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This is Undaunted Life Man's Podcast, I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Joe B, you just keep coming back, does that mean we're friends, or does it just because
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like, you know, we're both wearing the black v-neck, I don't really know.
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I don't have the denim jacket though, for those that aren't watching this on YouTube
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or rumble, like, do I have to get one of those for us to keep being friends?
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I don't really know what the rules are.
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No, man.
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We're gonna be friends no matter what, but I can get you a denim jacket.
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Okay, so I will see you here before too terribly long and I will hold you to that because I've
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had people promise me things before, but I've never been promised something nearly as fancy
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as a denim jacket, so I'm holding you to that.
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Okay.
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It's not very fancy.
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Well, it just depends on where you're from and you're in Florida, so apparently that's
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like a tuxedo there in Florida, according to the people that I know down there, so before
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we get into this normally, this is all questions from donors and things like that, but last
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time you came on here, I was very, very selfish and I didn't ask any questions from donors
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because we had a lot of important stuff to get to.
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Today's is gonna be fully donor questions, except for the first one because I'm still
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a little bit selfish and it's because you said something very subtle and very interesting
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and a recent sermon, so this will be coming out several weeks from now and you've told
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me this personally as well, but you said that God doesn't owe you a sermon.
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Now whenever you said that in front of your congregation, you said you pause for a little
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bit and you even said like, I don't want to talk too much about this because it makes
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me upset, upset like in a good emotional way, but you know, you've talked a lot about before
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that, you know, you'll go out to the woods, you'll hunt and you'll prepare your sermon
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and you never come in with expectations.
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You just say, well, I'll let you take it from there.
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So why did it get you choked up and why is that something that's so important for you
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because some pastors, they just plan out their entire year and they just make it happen,
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but for you, you kind of just let go and let God, even though I hate that particular phrase.
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Yeah, man.
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I mean, it's one of a, it's a demonstration of God's grace in my own personal life in a
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very tangible way. So on Monday morning, I'll climb into the tree stand, I'll pray until
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the sun gets up and then about the time I can see I opened my Bible app.
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I have some idea of the direction that I'm going and I just pray every week, God, they're
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your sheep.
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They're not my sheep.
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I'm the undershamper.
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I work for you.
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What do you want to say to your people and a lot of times I don't even have a good sense
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and I'm a verse by verse guy, expository preacher, I don't even have necessarily a good sense
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of like the shape of the sermon.
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And then I just start working through the text, kind of writing my own commentary basically.
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Here's what this verse means. Here's what it says. Here's some thoughts I have. And
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sure enough, so far, every week for the last 11 or 12 years that I've been the lead pastor
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of this church, I walk out of the tree stand and I've got a really good sense of the sermon
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that I'm going to preach, and all I mean is he does not owe me that. I mean, Jesus promises
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that he's going to send the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit would reveal and remind us
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the things that Jesus has taught us. And but he doesn't owe it to you. I mean, he just
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really doesn't. I mean, you teach and preach, whether it's Sunday school or at a prison
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or whatever, and you know what it's like to just sit down with a blank piece of paper
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and be like, all right, I mean, the Bible's kind of a lot, you know, and I don't know
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what these people need. And it's a real interaction of his grace in my own life that he would
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give me a sermon. And so, and he called me to preach. So the fact that he has been so
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faithful to do that for me, it just it can give me a little, you know, a little emotional
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experience experiencing a fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus in my own personal life in
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regards to the spirit of God doing exactly what Jesus promised he would do in your life.
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I appreciate you sharing that. I mean, you mentioned the stuff that I've even done in
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prison. And I talked about before, because I mean, look, Joby, we're 500 plus episodes
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in here. And so like I've had to explain that to people like imagine sitting in front of
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your computer screen and there's a blank document in front of you. And you have to turn that
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into an hour's worth of content. And then you rinse and repeat that and do that, you
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know, 500 more times. That's essentially what the show has done since 2017. But I remember
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when I did that, that stuff at the Lewisburg prison earlier this year, that was one of
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the first times where it's like, look, I'm going to do my part. God. Okay. I'm going
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to set this up. Like, whereas if I go from soup to nuts and don't stroke out or something
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like that, that it's at least going to sound good coming out of my face hole. But you whatever
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this, these words do, that's on you. So I'm just going to faithfully say the words and
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do my level of preparation. Then sounds like you do the same there. But I have followed
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several questions. But again, I allowed myself one selfish question. So now we're going to
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go to the donor questions here. And this one's from Eric. He's actually Eric from the forging
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table. And this is a smart sounding question. So it may not be that smart, but it's going
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to be difficult even for me to read. So here we go. Is scripture the word of God or properly
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interpreted scripture, the word of God? In other words, is it ontologically the word of
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God? Or is it teleologically the word of God? So for those of you out there that have trouble
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reading like me, I guess, ontologically, like that basically means in substance or essence,
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and teleologically means basically in purpose or meaning. I would reread the question, but
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it was hard enough for me to get through it the first time. Hopefully you understood what
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I said. I would encourage Eric not to fall into the tyranny of the ore between brace
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the greenness of the end. Okay. But Isaiah for the five says that the word of God never
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goes out in vain. The apostle Paul says there are people preaching the word of God with
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all the wrong motives. And yet God is using them unto his glory. So he makes it sound
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like that that ontologically, it's the word of God. But then you get the enemy is tempting
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Jesus in the desert. And he's twisting scripture in his own way. But I don't, I still don't
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think that that makes scripture any less scripture. But I don't in any way want to diminish
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how important it is to rightly divide the whole council of God. And you can't just like peak
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and poke and grab a verse and put it on a coffee mug. And then it mean what you think
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it means. In fact, you had a really great conversation with that last again, I don't
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know when this is aired, but I just listened to this morning, the guy that talks about
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the, the cannon and how it was written and all of that. So yeah, you can't just pull
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verses out of context for them to mean what make you feel a certain way. So I'm not buying
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into that. I write interpretation according to the meta narrative of the scripture is
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very, very important. However, there's something different, there's something supernatural
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about God's word. It's not just a book that even has to be understood rightly. It's more
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powerful than that. So just the word itself is in a different category than any other
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kind of truth claim. Okay, so one quick follow up to that's on violating my own rules here.
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But it's my show. So suck it guys. The, whoo, I probably shouldn't have said that, but you
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know, and it's okay, we're friends. Okay, so you, you say the and or thing, which makes
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sense to me, but I'm a very black and white guy. I, if I have gradations in my life, I
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try to get rid of those and try to end up in the black or the white category, the yes
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or the no, the, the this or that category. But I keep running into these times, like with
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this question, but also when you talk about Calvinism, Calvinism, Armenianism, those types
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of things to where like, wait, is it the sovereignty of God or is it free will? And it's like, no,
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it's, it's both and you're never going to understand it. Help me and help the guys in
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the audience, Joby, that are like me that we don't like gradation. We don't like fuzzy.
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We like clarity and we like truth. And true seems to be a categorical thing. Does that
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make sense?
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It does. It does. It does. But you could, um, you could have a misapplied understanding
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and somehow God still use it in miraculous ways in your own life. I mean, you want to
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see who the greatest proof textures in the world are the New Testament writers. I mean,
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they grab some verses, not a Psalms, you know, like, is that what that meant? And then they
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apply it to the crucifixion of Jesus. I'm like, well, it must because, because the Bible
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interprets itself that way. But I mean, the key is is you should trust God's word. And
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if you don't understand exactly what it means at this point, no problem. Uh, one is that
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even Peter says that the writing of Paul is hard to understand. Two, you have the spirit
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of God and only he can expose the word of God to you. I can expose you to the word of
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God and be like, this book was written in this time and this is the audience and this
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is the setting. And here's what it says, but it's never going to really illuminate your
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life until the spirit of God does what he does in the word of God for you. Like, uh, you were
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talking about this very recently, probably a forging table. And even though I've told
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you this a bunch of times, your problem with Luke 15 and the prodigal son, you're always
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team older son until just recently, man, the spirit of God illuminated in your life that
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the older son is just as lost as the younger son. Just he's lost a religion and not rebellion.
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So if there's something about the word that you don't understand yet, just keep trusting
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it and keep reading it because God wants you to understand it at the right time, depending
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on where you are in your life.
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When I've, I've doing some forging table prep right now, cause obviously everyone listening
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knows that we're in Matthew. So I can't remember if it was, uh, Matthew 16 or 17, but it's where
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basically Peter is called. And you know, he's, he's basically Jesus saying, you know, you're
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the rock on which I'm going to build my church and all those different things. And it was
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just interesting as I was digging into those scriptures, it's like Peter trusted in Jesus
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the dude, but not in Jesus, the savior, Jesus, the Christ necessarily. And then all of a sudden
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he was just given that and which threw me for a loop again, whenever you get into these
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like, you know, is it sovereignty? Is are these things given? Do we actually make choices?
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And I don't really want to peel back all those layers right now because we got another question.
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So do you have anything else to say on that before we move on?
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Yeah, that's a good one. Cause he says, when, uh, that's Matthew 16, accessory of Philippa
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when Jesus says, you know, who do you say that I am and Peter says, uh, you were the Christ,
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the son of the living God and Jesus clears it all up and says, this is not your own idea.
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This was given to you by my heavenly father. So that's a, uh, that's a good point as no
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matter how many commentaries you have and how much you try to study God's word until the
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spirit of God illuminates things for you to see, you're just not going to see them in
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the way that you do when God teaches you his word. All right, very good. Well, let's move
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on to the next donor base question. Again, guys, if you are a monthly donor to undaunted
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life, you are able to get into the Q and A mailbag for the one, the only Joby Martin.
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So here we go. This is from Chris. What are your thoughts on a hell? I know this is difficult
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because it's not super explicit in scripture, but I've heard everything from its eternal
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absence from God, which never sits well with me since God is everywhere at all times to
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it's God's eternal wrath, which seems hard to align for me, but I guess can be shoehorned
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in as the presence of a single attribute of God to it's a temporary till God's final
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judgment. And then it doesn't exist type of a thing. The passages of it being burned up,
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consumed or destroyed, implying that there is either eternal life with God or a nothingness,
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void post God's judgment for all who aren't saved. So kind of a convoluted question,
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but I think you kind of got it. Everyone's kind of got their own views on hell and what that is,
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like, Oh, is Gehenna like a real place? Is there really, you know, gnashing of teeth and those types
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of things? Or is it kind of like, Oh, Jesus is divine, but he's not actually a vine. There are a lot
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of people that are confused about hell. So clear it up for us. Yeah. So the Valley of Gehenna is,
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it runs on the opposite side of Jerusalem as the Kidron Valley. And it was the trash heap in the
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first century. And I think what Jesus is doing there is describing an actual literal, physical,
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eternal place by pointing to something that people in the first century could get their head around
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because there were fires burning all the time. There were nasty vultures and birds. There were
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dogs fighting over scraps as gnashing of teeth. And he is saying an eternal separation from God
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is that. So is it eternal? Yes. Is it actual? Yes. Is it the wrath of God poured out? Yes.
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And it's at least as bad as all the physical descriptions in the Bible like an eternal lake
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of fire, of which you are forever burning, but never burn up. There is nowhere in the scripture
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that it seems to indicate that you cease to exist because that would be a mercy. It is God giving
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humanity what you want on this earth. If you want a relationship with him, I've got the greatest
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news of all time. You can have it through the blood of Jesus and then live in that imperfection
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forever. You want to reject him? I've got the most dangerous news you've ever heard in your life.
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God will turn you over to that if you reject it. And I think the people that describe hell as the
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absence of the presence of God, I think more technically what they mean is the absence of any
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good attribute from God. So take away all of all beauty, all truth, all of those things.
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And hell is just full of people who have decided that they have rejected God
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and will be eternally living with that consequence, which would be nothing but the most horrific
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thing you could ever think of. So this might get a little bit philosophical here, but in line with
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that, my follow up would be, and let me tease this out, is it quote unquote you that is suffering
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or is it you in a higher state? So what I mean by that is I've heard the argument before that
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like when an animal is suffering and dying, because I'm a weirdo, I like watching animals
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kill other animals on Instagram. I don't know. It's just fun to me. But you you see these animals.
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So it's a Komodo dragon that's eating a baby deer or something like that. But people are saying,
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look, that baby deer does not have consciousness. So it doesn't know that it is suffering because
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there is no it. There is no that animal. It's just an animal that is literally the firing of neurons
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causing it to to do whatever it can to survive. And so as humans, we are of a higher level of
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consciousness. So is it similar to the suffering of if I were to take this knife and slice my finger
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off right now, or is it like a higher, more potent version of suffering? I hope that question makes
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sense. It does make sense. Every, you know, I don't have a full list of every verse on the
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own hell or she old or Dehina in the Bible in front of me. But when Jesus tells the parable about
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Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man's in hell, he was the key here is he was not only suffering
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physically, because he's not just a physical being, but he was suffering heart, soul, mind,
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and strength. He was suffering because he he was worried about people. He was separated from people.
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He could see a place that he could never get to. And so I think it is a total and complete
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eternal suffering in every way you could think or imagine. And yes, it is you that is suffering.
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Well, that just sounds awful. So let's just roll that into another kind of gospel focused
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question. So this is a question from Logan. How do I know if I believe enough to be saved? Is there
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a point when you can have too much doubt while still considering yourself a believer and would
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cause you to be unsaved? No, Jesus says that the faith of a size of a mustard seed can move
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them out. And so I would say it is not the quantity of faith, but the object of your faith that
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matters. You could have an infinite amount of faith in this temporary world. And it would be
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infinitely more powerful for you to have Mark nine kind of faith where the dude says, I believe
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help me overcome my unbelief. That is the context where Jesus says it's the faith, the size of a
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mustard seed that you say to this mountain move. Here's how much faith it takes to be saved that
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you believe that when Jesus died on the cross, somehow that counted for you see the man on the
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middle cross that I could come. And you confess with your mouth, he is my Lord. If you look at the
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life of the disciples, you know what? The thing they had the hardest time believing at first
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was the resurrection. I mean, back to Matthew 16 right after, right after Peter says, you were the
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Christ, the son of the living God, Jesus then makes all the promises that he makes about I'm going to
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be on my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. And then he lays out the gospel.
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He said, I'm going to be crucified dead buried on the third day resurrected. Peter rebukes Jesus
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for that statement. In that moment, you would say, well, Peter can't be a Christian. Well, he was
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just called the rock and upon his public testimony of the gospel, the whole church was going to be
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built. And then Jesus says, get behind me Satan. So I don't think Peter, I know that Peter is not
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in and out of salvation. That when he declared that you're the Christ, the son of the living God,
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he is taking whatever his limited understanding of the gospel. And he is putting his faith in the
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life, death and resurrection of Jesus. According to Romans 10, nine and many, many, many, many other
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verses, when you do that, you're safe. And from that moment on, you continue to work out your salvation
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with fear and traveling. So not only would you grow in an understanding theologically of how that
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works, but you also deepen that relationship with Jesus on your way. And the opposite of fate is not
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doubt. See, John chapter six, they were all about ready to peace out on Jesus. When Jesus says,
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unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no part with me. And everybody starts leaving
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and remember, Jesus has the disciples, you don't want to leave to do you. The reason he asks is
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because that they wanted to leave. They're like, this is hard, boss. This doesn't even make sense.
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And he didn't explain it. He could have explained it. He could have been like, man, listen,
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I'm going to die. I'll be resurrected. There's a good thing called communion one day. And it's
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going to make sure that you're rooted in the gospel. He does it. He just says, you don't want to leave
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too. And Peter's answer helps me get through the places when my head kind of goes haywire with doubts.
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Peter says, to whom shall we go? You're the only one that offers eternal life. So here's what this
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means by faith, when you have doubts and unanswered questions, you just pick it up, follow after Jesus.
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By faith, you do that long enough. One day, you have no more doubts, not next Tuesday,
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but when you get to heaven, all your doubts will be gone because your faith becomes sight.
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But the crucial element, according to the whole New Testament, is do you believe or trust or commit
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to the word in Greek is postuo? Do you believe that when Jesus died on the cross and he says it
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is finished, that that counted for you, that you are trusting his life, death, and resurrection
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to be the propitiation for your sin. And if that, when that answer is yes, then you have put your
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faith in Christ and you are saved. And you can't lose your salvation because it's not yours to lose.
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The real question is, can God lose one of his kids? That answer is no.
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Very good. And I think back to the, to whom will I go thing? I've thought about that before.
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So let's say that somebody one day proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crucifixion was a lie,
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that that, like it was completely fabricated. They can show evidence that this never happened,
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blah, blah, blah. I've had that, you know, parallel universe conversation to where it's like,
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well, then what worldview do I go to? Do I become a Jew because I believe in a creator God?
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Like, do the Hindus somehow have it right because they have an innumerable number of gods that just
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kind of like work into whatever situation is currently, you know, a part of our life.
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But that's the thing is assuming that that doesn't happen. And you do believe that the
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resurrection is resurrection was a historical event. What is your other option? Like, right,
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you know, because some people will just kind of put their personal preferences on top of whatever
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Christian Christian sounding thing that they want to do. But that's a good question for a lot of
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people is like, where would I go other than here? Now that doesn't answer every theological question
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and doesn't answer, you know, every question about how we should live a good Christian life. But at
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least gets us off to a good start. I want to be brief with this one because it attaches to what
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we talked about here at the very beginning. But Levi was basically asking you like, how do you
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go about writing sermons? You've already described that to us. But I guess his question is basically,
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how do you structure it? Because some people won't really understand that listen to your sermons.
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Like, how do you go from an app and a tree stand to 60 minutes of preaching? That doesn't make
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a whole lot of sense. And then also, what resources would you recommend to other people that are
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trying to prepare in the same way? So I just answer, I usually, I almost always have just a text to
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them teaching. And if you just answer these three questions, you'll have a pretty good skeleton of
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a sermon. What happened? So what? And now what? So the what happened is Jesus walked on water,
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Peter got out on the water and sank. Okay, well, so what? Well, everything seemed to be
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going fine until he took his eyes off of Jesus. But that's where most people stop. At 1122,
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I preach to the action step to the now what? So now that's where I try to make the personal
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application, where are the places in your life where by faith you're out on water that Christ
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called you to, but you have a tendency to take your eyes off of him to use that scripture.
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But if you just answer those three questions, you're way down the road. Um, resources that I use,
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I use a whole bunch of different commentaries. Um, I've got this expository commentary right
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here. When you were over here, we were talking about it. What I like about this one is it's written
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for preachers. It's not just written for, um, the academics of it, but there are the cross way,
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the cross way ESV commentary for those that can't see it. Yeah, yeah. And those are your,
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those are your buddies. So that's really good. Honestly, um, I think it's especially if you're
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new at preaching, it's a really good idea to listen to a lot of preachers. It's just good. I mean,
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it's basically, especially, I mean, there needs to be a lot more prayer and study and a lot less
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copy and paste for sure. But there's a bunch of people, especially young guys, that I give them
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all of my notes and all of my resources and say, listen, man, if you just, just to start practicing,
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make this your own. Don't use my, my own personal stories as if they are yours. But man, feel free
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to use this. Nothing's new under the sun. But I listen to a lot of other preachers, basically like
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verbal commentaries, you know, to just learn not just what the text says, but how they present it
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in a way that's engaging and understandable. Okay. Very good. Well, this next question,
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it's a very short question, but it brings in a lot of different things. Uh, it brings in
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a lot of ways that we talk about things in modernity and how we categorize things and power
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dynamics and oppressor oppressed. So there's a lot packed into a short question, but this is from Ryan.
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This is the Ryan from the forging table. Did David rape Bathsheba? No. Okay, why not? Um,
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actually before before you get before you get there, let me say where I've landed on this issue,
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because I kind of got I didn't get caught flat footed with this. But I've said before that if you
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say that David raped Bathsheba, I can totally be down with that. Because in that day, a woman
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being brought before the king, right, she was basically without choices. She was without free
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will at that moment, lesser, you know, she lose her head in that moment. And so was she sexually
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attracted to King David and she gave herself to him and they had this, you know, thriving sexual
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relationship, albeit very immoral sexual relationship, perhaps. But I tend to think that she was brought
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there against her will, not kicking and screaming. But she's like, I better do this because I like
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living. So that that's kind of where I've landed on it. But but you say no. Well, yeah, I don't
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disagree with any of those things that you said. So let's let's come and use a different example
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that we know that we know that we know what the answer is, because it'll be very similar. So the
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woman caught in the act of adultery in John chapter eight, I've heard the same argument
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about that woman. Like first century, she's probably leaning on another guy just for survival. She was
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probably being taken advantage of. And I don't necessarily disagree with any of that kind of stuff.
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Okay. And the last thing in the world I'm trying to do is blame a victim, you know, or beat up
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somebody in a very vulnerable situation. But we know for a fact in John chapter eight that Jesus
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tells her that she was sinning. So he answers that question. So my problem with folks like on that
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one is, so so you think, you know, our modern understanding of power dynamics, that has a greater
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authority in your mind than the verse where John says that Jesus said, go and leave your life of
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sin. So I would want to, I wouldn't want to abdicate wholeheartedly by Shiva's responsibility for her
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own agency in her life. Because there were many people that were put in very, very difficult
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situations, and it did cost them their life, you know, but you are, but I don't disagree with what
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you're saying whatsoever. If the king orders you to do a thing, that's not like they met at a nightclub
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together and she was just cheating on, on her husband. So it is, it is different. But I would
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just be careful to read all of our, you know, modern psychological advances and sociological
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understandings all back into the text. I would first and foremost just read the text for what it
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says. Okay, very good. Well, let's go to the last question of the day. We're making this a tight
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half hour today. So this is a quick question. And why? So this is from Matt, who is your favorite
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Christian historical figure and why? Oh, man. Probably. I don't know, probably Wilberforce, man.
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There's a guy that leveraged all of, I mean, bro, you want to talk about a guy that would be
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loving some undaunted life. Here's a guy that love the Lord like crazy. And he, in his mind,
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he had no division between like what his secular life was and his, you know, private devotional life.
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That that's not the way he lived. He was like, I'm just one man and I'm following Jesus. And this is
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what I have to do. And I'm going to let the world feel the weight of me. And I'm just going to let
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them deal with it. And in some areas that made him kind of popular and some areas people wanted
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to kill him, but he didn't care. He seemed to be living a life. And he also didn't seem what was
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crazy is it it's not like he had this political agenda that he that he used his fate to support.
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That's not what he did. It seemed to be the exact opposite. He was just he just had this faith in
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Christ and was moved to follow. And then there were some repercussions. And there was a bunch of
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biblical justice that happened because because he was just a man following hard after Jesus. So
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we'll be forced. Dude was a gangster. But hey, that's that wraps up all my questions. Anything
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else you want to get off your chest? No, man, appreciate you. All right, we'll talk again soon.
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