul says, how he got there, you would at least stop and scratch your head a little bit and be like, "Oh, you know what? You know, maybe he's right and I'm wrong." But at 11:22 for a for a special event kind of thing. Sure. Depending on what the event was. Um but but I would also have non-pastors preach. You know what I mean? Like Willie Robertson is not a pastor and I let him preach, but I would not put a non-pastor on my preaching team because pastors pastor churches. So that's a little bit of of of why I would invite somebody like Christine to preach at a conference or something like that, but not u I wouldn't I wouldn't invite her to be a part of the teaching team. And I have the greatest respect for Christine Kane and Lisa Turkers and anybody that I've ever shared a stage with like that. >> Okay, good deal. Let's go to the next question here. This is from Kelly. He's a member of Dominion. So, shout out to Kelly. Thanks for the question. The number of mosques being opened in the United States is going up a lot. We have entire cities in America being taken over by Muslims. Think Dearborn, Michigan. Uh New York City just elected an Islamist Muslim communist mayor. What are we to do about the rise of Islam? Uh there's a there's a video that's going around that's viral right now. I think it's a video of the DFW area where Matt Chandler preaches, where Josh Howard preaches, where we know several people in the ministry there where the number of mosques that are going up versus the number of new Christian churches or campuses of Christian churches or whatever is not going up at nearly the same rate and a lot of churches are actually dying. You know, maybe some of the main lines or something like that. And so I keep getting asked, "So Kyle, what do we do?" So I have my own answer. I'm curious yours. >> Uh it's evangelism. uh you're never going well well one being aware of it is very important you know um Islam is actually a political ideology that is kind of masquerad as a >> as a religion right and you know progressivism you've heard of this I heard Josh Howard say it progressivism is actually a religion masquerading as a political ideology and so one and be aware of it and they're playing the long game there's no doubt about it but our our battle is is not against flesh and blood Okay. And I don't think you're going to win this thing politically. You got to win the hearts and minds of people to Jesus Christ. And the evangelism game needs to be tripled down on from the believers. So everybody that asks that question, are you waiting on somebody else to do something or are you sharing the gospel with your Muslim neighbors? And if you're just sitting, you know, if you're just watching your Fox News and you're just cussing because they have the call to the hour of prayer in Dearbornne, but you're not going to share the gospel, then what are you doing, man? Get in the arena. Do something about it. If believers did that, it would make it would make all the difference. >> Yeah, certainly the my I have a two-part answer to that. I you know, the first part is clearly evangelism and then the other part is, you know, not our Muslims not all Muslims are violent, but Islam is violent. And so uh I've just got through reading the third in a triad of books from Raymond Ibrahim. So the first book is called Sword and Scimitar. Talks about like400 years worth of warfare between uh Muslims and Christians. The second one is Defenders of the West where it talked about individual Christian leaders, men that push back the darkness of Islam. And then the third one is called the two swords of Christ. It's talking about the Knights Templar or Templar Knights and the Hospitalers. And so the thing is is like this has been going on for a long time. Islam is it does not mean peace. It means submission. It is a religion of conquest. If you will not convert willingly, you will either die or you will be forced to pay a tax at threat of death. And so, um, I forget who said the quote originally, but it's like culturally speaking, we treat Islam like it's Christianity, and we treat Christianity like it's Islam. And it's it's a really nefarious thing. And it's like, look, wokeness ain't going to ain't going to kill us. I think the ultimate dragon in all of this is Islam. >> Man, it's unbelievable. Especially liberal Christian women or not Christian liberal women have adopted Islam which is the most anti-women thing I it I mean you really want to talk about a kooky demonic >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like blinding of the eyes. This is it. 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Guys, if you want to be able to get your question in the bag of questions for Ask a Pastor, you either got to be me, you got to be in my foxhole, you got to be a Dominion guy or watchman guy, or you got to be a monthly donor. So, thank you Austin for being a monthly donor. The Bible speaks about children as blessings from the Lord, like arrows in the hand of a warrior. God's desire is also that we be fruitful and multiply. Does that mean that Christians should aim to have as many kids as the Lord would allow? So I think the thing kind of undergurting this question which was not verbalized or or written by this guy is there are certain sex of Christianity there's you know certain sex of Catholicism that there is no type of uh contraception that is used no vasectomies no tying of tubes unless it's like a medical emergency type of procedure. Um, and so there are some people that are like, "Wait, are we denying the ability for the propagation?" So, atheistically, are we denying the ability of the propagation of the species? From a country standpoint, are we denying the ability for the country to stand more than another 50 years because of the replacement rate? And from a Christian side of things, wait a minute, we're called to be fruitful and multiply. What say you? >> Yeah. Most of us have become too self-centered in our family planning and we should all probably have at least one more baby than we think we can afford or than we're ready for, you know, and that would have been us included if I could if I could put it in reverse, you know? I mean, I'm a lot more mature now than I was 20 years ago. Um, but I would have if I could do it again and I love my kids so much, man. I mean, I'm blessed so much to have a wife that loves me and healthy kids that love the Lord. But if I could put it in reverse, um, I would start ear earlier and have more kids. Now, obviously, that'd be a decision for me and Gretchen. But generally speaking, I would push our church to have as a little a baby or two more than you think you can handle or are ready for or can afford because yes, we are too self-centered in regards to our like family planning. Now I think yeah >> I don't see I don't see a direct uh prohibition in the scripture for things like birth control things like that. I think it's more I think the real problem is self you know we think most of us in having babies we stop because of us like we just think about how it's going to impact our lives as opposed to us being a conduit of God's blessing to this world. >> I would say the same thing would apply to to us. we started a little bit later in terms of having kids and because of some you know some health things like that that's our family it's going to be James and Eli um until the wheels fall off kind of a thing and so ultimately if you get started earlier but I got to say the moment that James was born uh cuz we lost a couple of babies unfortunately hope to meet them in heaven someday uh or or I hope that they were held down by the Holy Spirit before time and memorial and forced to accept the go or whatever I'm supposed to say but uh for for us with James all the thinking about if my life could be different. Oh, if I could go back to college and do this major or hey, if I could go back to this time and Zigg in my career instead of Zag in my career, all that went away because James is here now. And all those scenarios go away if James is no long, you know, no longer a part of our lives. And so, we've got James and Eli. And so, it's it's one thing to live with regret, but I think you got your your finger on the pulse of it. The the interesting thing, and I don't I would ask you about this, but we got more things to get to. There was a a poll here that was released recently about Gen Z men and women and there were two very very important things. Well, I'll have you comment on it. Um, so Gen Z men are the most conservative and most religious cohort that they've studied. I forget who did the study. And Gen Z women were the most liberal, least religious cohort ever studied in terms of females. But then they rankorded like the top 15 things that could be important to a young person. And so it's like, you know, having a family, uh, having kids, getting married, uh, getting a good job, being financially independent, being able to make your own like financial moves, blah, blah, blah. The top things for young boys, Jinzy boys, was getting married and having kids. That was the bottom two for the ladies. At the very top for the ladies was getting that corner office job, being able to afford all the pants suits and handbags and Miami weekend vacations that they could get. And man, I don't know how we square that circle, right? Because forever it's been women, where are all the good guys? Where are all the good guys? It's like, well, you got a bunch of dudes that love Jesus and don't want to destroy the country, but you're too busy working on your next promotion. So, what [clears throat] do you got to say about that? >> I don't know. Cosign, I agree. I mean, that's why that's why this is doing so well. You know, stand ver act like men. >> Yeah. Because we've got a generation that got beat down for a generation, and now the pendulum has swung back. And I honestly think I I think there's too many women's ministries out there just petting each other's hair, calling each other the b- word. Oh, you're beautiful. You're beautiful. Whatever you want is fine. >> Yeah. Affirmation. >> Affirmation. >> Here's what's going to happen, though. Um, you're going to interview those same girls in 15 years, and it's going to be nothing but regret >> because then they're going to want those babies in marriages, and it's going to be too late. I mean, you see it all the time man. >> I see. Satan is really all the time. >> Hey, Joby. Satan's really good at this. If you stay at home and you make sourdough and and you homeschool the kids and you take care of the household, the whisper is you should have got your masters. Like this isn't this isn't for you. Like you should be out there conquering the world. You should be creating a business so you can build it. And then on the other side for the woman that's on in the pants suit and the power job and the in the convertible, it's man, you just want a man. Like don't you want to be like your grandma and have all these kids, you know, around your bed when you're passing away because of your legacy and all that? Satan's just using it, man. He's using it to destroy you. You're 100% right. I mean, it's interesting. JP came walking, he came walking in the door the other day and he he just had this kind of a leave it to Beaver looking family on his shirt and it just said the TRD fam is the new radical. That's just what it said. >> Yeah. >> And he's he's wearing that proudly. So, but you're right, bro. They I mean, and I don't know the voices. I guess there's some conservative females out there saying God has put this in you to that your heart is first at home. That doesn't mean you can't work outside the home. I mean, we know Lydia, we know Phoebe, we know Proverbs 31. You know, if that's God's call on your life, let's go. And uh but you're exactly right. It's similar in a man. No matter where a man is crushing it, the enemy always points out the shadows of where he's not. If you're killing it at work, then you feel like a loser at home. If you're killing it at home, you feel like you're not making enough at at work. So, that's what he does, man. He just wants to point out where you think you're lacking. When I think, you know, I love the voices like Katie FA who's on the show. She killed it earlier this year. Alisa Childers has been on several times. You know, Alli Best Stucky is one of those voices. But to be honest with you, I think more I know, gosh, this might get me some pitbull sized hate or Lord of the Rings size hate. I think more men need to be invited to speak at women's conferences. And you know, women's conference planners are like, "Well, women have to sit under the teaching of the male pastor every Sunday. We just want to do an event for them." But like look, the the ministry of women can be infused by by men. I mean, look at men that go on women's podcasts, you know, largely female audiences. Now, you may have to change your affect just a little bit. Kind of like when I'm talking to my audience. I got 5enters and 95% dudes, right? But when I go on more of a mixed one, I will change my affect. When I teach my mixed Sunday school, I change my a effect just a tad or as much as I'm able to. But men need to be leading the women as well. It can't just be female voices telling you how beautiful you are and here's the affirmations you should say in the mirror every morning. >> Yeah. We run a a we don't call it a conference called a women's encounter but it sells out the thing over here. So it's 3,3500 women or something and it's all led by women on our team or part of our church family and um they asked me to kick the thing off. uh this last year I had to do it via video but just to set the tone because I'm the pastor here and I thought that was that might be too why here at 1122 we don't got we don't have a lot of griping women because they their lead foot was not it's finally our turn our girls like Caitlyn and Rebecca and Ally and some of the girls that have leadership here their lead foot was you're our pastor will you set the tone for this thing that you've trusted us with I mean it was very honoring and the way I started it out is this is not going to your typical women's conference girls. They're not just going to tell you how great you are. You're going to get your Bible. We're going to dig in. Um they have the same kind of life experience that you do. So, get ready to be discipled. And it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt. All right. Well, we got to get back on uh task here. We got several more questions left, but two of them were pretty easy and short. Here's one of them. U if you So, this is from me, but if you steal an apple to give it to your starving kid, is it a sin? Uh yeah, depends what I mean there's a lot you need a lot more context than that. >> Well, we'll build out the context. You got a family, single mom. Uh she's got a kid that is literally starving to death. She's in a country or place like that. She walks in an open air market and it's like I've got a child that is on death door if we don't get some nutrition, but I have zero money and I'm not going to sell my body in order to provide for my child. So, I'm just going to pick up this apple that has fallen off the cart and I'm going to give it to my boy. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, I would have to go a little bit of deep. The ones that would be clear is if you're living under an evil regime and it is because of their evil that your son is starving, then no, because God has that authority in place. But when that authority is ungodly, then you appeal to the higher authority. Okay? Because in your that scenario, then selling your body wouldn't be a sin either if just kind of whatever it takes to feed your kid worked. So it it would have to be because of like cuz you might just make dumb decisions your whole life. So the dumb decision that led to your starving child and you stealing an apple is another dumb decision. So it just you know there are yes there would be many scenarios where because of the circumstances outside of your control you taking an apple for the sake of your kid would not be. And then I think there would be other scenarios where you taking an apple would be a sin. It's just >> Let me just ask for clarification. I'm not sure if you misspoke, but like you're saying if you're in a regime that is violating um a a local populace and is not doing their god- ordained duty to care for the populace, that if a woman were to sell her body like like in order to make some money to feed her kids, that's that wouldn't be a sin. >> No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it the other way. If stealing an apple, regardless of the circumstances, it's not as bad as selling your body, but because the injustifies the means, then you could get from there to saying selling your body would also be okay. I am not. So, selling your body is always going to be wrong no matter what. But getting food from your kid may or may not be a sin, you know, depending on >> the the question that people are normally asked is, >> was it wrong for, you know, car uh Cory Tinboom to lie to the SS and say, well, no, I'm not hiding Jews. And it's just >> the evil regime comment. Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. All right. This is uh a question from the largest of all forging tablelers. This is from Jake Winkler. So he's talking about your Chick-fil-A analogy to help explain limited atonement. So on the Chick-fil-A analogy for limited atonement, would it be paid for before everyone got the sandwich or after the people got the sandwiches? So you might explain your analogy real quick, but then again the question is would it be paid for before everyone got the sandwich or after the people got the sandwich? >> Great. So uh all analogies break down and I will tell you where this one will break down and it is in the it is in the character and nature of the person that's going to pay. All right. So the analogy is limited atonement. Some people will think that that means God doesn't love everybody because he only loves those that he chooses. But atonement means to pay for. And so limited atonement means that you only pay for the elect. The analogy that I use is if I put an ad in the paper and told everybody in Jacksonville, hey, free Chick-fil-A on Tuesday. And then they took that, they went to the Chick-fil-A, they redeemed a coupon, and then I showed up to Chick-fil-A and said, all right, what's my bill? I'm not paying for everybody in Jacksonville. I'm only paying for those who redeem the coupon. So, by definition, that would be limited atonement. Nobody uh only fully universalists don't believe in limited atonement because we all think there are some people that go to hell. All right? So, that's that's what limited atonement means. Okay? It is by faith that you are atoned for it. The question is a good question. The problem with it though in my analogy is that I have I am not omnisient. So um in God's economy it would be paid for before the invitation was ever made. In mine because of my limited ability I would have to figure out and pay for it afterwards. And all I'm trying to do is explain the atonement not the timing of election you know. So >> well why would you just go with a normal chicken sandwich? They're spicy chicken sandwiches. I mean, spicy chicken sandwiches, lives matter. What's wrong with you? Like, why are you just going with the normal sandwich? >> Well, just cuz I don't know, but I do like the spicy way better. >> Yeah, but you might have some gastrointestinal issues later. Not speaking from personal experience, but speaking from personal experience. All right, next question from a donor. This is from Bryce. For those who were saved as young kids or grew up in Christian households, it's often hard to remember the moment and the feeling when they were saved. Furthermore, in examples like 2 Corinthians 5:17, it's hard to picture the new creation we are in Christ when it's been a lifetime of a walk rather than having a clear example of life pre and post Christ when someone is saved later in life. My own answer to this, but also my question I'd like to ask Joby is, I'm a different Christian today than I was 5 years ago, than I was 10 years ago, than I was 20 years ago. Is this the process of sanctification in this regard? the same idea of new creation constantly being shaped, molded, forged as it is for a new conversion and sudden and drastic life change towards Christ. So, if I were to summarize this question a little bit, you got the 8-year-old girl, she gets saved at a wana. >> She's the exact same 8-year-old girl. She's beautiful. She's sweet. She's got the pigtails. But then you got the 40-year-old druggie who gets radically saved uh by God, and then he cleans his life up, gets a job, and like it's such a radical transformation. >> Yeah. He's confusing justification and and uh sanctification a little bit. And so at a point in time when you surrendered your life to Christ, you were justified once and for all. All of your sin was paid for and you radically went from death to life, old to new. You became a new creation regardless of what it felt like or looked like or what you remembered. So theologically and eternally speaking, that's what happened. Sanctification is in the process of time through the word of God and the spirit of God, he takes those things like a hammer and a chisel and takes everything out of you that doesn't look like Jesus until you're glorified to go be with him. So the question because this is like my wife's testimony. Um she can't remember that moment in time she surrendered to Jesus. And that's fine. The question is like I'm the example I'll use like currently I'm sitting in a chair. You you know I like to explain the word puo which is translated to believe as like trust and I puoed in my chair not by standing beside it knowing things about it but by trusting it with the weight of my life. So the question is right now am I puoing in this chair obviously because I'm sitting here. So it is my current posture that reveals my faith. It is not the fact that I can remember the time or the date or exactly when I decided to sit down in the chair. And again, back to your when you were talking about how the enemy whispers in the ear of the stay-at-home mom, you know, or the working mom. The same thing he does in the life of the longtime believer, right? Whispers. Well, since you can't remember that radical conversion, it must not count. One of the things that I've heard you say, it's not original to you, but you say it a lot, is what kind of testimony do you want your children to have? >> Just Yeah, bro. I hope I mean just I hope all of our kids are saved from sex, drugs, and rock and roll before they ever see it, not after experiencing it. Um, and so it is that it is that current posture in your relationship with Jesus that you should spend your time focusing on, not just remembering when that initial faith journey began. >> Yeah. And I think the encouragement I give to people Yeah. is of course you would want your kids and grandkids to have really boring testimonies. And the the only value that I can personally really surmise from someone that can point to the date cuz I've heard people be like October the 27th of 1984. That's when you know okay that's where you get value from a from something like that. You can say how many years you've been a Christian but there is a ethic that I think supersedes that which is it's not how many years you've been a Christian it's how many hours. Right? You do that with everything. It's not how many years you've been a carpenter it's how many hours. It's not how many years you've been doing jiu-jitsu. It's how many hours that's going to adjust, you know, in a Christian context, how far you are down the sanctification process, in a jiu-jitsu context, how actually good you are. Cuz there are guys that have trained many more years than I have, but they haven't put in the hours. So, we're just not the same thing. Yeah, that's good. This is where things like believers baptism is very helpful. Because even though we know that it is not baptism that saves us, it's not water that saves us. That can for many many people be that dividing line in the sand that said from that that's the moment I went public and told the whole world I renounce the sins of my past, the ways of this world, anything dark and demonic and I proclaimed Jesus Christ publicly as my Lord and Savior. Now I got saved at some moment before that. But from that moment on, I came out of that water different because of that public declaration. Those things are very helpful. All right, very good. Last question of the day here. Or it's not a question as much as it's a statement that I want you to comment on. Baloney is just hot dog pancakes. What say [laughter] you? >> That is that is probably correct. And I've eaten hundreds of bologn sandwiches growing up. >> Well, that was going to be my following question. You led a horrible abusive childhood because you didn't have a peanut butter and jelly. But are you telling me you had baloney and cheese on white bread? You had those, >> bro. We would, this is funny, baloney and cheese was like lunch, but if it was dinner, my dad would fry the baloney and toast the bread and put a little bit of mayonnaise and Texas Pete on it. And it was like a like that [laughter] was dinner. So we had we had like lunch baloney cuz you're in a hurry and then we had like dinner baloney. You can't >> when the first time you have smoked baloney, like pit pit smoked baloney, you you do it like thick cut. You would be shocked. You don't want to know how it's made, but you would be shocked at how good that is. Joby, that's all for me. Anything else you want to get off your chest? >> That's it, man. Thank you. >> All right, talk next time. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe, rate, and leave us a positive fivestar review. If you want me to come speak live at your event or on your podcast, just shoot me an email to info@unton.life. That's info@undanton.life. life. Follow us on Instagram and like us on Facebook and check out our website for everything else, including how to donate to keep more content like this coming your way. Just go to www.undauntton.life. And as always, we want to thank the band Holy Name for allowing us to use their music for our content. The music on this podcast is their song Perpetual, which is off their self-titled debut album on Faceown Records. The links are in the description. I'm your host, Kyle Thompson. 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