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You know, there there's a bit of an issue here because, you know, most of the time it's ask a pastor, but then last year we experimented with ask a podcaster where you came on here grinning like an idiot with like eight pages of questions for me because you were like so giddy to try to like get me canceled. And then I was like, "Hey, for January or for, you know, for the February episode, do you want to do ask a podcaster again?" And he was like, "Yeah." But somehow that fell through the cracks with your 84 assistants and the 74 plane trips that you've taken or something like that. So, here we sit, Joey. I have no questions prepared for you, and you have no questions prepared for me. So, what do we do? Whatever you say. It's your podcast. All right. So, we're going to Bill O'Reilly this thing. We're going to do a live. So, this is what we're going to do. We are going to absolutely do our level best because we're we're both extemporaneous speakers, right? So, we kind of have our notes, we kind of have an idea where we're going, but then we just kind of flow. So, I'm going to just lead off with something. I got to come up with something. That's why I'm doing this very long intro to try to figure out a first question. And then you'll figure out a question, and then we'll just go back and forth and just see if it's any good. See if the content's any good. Oh, I got one. I got one cuz you're wearing a Jacksonville Jaguars Jaguars hat. So, on the last ask a pastor, I asked you who was going to win the college football playoff, and this was before the playoff started. And you very, very confidently said who was it? Who did you say was definitely going to win the national title? Who did you say? Who was it? I can't remember. >> Yeah, I can't remember, either. But if we go back to the tape land, and oh, we don't even need to go back to the tape because you started singing some weird song. You said, "Georgia Bulldogs, Georgia Bulldogs." But they got beat by the Lane Kiffin-less Old Miss Rebels, you know? But here you are also wearing a Jacksonville Jaguars hat. And by the time this comes out, Joey, Yeah. the playoffs for the NFL would have already started. I think the only thing left will be the Super Bowls. I think how is how all this turns out. So, let's go ahead and get your Super Bowl prediction for this year. >> be the mighty, mighty Jacksonville Jaguars. Got to be. Okay, but you have to give us it Well, it can't just be why not? I'm wearing the hat. Hey, I got to, you know, be a homer. What's your reasoning for how they can meander their way through the AFC as the non-top seed or whatever and actually make their way to the Super Bowl, wherever that is. Well, a couple things. Uh we start out with the Buffalo Bills, and they have a good running game, but we have the number one run defense in the league. I would say Trevor up to this point is playing hotter than any other quarterback. Actually, his numbers are a little bit better than Josh Allen's, but for some reason he don't get credit for that cuz we're a small market team. Um the number one seed in the AFC is the Denver Broncos, and anybody that's got a brain watched what happened when we went to Mile High and just beat them down. So, >> Mhm. uh I mean, the It It is not far-fetched that the Jags could legitimately make a run for the Super Bowl. But it's tough, man. It's you know, it is a tournament. It is one and done. If you lose, you go home. So, and it's the NFL, so you have no idea what might happen. But they really defense is playing well, they got a good running game, Trevor's playing great. I think we could do it. >> So, is it safe to say to all the Trevor Lawrence haters, to all the Trevor Lawrence doubters, you know, somewhere along that spectrum that those guys can just go sit down and and shut their mouths for a little bit, or are we still in the TBD category? No, I think there's enough evidence now. I think he's got the right coach with Liam, you know? And and Liam knows how to coach him, and the system works for him. And he had something like four or five different coaches and an offensive coordinators in his time. So, I just think it was uh one, I think we expect too much from quarterbacks too soon, you know, straight out of college and into the league. And it's just so much faster. And I think that Liam Colem knows how to coach him, knows how to cater it to Trevor. And so, I think that combo's going really, really well. So, go Jags. You heard it here first, Joey is the ultimate homer. Uh and that's just going to be how it's going to be. So, I gave you long enough to think about your first question. So, fire away, and then while I'm answering mine, I'll be thinking about my next one. All right. With the with the rise of popularity of podcast for all things, like everything from news to opinion, what do you think the future of like traditional traditional mainstream news and even now traditional cable news is? Yeah, I would say I actually thought about this recently. I forget who I was talking to. Oh, I was talking with J. Warner Wallace, a great Christian apologist, and he's been on the show a few times, great author. And he was talking about how like none of this is going to last. None of the this stuff that we're doing right now is going to last because he talked about in the apologetics space. He's like, you know, 50 years ago the the most famous Christian apologist was this guy, but, you know, none of his stuff got transferred kind of into the new media, and so nobody thinks about him. They're thinking about J. Warner Wallace, or they're thinking about William Lane Craig, or they're thinking about Cliff, nobody can pronounce his last name guy that goes to, you know, college campuses and you know, does the squat thing. Like, so it just depends. Now, he was like, cuz yeah, you don't see people converting stuff from eight-tracks to, you know, whatever is today. But I think we're in a different era, actually. Because the stuff that was being played, you know, in the cars that you started with with eight-tracks and all that kind of stuff, we can just ask our phone to play it for us. Like, and so we have all of that. And so, we used to have a setup, Joey, where you didn't have to remember your I'm sorry, that you had to remember what the media said because after they said it, you couldn't go back and check and make sure. Now, maybe you had a newspaper clipping, or maybe you had something like that, like, okay, this is what they thought at the time, but this is what they think now. But I think the ubiquity of podcasting is so substantial that the mainstream media has lost its stranglehold on capital T truth. But there's the other side swing, which goes back to, you know, number one for how to avoid being a crappy man this year was we have to hold our, you know, you know, our truth-tellers to a high level a high evidentiary standard. Cuz then you have people that have large profiles like a Candace Owens or an Ian Carroll or a Tucker Carlson that are saying things that are not substantiated or not substantiate-able, and then people are just taking it as news. And so, that's part of the problem is is, you know, we're kind of in this weird period where it's like, wait a minute, is this news or is this opinion? Because like when I'm going through something that's newsworthy, I try to just present the facts, and then I will editorialize. But some people are just like weaving in and out and switching back and forth, but then, you know, it's kind of like when people put on their journalist face, and then they'll put on their comedian mask, and then they'll put on something else. It's like it's a bit it's a bit of an issue. Um do you think there is such thing as a free press today, or do you think it's kind of all bought and paid for where where it's either um you know, big money behind whatever cable news you I mean, they're selling a product, right? They're not just reporting the news, and you tune into the one that you like the best, right? Yeah, I think >> honestly, it's not much different than me being a Jags fan. Yeah, I'm not simply watching football for the sake of football, I'm supporting my team. And if you watch CNN, there's a certain team you support. And if you're a Fox News guy, there's a certain team you support. And then, if you think those are bought and paid for, then you pick your favorite crazy podcaster, and then you get behind that. So, do you think there's any actual, you know, free press journalism anymore? Uh the only free press I would say would be the solo journalist or like, look at that Nick Sherly kid that was like walking around Minnesota, like going up to these daycare centers being like, "Hey, y'all got any kids here?" And some Somali person at the door who speaks four words of English is basically like, "No, no kids here." But I'm I will tell you this, like obviously CNN, Fox News, anything mainstream is is bought and paid for. I'm especially I I look especially askance at media sources who like in their byline or like in their, you know, charter basically says we're independent. Like, we're independent journalists. Yeah, they're the ones where I'm like, wait. Wait a minute. Are you sure? You sure that there's nobody that's influencing you? There's nobody that's like, "Oh, yeah, hey, I'll help a little bit out here, or hey, we'll buy, you know, subscriptions for our entire network and all that. But hey, we're in oil and gas, and so, you know, maybe take it ea- easy on the oilies." Uh so, those are the ones that I'm like especially like, hey, I don't really know what you I don't really know why you're going that direction. Don't you also think that the echo I got follow-ups. Don't you also think that the the echo chamber of the solo podcaster now uh and this could even include you. Um If you've just got the echo chamber it's hard not to only hear from the likes and cricks clicks and even critics that completely shape what you do. So, I mean, I got to think that's my what maybe began to send Candace Owens down the rabbit hole of crazy that she's down because when she's just starts you know, making up conspiracy theories based on dreams and feelings and that gets the most traction then it it's a confirmation bias that she thinks she ought to continue down that path. What do you think? That's one of the reasons why I don't read the comments. Uh that's one of the reasons why when someone sends me an angry email about something I said on the show or something I covered in quick hitters or you know, why didn't you cover this but you covered that. I always like I try to be as nice as possible understanding this person had such a bad day that they sought out a podcaster's contact page and fired off a poorly worded email complaining about something. So, there's probably some more stuff going on there. But it's it's always like hey, what was your best case scenario when you sent this email off? That I would respond with hey, you know, give me your phone number. I want to call you and thank you for castigating me as a stranger uh you know, in my inbox. Allow me to delete 850 episodes and start anew using your standards for decency. But I basically say hey, thanks for the feedback. Best of luck to you like that kind of a thing. But part of the reason why I don't take uh advice from strangers, why I don't take critique from people that I wouldn't take advice from and why I don't read the comments is because I don't want what I create to bend in any particular direction. I almost said erection. Yeah, guys, it almost happened. You know, there there you go. I'm that guy now on the podcast. I don't want to bend in any particular direction towards anything other than the word of God or what God's telling me to do. Right? >> Right. So, kind of similar like with the daily blade, I'll be like cuz I'm about to write a new daily blade like today, you know, for here in a couple of weeks. It's like God, it's your audience. What do you want me to tell them? Like what do you want to say through me? What do you want me to cover? And then don't you know it something pops in and it's like, you know, this would be interesting and I didn't come up with that idea. It was placed there by God. But if I'm like Uh well, you know, there's been some two-star reviews lately and they really don't like whenever I, you know, talk about music or worship music or something like that. They'd rather me just stick to the Bible and you know, do that kind of thing. Then it's like okay, well, maybe I just pull myself that way or the opposite where it's like yeah, you know, you're not really a Bible teacher, Kyle. Like you didn't go to seminary. Like you don't have a fancy degree. So, just give me the soft stuff. Talk to me about music or Titanic or you know, something like that that you've done in the past. I don't want the the chirping masses to to bend my content. If you tell me something or point out something or say hey, this worked well or hey, maybe this maybe wasn't so great. If Chandler did it, if any of my forging table guys or my foxhole did it, yeah, I will take that to heart. But for just some random slappy from the internet, I just like if that's what you're going to bend your content towards because of clicks and whatever, I just think there's way higher priorities than, you know, clicks and random donations. What uh what is the What is some of the most consistent criticism that you get? Uh it's always tone police. It's always I didn't like how you said that. It's always well, you should have been nicer to uh when talking about that person. Hey, you should have found Andy Stanley uh on the on the street and tried to set up a meeting through his assistant before you talked about a public figure publicly. It's it's usually stuff like that and again, those are kind of the easiest things to to discuss with people. It's like okay, if you didn't like the way that I said something, I would encourage you to go to one of the other six and a half million podcasts where people say things in a different way cuz if my tone offends you, it's not going to get better. I promise. I promise. It's not going to get better. Yeah. I always wondered did that did they like not know who you are? I mean, was it like one clip of you that they heard and not the whole library of Yeah, it's it's usually cuz again, people that just respond in the comment section on Instagram, this could be someone who's been familiar with my content for 17 seconds. And so I really don't want to take that person seriously cuz they're listening to a clip from an entire conversation or interview and they're making a complete declaration about who somebody is based off of that. So, it's like who's less qualified on the planet than that person to to give me feedback. But to people that are podcast listeners or it's like well, you know, I've been a fan of you for a while but now it's like again, what is the best case scenario? Like You know what I don't do, Joby? You know, if I there's a band that I started listening to and I was really jamming out with their stuff but then on the seventh or eighth or ninth, you know, listen to that song, it got a little stale. Imagine me going to their Instagram and sending them a DM and being like, hey Kings of Leon, like, you know, that song Sex is on Fire? Well, I don't feel the fire anymore. Like can you maybe think of something different in the future? It's like please like the narcissism that has to be there for you to feel like there's going to be anything positive that happens from your, you know, initial stimulus into the situation is just preposterous. Yeah, I wish I mean, I I feel like you and I are are pretty confident men in who God created us to be and we're loud and extroverts and very opinionated and at the same time deeply rooted in the scriptures and want to be submitted to the spirit of God and what God's opinion is the only thing that matters and we can quote Galatians 1:10 and all the things and yet doesn't it irk you how much other people's opinion actually does impact you? Like it bothers me that it bothers me. Yeah. And so I have to avoid I don't part of it for me, the reason I avoid reading comments and mean emails, I see a time. Yeah. Like I can't do it on a Monday cuz Monday the whole day Monday is dedicated to writing a sermon. And if at 9:00 I decided to just read what somebody thought about me, dude, it can just derail the whole sermon prep day. Again, Wednesday I'm on it and Thursday I'm preaching. So, I have very little time Yeah. of just mental space to just receive uh uninvited criticism and mostly when people criticize me, what they're I mean, dude, if you don't like me, no problem. I don't like me. I can't wait until all the me's burn up and it's only Jesus left, you know, when the glorified me is in heaven. I can't wait for that day either. But it pretty much just boils down to people wanted something and they didn't get it. Well, Joby, we >> We've been towards the pessimistic both of us in our personalities. So, we're attracted to the darker things cuz we like poking our finger in it and being like, hey, look out darkness. I'm coming for you. But there's the other side of that coin which is when you start waiting around in the darkness, it gets on you and it sticks in your brain because you can have a hundred people in the lobby tell you about how much that sermon meant to them or how much a book meant to them or how much that clip on Instagram that they saw meant to them. But you have one random person that's just like, yeah, it wasn't really feeling it today. I feel like you just kind of mailed in that sermon. And those words are just going to play over and over and over in your brain and you're sitting there with your head on the pillow and you're like that stranger in the lobby, you know, said that I just mailed it in. I I didn't mail it in. I'm going to show him on my next sermon. I'm going to give two times the effort. It's like, no, man. Like so for me, I guess I don't have the emotional maturity to read people's, you know, strangers criticism and be like, oh well, I bet they're just having a bad day. I I just don't go there all the time. I got to be in a really good mood to end up with something positive there. Do you get criticism for what you're not talking about? Like I got a long email this week. Uh I only saw a piece of it. I quit reading it cuz I'm not talking about Islam enough and um So, I just want to be like, how come you didn't ask about the thousands of Christians being killed in Nigeria right now? You know what I mean? Like we can play the tragedy game, right? If you don't if you don't If you're not up to date on all the latest tragedies. And I don't disagree that the rise of Islam in the West is is a very very big deal. I'm not exactly sure at what point I'm preaching on that or where the Bible leads me to preach on that. It may but in my current series right now, we're we're teaching through the book of Matthew. Um but you know, I get a lot of that. 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Well, and so what I ask people, so when somebody's really mad about something I'm not talking about. So, literally yesterday I'm writing my next solo episode. And so, I won't say which one just in case I got to like scrap the whole thing cuz something else happens in the news. But, it was after a time period, you know, over the holiday and here I've got all these things I want to talk about. But, then I'm like, okay, what are the things that I definitely want to talk about now? And so, yesterday I deleted two enormous things that have happened in our world and I'm not going to comment on them because it just didn't fit what I wanted to to do with the episode and how much time I have and, you know, the level of effort I can put into the preparation. But, when somebody is overwhelmed or burdened with a particular story or particular subject or philosophy or group of people or something like that, I'm like, "Hey, buddy. Try to put a mirror up to him and say, maybe this is something you're being called to do. So, you're looking at a content creator that you liked at least up to this point to listen to and you want me to equip you with how to think and act in this particular category. But, maybe what God's saying is you are into this so much that maybe it's your thing. Like with Undaunted Life a few years ago, I thought I was going to get into and I'm I may still might, but I probably won't, kind of the father-son rites of passage space. But, I I just kept hearing, I guess it would be be from God, that's like, "It's just not your lane." Right? When sometimes it's like, "Hey, man, that was a pretty rough episode today. I was listening in the car with my kids." I was like, "Well, that was dumb." Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. And I even gave you a warning, "I'm about to talk about some pretty rough stuff." and you left it on. Sounds like a dad problem. And so, it's just like my lane is equipping men to push back darkness. Now, is marriage a part of that? Yes. Is, you know, making sure your financial house is in order part of that? Sure. But, there's all these other different areas that I would rather refer you, similar to what Church of 1122 does, as opposed to y'all trying to create the best pro-life ministry in the Jax area or whatever, you just do First Coast Women's Services, right? You just partner with them and you just, you know, infuse what they're doing with with resources and volunteers. And so, that's what I just try to tell people is like, if you're so fired up about this thing, you go do something about it. That's not necessarily my job. Yeah, that's a good idea. Good. Well, I got one question for you, I guess, right? Cuz you you you played Mr. Journalist follow-up question. So, I heard a quote recently that I'd never heard and I've I've consumed just about everything Voddie Bauckham has ever said, you know, verbally, on video, or written, or whatever. But, he was doing an interview someplace and he was talking about church, okay? Mhm. And he was talking about how Now, he wasn't like putting a line in the sand and saying if you do it this way, you're wrong. It was more like a this is what I believe. But, he basically was like, if you have multiple services at your congregation, you have multiple congregations. And so, I I didn't automatically think about a megachurch. I thought about my church, which has slowly grown over 30 years. It was like 400 people and then it was 700 and then it was 1,500. Now, it's maybe 2,500, you know, people in attendance on a Sunday. But, we got a 8:00 a.m. We got a 9:30 and we got an 11:00. And his thought process was, "Look, most of the time it's the same people at the that service and the same people at the next one and same people at the next one. And if we are called to be one body, well, if parts of the body never even see each other, don't even have a chance to see each other cuz you got the, you know, 7:22 on Thursday person and then you've got the middle of the afternoon Sunday person. How could those people be part of the same body? Now, obviously I know you're not going to agree with Voddie cuz that's not how y'all have decided to do church, but I thought it was an interesting, I don't know, an interesting hermeneutic about, okay, how do we explain church and how it should be done cuz of course, that doesn't even join up and jive with the ecclesia model that we see from the first century. Uh, you know, and again, the most of the ecclesias didn't meet on Sunday morning, right? They just met when they met and this was like a daily rhythm for a lot of people. >> They gathered house to house and and then they would gather up on the Lord's Day. So, yeah, you're right. So, it's a very narrow reading of one word in the New Testament, gathering, at the exclusion of a bunch of the other words that are used to describe the church. That's what that is. And I do think that's one of the places where he put his preference up on par with the precepts of God. And I think that's very dangerous. So, uh, he does the same He did the same thing when he was talking about kids ministry. >> yeah. Yeah. And so, I I mean, look, the ultimate mandate is to make disciples. The way by which we do that, in my opinion, from the New Testament, is there's a whole lot of latitude for a bunch of different churches and a bunch of bunch of different contexts to do it a bunch of different ways to accomplish the Great Commission of making disciples that make disciples that make disciples. So, I have Family is another word that the Bible uses. It's the primary word that describes the the believers in a church, right? Mhm. And so, just because I don't see my brother very much, that doesn't mean he's not my brother. So, that I would I would push back a lot. I would also look at what was actually happening in the first century. And, um, I mean, Paul wrote letters to regions of churches and just called them the church. And so, those people did not attend the same building, even, much less the same time. And yet, Paul referred to them as a church, as a part of the big C church. So, again, I think it's a very narrow reading. And I also think that's his preference and he's reading that into the text cuz that's the way he wanted to do it. Well, let me actually ask you and we can probably just wrap up with this. So, you've ex- you know, explicitly said before, if you put your preferences above what the word says, you're doing it wrong. And I think that that's pretty easy to defend. Right. >> But, let's say the text is nuanced or nebulous or unclear, like legitimately unclear on pick a topic, right? You can find a bunch of theologians >> music. How about this? The type of music you should sing at church. Okay, so let's take that subject. You're going to find theologians and pastors on both sides. But, what do we do? What do we elevate? >> it's specific in the Old Testament and it's open in the New Testament. It is prescriptive in the Old Testament and it is and it's descriptive in the new. But, there's a big reason why. So, in the Old Testament, there's actually the hymn books in there, the Psalms. These are the songs we're going to sing. Because it was to a culture, a people, there was a temple. This is it. And and in order for you to be a part of being a Yahweh believer, then you would integrate yourself not just into belief that there's one true God that created all the things and gave us the law, but you submitted yourself to that law and that law was to a people and to a Jewish way of life. Jesus comes in the New Testament with a new and better covenant to supersede, to fulfill all the law and the prophets, but to expand it. And it is to every tribe, tongue, and nation. And now we don't get specific descriptions of this music is okay and that music's not okay. And you you have spent hours talking about the silliness of elevating somebody's cultural preference in music as being more God-pleasing than somebody else's cultural uh, cultural preference in music. So, that would be a good example of one. And then what's funny is, um, the There's There's some folks that say, "Well, listen, you know, the Bible didn't have it, you know, church class folks are like, "Well, the Bible didn't have instruments in the New Testament, therefore we can't have instruments." You said that on YouTube. The Bible also didn't have YouTube. >> a church with HVAC and electricity and plush seats. So, what they call that is the regulatory principle and that the New Testament regulates what's okay for for church services. And if it's not explicitly mentioned, then it must not be okay. However, nobody actually fully believes in it. That air conditioning is a great example. Putting your your comments about church online is a great example. Wearing closed-toed shoes is a great example. Wearing a tie. You see what I mean? And so, you got to be really, really careful. And we all do it. We all have a tendency I mean, we all like our preferences, no problem. And that's a part of the beauty of all the different kinds of churches around because it's God made all kind of different people. And, um, I think we should celebrate that and just be very careful. Be very, very careful. Even if it's a matter of conscience of what you do, that what is good for me, if I make it a must for you, that is that pharisaical kind of legalism that gets people in trouble that Jesus preached against. All right. Well, everybody expects a little bit of goofballery at the end of this. Just made that that one up. Uh so, here here's a question for you. What weighs more? A gallon of water or a gallon of butane? Oh, wow. Uh I don't know which one is more dense. I guess maybe butane? Well, it's actually a gallon of water. And do you know why? I have no idea. Cuz butane is a lighter fluid. That's You're stepping into your dad joke error, brother. Man, I feel like when the boys were like two and four, I really started You know, like when your dad strength comes in or your old man strength. When they were like two or four, I really felt it come up. And now that they're five and three, I feel like I'm I'm getting into pro level. Right? I'm I'm back to have my >> It It's a bell curve, okay? So, you're at you're at the climbing peak. Like not good and even decent jokes, they're it's going to crush. All the puns. What's going to happen by the time they get the driver's license, even actual funny crushers are going to be lame cuz they just don't have a category for you to be awesome. You know what I mean? So, enjoy it while you can, brother. No diapers, no driver's license, that's the glory days. Well, I'm just going to say right now, we currently are in a culture that thinks saying two numbers back to back that I refuse to say and doing some stupid thing with their hands is funny for some reason. So, I'm just going to lean into it even whenever it stops landing, you know, on the back end towards the driver's licenses. But, Joby, that's all for me. Anything else you want to get off your chest? Uh no, man. Look forward to the stuff we got coming up. A lot. >> But, what what about next month? What do we do? Is it cuz on this one I'm going to have to call it ask a pastor {slash} podcaster cuz neither one of us did our job. What about next one? Is it ask a pastor or ask a podcaster? You get to choose. >> do ask a podcaster. I'll be fully prepared. All right. Come with bells on. We'll see you next time, Joby. Peace. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Wherever you're listening to this, please subscribe, rate, and leave us a positive five-star review. If you want me to come speak live at your event or on your podcast, just shoot me an email to info@undaunted.life. That's i n f o@undaunted.life. 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