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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Joe B. Martin welcome back to the show. I'm going to set you up here right from the beginning
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because last year when I went to encounter, which is kind of church 11, 22, like hunting
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thing, every night, while we're at the campfire, not only are we smoking delicious undaunted
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life cigars and we might have some bourbon and scotch flowing here and there, everyone's
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got to tell a story if they got an animal on the ground that day and the story has to
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start with. So there I was. You set them up and then you give them the story, but you
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recently went on a pretty epic hunt in the highlands of Scotland, but it wasn't just,
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you know, a hunt so that you can get an animal, get some meat in the freezer and head on
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the wall or something like that. So how about you start us with your story? So there I was.
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So there I was in the highlands of Scotland in the same area that William Wallace was
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born and bred right next to Balmoral, which is the king's hunting land. And I was stag
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hunting with a bunch of friends and three years ago on that same hill, that is the place where
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my best friend Brad Bowen went to be with the Lord. We were on a stag hunt three years
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ago and he had a heart attack up on their on the hill. So a couple of days after the
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anniversary, three year anniversary of him going to be with the Lord, I hiked up there.
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It's very, very hard. It's all spot installed. They're super skittish. We crawled our way
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into this stag bedded down. And then right before he stood up and it was about to go,
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my guide, who was also the guy that guided Bradley and did CPR for about an hour and
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a half. This is like the last guy I'd ever touched him alive. And he goes, you want to
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take two? And I said one for me and one for Bradley. He said, let's go. So that first
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one jumped up. I dropped him with one shot and bigger one spun around. It was kind of
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confused. We were hunting suppressed, which helps. And then I put two in him and watched
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him give it up. Then I hiked through the valley, get up there, put my hands on him. My guide
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is not a believer. So I was trying to always pray at the end, you know, like when God allows
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me to take the life of an animal. And thank God for letting me have a friend like Brad
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Bowen and cried like a seventh grade girl that just watched the notebook for a few minutes
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on the mountain. And then poured out a little Scotch in his honor. And it was quite the hunt,
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probably my probably the greatest hunt I've ever been on because of all of that. Yeah,
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I got to say, I don't know of a hunt store. I've heard of harder hunt stories, but perhaps
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not more important and meaningful hunt stories. And what's interesting about that is I didn't
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even know you were in Scotland. And then I just get a picture from you of these two,
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two red stags. And I literally text you without you saying anything. I was like, man, that's
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awesome. One for you and one for him. And that was, you know, the same thing that you said.
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I mean, that that's a crazy story, man. That was epic, man. It was epic. Well, very good.
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Well, we're going to get into our questions for today. And again, guys, if you want your
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question added to the bank of questions for ask a pastor, you've either got to be me,
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you've got to be in my foxhole, or you've got to be a monthly donor. So guys, you can
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send those to me via email DM, whatever, if you are one of those people. So first question
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is from me. So as you are fond of saying, and as I've told you, it's very, very annoying
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every time you say, you say the Bible just says what it says. And you always say that
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when you just want to win an argument with me. So I get it. I get why you would just kind
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of, you know, employ that bumper sticker. But and this, this is way too big of a subject
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and I'm not meaning to kind of like put you on the spot because there's so many schools
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of thought and I've been just kind of steeped in it because of the forging table and different
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things. If the Bible just says what it says, then for you personally, are you young earth
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or old earth?
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Personally, I think God made old things or when he made new things, he made them old.
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Like Adam was not a baby. And so if you would have pulled, I don't know if you can like
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carbon date Adam, but however you check to see how old a person is, if you were to whatever,
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give him a blood test, it would show him as a grown man, even when he was two days old.
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So if he can do that with people, I think he can do that. I believe that he can do that
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with stuff. My, the real reason I believe in an actual little literal creation, I do think
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it's hard to get timing because there's a big, the Bible doesn't say how long the gap
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was between the first verse and the second verse, you know, correct. So there's something
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there. That's called the gap theory. There's something there. Also, the ways in which we
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measure time were not originated until the fourth day, because first day of the slide,
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but it's not until the right, right. However, the, the thing that theologically you've got
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to solve for is original sin. So if God doesn't make it all in a very condensed time period
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with two people that have kids yet and they didn't come from some other thing, but they
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were fashioned into existence by God in a special place, which I believe all of that
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is critical to the reality that our first parents, there was no sin and then they sinned
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and then sinned enter the world. I don't see how that can gradually happen. And so if
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you get out of the Old Testament and you get to places like Romans five, the fact that
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a guy named Adam and a girl named Eve actually sinned and Adam is our federal head. And that's
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how we inherit a sin nature. That's why it matters so much. Now, whether it got there
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old or young isn't as important as the events of Genesis three, really two and three have
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to be in that short contained period where there was no sin and then sin entered our
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experience.
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I like the way you say isn't as important because I think it's important how you view
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everything. But as I've said many times and I'm gone on record because people have begged
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me to have a young earth, older debate on the show, like a full on debate. And I'm like,
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absolutely not. It's because I don't think it's knowable this side of glory. I don't
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think we could possibly know because there's a couple of books that man, they get into
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the weeds and I don't feel, you know, really smart enough to read them. There's Genesis
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in the Big Bang, which is a very scientific book, which kind of breaks down how time or
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out how light travels across the universe and how depending upon where you're looking at
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time it could be literal 24 hour days or it could be larger parts of time. But then also
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John Linux, who's been on the show and we talked about this just very briefly, he has
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a book seven days that will divide the world and he talks about what you just said. There's
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a different verb tense and there's a different meaning between verses one and two of Genesis
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and then verse three. And so we don't really know if verse one is included in day one or
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if it's prior to day one. And so I guess I'll ask you this and then we'll just move on
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because we had other stuff that we want to go. Do you actually think that it is knowable
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because there are certain things that will just be mysterious and we can't know, but
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do you think if we really did enough research and if we really understood enough Hebrew and
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Greek and ancient, you know, Galilean Aramaic that that we could know, know like really,
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really know? I think what is more helpful is I haven't read the rewrite, but Mark Driscoll's
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book, what was it called? Orthodox. It was just a, it was a, it was just a doctrine, but
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no, that's what it was called. It's called doctrine, right? Okay. And in the on the chapter
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on creation, I think this is what's most helpful. Driscoll kind of says, here's what I think
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and here's why. And then he says, here are the historically Orthodox Bible believing positions
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that a believer can take based on the scriptures and people may fight about them, but these
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two or three fall under the category of Orthodox. The Bible is my authority and Jesus is the
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only way belief. And then here are the unorthodox. These things are outside of scripture and
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it cannot be like Christian shouldn't believe those things. I think that kind of delineation
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is more helpful than saying this is absolutely how it was because you've got very, very smart
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Bible believing authority of the word of God, standing people that differ on the exact
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days of the earth. Okay, very good. So guys, the next time you want to get into a big long
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debate, just remember, we can't actually really know there's a lot of different schools of
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thought and there's way more than two. Some people think it's just young earth and old
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earth it is way more complicated than that. So let's get into our first donor question.
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This is from Levi. Levi, thank you so much for being a donor. And I think you'll enjoy
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this. It applies to what we started this podcast with. I hunt and we raise animals for meat,
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goats, rabbits, pigs, and all manner of foul. We even get told in our own comment section
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on YouTube that we're going to hell because we murder the poor innocent animals. And we
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were recently told that God and Christ commands us not to eat unclean food like pig, rodent,
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rabbit, et cetera. This commentator misclassifying rabbits and having and not having read the
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book of Acts aside, what would you say to a person that argues acts 10 was only a metaphor
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to express to Peter that Gentiles are accepted into the kingdom along with the Jews and shouldn't
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be taken as literally to ignore or disregard the Old Testament laws on clean or unclean
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animals. Full disclosure, my wife and I both have used acts 10 to respond to negative comments
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from people using quote unquote God to condemn us in the comments section.
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Yeah, I mean, you can't spend your life talking to dumb people. There's too many of them and
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they don't change their mind. That's what I would say quite honestly. I mean, anybody
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that's that uninformed, what they're doing is they're coming to the Bible the exact opposite
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way as you, you see, they have an agenda. And now they're looking for verses from the Bible
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to support their agenda, literal podcasting. Yeah, totally. So if God was anti killing
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animals, have you read about how many lambs will get slaughtered? And that's just that
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one day. I mean, come on. So God has no problem with the spilling of blood. And by the way,
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who told you animals were innocent? Apparently you not only do you not know the Bible, you
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don't know animals. So absolutely, Acts 10, 13 was from that moment on the dietary restrictions
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of God have been lifted because the substance is there. So you don't need to shadow anymore.
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So no one there's no way we could eat the right things in order to make ourselves right before
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God. But the lamb is slain at the cross and the blood of the land covers us all. Therefore,
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we are now free to eat. And he used it as an illustration says just like there's no unclean
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food. Now there are no unclean people. And so I would tell those people you should eat
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a bacon rat fillet, cook medium rare, because that's gospel meat, pre cross from resurrection,
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no bacon, no medium rare, post resurrection, it is called a new and better covenant. And
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so the pig is on the table. And so is medium rare. So again, ultimately, fundamentally,
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what these people have, they have a God that is not the God of the Bible, they have a God
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of their own emotion towards furry little creatures, because they probably didn't say anything
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about fish or bugs or, you know, killing the termites in their house. So they have an they
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have a discombobulated theology of cuteness. That's what they have. And so I wouldn't waste
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a lot of time. I would spend all that time figuring out how you could be the best farmer
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and meat producer to the glory of God.
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When I think in addition to that, you can pretty easily tell and pretty quickly tell
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when you have a pearls before swine type of situation. I know that that is more of a gospel
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context, but in something like this, like look at, go to my comment section where I don't
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really spend a lot of time, but go to my Instagram or YouTube comment section. And the word hate
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will be used all the time to describe any manner of opinion that I've expressed or some
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that I've had on my show has expressed. And the thing is, is you can tell just by the use
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of somebody's word of hate, that they don't understand exactly what's going on in this
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situation, because you might have the perfect theological and philosophical arguments about
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how your position is not hate. But it's the same thing that a lot of people have started
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to say that when someone accuses you of something vile, if they accuse you of being a racist
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or a sexist or a hater or something like that, your responses, no, no, no, wait, wait, I'm
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not racist. I'm not sexist. I got black female friends or stuff like that. You're already
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losing. If you're doing that, all you have to say is, why do you think I would care
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about your opinion of me? Like do not take critique from people that you would not take
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advice from. Now, I will say to Levi and his family, it's a very honorable thing that they're
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doing, a very God glorifying thing that they're doing. Just make sure they're doing it in the
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most God glorifying way they can because just because we have dominion over animals does
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not mean that we mistreat them and neglect them. And I'm sure they don't. In fact, I'm
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sure they're, you know, so there, there are certain meat manufacturing processes today
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that I think need to be looked at and improved. And so you just make sure you're doing it
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the most ethical, the most God honoring way that honors these animals. And you know, God
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put these cows on the planet for to sustain his children, not to entertain them. Very good.
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All right, let's move on. This is from Jake Winkler of the forging table fame. What do
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you think is the biggest hurdle for men becoming the spiritual leaders in their homes? I think
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the first thing that you've got, you got to, who's, why do we always call it the spiritual
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leader? So I think that was that term spiritual leader was created by a bunch of like Beth
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Moore Bible study listening people who knew more Bible than their husband and they were
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frustrated. Okay. The Bible just says that head. And so you are responsible for everything
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that happens in your house, including things like discipleship and catechism that doesn't
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necessarily mean that you're the best person at it. You may have a job where you work seven
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days, six days a week, you state one off, and you work 80 hours a week and your wife
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is a stay at home wife and mom, which is one of the hardest jobs on the planet. And yet
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her schedule allows her to be in about six different Bible studies. And she might know
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more Bible verses than you. That does not mean that you are not being the leader. You
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are to be the prophet, priest, servant, king, provider, and protector. Now, part of what
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it means to be the priest is you are taking care of souls in regards to their relationships
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with the Lord. This means that you're going to set the tone and prioritizing church and
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family devotion Bible study, those kind of thing. Even if you don't know the most, you
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might have to delegate some of the knowledge to somebody else that knows more, but you
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are taking responsibility. So once I think you have the idea that your job is to be the
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responsible. Okay. So that's part of it. Secondly, but you cannot abdicate your own personal
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discipleship, Bible study, et cetera. And the number one way I think you can begin to lead
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at home. There's really three things. One, how about be the lead repenter? How about
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be the lead apologizer and lead your family in prayer, pray over your kids out loud. If
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you've got girls, I would highly suggest Psalm 139 14 to your boys and girls, but especially
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boys, I'd pray Psalm one and then commit to pray out loud with your wife. And if you're
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like, well, I don't know how to do that. Didn't just do this. Say, honey, how can I pray for
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you? She's going to say words. Listen, hold her hand, say, dear God, and just repeat those
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words back to her. If you just did that, you would be an incredible leader in your home.
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But even if you're praying over your family and you're leading them and worship every
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Tuesday and Thursday night at home and you memorize the apostles creed, if you are not
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providing and protecting, then the Bible says you are worse than an unbeliever. Even if
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you're like the spiritual leader, no, no, you got to be the head of all the things,
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profit. That means you tell them the truth. Priest, you care for their heart, servant
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king. That means you take, they got to have food to eat and a house to live in provider
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and protector. That's what it means to be the head. Hey guys, real quick. I know a lot
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of you guys are really doing everything you can to have a consistent workout routine.
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But the problem is, is you work out at a global gym. And so there's 17 guys on the bench that
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you need and there's people doing bicep curls on the squat rack. And the biggest problem
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is not your schedule. It's actually where you're trying to get your work in. How about you
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guys stop making excuses and build yourself a home gym? And when you do, make sure you
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use Sorenex. So Sorenex is a family owned and operated business that build some of the
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and most successful collegiate and high school athletic programs in the country. But in addition
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to that, they make the highest quality home gym products that I've ever seen on the market.
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In my personal home gym, I have the Sorenex Outfitter rack, the heavy version in military
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a home gym, you may as well get one that will last you and one that you could even pass down
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to your kids. Begin your build out by going to Sorenex.com. That is Sorenex.com. S-O-R-I-N-E-X
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.com. Take control of where and when you work out Sorenex .com. Yeah, I think that's a very
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all inclusive answer. The way I would answer this, if Jake were to ask me is it's the biggest
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hurdle for men becoming a spiritual leader in their home. It's just one of two options.
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It's either them or their wife. Those are the main hurdles. Yes, there's spiritual forces.
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There are dark forces are going to try to get in that. But you have maybe nagging, controlling,
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dominant personality women, and then you have passive beta male tendencies that kind of
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lead to this application of responsibility within the household. And it's going to hit
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many of those other areas that you just elucidated as well. All right, let's get into the next
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one here. And this is actually for me as well because you said something recently, I can't
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remember if it was in a sermon or on deep in. I think it may have been on deep in. You said
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that you would never tell your children and you would suggest to people to never tell
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that their children that they are disappointed in them. And that's kind of a meme in our culture
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to where it's like, Oh, you know, I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. And we all kind of
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understand that that's, that's worse. And for me personally, I don't know that I really
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understood your point fully. So that's when I, I wanted to you up to talk about it again,
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because clearly there are times with our children. And again, I got a four and two year old there.
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They're basically chimp still, but they're getting to that place where they're doing
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the bad things on purpose. I personally think that it is okay to express disappointment to
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your children that you are disappointed as long as that doesn't lead to full condemnation
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and so I just, I want to understand your point. So right as I go, my point is, is that it's
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just not gospel. I'm not saying it's not true. You actually are disappointed in your kids.
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You're disappointed when you expected one thing and you experienced something else. The problem
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is, is nobody is going to paint a clearer picture of God's love for us than the parents
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love for the children. So what I never want my kids to associate is their bad behavior
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and God being disappointed with them because if Jesus is the propitiation for our sin,
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then he is not disappointed. He knew past, present and future all of the sins that he
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was going to pay for. So he was never surprised. The reason that you get disappointed in your
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kids is you thought they were going to do better. What I'm trying to communicate is even though
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internally, I wish they would have made this different decisions, even though I'm actually
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disappointed. I thought you would do better. I understand that my interaction with my kids
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is going to paint a picture of their understanding of God's interaction with them. Now, this doesn't
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mean you don't discipline. I just don't want to use the word disappointed. I want you to
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say what you did was wrong. And here's how you were going to be disciplined. All these
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things are true. And no matter what, I love you. No matter what, I love you. That's different
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than I thought you would do better. This is you did wrong. These are the rules. These
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are the expectations. What you did was either a sin against God or a sin against mom or
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me or you just didn't do what you were told to do. Period. End up. Not associate that
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with, well, when I do good, that is for me, but when I do bad, that is disappointed or
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not for me. Okay. And that's, you know, I know that's a deep dive into that word. Gretchen
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and I just wanted to take that word out because pastoring for as long as I have, most people
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think God is disappointed in them. And that is not in line with the fact that Jesus paid
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it all at the cross. So that's, that's the, that's the thing that I'm trying to bifurcate
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there.
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Okay. Well, I normally, when I ask you questions that are fairly deep, I normally either get
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more confused or it brings up more questions, but I feel like you knocked, knocked it out
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of the park with that one. You answered exactly my question. I was very confused beforehand.
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I'm no longer confused. Joby, you did it. I'm going to send you a medal and a gold sticker
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in the mail. We need to move on. We got to get to Dustin's question, Dustin, thank you
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so much for being a monthly donor. I actually already answered this question for him. And
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so, but it wasn't on the show. So we'll see how close your answer is to the answer that
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I gave him. My son is in pre K at a local school. I just found out that his teacher is a lesbian.
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I haven't heard my son saying anything that would make me believe she is pushing that
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lifestyle on the students, but her son is in the class as well. So he is definitely hearing
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from her son about the two mom situation. Just wondering how Joby would handle this situation
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and you for that matter. I respect your opinion on these things. My knee jerk reaction is
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to pull him and send him somewhere else. So let's say you pull him and send him to a
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vetted Christian school period or homeschool because more, listen, man, when you're little,
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almost everything is caught, not talked. It doesn't matter. She can be saying whatever
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she says and what you're allowing in your kid is you are allowing the normalization,
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not of just regular sin, but Romans one says this is a sin against nature. Right. And the
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more you make that just to air your kid breeze and that's just normal and some people have
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two moms, then it's going to you're doing the opposite of what you're trying to do when
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you catechize your kids because you can't make your kids believe in Jesus. So your job
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is to get all the kindling around their little hearts. So in the spirit of God likes that
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thing on fire, it can catch on fire. What you're doing is you're pulling away the kindling
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around their heart and trying to normalize what the enemy wants to be normalized. Because
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what God wants to be normalized is a loving dad with a loving mom who loved Jesus and
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loved a kid and build a family that way. And so there's no way in the world. Well, in my
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sense, look, man, I'm in Jacksonville, Florida. We got good schools and stuff. There's no
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chance I sent my kid to public school. I don't care what it takes. If I had to pick up a second
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job, if I had to sell a kidney or I don't know whatever it takes, man, because my children
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are that important to me that there's no way I would let the state raise my kid. You know,
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I mean, Vody says it all the time, we let Caesar raise our children. And then we wonder
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why they all act like Romans are so no chance. Yeah. And that's the thing I will, I will say,
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that's what I said. That's what I told him. I said the toothpaste is going to be out of
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the tube at some point, if it's not already. And again, there are a lot of people that
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really do not like my stance about the only options being, you know, vetted private Christian
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school or homeschool. And I guess you could add some charter schools and things like that,
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depending upon how they're set up. But some people will try to, they'll try to equate it
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with something that I'm not saying. They're like, Oh, so you won't let your kid have a
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lesbian teacher, but you'll let him have a non Christian teacher. It's like, well, no,
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if I could prevent it, I would, I would like for neither of those options to be on the table,
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because just because they're going to a vetted private Christian school, that doesn't guarantee
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that all their teachers and all the counselors and coaches and administrators are all Christians.
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I get that. But that is not the same thing as what we're saying here, because kids pick
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up on things. And if the law is a teacher, we've heard that before, the law is a teacher.
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So when something is illegal, people think that it's immoral and same in the in the inverse,
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the same thing happens here that if it seems permissible and okay, and everyone seems happy,
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then the child will come away thinking, okay, this is moral. Go ahead.
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So there are still some vestiges, some particular cases of public schools that are pretty that
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are still run by all Christians. You know what I mean? Of course. The problem is, I don't
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know what they are. And it's only a matter of the time before those things go away. So
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as a so could somebody on your side, you don't understand my school, you're right. You're
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right. You all might still be doing FCA there and doing the Pledge of Allegiance and somebody
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praise over the Friday night football games. Okay, but you're at a dinosaur is going to
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die soon probably. But I would do whatever it takes to get about. And of course, I would
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have a non Christian Lee be the teacher of my child before I would have somebody that
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according to Paul, enrollments one has given their hearts to impurity to dishonoring their
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bodies among themselves and exchange the truth of God for a lie and worship and serve the
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creature rather than the creator. See, this is this is a sin against nature. Like it's
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against the character nature of God that he created us male and female and that the male
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and female come together to create image bearers. And so if somebody doesn't believe
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in Jesus, they're they could still be living in order of the natural order of things that
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God has created, which will be fundamental, especially the younger your children are for
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them to understand. So it would be more dangerous for the person that's living outside the natural
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order than the person that is just implicitly non Christian, you know, all right, very good.
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We got a couple of questions left in a little bit of time. So this is from Eric Browning
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of the forging table fame. Does America have a special covenant with God requiring strict
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adherence to biblical morality in order to avoid divine retribution?
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I don't know. I do think that a part of the blessing on America was the the number of
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Christian and God fearing and kind of Bible trusting men and women that started it, because
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it for sure, it was basically like the men and women that started America actually use
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the Bible as the owner's manual. And when you use the owner's manual, the product goes
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better for longer. That being said, I am very hesitant to somehow have this replacement
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theory like America is God's hope and America is the new Israel. I don't think that's the
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case at all. I think very generally speaking, any group of people as a people that live
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by the book, life tends to go better when you do it the way the author of life says you
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ought to do it. I was going to say, look at the time we're in now, the further we get
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away from our founding, the worse things get the more bloated the federal bureaucracy gets,
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which is inherently non-biblically based non-Christian with no regard for the gospel or any of that
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type of thing, even human flourishing in general. We're getting so much further away from that
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because we were living in a minutiae now where a lot of people believe that the founders
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weren't actually Christian. They heard that one or two of them were deus and then they
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just apply that to the rest of the group. A lot of these men had, you know, Bible university
28:29
degrees, they had theology degrees in a lot of their writings to each other. They are
28:32
constantly quoting the Septuagint. They're constantly quoting directly from the first
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five books of the Bible. They're constantly looking at all these things like they're referring
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to the Torah, they're referring to Christianity, they're referring to Jesus. There were statements
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of faith that were required for most of these states as they were being incorporated and
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founded here in the United States. And so that's the problem that I think a lot of people get
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to is this post 1970 kind of left-wing things that's happened in K through 12 schools and
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also in universities has tried to convince us that no, in fact, it's the ultimate gas
29:08
lighting that we weren't founded on Christian principles. But when you look around, there
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is no other country that has been founded on the same principles that we have. It is
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a very unique thing and it goes into our Bill of Rights and a lot of other things as well.
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Yeah. I think the, I think probably the greatest difference between the way our country was
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founded and today is regardless of what the founder's personal relationship with Jesus
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Christ was. I think you would have an impossible time finding a founding father, including the
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deist but didn't even believe in Jesus, that did not believe that our rights came from
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God and they were recognized by the government. Well, when you take God out of the equation,
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like we have today, people believe that our rights are given or taken by the government
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and not God. That's the fundamental difference. And so when the term Christian nationalism
30:01
got thrown around in, you know, in a derogatory way, which I get it, I totally get it, I don't
30:07
think that like Donald Trump is not my savior, man, Jesus is my savior. You know, I can do,
30:13
I can preach all the things about that. However, I'm watching a news broadcast one time and
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that CNN reporter said, these Christian nationalists actually believe their rights come from God
30:24
and not the government. And I was like, well, that's what it takes to be a Christian nationalist
30:29
then signed me and all the writers of our founding documents up because that was the fundamental
30:35
belief is that our rights come from God. And so I think that is the major difference.
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I think, you know, in a sense, God's like, Oh, you want me to take your hand off your
30:45
country? Go ahead, see how that goes. And we are like in the days of judges and people
30:50
just do what right do do. They're doing what's right in their own eyes. And it will always
30:55
lead to destruction. Yeah, it's not leading to a great place. We got time for one more.
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Yeah. All right. This is the last one. This will be for me. So if you knew for a fact,
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again, we're doing parallel universe stuff, because that's my favorite thing to do. If
31:08
you knew for a fact and you were the only one that knew that precisely one year from today,
31:15
one year from day today, that the world would end, right? So Jesus comes back new heavens
31:20
to earth, kind of the whole thing exactly one year from today. What would that change
31:25
about the daily rhythm of your life? Because there's not going to be, you know, wedding
31:30
and for JP and grandkids, you know, the lovely raking Capri is not going to even get a driver's
31:35
license much less move out of the house. Like there's not that next campus ain't going to
31:39
be built and finished and all those all those different things. Right. What would the daily
31:43
rhythm of your life look like if you were the only one that knew and the only one that could
31:48
know that a year from now, it's all over. Um, I think I would I would still do some fun
31:57
stuff like workout and hunt and stuff a little bit. But I think the primary two things I would
32:02
do is just spend time with my family and evangelize and nothing else that I would still preach
32:12
every weekend, but every single weekend with just the message would change. Cause why, why
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talk about, you know, how to do all these things and you know what I mean? I would just say,
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all I would do is evangelize. I mean, I think about it. Sometimes I ask folks, if you were
32:29
sharing the gospel on nine, 10 in the twin towers, how would you share it? Cause you can't
32:35
talk about a better life. You just have to say, have you surrendered to Christ? And while
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I do love my family and I do share the gospel with a lot of people, I would just ratchet
32:45
those things up. I'd cut everything else out. Like I may go travel to see a few friends,
32:51
but unless I was traveling to do an evangelism thing, um, I quit doing that and all I would
32:58
do is family and evangelism. I think a lot of people would give the exact same answer.
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You got anything else for us? Hey man, nice new tattoo. Well done. It is a nice one. So
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shout out to Dustin Yip in Oklahoma city. I'll just tell you right from the beginning here.
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Oklahoma city's kind of Oklahoma is kind of a dearth of really good black and gray. That's
33:19
not really our style. Oklahoma doesn't really have a tattoo style. There's some good guys
33:22
that do some different things, but Dustin moved here from California, which might be
33:27
the mecca of black and gray. I don't know that I'm qualified to really make that delineation.
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But yeah, for those of you that aren't following us on Instagram or whatever, you'll see a
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month or two ago, I got a portrait of Roman the giant, my boy, a real big on my big right
33:39
leg because that's where he always was. That's was, that was where we trained him to be.
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That was the heel side. And so when he was being healed or when he was being called to
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come to, that's where he would go. And he would just put his head right there on my
33:51
thigh. And so I was like, I don't know a better way to do this than to get a roughly Roman
33:55
sized head, a portrait right here on my thigh. So it's pretty legit. I told him that was
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his trial for my arms. And so I think he did a good enough job that I might let him tackle
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the arms next.
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Bro, it is, I mean, it's, it's really good. Like, it's very accurate. It's very 3D. You
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know, like when you send me the video, kind of, it looks like the dogs, like, well, how
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do you do that? Anyway, way to go, man. Way to go. Um, you know, tattoos with the meaning
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are incredible. So good call. Well, I appreciate that. The only weird thing about tattoos is
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when you get a good tattoo, everyone gives you the compliment. It's like, you didn't
34:30
do anything. You just sat there and let them like inject, you know, ink, you know, four
34:34
layers deep into your skin. So I will do all that I can to pass those compliments on to
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the person that originated it. So shout out again to Dustin, yep. But anything else, Joby.
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No, that's it, man. All right. See you next month. Thank you for listening to this podcast.
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