Andy Stanley: The Circle-Drawing Snake (Ep. 512)

0:00 This is Undaunted Life Man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.

0:27 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the

0:32 woman, did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden? That is Genesis 3.1. Keep

0:37 that in mind as we go through today. Show guys, I'm so thankful that you are here today. And if you

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1:05 distraction. Just also wanted to give a quick shout out to our donors. Thank you so much to all

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2:06 the knife raffle. So I think I announced the knife raffle a couple of weeks ago. But guys,

2:10 don't skip this part, even if you heard about the knife raffle last time, because there's a very

2:14 interesting update to this that I'll give you at the very, very end. So for those of you that had

2:19 not heard of this, our friends at Stevenson knives out of Florida, they have graciously donated this

2:23 amazing custom knife. I mean, look at this thing. And it'll go to one special supporter

2:30 of undaunted dot life. So just to give you a little bit of the background, Blaine and Sean

2:34 Stevenson wanted to help raise money for undaunted life. So they donated a knife for us raffle off.

2:38 But then we decided collectively that we wanted to split that money. And so 50% is going to go

2:42 to our operations here. But then we decided the other 50% is going to go to the rescue team of

2:47 the Tim Tebow Foundation. If you haven't heard me talk about the rescue team before, that is the

2:52 arm of the Tim Tebow Foundation that does anti human trafficking and child exploitation. So there's

2:57 some key things that they do they help prevent these things from happening to begin with. They

3:01 help actively rescue children and others that are stuck in child or in sex trafficking or just

3:05 trafficking of any kind. But then they also do survivor care. Because once you're taking out

3:10 these situations, the amount of physical and spiritual and mental and emotional and social

3:15 support you're going to need is all there. So they currently have operations in about 30 countries.

3:20 This includes five safe homes that they're operating and they're partnering in about 13

3:25 more and 15 additional homes that they're about to get into. And the thing about it is this money

3:30 that we're raising and that we're going to donate goes directly to their operations and directly to

3:35 helping kids get out. We're not paying people's salaries. We're not paying for pizza parties.

3:39 We're not paying for, you know, private jet flights. This is going directly to operations to get

3:43 kids out. And we have this big hairy audacious goal of raising $10,000 to where it could be split

3:49 between us and the Tim Tebow Foundation. We're not really close to that right now. Okay, so,

3:55 but I did want to give you a little bit more information on the knife and then, you know,

3:58 we'll get to this, you know, the raffle and then the special announcement. So this is the Stevenson

4:02 Knives Hunter number two. So the blade, if you can see that there, this is a twisted pattern. So this

4:07 is 1084. And then also a 15 in 20 Damascus over pure nickel with a 52 100 carbon steel core. So if

4:16 you're a knife guy or if you're a metallurgist or something like that, that's going to make a lot

4:19 of sense to you. The handle is beautiful. It's amber dyed camelbone. It's got a black G 10

4:24 liner and mosaic pins. The tang is tapered. The sheath. This thing is amazing. This is a handmade

4:30 top grade Herman Oak leather sheath. This knife that I'm holding right here typically retails

4:36 for $450. But it's going to go to somebody that has a may pay way less than that. But this is how

4:43 the raffle works. Any person that donates $25 through our donation website between now and

4:49 October the 23rd, this ends on October the 23rd and puts the word knife in the comments section.

4:55 That's very, very important. They will automatically have their name entered into a randomized drawing

4:59 for the knife. Every $25 that you donate equals one spot in the raffle. So if you donate a hundred

5:04 bucks, you go in the randomizer four times. If you donate a thousand bucks more on that here in a

5:08 second, you will go in the randomizer 40 times so on and so forth. So and also all the current

5:13 donors to undaunted life, the ones that I thanked right from the top regardless of how much or how

5:17 long you've been donating, we are going to put your name in the randomizer twice just as a thank you.

5:22 But obviously current donors can also make additional donations to have their name in the raffle more.

5:26 And then we're going to take a video of us doing the randomizer post out on Instagram and we're

5:30 going to announce the winner on our show on October the 26th. So most of you've already known that.

5:34 But here is a big offer directly from Sean and Blaine Stevenson. Okay. So they were texting me

5:40 a couple of weeks ago. They're like, Hey, how's how's it going? And it's like, yeah, you know,

5:43 we're not getting as much traction this time. We know there's a lot of people out there that

5:45 are hurting financially and all that. And so they said, you know what, we are so just tickled to death

5:52 that people are donating money to you and to the Tim Tebow Foundation just for the chance of getting

5:58 one of our knives that they decided to do this. The first five people to donate $1,000 or more

6:06 to this raffle, they are going to get a Stevenson knife regardless of the raffle. Okay. And they're

6:13 still going to be in the raffle. Okay. So again, the first five people that donate $1,000 or more

6:20 are going to get a Stevenson knife and you can work with them on which one you want. They've got a

6:25 lot of different options. It's an amazing thing. Their knives, you know, three, four, $500 knives,

6:29 these are amazing knives. So if you donate $1,000 or more, you're guaranteed to get at least one knife.

6:35 But then beyond that, you could win this knife, this second knife. Okay.

6:40 So this does include people that have already donated. So if you've donated a hundred bucks

6:44 and you're like, well, I want to go ahead and get one of these. If you donate 900 bucks or more,

6:49 you're automatically, if you're one of the first five, you're going to get a Stevenson knife and

6:53 still be in the raffle. If you've donated 500 bucks, you can donate another 500 bucks and then you will

6:58 be guaranteed to get one knife and then you will have a higher chance of winning a second knife. So

7:03 guys, that is the information we're so glad for Sean and Blaine Stevenson to be able to make that

7:08 offer to our audience because they know that this money is going to a great cause. So to support

7:12 us on the rescue team, make sure you go to our show notes and go to our donation page. So on the

7:17 quick hitters for today's episode, we're going to talk about Trevor Bauer having his professional

7:22 baseball career destroyed by a conniving manipulative gold digging whore. Yeah, sorry, it's rough,

7:28 but we're going to get into it. Also, Paw Patrol featuring a non binary character.

7:32 President Biden's egregious tweet about thoughts and prayers. RFK Jr. indicating that he plans to

7:38 launch an independent bid for the 2024 presidential election. California Governor Gavin Newsom surprising

7:44 his surprising veto of AB 957. And then also famous tattoo artist Kat Von D renouncing witchcraft

7:52 and accepting Christ. Before we get there, I do need to flow in a few situations because I wrote

7:58 this episode most of the content last week. But since then there's been three things that I didn't

8:05 want to, you know, take out of the quick hitters or to do a completely different episode because I

8:09 want to make sure we get into the Andy Stanley stuff. But obviously I need to make a few quick

8:12 comments. The situation right now in Israel. So obviously Israel was attacked by a terrorist

8:18 organization Hamas. As of right now, there's too much information coming out to really know

8:23 what's true. So I'm going to let the dust settle a little bit before I make full on comments about

8:27 it. But we're looking at as of this morning, I'm recording this Monday morning. So it's coming

8:31 out a few days later, the death toll is close to 1000. It could certainly go well beyond that.

8:36 A bunch of people have been injured and kidnapped. And we've seen Iran. They have claimed that they

8:43 helped fund this. And if you remember, just a few weeks ago, the Biden administration released $6

8:48 billion of funds to Iran. And then the Iranians were like, yeah, we're just going to use this for

8:54 whatever we want. Whereas the Biden administration's like, no, they're only going to use it for like,

8:58 you know, textbooks and, you know, Band-aids and Neosporin. And so obviously the Iranians,

9:03 the Iranians use part of the money that we sent to them to slaughter our supposed allies.

9:09 Okay, so it would be super awesome. If my tax dollars and your tax dollars weren't going to fund

9:14 terrorism, but we have the Biden administration in office. And then we also have a lot of people

9:18 coming out that are, they are not condemning what Hamas has done, but they're condemning Israel's

9:26 response. And I would tell you, just be aware of people that are not condemning terrorists that

9:32 are going around slaughtering people, beheading them, shooting them in the face on the street,

9:37 going door to door and pulling family members out and slaughtering them in front of each other,

9:42 raping women, and then parading them around for others to see. I saw a picture of a woman who is

9:46 badly beaten. And you can see her backside. She's wearing sweatpants. And the bottom of her sweat

9:51 pants, sorry, the where her bottom is, where her butt is, is bloody and dirty, because she had been

9:57 annually and vaginally raped repeatedly by these people that are so just so oppressed by the

10:03 Israelis that they were forced to do this barbarism, right? So beware of those people. And again,

10:08 that kind of gets into the moral equivalent. So this there is no moral equivalence between the

10:12 plight of the Palestinian people and the Israeli people right now. Now, certainly, are there

10:17 Palestinians that are not for Hamas? Yes, but we have to remember that Hamas, I'm not going to

10:22 get into a big history of, you know, the Gaza strip or anything like that, Hamas, these people

10:28 voted for Hamas to take over their area. So these people voted for them. And then they just stayed

10:35 in power. But to pretend like there's a moral equivalence is ridiculous. And just reminded me,

10:40 and a lot of people reminded me is like, gosh, at least we don't have mean tweets though, right?

10:44 Because when Trump was in office, no new wars. And, you know, people were quiet because they didn't

10:51 know what Trump was going to do. Now, son, all of a sudden, we have, you know, this, you know,

10:56 Roomba of a human being in the White House. And there's Russia invading Ukraine. You have the pull

11:03 out from Afghanistan, more on Afghanistan in a second. And then you have these attacks on Israel.

11:07 And then you have Joe Biden coming out and saying, Oh, no, we completely support and we

11:10 stand with Benjamin Netanyahu and the entire country of Israel and we're giving whatever they

11:14 need. Well, you also funded the people that are slaughtering them to the tune of $6 billion. So

11:21 excuse me if I don't believe you. Okay. So I completely stand with Israel. Obviously, if they do things

11:27 that are outside the norm of just warfare, I don't support that. But just in general, I do support

11:33 Israel. And I think that we should all be praying for the people of Israel, but also be praying for

11:37 the non-teroristic Palestinians who are stuck. Because maybe they didn't know that they were

11:43 electing a terrorist organization. Again, the non-teroristic non is islamist

11:48 sympathizers that are in Palestine because these are people that, you know, the money that is being

11:53 sent to them should be used for aid to improve their lives, but it's not being used for terrorism.

11:58 But then also within 24 hours of that, over 2000 people perished because of an earthquake in

12:04 Afghanistan. And Afghanistan is currently being ran by the Taliban because of the United States.

12:09 We basically handed over the government back to these, you know, islamist,

12:15 terroristic leaders. And so you can't imagine that the people that have been damaged by this and

12:21 the people that have lost people and the people that need aid are going to get that because that

12:24 country as well as being ran by terrorists. But then on a slightly different note, I need to talk

12:29 a little bit about Tim Ballard. So as you know, I had Tim Ballard on the show episode 477. He

12:34 is the center point of the movie sound of freedom. And we talked about that. There are some things

12:39 that are very likely going to break. I don't know when Glenn Beck talked about it a little bit on

12:44 his show last week. But there are some allegations for some sexual assault and sexual impropriety

12:50 and potentially financial impropriety as well that are going to be coming out about Tim Ballard.

12:55 And so to the people that were asking me over the weekend, so are you going to delete your

12:58 episode with him? Are you going to renounce him? Are you going to do all those things?

13:01 But I still believe that we live in a country where you're innocent until proven guilty.

13:04 I can say from the stuff that I've seen, it looks like he might be guilty of some of the things he's

13:09 being accused of. But the answer is, is even if he's found completely guilty of everything,

13:14 of course, I'm not going to take down the episode. I was wary of interviewing Tim Ballard from the

13:18 beginning because I had heard some things from some people that knew him and knew how he operated

13:22 and said, you got to be careful with this guy all the way up to, hey, you can't talk to this guy,

13:25 it's going to be a disaster. But he has brought light and the movie has brought light to a very,

13:31 very horrific thing, child sex trafficking. And he's going to be probably an imperfect vessel for

13:37 something like this. But I'm just going to let the interview stand on its own two feet. I tried

13:41 to make the interview more about what he experienced as opposed to the organizations that he might

13:46 be using for his, you know, sexual and financial picky dillies. Okay, so if something breaks in the

13:52 Tim Ballard stuff, we will certainly talk more about that. But as of right now, I don't really

13:56 have much more to say because there's not much more to say about it. But before we get into the

14:00 main topic for today, I did want to just kind of bring this up. The financial status of most Americans

14:05 and most American families is not great. Okay, so there was a recent Gallup poll that said 88%

14:10 of non retired Americans are very worried about having enough money to retire 88%. In that same

14:16 poll, only 19% of non retired Americans even think they will have enough money to retire comfortably.

14:22 I mean, 19% that's terrible. The thing is, though, the reality is much worse than that,

14:27 because I've seen estimates that claim that roughly 95% of non retired Americans are currently

14:33 not on track to be able to retire. And that is only concerning savings and investments.

14:38 So that doesn't even account for people that are exposed to serious financial problems if they were

14:41 to get sick or hurt and wouldn't be able to work or God forbid they pass away without having a plan

14:46 in place to keep their family financially whole. So that's why I want to introduce you to my

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14:56 you reach your chosen financial goals by helping you develop an overall plan to ensure that you

15:01 and your family's financial success is going to be possible. Okay, so this could be IRAs,

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15:15 comes with knowing that you are taking proactive steps or have taken proactive steps towards

15:20 financially securing you and your loved ones. Okay, think about the legacy that you could leave

15:24 behind. And that's, you know, something that really would reflect your conservative values

15:27 and the hard work you put in throughout your life. So I personally trust Mike McCall with

15:31 my financial planning. So I think that you should at least give him a shot. So to receive a free

15:35 personal and or business financial assessment, there is a link in the show notes where you can

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15:53 assessment with Mike. Okay, now we're about to get into it. Got to take a big drink of water here.

16:00 Andy freaking Stanley. Okay, I don't want this podcast to be the here's the latest thing that

16:08 Andy Stanley said that was so ridiculous and her reticle. But we do need to kind of keep this

16:14 thread going on something that's been happening. I just got to tell you personally, I'm pretty

16:18 frustrated because I had a plan for today's episode that I've been working on for a couple

16:23 of months. And I really wanted to talk about and it was going to be pretty valuable. And it was

16:26 going to kind of be a unique thing. And now I have to push that plan for at least, you know,

16:31 a month because I got some hunting trips coming up. So we're releasing a lot of interviews here

16:34 soon. So Andy Stanley's just dorking up my life. So I'm not a huge fan of that. But

16:39 if you are new to the show, which we have a lot of new listeners, I want to go ahead and bring

16:43 you up to speed. Okay. So I used to be a big Andy Stanley guy. I used to listen to his sermons all

16:48 the time for years. He came and spoke at my church. I was attending at the time life church way back

16:53 in the day. And I was like, this guy's really interesting, communicates well, and I just started

16:57 following him. But then he started saying some weird stuff. Like we should unhitch the Old Testament

17:03 from the New Testament. He started saying things are kind of pointing towards some kind of more

17:08 liberal ideologies. And he was kind of like moseying towards deconstruction seemingly is

17:13 where he's on path now. And so earlier this year, episode 423 of this podcast that I released,

17:18 I think in January, it's called Andy Stanley is a heretic. And so the big question that I asked

17:23 in that episode is, is it fair to call Andy Stanley a heretic? And so the definition

17:28 of heretic from the American heritage dictionary of the English language is quote specifically

17:33 in theology, a profess believer who adopts and persistently maintains religious opinions

17:39 contrary to the accepted standards of his church. Unquote. So by that definition,

17:43 because of what Andy Stanley has said in public about LGBTQ identifying people, yes, you can

17:50 absolutely categorize Andy Stanley as a heretic. Okay. Then we had episode 499, a few weeks ago,

17:57 called update, Andy Stanley is still a heretic. And the reason why we did an update episode

18:02 is because that was about the unconditional conference. Okay. So the unconditional conference,

18:06 you probably heard about it. This was targeted at church staff and parents of supposedly LGBTQ plus

18:12 identifying children. Okay. The speakers that were going to be there were certainly Andy Stanley,

18:17 a bunch of LGBTQ affirming individuals, but also specifically two guys that are supposedly

18:24 Christians that are also married to men. I say marriage with, you know, big scare quotes there

18:29 married to men. So these are people that are not hiding from their LGBTQ identity. These are not

18:34 people that are like, Oh, you know, I'm trying to see what I can do for the sake of Christ. These

18:38 are people that are just actively going out of their way to, you know, do this type of thing.

18:43 And unfortunately, I got, I'm going to have to like literally take a break because I got to close

18:47 my window because I can literally hear people working on a lawn. So one second, we're doing it live.

18:51 I could have edited that out, but hey, we're running a, we're running our own thing here. And

19:04 then we got the dog me barking downstairs. Okay. So let's get out of the chaos. Let's get back to

19:09 what we were talking about. So I do the episode for 99 before this conference even happened.

19:15 And so it's kind of weird. It's like, how are you so fired up about a conference that hasn't happened

19:18 yet? Well, I also did episode 502 of this podcast called How often do you think about the Roman

19:24 Empire? And the first quick hitter was about Al Moller calling Andy Stanley out by name.

19:30 And this was also before the conference had even happened. Okay. So he wrote an article for world.

19:35 But since then the conference has happened. Here we are in October. The conference took place on

19:40 September the 28th and 29th. So after the conference was over, I was actually expecting to see a bunch

19:46 of clips floating around the internet showing, you know, ridiculously heretical left wing woke

19:52 rhetoric from the speakers at the conference. But I didn't see any. I didn't see anything.

19:58 After the conference was over, I was expecting to see a bunch of blogs from, you know, conservative

20:02 Christian outlets and bloggers and podcasters discussing just the horrific stuff that was said

20:08 at the conference. But I didn't see any of that either. Actually, the very first thing that I saw

20:12 about the conference after it happened was an article by church leaders.com with this headline.

20:17 Andy Stanley affirms traditional view of marriage following controversial unconditional conference.

20:26 And my initial reaction was just slack jawed shock. Wait, wait, Andy Stanley affirmed traditional

20:33 marriage. Looks like I'm gonna have to eat a bunch of crow, right? But then I started to read the

20:38 article. It started out by saying that on the Sunday following the unconditional conference,

20:43 which again was held at his church, North Point Community Church, that Andy Stanley took a break

20:47 from his normal sermon series to do a one off message directly responding to the public criticism

20:53 of him and North Point regarding the unconditional conference and more specifically to the public

20:57 criticism levied by almolar. Okay, he said that he wanted to address the misinformation that he

21:03 called it floating around about the purpose of the conference. But there was one article or,

21:07 sorry, one sentence from the article that really caught my eye. It was in the second paragraph.

21:13 And it said this quote, prior to Sunday's worship service, the pastor sent out an announcement

21:18 explaining that he would be addressing why the church hosted the unconditional conference

21:22 on Thursday and Friday, and that there wouldn't be a live stream of the service this week.

21:27 That's weird. Kind of begs the question, why in the world would Andy Stanley not live stream this

21:34 message? I mean, in his own words, in the announcement to the members of North Point, he said,

21:40 a great deal of misinformation is circulated regarding the purpose of the conference.

21:44 And I do not want you to be misinformed. That's a direct quote from him. So why would he not want

21:49 the greater North Point community and Christian community to hear what he has to say? We'll

21:54 certainly get more into that a little bit later. But then the website protestia, that's P-R-O-T-E-S-T-I-A

22:01 protestia acquired and released the audio from the sermon, this hidden sermon that Andy Stanley,

22:06 you know, was hiding from the rest of the world. Now, I'm going to provide a link in the show notes

22:11 to this audio so you can go listen for yourself. It's not super high quality, but you can clearly

22:17 understand the words he's saying. I was not able to rip the audio to include it in the show today.

22:22 That's probably a good thing because I have a sneaking suspicion that there are some staff

22:25 members at North Point that are listening to my show and waiting for me to slip up so I don't

22:29 have express written permission to use large chunks of the audio in my show. So I'm actually

22:33 going to read for you from the transcript of the sermon. So there is a lot of interesting stuff

22:38 from the sermon, but I want to focus in on the main part, which is where he supposedly clarifies

22:44 North Point's position on what he calls the New Testament sexual ethic, which is weird because he

22:50 could have just said biblical sexual ethic, but I think he's specifically focusing on the New Testament

22:54 for a purpose. So we're going to dig in here. It's a long excerpt. So go ahead and buckle up.

22:59 This is essentially one narrative. So I'm leaving off, you know, half sentences and kind of verbal

23:04 mess up so that it flows a little better while I'm reading it, but I'm not going to remove a single

23:08 word of relevant context. This is Andy Stanley talking during his sermon in front of North Point

23:13 Community Church after the unconditional conference on Sunday, October the 1st. Okay.

23:18 What do we believe? What does our church believe? In churches, our size, you can find

23:23 individuals who believe just about anything, everything, and nothing. The better question,

23:27 perhaps, is the question, what do we teach? What do we teach your children, your grandchildren?

23:33 What do we teach about these issues? And it's the same thing we have taught for 28 years.

23:38 Nothing has changed. As it relates to sexuality, here's what we teach. And hopefully you notice,

23:43 I feel like you've been coming for a while there. There should be no question about this,

23:47 but I don't mind just putting it out there. We teach what I refer to as a New Testament

23:52 sexual ethic. So from middle school to high school, to college, to singles, to marriage,

23:57 to single again, every age and stage of life, this is what we teach. Whether a student is

24:01 straight or gay or questioning, this is what we say. Hey, if you're going to follow Jesus while

24:06 you're figuring this out, if you're going to follow Jesus as you struggle with your identity,

24:10 or some of the things that you're feeling, if you're going to follow Jesus, here's what

24:14 it looks like sexually to follow Jesus. And the reason your heavenly fathers called you to live

24:19 this way is because he loves you. Here it is. It's just three statements. Number one,

24:23 honor God with your body. Because the Holy Spirit lives in you and your body is how people know

24:29 what you believe and where you stand and your behavior through your body is to exemplify the

24:33 goodness of God and the grace of God and the love of God. So you always honor God with your body

24:39 and you always honor other people's bodies. Number two, don't be mastered by anything,

24:44 not by porn, by sexual addiction, don't be mastered by another person, don't be mastered by your

24:49 infatuation, don't be mastered by your lust, don't be mastered by anything. You have a master and

24:55 he's a king and he loves you and he created you and he knows what's best for you. And number three,

25:00 the old fashioned one, don't sexualize a relationship outside of marriage. That is so old fashioned,

25:06 no sex before marriage. If you're not married, I mean, who even teaches that anymore? Always have,

25:12 always will. And I've asked, you know, people in the crowds, this question, I've asked many people,

25:17 dozens of people, this question, Hey, has sex outside of marriage made your life better or has

25:22 it made it more complicated? Has sex outside of marriage made the person you had sex with?

25:27 Did it make their life better or did it make their life more complicated? And honest people say,

25:32 yeah, it's creating some complications. Well, then what do you expect your heavenly father

25:37 to say who loves you and who loves the person whose life you may have set back? What do you think

25:42 their heavenly father is going to say about sexual activity? When oftentimes our sex outside of

25:47 marriage makes you a liar for life, because you're never going to tell the truth about your past,

25:52 because you're too ashamed. What did you expect? So this message is the same for everybody. Sex is

25:58 for married people regarding marriage. And this feels weird, even saying this, just make sure

26:03 everybody knows where we are. We talk about marriage or we talk about and teach about marriage the

26:09 same way Jesus and the apostles did every instruction in the Bible regarding marriage references or

26:14 assumes a husband and a wife, a man or a woman. So biblical marriage, biblical marriage is between

26:20 a man and a woman. We've never shied away from that. We don't change the words in order not to

26:25 offend people. Now here's what may surprise all of us straight people. Gay attenders in our church,

26:31 they aren't shocked by, they aren't shocked that we talked that way. They aren't shocked by that.

26:36 They expect that. They grew up on that. They hoped for that. They prayed for that.

26:41 They pray that God would change them so they can experience that. I sat in small groups of gay men,

26:46 35 and up to 65. Watch them weep because they don't have a family. They couldn't have a family.

26:51 They prayed for that and God didn't answer their prayer and many are convinced that traditional

26:55 marriage is not an option for them. So they commit to living a chaste life. And for many men and women

27:01 who put their faith in Christ, they just decide, okay, I'm just going to buckle down. I'm just

27:06 going to bear down. I'm just going to be by myself and I'm not going to have family. I'm going to be

27:11 sexually pure and many, many, many, many do that for long seasons of life. And for some, it's their

27:18 whole life. But for many, that is not sustainable. So they choose a same sex marriage, not because

27:25 they're convinced it's biblical. They read the Bible the same we do. They choose to marry for the

27:30 same reason many of us do love, companionship and family. And in the end, as was the case for all of

27:37 us, this is the important thing I want you to hear me say, it's their decision. Our decision is to

27:43 decide how we respond to their decision. Our decision as a group of local churches is how

27:48 are we going to respond to their decision? And we decided 28 years ago, we draw circles. We don't

27:55 draw lines. We draw big circles. If someone desires to follow Jesus, regardless of their starting

28:01 point, regardless of their past, regardless of their current circumstances, our message has been

28:07 come and see and come and sit with me. And this is not new. This is who we are. And we've always

28:12 been. And this is why I love our church. And this is why I'm so extraordinarily proud of you.

28:18 We aren't condoning sin. We are restoring relationships. And we are literally saving lives.

28:24 So that's just an excerpt from the sermon that he delivered on October 1. So here's my initial

28:30 reaction before we dig in a little bit further. You can again go listen to it for yourself reaction

28:34 one. Much of this that I just read to you is what you would expect to hear at least content-wise

28:41 from a conservative evangelical pastor, right? I mean, that sounds like pretty standard basic stuff,

28:48 right? But also you should notice how he never said what he believes about marriage and sexual

28:55 sin. It's always we believe this. We teach this. Some more on that in a second. Also notice how he

29:04 always frames, and he's done this for years now, LGBTQ plus actions as, you know, who these people

29:11 are, not the choices that they choose to make, because you could have a predisposition to homosexual

29:17 attraction and not do anything about it. Right? Also, notice how he just slips in that many who he

29:26 would categorize as gay Christians find staying chaste for life for the sake of Christ as he said,

29:32 not sustainable. Okay. So he's giving them an out for sin, essentially. But just imagine if he said

29:42 something like this, some white supremacists can live lives devoid of racist actions,

29:48 but for others, it's just not sustainable. Or some pedophiles can live lives devoid of raping

29:55 children, but for others, it's just not sustainable. Some abortionists can live lives devoid of

30:01 murdering innocent children, but for others, gosh darn it, it's just not sustainable. It's

30:06 where his pragmatism kind of smacks him in his face. And he mentioned several times during that

30:10 audio that Jesus didn't draw lines. He drew circles. So he in North Point Community Church

30:16 aren't going to draw lines, but instead circles. Now, what he's obviously ignoring, I say ignoring

30:23 because he clearly knows these things, but he's purposely not saying them. He's ignoring that

30:28 Jesus literally drew lines all the time, all the time. He drew circles and lines, but he certainly

30:35 drew lines between believers and unbelievers between the religiously self righteous and the

30:40 religiously humble, right? Also, how far do you think Andy is willing to take this, you know,

30:46 circles versus lines concept? I mean, I was I was talking with Ryan from The Forging Table,

30:53 and he kind of brought this up. And then some other people did, is he going to draw lines or

30:56 circles with white supremacists? He's going to draw lines or circles with pedophiles?

31:01 He's going to draw lines or circles with abortionists? Like, where exactly does it stop?

31:06 And if you listen to the entire sermon, you should come away thinking two things. Number one,

31:11 he is a master communicator. Like he is a that's why I was so attracted to what he was doing for so

31:18 long because his communication style is just incredible. But also you can come away thinking,

31:22 God, this guy's a self righteous prick. Like my goodness, like even how he ended that that little,

31:28 you know, snippet, we're literally saving lives. It's like goodness gracious. Can you

31:32 self aggrandize anymore? And again, these comments during his sermon while still being ridiculous,

31:38 they're not as severe as what many were fearing, right? Many who thought Andy was going to go,

31:43 you know, full deconstruction, you know, maybe even led you to believe that the conference wasn't

31:48 as bad as many thought it would be. So with that, let's bring protestia back to this.

31:53 Because the day after they released the audio of Andy's sermon, they released part one of an

32:00 expose on the unconditional conference. Now, they were able to write this expose because the guys

32:06 that run that website drove across the country so that they could actually attend the unconditional

32:11 conference in person. So as of the recording of this podcast, they've released two parts of the

32:16 expose and a couple of other articles about the conference. Now, I'm not going to go through all

32:19 the details. I'm just going to provide highlights. All that stuff will be in the show notes. You can

32:23 check it out for yourself. But part one of the expose, they report that there was a very, very

32:28 strong police presence inside and outside the event. Okay. Now, the funny thing about that is

32:35 because of the content of the this particular event, why in the world were they scared that

32:42 somebody would come in and try to like throw a fire bomb? Like that's what people that like

32:46 what they were saying. Those are not the people that that you should be worried about, you know,

32:51 picketing your event and disrupting your event. These people agree with you. So that was weird.

32:55 Also, they said that you had to do ID verification to get into the event. And I have been to a ton

33:01 of conferences and, you know, sales training things and all these things. I've never once

33:07 had to provide an ID to verify that. Yep, that's my name tag and I please have it now. It's not very

33:13 common, right? So this leads me to believe that they likely had a list of names of people that

33:18 they didn't want there. Okay. But let me read from the article here. Posters on the church walls

33:23 and displayed prominently on projector screens warned against recording any of this conference

33:28 citing Georgia law, which mandates fines and jail time. In conversation with conference

33:32 organizers and volunteers, they stressed that security officers were in plain clothes,

33:37 patrolling the halls and watching the events. In one session, a man was taking notes on his

33:42 laptop. And within minutes, a volunteer told him he needed to put it away because it could record

33:46 video or pick up audio. During our check in, we heard security saying, or security talking,

33:51 sharing their concerns about infiltrators and protesters. This is weird. Because again,

33:57 I've been to a lot of these types of events. I've never not been able to record audio.

34:02 Because I literally have a program on my iPad, where as I'm taking notes, I can record audio,

34:06 I can listen to the audio back and kind of know what notes I was taking at that time. And they

34:10 wanted none of that. None of that. That's odd. Obviously, this is something to be concerned about,

34:16 but we'll talk about it more later. But they also said in this article that they saw obviously

34:22 trans identifying people. So think, you know, dudes and dresses in attendance. And there were

34:26 lots of pride flags on clothing and keychains and journals and water bottles and stuff like that.

34:32 And I'll go back to the article here, which struck us more than anything. However,

34:35 is that throughout the conference, homosexuality as a standard moral and necessary theology,

34:40 theological good was assumed the entire time. Every talk, every breakout session, every conversation

34:47 we struck up with on our tape with our table mates, there was no hint or suggestion that

34:51 homosexuality was a sin that must be repented of, but rather a good that must be accepted.

34:58 The overwhelming message was that children and family members who come out as gay or trans must

35:02 be loved and supported. And that support includes affirming them for who they are in order to

35:07 retain influence and a relationship with them. There was no question of how do we love and

35:12 support our LGBTQ children while we still hold to our convictions. Instead, we were hammered

35:18 with the claim that if we want to be in relationship with them, we need to lay aside those convictions

35:23 and pick up more loving ones, ones that better reflected the heart of Jesus. All the speakers

35:28 referred to their trans children by their trans names and personal pronouns. One session saw a

35:33 panelist with a tear stained face insisting that children need gender affirming care. And another

35:39 said that she knew or suspected her child was transgender at the age of three. One session saw

35:45 a speaker explicitly arguing that homosexuality was not a sin, condemning the clobber verses by

35:50 saying that none of them are taught in a serious exegetical way. Andy Stanley himself noted that

35:55 the expression homosexuality as a sin makes no sense in light of children threatening to kill

36:01 themselves, which is a concept permeated throughout the event and presented as a binary choice.

36:06 If we don't affirm our LGBTQ kids, they will end their lives and we will lose them forever.

36:12 So a lot of the things there guys, you would expect to hear at a left wing political rally.

36:17 Not at a church conference, but let's go to part two of the expose. They were doing a panel discussion

36:23 of parents with trans identifying children. I say trans identifying because there's no such

36:27 thing as trans. Okay, there's x x and there's x y. Those are the only chromosomal, you know,

36:32 possibilities for people. You were either male or you are female. Okay, so let's go to the article

36:37 for part two of this expose. Oh, and by the way, before I say that, this is a panel that was led

36:43 by Debbie Causey. Okay, so she is a gay affirming pastor and director of North Point's Care Network.

36:49 So she's on the board of Ranovus, as well as I've talked about, that's an LGBTQ affirming activist

36:54 group that was formed by North Point pastors and leaders designed to normalize homosexuality

36:59 within the church. Okay, so she insisted that a child's decision during this little panel discussion

37:05 to take hormones is very misunderstood in the world right now. So this is this is Causey talking.

37:10 For many of us and for our kids who take hormones to feel like themselves, this is medically

37:15 necessary. This is life saving. And so many in the culture treat it like it's some flippant thing.

37:20 And also in the article, they talked about how she insisted that people need to come

37:24 to grips with the reality that medical intervention is necessary for a person's well-being and healing

37:30 and that gender affirmation care is a treatment for gender dysphoria. It's shockingly even said

37:34 gender dysphoria because obviously that leads to the fact that, hey, this is a medical issue

37:39 inside the mind, not the body, right? Well, which the body is in the mind is in the body. You get

37:43 it what I'm saying. This is a mental disorder, not a physical one. Also back to the article,

37:47 a major session theme was how the parents could gain influence and build stronger relationships.

37:53 One panelists said that using their child's new personal pronouns help them gain a foothold

37:58 in their life, while another said that it was as simple as really loving them for who they are

38:03 without trying to convert them with therapy or just preaching at them. Okay, so when you use your

38:09 kid's new personal chosen pronouns, you're choosing to lie. That's why I hate pronoun hospitality.

38:15 It's ridiculous. If someone's presenting as the opposite gender, whatever they say their name is

38:20 sure, call them that you can't call them by opposite pronouns, though. That's making you a liar

38:25 causing you to sin. And also this idea of really loving them as they are for who they are,

38:30 if that's true, then we don't have a need for a gospel. God did not need to send his son to die

38:36 in our place so that there could be perpetuation for our sins if God just loved us the way that we

38:40 are. Okay. And this idea that, you know, oh, we don't want to just preach at them. I mean, God,

38:45 forbid you did God forbid you preached at him. And then we get to the main event. This is Andy

38:51 Stanley speaking at the conference. So this again is according to reporting from Portestia.

38:56 He joined Debbie Causey for the second main session at the conference. Okay. So here's a few tidbits

39:01 that Andy gave. This is a quote from Andy Stanley here. Most of the negative feedback I get is from

39:06 traditional evangelical Christians because I don't say things the right way. And they read between

39:12 the lines. And that's okay. So he's taking a shot at what he would call traditional evangelical

39:17 Christians, you know, like people that read the Bible and think it's true like that kind of a thing.

39:21 But then also he speaks unclearly on purpose. So that that's an odd thing that he's doing this

39:28 on purpose. But hey, what can you expect with Andy Stanley? And back to the article here,

39:33 Causey asks him what he thinks about parents who feel like they have to choose between their theology

39:38 and their love for their kids. And Eddie responds, bad theology, he elaborates. And this is a quote,

39:43 if you're theology limits who you can minister to, then you definitely don't have the theology

39:48 of Jesus. I mean, egregious thing for him to say, let's go back to the article to people always

39:54 criticizing gay people and being judgmental towards them. This is a direct quote. One of these days,

39:59 you're going to love an LGBTQ plus person. And in that moment, you're going to change,

40:04 but you don't have to wait until then. Okay. So he's obviously pointing people in a particular

40:08 direction. He's trying to personalize it. And he's trying to, again, take it away from theology,

40:12 and then just hide behind this relationship thing. But then there was a very, very egregious

40:17 submission. And then this is according to the article here. Stanley says that he's had many

40:21 conversations with gay people that were all raised in church, says he's grateful for his

40:26 Southern Baptist heritage. But the whole category, the whole topic is just a forward response.

40:31 Homosexuality is a sin. Stanley says that sort of response, homosexuality is a sin works fine

40:37 until your child comes out to you. And suddenly it's irrelevant. And before long you realize this

40:42 sentence doesn't even make sense. That's a direct quote. He says the sentence,

40:46 homosexuality is a sin doesn't make sense, guys. Okay, back to the article. And this is a quote

40:52 from Andy. And I still get this constantly. Andy, yes or no, we had a television network kick off,

40:57 kick us off the air this year, just yes or no is homosexuality a sin. I'm not going to answer

41:04 that question. We have to have new language that creates the potential for a sane, realistic

41:09 dialogue regarding homosexuality, because until we can change the language, we can't have a

41:14 conversation. And this is when he was talking to parents at the conference who have gay children,

41:18 you had four words, homosexuality is a sin. That's your whole vocabulary. And when your

41:24 child comes out and you have no vocabulary to even have the conversation, he says, you have to throw

41:30 that away. Homosexuality is a sin, because it's irrelevant in that moment. So your kid comes out

41:37 as homosexual, homosexual. And to if you're a parent, guys, it's irrelevant to point that out.

41:42 Back to the article, Stanley condemns evangelical and conservative churches for saying that people

41:47 in the LGBTQ community are going to hell, arguing you should do a word study on a hell and realize

41:54 only Jesus uses it. And he doesn't mention any of this. Now that is horrifically stupid for a pastor

42:02 that apparently went to seminary because he knows better. He knows better. We don't have this new

42:08 revelation 2000 years later, because we did a word study on the word hell to think that, oh,

42:14 no one's really going to end up there. And being sexually immoral is not going to potentially send

42:18 you to hell. He knows that. But again, he's, he's being, you know, evasive back to the article

42:24 here as we wrap. In that context, he reveals, I've never talked about this. But the challenge is,

42:30 I can't make my personal thing, the church thing. He says that there is a built intention and that

42:36 molars article al molar and the conference and some other things that have brought it to a head

42:41 and maybe they're at a tipping point. He says he's no martyr and that he's not trying to be a hero,

42:46 but believes maybe he's here for such a time as this. So man, Andy Stanley loves him some Andy

42:54 Stanley. He's no martyr. He's not trying to be a hero. But gosh darn it, I think I was built for

42:59 a time like this. Now, there's more reporting from protestia concerning some of the other folks,

43:04 and I'll just kind of leave that in the show notes. But then during this time period, I was looking

43:09 at some of the work from Dr. Michael Brown. So Dr. Michael Brown, he's been going back and forth

43:14 personally with Andy Stanley on this very issue since 2015. Okay. So he asked Andy Stanley to

43:21 affirm these two statements and I'll include a, you know, one of Michael Brown's episodes where

43:26 he kind of details this in the show notes. But he wanted Andy Stanley to affirm these two statements.

43:30 Homosexual practice is always sinful in God's sight. And under no circumstances will God bless

43:37 a same sex relationship. Andy Stanley refused to respond to those statements. Again, the statements

43:43 homosexual practice is always sinful in God's sight. And under no circumstances will God bless

43:48 the same sex relationship. So the final response that Andy Stanley gave to Michael Brown when he was

43:54 talking about this was this and this is he said, basically, why don't you concentrate on what God's

43:58 burden you to do and let me concentrate on my calling? And then this, this is a direct quote

44:03 from Andy Stanley to Dr. Michael Brown. There are times when ministry preamps clarity.

44:08 Think about that. Andy Stanley said, there are times when ministry preamps clarity,

44:16 which shows you that Andy Stanley is purposefully communicating in a manipulative, evasive way about

44:24 the subject. Now, Dr. Brian, Dr. Brown rightfully called him to immediate repentance. And you want

44:29 to guess if Andy repented? Now again, I'll post the video so you can check it out for yourself.

44:33 Then I'll molar. He wrote a response to Andy Stanley's response to our molar. Okay, so again,

44:39 Bravo to Albert molar for coming out so boldly against Andy Stanley. Again, I wish more prominent

44:44 pastors and evangelicals would come out and directly call out the heresy within their midst.

44:48 I will provide that article in the show notes as well so you guys can check it out. But I want to

44:51 move on to some overall thoughts here. The first thought here is you don't try to hide audio again,

45:00 try to hide audio and video of the speeches that you're ashamed by. Like imagine me recording an

45:07 episode of this podcast and then hiding it, not wanting anyone to have access to it. You know what,

45:11 I'm just going to perform this podcast in front of a handful of people, but then not release it to

45:15 anybody because they didn't live stream the unconditional conference. They didn't even allow

45:20 that as an option. They didn't allow recording inside the unconditional conference. They didn't

45:24 live stream and he's Stanley's sermon responding to the controversy the Sunday after the conference,

45:29 which begs the question, why not? I mean, it's not like that conference was like behind a pay wall.

45:35 Like that's not a concern because yeah, typically if you can't attend the conference in person,

45:40 you can get a lowered rate to attend the conference virtually. But then, you know, if you attend it

45:45 virtually, you know, maybe guys can, you know, record their screen and then all the content's

45:49 going to be out there for the public to see. So they, I think they did that so that they could

45:53 have plausible deniability about what they actually said. And again, that's what they initially did.

45:58 The funny thing about that is you can actually find the video and the audio of that sermon that

46:03 Andy gave now. But it wasn't there initially. So some people were like, Oh, you know, they were

46:10 going to put it out. They were always going to put it out. But they put it out after the outcry

46:14 from the public wanting to see the message that Andy gave from the pulpit. Again, Protestia gave

46:19 us the audio, but then North Point releases it after several days of people being like,

46:22 why in the world are you hiding this? But they still haven't released into your video or the

46:26 audio from the unconditional conference. Another thought I have on this is if all else fails,

46:32 follow the money, follow the money. So Andy Stanley says that North Point hasn't changed at all

46:40 on their beliefs on this issue, but North Point is also the largest donor to the organization

46:47 embracing the journey, which is a nonprofit that is gay affirming and that they put on the

46:53 unconditional conference. So it's like, you say one thing with your mouth, but then you literally

46:58 fund your supposed enemies. Kind of reminds me of the United States government and what's currently

47:04 happening in Israel with Hamas funded by Iran. Also another thought on this is it is maddening

47:10 to see someone be so cock sure and wrong at the same time. Now, Andy Stanley, he's very sure of

47:18 himself. He's an arrogant guy. All those types of things. Well, I think you could also say

47:22 the same thing about me, if I'm being honest, because I come on here and I give you my fervent

47:27 opinions on a lot of different subject matters. And I don't really vacillate between black and

47:32 white. I don't hang out in the gray area. I'm pretty cock sure as well, right? But I'm open to

47:36 rebuke and correction. I've talked about that repeatedly on the show. If you don't like something

47:41 that I said because of the tone I said it in, I don't really care about your email complaining.

47:45 But if I say something that is factually inaccurate, it's incumbent upon you to point that out to me.

47:49 But here, this guy is being called to repentance. And it's being pointed out that the way he's

47:54 operating is not biblical and not beneficial to the flock. He doesn't care because he's Andy Stanley.

48:00 Another thought is you know what we're not hearing at all from Andy Stanley from his pulpit or any

48:08 of the speakers from this conference. We're not hearing that people that choose to sin

48:13 in a homosexual manner need to repent of their sins.

48:17 Also, we haven't been hearing that people that are struggling with their so-called gender identity

48:26 don't need to be blindly validated, but they need to be lovingly corrected. We don't we

48:33 don't see any of that. No calls to repentance and no calls for people to lovingly push back

48:38 on the sinful ideologies that have permeated the people that they are in relationship with.

48:42 Also, Andy Stanley refuses to be clear on this issue. I've said it over and over.

48:49 I mean, it wouldn't be hard for him to do so because again, he's a master communicator,

48:52 but he's refusing to. Maybe it's because he's a snake, which is obviously what I think he is

48:58 and more on that here in a second. But I also think he doesn't want the gravy train of his ministry

49:01 to end. I mean, the guy's worth eight figures. He's built one of the largest churches to ever

49:07 exist in the United States. He isn't with that gravy chain to run out. He knows that if he aligns

49:12 himself with culture, he'll always have a golden parachute. But this is why I'm calling this episode

49:19 Andy Stanley, the circle drawing snake, because Andy Stanley is a circle drawing snake.

49:25 So you have to ask yourself, what is a snake like? Well, a snake is deceptive.

49:30 Because apparently, Andy Stanley is communicating one thing as the position of his church

49:37 and refusing to communicate what his position is. It's not double speak. It's not splitting the

49:44 baby. He's being purposely deceptive. Also, what is a snake like? A snake is manipulative.

49:51 I've seen videos literally of snakes that are literally manipulating other animals to get them

49:55 within striking distance. He's manipulative because he's communicating one thing from the pulpit,

50:00 which is the same exact pulpit that just days before that was used by practicing homosexuals

50:09 and an array of LGBTQ plus affirming people to communicate the exact opposite message that he

50:16 espoused in front of his congregation. That is direct manipulation of your flock. What is a snake

50:25 like? A snake is also deadly. So he's drawing big old circles around people, right? He's telling

50:34 the world, people that are not being rebuked for their sin, but being affirmed in it. He's drawing

50:41 big circles around them. And they are being denied the call to repentance that comes from faith in

50:48 Christ, which provides eternal life. So you're drawing big circles around people and you're not

50:56 calling them to a true gospel. You're calling them to be affirmed in their sin and they will feel

51:04 no need to rely on Christ because they've been convinced by you that God's just going to love

51:10 them no matter what he loves them the way that they are. If he made you this way, why would he

51:13 want you to turn away from that? Maybe because his glory is more important than your feelings.

51:19 And Andy Stanley's job is to make sure that these people have faith in the gospel and repent from

51:25 their sins, but he's lost the thread. So to Andy Stanley, I see you. I see you for what you really

51:35 are. You are a snake. You are a false teacher. I call you to repentance. I will continue to call

51:44 you out for your heresy until you repent. And if you do not, I pray that God will remove your

51:50 ministry from you permanently, whichever way the he sees fit. All right, guys, before we

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53:23 All right. Big drink of water. Let's hit the first quick hitter here.

53:27 Trevor Bauer having his professional baseball career destroyed by a conniving manipulative

53:33 gold digging whore. Okay. So if you don't know what Trevor Bauer is, Trevor Bauer very recently

53:38 was one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. Okay. So this is a guy that was highly touted

53:43 coming out. I think it was UCLA. And then he had come to the major leagues. I think he was with

53:47 Cleveland and then he was with the Cincinnati Reds whenever he had his Cy Young season,

53:53 like his best season of his career in 2020. So after that season, he signed a nine figure deal

53:59 to go to the Los Angeles Dodgers. Okay. Los Angeles dollars, just, you know,

54:02 there's throwing money all over the place. But then in 2021, in his first year of his deal,

54:08 there was a story that came out of an alleged sexual assault committed by him.

54:13 Okay. Now, immediately MLB did the right thing and they put him on administrative leave. Okay.

54:20 Because administrative leave is not a suspension. Because I think it's okay, while the dust is

54:24 settling in the immediacy to be like, Hey, we need to be cautious here. Hey, we're not saying that

54:28 you actually did this, but we just need to get our ducks in a row here. So I'm okay with that.

54:33 But then he was suspended. Okay. There were no criminal. What's the best way to say this?

54:42 He had been charged with these crimes initially, but then there was no,

54:47 they didn't find him guilty. There was really not a whole lot of evidence to find him guilty,

54:53 but MLB suspended him anyway. Now remember, MLB is not a law enforcement body.

54:58 They're just their own organization. But then as they were doing their internal investigation,

55:02 the suspension for Trevor Bauer kept being extended and extended and extended.

55:08 And then MLB, again, not a law enforcement agency, they concluded their own internal

55:12 investigation into this matter. And they decided to suspend Trevor Bauer for two full seasons.

55:17 Okay. Which considering his age and where he was in his career is almost like a

55:21 dissonance for your career. Because what they said, it violated their domestic violence policy. So

55:27 they do their own investigation. Okay. This will look terrible here in a second. And they say that

55:31 Trevor Bauer violated the domestic violence policy. But there's a young man named Marcelo Zuna,

55:38 who's currently playing in the playoffs with the Atlanta Braves unless they get, you know,

55:41 swept before this podcast comes out. He got a 20 game suspension, 20 game suspension

55:48 for violating MLB's domestic violence policy. So not a two year suspension. So that's, you know,

55:53 like 300 and something games, a 20 game suspension. Now you might think to yourself,

55:58 what is the big difference between what supposedly Trevor Bauer did and what Marcelo Zuna did?

56:02 Trevor Bauer must have done something way, way worse. Well, in this case with Marcelo Zuna, police

56:08 officers actually witnessed Marcelo Zuna attacking his wife. They were there. He was beating her and

56:16 choking her when the police arrived. So perhaps an important note for those of you that don't know,

56:23 Trevor Bauer is a white guy that is expressed support for Trump. And Marcelo Zuna is a person

56:28 of color. Perhaps that's significant in this case, but I'll digress. But then a couple of weeks

56:33 ago, Trevor Bauer released a video of him talking to his phone. And this video was incredible.

56:40 Because he said, Hey, this was the first time in two years, I've been able to talk about this

56:46 issue. I've been under gag order during this legal process. And I'll put that video in the

56:51 show notes because it's very, very important for you to watch it. But he basically went

56:54 through the accusation that this woman made against him and said that she was, she was wrong.

56:59 They withheld discovery from him and his legal team that, you know, the woman tried to put a

57:05 restraining order on him, but it wasn't granted in California and how that's super rare,

57:11 how this girl took video of herself. Like the morning after he was, she had allegedly been

57:16 brutally beaten and battered by Trevor Bauer. And here she is just smiling into the camera,

57:20 no marks on her face, no marks on her neck, any of those types of things she seems to be enjoying

57:24 herself. But also text messages that she sent back and forth with her friends saying that she was

57:29 targeting Trevor Bauer because she knew that he was worth lots and lots and millions and millions

57:33 of dollars. And what she was going to do to kind of get her hooks in this guy. Okay. Now,

57:38 when it comes to this hashtag me to stuff, or, you know, claims of racism or police violence towards

57:45 people of color, all that kind of stuff, as I talked about from the top of the episode,

57:49 the presumption of innocence should be there, but it's currently non-existent.

57:52 So we live in a time where it's guilty until proven innocent, and even then we're just going

57:57 to pretend like they're actually guilty. So that's kind of what's happening with Trevor Bauer right

58:01 now, because this video is not being refuted by this woman or her legal team. They basically

58:07 came to an agreement where he sued her. She countersued him, but they came to an agreement that no money

58:13 would would pass from one party to the other, but that both of them had to drop their suits and

58:18 not have any future suits. Okay. So this is a terrible situation where Trevor Bauer was targeted

58:26 by this woman for destruction. And she almost got away with it. Now, Trevor Bauer, in terms

58:33 of what I think, I think that he should sue Major League Baseball. He should sue the Dodgers.

58:39 He should sue every so-called journalist and news outlet that defamed him without evidence,

58:44 because MLB gave him a two-year suspension based on bogus claims from this stupid skank.

58:49 The Los Angeles Dodgers just went along with it so they could get out of paying him the nine

58:54 figures that he was owed, right? Because MLB contracts are guaranteed. And all these journalists

58:59 that just ran with these things, there has to be an accountability for that. So I think Trevor

59:03 Bauer should really hammer that home. Also, I think that Trevor Bauer should be signed

59:08 by an MLB team in 2024. He's been playing in Japan the last couple of years, but he deserves

59:14 to be signed by some team in 2024. But that's very likely not going to happen.

59:18 You know, I kept thinking about Michael Vick during the situation after he served two years in

59:24 Leavenworth for the dog fighting stuff and the animal cruelty stuff. He was signed. I think,

59:28 well, what was it? The Eagles or the Steelers? It was one of those teams gave him a chance.

59:32 And all these people are like, Oh, that's crazy. He's a terrible awful person. Yeah. He also paid

59:36 his debt to society for the crime that he actually committed. But here's Trevor Bauer that actually

59:40 didn't commit a crime. There's probably not going to be an MLB team that's going to touch him.

59:43 If the Cardinals decide to sign him, yeah, great. That's great. Let's have him on here.

59:47 Also, a lot of people pointed this out, but this was immediately where my head went.

59:52 We need laws in this country for false accusers that would punish them. This woman

59:58 should absolutely receive the penalty that Trevor Bauer would have gotten if he had been found guilty

1:00:04 because she alleged that he brutally, anal, he raped her and choked her, right? Serious accusations,

1:00:13 as if he was a part of Hamas or something like that. So what is, what does that carry? You know,

1:00:19 decades long sentence. She should absolutely get the sentence that he would have gotten.

1:00:24 And before you're like, wait, there's no biblical grounds for that. There actually is in the book

1:00:28 of Esther. So chapters five and six. So this is Heyman. He actually devised this diabolical scheme

1:00:33 to get Mordecai hanged by making false accusations. But his false accusations were sniffed out.

1:00:38 Heyman was actually a hung interesting, interestingly, from the very gallows that he built in order

1:00:44 to hang Mordecai unjustly. So a lot to this story, but I'm going to go ahead and go to my big take

1:00:48 ways here. There's two of them. Number one, fellas listening to this. Please stop having sex with

1:00:55 [inaudible]. It may seem like a rough way to say it, but there's not another way that you could categorize,

1:01:01 categorize this woman, maybe a diabolical [inaudible]. How about that? Because here's the thing,

1:01:06 if a girl that you meet on, you know, some dating app or in a bar somewhere or a club,

1:01:12 if a girl tells you right after she meets you, that she wants you to bang her, hit her,

1:01:17 choke her, and put it in her butt. That's probably a human being that you need to make sure that

1:01:24 you never see nor talk to ever again. Some of you guys are into that kind of stuff,

1:01:29 but maybe this should give you a hint that there's some ulterior motives here. So stop doing that,

1:01:34 guys, which leads directly to my second big takeaway. Trevor Bauer is partially perhaps mostly

1:01:42 responsible for the situation. He chose to engage in a sexual relationship with this obvious crazy

1:01:51 person because maybe he's like, Oh, this girl's a freak and I want to get my rocks off. And this

1:01:57 is going to be a great situation. No big deal. This is on Trevor Bauer because if Trevor Bauer is

1:02:03 living a chase life, or if he was married to one woman and only having sex with that woman,

1:02:09 he's not in the situation at all. The moment you decide to violate God's design for sex and marriage,

1:02:16 like you should expect something like this to befall you. So there are men in this audience that

1:02:23 I know they're professional athletes or they're big time business people or all that. These women

1:02:26 are prowling around looking for men to devour. Why would you give them that idea? Or why would you

1:02:33 give them that opportunity rather? So I guess God's design for marriage has some merits now,

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1:03:17 featuring a non binary character. So this is according to LGBTQ nation. A spin off of the mega popular

1:03:23 computer animated kid series Paw Patrol has introduced the franchise's first non binary

1:03:28 character. While the original Nickelodeon series centers on a team of search and rescue dogs,

1:03:33 Rubble and crew focuses on English Bulldog pup Rubble voiced now in the series by Luxe

1:03:38 and hand spiker who takes on a variety of construction projects. In a recent episode Rubble and his

1:03:43 crew meet River, a skateboarding photography obsessed kid who tasks them with building an

1:03:48 observatory so they can photograph a shooting star. Excuse me. As pink news notes, the episode,

1:03:55 the crew builds an observatory never explicitly addresses River's gender identity or their pronouns.

1:04:01 Excuse me. However, following its August 21st US premiere, the episode's writer Lynn's Amr

1:04:08 made it clear that River is the Paw Patrol universe's first ever non binary character.

1:04:15 An author, screenwriter, activist and performer, Amr is a creator and co-founder of queer kid stuff,

1:04:21 a website that features kid friendly video series discussing LGBTQ plus topics as well as

1:04:26 resources for parents and educators. In a September 2nd Instagram post, Amr revealed that Rubble

1:04:32 and crew's producers brought them on to consult on the Paw Patrol franchise's first non binary

1:04:37 character and write the episode in which they were introduced. Talk about a bucket list item,

1:04:42 Amr wrote, "I wanted to create a non binary character that was as aspirational and incredibly

1:04:48 cool someone for the pups and the kids at home to look up to," they continued. So here's the thing

1:04:53 on a story like this, guys. They're just not hiding the ball anymore. They're not just coming for

1:05:00 your kid's attention anymore by creating really visually stimulating content. They're coming

1:05:04 for their moral codes. That's why they're doing this. They're subtly putting these messages in

1:05:11 and over time, as we're seeing now, they're losing all subtlety. So it's always, "Oh, we have two gay

1:05:17 dinosaurs that are looking after an egg. Oh, we have this non binary character. Oh, in Peppa the

1:05:22 pig, two of the moms from the house that the stupid pig's going over to, it's got two moms,

1:05:27 right? No dad." That kind of thing. So, and with something like this, it just kind of reminds me,

1:05:33 where are all the I want to be known for what I'm for, not what I'm against people? Where are they

1:05:37 at on this one? They're always so quiet. They're really, really loud when anyone that's a conservative

1:05:44 evangelical starts to say, "Yeah, these things are bad. We shouldn't do this. Oh, you shouldn't be

1:05:48 talking like this. You're being unnecessarily divisive." But on something like this, mom,

1:05:53 they got nothing to say. So my big takeaway on this, if you continue to support Paw Patrol,

1:06:00 so I'm talking directly to the dads here with little ones, if you continue to support the

1:06:05 Paw Patrol universe and/or rubble and crew by allowing your children to watch these shows and

1:06:11 buy the merch, you deserve the confusion from your children that will be a downstream consequence

1:06:18 of your lazy parenting. And listen, I get it. You want to be able to just, you know,

1:06:24 get a few things done, pay a few bills, take care of a few things in the garage so you just

1:06:28 set your kid down in front of the television. I get it. But you're putting them in front of

1:06:34 messages that are going to be contrary to the worldview that you're purporting and the environment

1:06:39 that you're wanting to raise them in. Why are you doing that? You should vet these shows before you

1:06:44 let your kids watch them, all of them. It's not going to take you that long. Like, and again,

1:06:49 you're putting them in front of two-year-olds, three-year-olds, you're putting them in front of

1:06:52 this content. It is a big deal. Some of you think, "Oh, well, you know, the kid was just wearing, you know,

1:06:58 the trans flag colored socks and, you know, he's non-binary. Kids don't even know what that means.

1:07:03 They're being molded by the culture. And if you let them consume this content, you're allowing it.

1:07:09 I don't feel bad for you if your kid comes out confused. This is your fault."

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1:07:44 absolutely egregious tweet about thoughts and prayers. So this was posted on the @POTUS

1:07:49 Twitter account. I'm not calling it X. The @POTUS Twitter account. This was at 7 a.m. on September

1:07:54 the 22nd of this year. Because thoughts and prayers are not enough, @VP and I just created the first

1:08:01 White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. So he could have said the second part. And I just

1:08:08 created the first White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. Not that that's going to do

1:08:13 anything because there's nothing the federal government could actually do to change people's

1:08:17 hearts and their desire to kill other people. But it's obviously that first part because thoughts

1:08:22 and prayers are not enough. The Biden administration, aside from being just awful at everything,

1:08:29 they are trying to tell you, look, we're completely disregarding thoughts and prayers.

1:08:35 We don't need them. We don't want them. Why? Because we're the federal government.

1:08:41 We have all your tax dollars and we have the military. So we can do anything. Put your trust in us.

1:08:48 When I saw this, I thought it was a fake tweet, but it was obviously a real tweet. It was a real

1:08:56 post from President Biden. This is an atheistic. I wanted to say organization, which, you know,

1:09:02 the Biden crime family is an organization, but this is an atheistic administration.

1:09:06 They are belittling people that would pray because as I talked about, even in Sunday

1:09:12 school here recently, sometimes all you have is prayer. Like with my voice, I was like,

1:09:17 well, I saw the doctors and the surgeons and all that, but I was just kind of left after the rehab

1:09:21 and after all that different stuff to just pray. God, can you help me? The deed you want my voice

1:09:26 to be fixed? If so, let's get after it. So the big takeaway here on this one is actually just a

1:09:31 scripture Galatians six, seven do not be deceived. God is not mocked for for whatever one sows,

1:09:38 they will also reap. They're mocking God. They're mocking Christians. They're mocking prayer.

1:09:44 I don't think it's going to work out for them in the end. All right. Next quick hitter here,

1:09:47 RFK Jr, indicating that he plans to launch an independent bid for the 2024 presidential election.

1:09:53 So we were expecting maybe Monday or Tuesday of this week to actually get an official announcement.

1:09:59 By the time this episode comes out, there might be an official announcement, but obviously with

1:10:02 the stuff going on in Israel, everyone's kind of taking a back seat. But this is according to

1:10:06 Politico, a super PAC supporting Robert F Kennedy Jr. has begun polling his support as an independent.

1:10:12 One of the strongest indications to date that the long shot Democrat is set to announce a party

1:10:17 affiliation switch. The poll conducted by the firm John Zogby strategies and commissioned by the

1:10:22 American values 2024 PAC comes amid growing speculation fueled by Kennedy himself that he

1:10:28 will leave the Democratic Party in the upcoming weeks. But what the PAC found is it's in its survey,

1:10:33 maybe as notable as the tea leaves around a switch itself. Kennedy as an independent would pull more

1:10:39 support away from Republican Donald Trump than Democrat Joe Biden, according to the findings.

1:10:44 So right to the big takeaway on this one, of course, this helps Joe Biden more than it does

1:10:50 Trump. Are you kidding? Of course it does. Those findings are not the least bit surprising because

1:10:55 people are like, well, wait a minute, like this is, you know, RFK Jr. He's he's going directly

1:11:00 against Joe Biden because he's running as a Democrat, right? But you have to ask yourself,

1:11:04 who is he going to pull support from? Go back to Ross Perot. This guy was a guy that had

1:11:08 conservative leanings. And so when George H. W. Bush was was representing the Republican Party,

1:11:15 the 20% or so that he pulled off a off of the two candidates mainly came from George H. W. Bush's

1:11:21 support, not Bill Clinton's support. That's why Bill Clinton was president. That's why the

1:11:24 Clintons are even a thing right now because of Ross Perot. And this is that exact setup. You

1:11:30 have to ask yourself, do you know any Biden supporter that is going to peel off and vote for RFK

1:11:36 if he's an independent? Because I don't know that that person actually exists.

1:11:40 All the people that I know that like RFK Jr, they're kind of Trumpy. They're conservative

1:11:48 folks. These are people that maybe don't like Trump that much. But then they could vote for

1:11:53 this RFK guy because gosh darn it, he sure made sense on the Joe Rogan experience.

1:11:56 So if he does actually run as a third party, that super duper helps Trump another reason

1:12:02 why electing Trump or as the nominee for the Republican Party is not a great idea.

1:12:07 He's got so many things stacked against him. This would be another one. I've heard about Cornell

1:12:11 West running like no one's going to vote for Cornell West. I've heard about this, you know,

1:12:15 what, no, no borders policy. I can't remember the name. It's like the, the no, I can't remember

1:12:19 what it is. But people are talking about Joe Manchin running and different things like that.

1:12:23 That's not going to hurt Joe Biden. Okay. Most of these things hurt Trump. Another reason why

1:12:27 making him the nominee is foolish if you actually want Biden out of the White House.

1:12:32 Okay. Next quick hitter here, California governor Gavin Newsom's surprising veto of AB 957.

1:12:37 So if you remember back on episode 499 of this podcast, I talked about California's AB 957,

1:12:43 which would require judges to take into account whether a parent affirms a child's gender identity

1:12:48 or gender expression when determining custody. Right now. At that time, it had passed the

1:12:54 California State House and Senate and was heading to Governor Newsom's desk. Everyone on the planet,

1:12:59 yours truly included, thought that he would sign it immediately. The moment it is desk

1:13:02 because he's one of the most left leaning child general mutilating, supporting politicians and

1:13:07 American public life. But I was wrong. So this is according to Gavin Newsom himself in a letter

1:13:12 that he released from his official office to the members of the California State Assembly.

1:13:17 I am returning assembly bill 957 without my signature. This legislation would require a court

1:13:22 when determining the best interests of a child in a custody, a child custody or visitation proceeding

1:13:27 to consider among other comprehensive factors, a parent's affirmation of the child's gender

1:13:32 identity or gender expression. I appreciate the passion and values that led the author to introduce

1:13:37 this bill. I share a deep commitment to advancing the rights of transgender Californians, an effort

1:13:42 that has guided my decisions through many decades in public office. That said, I urge caution when

1:13:47 the executive and legislative branches of state government attempt to dictate in prescriptive terms

1:13:52 that single out one characteristic legal standards for the judicial branch to apply. Other minded

1:13:58 elected officials in California and other states could very well use the strategy to diminish the

1:14:02 civil rights of vulnerable communities. Moreover, a court under existing law is required to consider

1:14:08 a child's health and safety and welfare when determining the best interests of a child in

1:14:12 these proceedings, including the parents affirmation of the child's gender identity. For these reasons,

1:14:17 I cannot sign this bill sincerely. Gavin Newsom. Okay. So a couple of things real quick on that

1:14:24 message. He talked about the child's gender identity and gender expression. Obviously,

1:14:27 that's just left wing language. There's no such thing as a gender identity or gender expression.

1:14:32 You are just your gender. You are your sex. But then he talks about how he appreciates the passion

1:14:36 and the values. So he's signaling that he agrees with the contents of the law. So why not just

1:14:42 approve it? But he also said, I, I agree with the steep commitment to advancing the rights of transgender

1:14:47 Californians. Obviously, he means that. But then this line was so ridiculous. I urge caution when

1:14:54 the executive and legislative branches of state government attempt to indicate in prescriptive

1:14:58 terms that single out one characteristic legal standards for judicial branch to apply.

1:15:03 When has Gavin Newsom been concerned about judicial overreach?

1:15:10 As it pertains to the executive and legislative branch, he's literally weaponizing the courts of

1:15:16 California to get his executive and legislative things through. But what exactly is he talking

1:15:22 about? Well, he's a liar. So that's, that's part of it. But then he also talks about the, you know,

1:15:26 the health safety and welfare of the child as if cutting off the healthy breast tissue or the

1:15:31 penis of a little child is actually going to help them. But my big takeaway on this

1:15:36 is dude is running for president. He is absolutely running for president. He's sitting around

1:15:42 waiting on Joe Biden to die. Maybe even he'll, he'll run anyway. The reason that he did not sign

1:15:49 this so that it would go into law in California is because he has to do something to seem sort

1:15:54 of centrist. Because if he's going to run for president, he has to seem sort of centrist because

1:15:59 he knows the majority of parents across the United States are going to look at this and go,

1:16:02 what? Well, you're going to do what now? You're going to allow some diabolically evil woman to

1:16:08 convince her little boy that he's a little girl just so she can stick it to the father of the child

1:16:13 during the court proceedings. And that there's, people don't really have a stomach for that,

1:16:17 at least not right now. So I certainly think he's running for president. The Democrats know

1:16:21 they're in trouble. Joe Biden is an absolutely horrific, terrible president. Kamala Harris would

1:16:26 somehow be worse. Again, I don't think that Joe Biden loses to Donald Trump. I think he loses

1:16:31 to just about every other Republican candidate. But he is just standing by waiting for his shot.

1:16:36 All right. Last quick hitter of the day, I know it's a long one today, but here we go.

1:16:40 Famous tattoo artist Kat Von D renouncing witchcraft, accepting Christ. So this is according to today.

1:16:46 Kat Von D is beginning a new chapter of her life. On October the third, the famed tattoo artist

1:16:51 in LA Inc star posted a video of her getting baptized on Instagram more than a year after she

1:16:56 announced that she was giving up witchcraft. The clip, which is captioned only with a sign of

1:17:00 a cross captures some of the people at the baptism while angelic music plays before the camera settles

1:17:06 in on her. Catherine Von Dragonberg, Dragonberg, I hope, upon your profession of faith in the

1:17:11 Lord Jesus Christ and in obedience to his divine command, I baptize you my sister in the name of

1:17:16 the father and the son and the Holy Spirit. The pastor says before dunking her in the baptismal

1:17:20 pool. She then hugs the pastor while those in attendance applaud. In July of 2022, Von D shared

1:17:26 a photo of tarot cards and several books on witchcraft while revealing she was giving up her

1:17:32 interest in macabre subject matters. So in addition to this, I know that Kat Von D left California,

1:17:39 I think she was living in Los Angeles. And a couple of years ago, she moved to Indiana,

1:17:43 small town, Indiana. And so it seemed like she was detoxing from the world that she was steeped in,

1:17:50 because yeah, I have a lot of tattoos, but people that are like in the tattoo community,

1:17:54 this can be a very, very dark place, right? They don't just kind of look crazy. Some of these

1:17:58 people believe really, really crazy things. And so she was dabbling in witchcraft and the occult,

1:18:04 the satanic types of things. But then as soon as she got out of this hub of just Sodom and Gomorrah

1:18:12 ask actions of Los Angeles, boost a small town in Indiana, she finds Christ or Christ finds her

1:18:19 whatever your preferred languages. But my big takeaway here on this one is you are never too

1:18:26 depraved for the blood of Christ. For all intents and purposes, most people that have ever been

1:18:33 around Kat Von D found her to be a very charming young lady. Like, you know, we all have our faults,

1:18:39 but she wasn't this like horrible, terrible person. But she certainly made some very sinful

1:18:44 decisions and believe some very satanic ideologies in her life. And you might think to yourself,

1:18:48 well, God can't save her. Some of you think that tattoos in and of themself are sinful.

1:18:52 And God help you. Let me let me help you read the Bible real quick. But the thing that is so

1:18:58 interesting is people will look at that video and see the piercings and the tattoos and think,

1:19:03 Oh, man, she can't be saved. I mean, this young lady, I think she's in her late 30s, early 40s.

1:19:08 She's a mother now. And Christ just snatched her up. And so to anyone in my audience today,

1:19:15 that's sinking into themselves, man, God can't save me. I've done too many bad things. I've hurt

1:19:20 way too many people. I've destroyed my body. Kat Von D should be inspiration to you to actually

1:19:26 look at the gospels and see that when Jesus died, determine whether or not that somehow

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