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- So last week, last Thursday,
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did an episode, just kind of low key.
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Some people think I woke up and chose violence
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and maybe I did last week.
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But last week we talked about Andy Stanley being a hair tick
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because he is in our last week's episode.
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We didn't do any quick hitters
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'cause I wanted that episode to stand alone.
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This episode will stand alone as well.
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But on the Andy Stanley episode,
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I got some interesting responses from the audience.
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So I did want to go over a couple of things.
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So this may take me a little bit.
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It'll make sense here in a little bit
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before we get to the main, I guess, subject of today.
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But a couple of questions came up
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that I got from audience members that I wanted to address.
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One question was this.
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You encouraged anyone that currently attends
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any of Andy Stanley's churches or network churches
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to leave and find another church.
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Shouldn't you encourage those people to stay there
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and fight for what's right?
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So I understand where this question is coming from.
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And I agree with the sentiments of the question,
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but your responsibility,
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and this is exactly what I told to the person
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that asked me this question.
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Your responsibility is primarily to your family, okay?
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To supporting your wife and your children.
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That is what your primary responsibility is and should be.
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Not the health of North Point Community Church
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or any of the associated churches.
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That is not your job, okay?
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Your job is to make sure that you are spiritually
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leading your family in a very good direction,
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that you're performing headship over that entire process, okay?
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So if Andy Stanley's churches go down in number,
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which I don't assume that they will,
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that's not really a problem
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that you should necessarily be worried about.
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But also the thing is, is,
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let's say you go to one of the associated churches.
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So not North Point where Andy Stanley actually preaches live,
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but you go to one of the other ones.
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You go to Buckhead Church or something like that.
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Do you honestly think that you,
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just as a singular member,
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are gonna be able to change the entire Andy Stanley apparatus
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by complaining?
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Like, and you might, like you and your wife
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and maybe your home group or I don't know what they do
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over there, maybe they have Sunday school classes
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or something like that.
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But you all get together and there's a few dozen of you
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and you're gonna make it uncomfortable for Andy Stanley
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and the staff and all those different things.
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Do you honestly think that you're going to change
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Andy Stanley and his church?
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Is that what you think is going to happen?
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'Cause I'm gonna tell you something
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that's way more likely to happen,
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is that you're gonna get pulled down with his church.
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That's what's most likely to happen
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because again, they're very pragmatic.
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And they're very attractive and the things that they say.
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So the odds are is that the siren song
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that they're singing is going to influence you even more.
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So there's more to say there, but I'll leave it there.
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The other question that I got is,
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so how should people that work on staff at churches
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treat gay people, right?
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I had a staff member at a church say like,
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how should we treat people that come in
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and say that they're gay or whatever?
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Like, aren't all sins the same?
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So I would say to you, like treat them like any other sinner,
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any other sinner in your church.
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So don't ignore their sin, call out their sin,
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point them towards repentance.
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And if their sin persists and it's detrimental to the body,
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expel them from the body.
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I mean, we see this in the Pauline letters,
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we see this in Acts, like this is pretty standard.
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But in terms of sins all being the same,
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again, I'll point you back to 1 Corinthians 6, 18
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that I talked about last week,
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free from sexual immorality,
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every other sin a person commits is outside the body,
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but the sexually immoral person
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sins against his own body.
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There's a description there that that sin
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is wholly different than other sins.
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Now, when Christ or when God is looking upon us,
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he sees sinner, unless we have the blood of Christ
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covering us, right?
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Sinner, right, categorically,
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you're either binary, yes, sinner or no, you know, covered,
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you know, you're taking care of.
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But to pretend that, you know, telling a white lie
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and, you know, performing a homosexual act
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is the same thing.
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Like, again, that's like a church camp idea
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that, oh, you know, all sins are the same.
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And, you know, murderers are just the same
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as people that cheat on their taxes.
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No, it is a fundamentally different thing.
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And if you kind of soft pedal homosexuals
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that are in your congregations,
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that becomes a major, major problem.
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And all this kind of coalesce this week,
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because, you know, here I am, I've got this clip
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of this preacher, you know, doing these things,
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Andy Stanley, and then I go back and look at his past.
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And, you know, again, go back to listen to episode 423
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from last week where I kind of unpack that.
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But then I came across a clip this week
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from Pastor J.D. Greer, okay?
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So to be honest, I didn't know, I know the name.
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Like, I know he's kind of prominent in the Christian sphere.
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Like, he's the lead pastor of the Summit Church,
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which is a multi-site church in North Carolina, I believe.
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And he's formerly the president
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of the Southern Baptist Convention, the SBC,
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which is the largest denomination in America.
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Then he was president from 2018 to 2021.
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But this clip came across.
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And again, I've never seen him speak.
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I never watched, you know, an entire sermon of his.
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I just, you know, tangentially knew about his name.
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But this clip came out and there are some concerns
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that I have about this clip.
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So it's about a minute here.
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So let's go to the clip.
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- You say, you must say, I love you more than I love being right.
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And so even if you don't see things my way,
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I'm gonna keep bringing you close
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and I'm gonna remain committed to you.
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This is where the Christian community has so badly failed
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to live out Jesus' ministry.
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The church ought to be the safest place on the planet
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for a teenager with same-sex attraction to reveal that
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or to come out.
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Because sinners are always safe exposing their hearts
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to Jesus.
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It does not mean that we consent or agree.
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It just means we never turn away and we never stop loving
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and we never stop drawing them close.
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And we church, we must be the biggest advocates against,
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biggest advocates against discrimination
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and abuse against the gay community.
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And where we have not church, we must repent.
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And if some of you have been the victims of that abuse,
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tragically often it was done in the name of Jesus,
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that was not Jesus, that was Satan dressed up
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and Jesus is close, because that is not what Jesus was.
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- So to be clear from the jump here,
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this clip alone, again, just under 60 seconds,
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it's not enough to write off J.D. Greer entirely, right?
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Because I saw some people doing that online.
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It's like, I certainly don't think it's enough
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to call him a heretic.
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I don't think he's in the same category as Andy Stanley.
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In all honesty, I actually also tried and tried
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to find this entire sermon from where this clip
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was taken and I spent a good amount of time on it.
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I just couldn't find it because I wanted to watch
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that clip in the context of the entire sermon.
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So I couldn't.
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So you can tinge the things that I'm about to say
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through that lens that yes, I'm just basically evaluating
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this one clip, but there are some concerns
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and I have some questions.
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So if I were speaking with Greer,
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I would ask him several questions.
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One would be this, you, so this was a, you know,
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from this little clip here.
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He said, you must say, I love you more
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than I love being right.
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So what I would ask him is, is Rightness over sin
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included or excluded from that statement?
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You know, you must say, I love you more
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than I love being right.
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But what if you're right about the person's sin?
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Do you need to love them more than pointing out
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the truthfulness of their sinful behavior
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and their sinful heart?
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Is Rightness over sin included or excluded
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from that statement?
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Also, you know, from a quote from the clip there,
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the church ought to be the safest place on the earth
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for a teenager with same sex attraction
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to reveal that or to come out.
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So we kind of stuck that on the end there to reveal that
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or to come out.
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So what I would ask him is, do you believe that identity
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is found in Christ or in sexual preference?
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Because just saying the words or to come out
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in modern parlance, we take that to mean
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someone is announcing to the world,
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to their family and to the rest of the world,
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that they are gay, that they are trans,
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that they are non-binary, pansexual, whatever.
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That's the language that we use.
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And so, yes, you should be safe enough inside of a church
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to reveal that you have same sex attraction.
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But to come out, that's a wholly different thing.
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Because if the church goes along with that,
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they are saying, yes, your identity is as a homosexual person.
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Not that your identity is found in Christ
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and that you're a new creation,
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but that your identity is found in your sexual preference,
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which again, is a choice.
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There's also a quote here, he says,
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sinners are always safe exposing their hearts to Jesus.
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What I would ask Greer is, what do you mean by safe?
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And was their sin safe?
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Because Jesus had this really pesky habit
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of pointing out people's sins.
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He also had this really pesky habit
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of forgiving them for their sins.
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But he didn't just skip over the pointing out their sins
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and go straight to the forgiveness.
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He didn't do that.
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Because if you don't know that your behavior is sinful,
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then what do you need to turn away from?
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Because again, repenting means turning
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like 180 degrees, go in the opposite direction.
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So if you're not, if you don't understand your level
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of depravity, then what exactly are we talking about here?
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Another quote was, we church must be the biggest advocates
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against discrimination and abuse against the gay community.
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I would ask Greer, what do you mean by discrimination
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and what do you mean by abuse?
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And I guess this leads to another question I would ask him
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is why do you feel the need to apologize to gay people
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for generic and undefined things
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like discrimination or abuse?
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Is it possible that you're apologizing to people
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with same sex attraction that merely had their sin
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and depravity pointed out by a person
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that was lovingly directing them towards Christ?
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Because let's say that you're in a homosexual relationship
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and you're acting out homosexuality.
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Okay, so you don't just have same sex attraction,
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but you're actually in a relationship
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where you're acting out and doing things sexually
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with somebody of the same sex, okay?
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And somebody lovingly points out to you
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that that is sinful and that you should repent
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and not do that anymore.
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In our modern times, that would be considered discrimination.
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That would be considered abuse.
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So J.D. Greer, I would like to know what you mean
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by discrimination and abuse, because obviously
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if people are being discriminated and abused
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in an unjust way, I'll stand with you on that.
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But pointing out someone's sin, yeah, I can't really cosign that.
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So there's several reasons why a clip like that
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is concerning even in context, okay?
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So the first thing is, is he's reading
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from what seems to be a notebook,
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but the notebook, I guess, is supposed to look like a Bible,
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which is just kind of strange to me.
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And I mean, again, I've never really watched any of his sermon.
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So is that like his thing?
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Like what's with the notebook?
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'Cause he was literally like reading his sermon to me.
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I mean, I think that church has like 12 different campuses.
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So you think they'd have enough money to like
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buy the guy a podium or an iPad to make it not so obvious
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he's just sitting there reading and serving to us, but whatever.
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But the clip seems to be downplaying
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the sin of homosexuality.
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Again, I'm using this one clip without the context
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'cause I couldn't find the context.
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This clip seems to be downplaying homosexuality,
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the sin of homosexuality.
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This is kind of a new modern thing.
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The clip also sounds oddly like many of the other,
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you know, homosexuality is just a sin
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like every other sin clips that we've seen from pastors recently.
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I, you know, I addressed that just a few minutes ago.
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But he was also once quoted as saying that the Bible,
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and this is a direct quote, quote,
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appears more to whisper on sexual sin.
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Unquote, that the Bible appears to whisper on sexual sin.
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I think there's a lot of people that were in Sodom and Gomorrah
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that would maybe quibble with that,
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would maybe disagree with the fact
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that the Bible only whispers about that.
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Now, I did hear somewhere that he said that he regrets
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using those words and would not use those words today,
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which, you know, I couldn't find out if that was true or not,
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but let's just assume that it is true that he does regret it.
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Does he still mean it though?
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Because I've regretted a lot of things that I've said
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that I still mean that I still believe in,
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but I regret saying them because maybe it's wrong timing
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or wrong place or something like that.
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But I would be curious, like, do you still mean that
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that the Bible appears to just whisper about sexual sin?
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And again, that clip by itself is concerning,
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but most of the things in it, you know, to be honest,
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could be clarified or, you know, just explained away.
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So that clip in a vacuum is just really not that big of a deal.
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The problem is that clip isn't the only concerning thing
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that J.D. Greer has said.
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I'll try to go quickly through this
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because we got a lot of ground to cover in our, you know,
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main topic today, but he used to be the president
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of the Southern Baptist Convention, like I mentioned,
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during his annual address that he delivered in 2020,
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as president, he called for all SBC members
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to declare the slogan, "Black Lives Matter."
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And in that same address, he denounced the use
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of the slogan, "All Lives Matter."
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Okay?
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Now in that address, he said, "I do not align myself
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with the Black Lives Matter organization."
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But he wants all SBC members to shout their name and slogan?
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I mean, how blind can you be?
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Like, no, no, no, don't say "All Lives Matter"
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'cause that's triggering, but yeah,
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definitely say "Black Lives Matter."
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So he's a guy that said that.
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And then in 2021, during his speech that he gave
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to the SBC Executive Committee, he addressed the fact
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that conservative SBC members were publicly criticizing him
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and the SBC leadership for, you know,
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their left word drift on social issues,
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which I think clearly they were doing.
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And how did he respond?
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By comparing those folks to terrorists.
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Okay, so here's a direct quote from that speech
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he gave to the SBC Executive Committee.
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"Every moment that you or me or Dr. Floyd
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engages in a silly argument or spends time debunking
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on truth is a moment I'm not focused on the Great Commission.
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I think we need an attitude like President George W. Bush
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called for in 2001.
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We make no distinction between those committing terrorism
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and those who harbor terrorists."
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What in the, so you get criticized by conservatives
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and then you're like, yeah, they're just like terrorists.
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Really?
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And in that same speech, he said this, quote,
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"We should mourn when closet racists
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and neo-Confederates feel more at home in our churches
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than do many of our people of color."
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So there's a grandiose sweeping statement
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that there are closet racists and neo-Confederates
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in the SBC churches and that people of color
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can't feel comfortable.
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Like, that's, I mean, what in the world?
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Like, what a crazy, crazy thing to say out loud,
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much less think.
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And then also in the same speech, he said this, quote,
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"I received the emails and phone calls from people
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in our Southern Baptist churches who do fit that description.
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The reality is if we in the SBC had shown as much sorrow
18:31
for the painful legacy that racism and discrimination
18:34
has left in our country as we have passion
18:36
to decry critical race theory,
18:38
we probably wouldn't be in this mess."
18:41
Which is just an astonishingly stupid thing to say.
18:45
That all of the sudden, if you're a Southern Baptist church
18:49
that you are not concerned about racism
18:52
and you're not concerned about the sin of partiality,
18:55
but, oh, we're really, you know, concerned about CRT
18:59
and to do this false equivalency
19:01
that we didn't fight against racism.
19:02
So now we're fighting against CRT.
19:04
It's like just an astonishingly dumb thing for him to say.
19:08
But also, he literally describes the false accusations
19:11
made against him from the conservative members as demonic.
19:16
And this reminded me of what Matt Chandler did
19:17
a couple of years ago when he was, you know,
19:19
talking about race.
19:20
And he basically said, if you think he's Marxist
19:22
and you think the stuff that we're doing
19:24
is critical race theory and blah, blah and all that,
19:26
well, that's not coming from a holy place,
19:28
that's coming from Satan.
19:30
And I was like, really?
19:31
So someone criticizes you for buying a Marxist worldview,
19:35
hook line and sinker and then sneaking it into your church.
19:38
We're demonic.
19:40
Okay, that's rich.
19:42
But, and again, I promise I'm gonna go as fast as I can.
19:44
The most egregious thing that we know that he did
19:47
as SBC president, this is JD Greer,
19:49
was the crap that he pulled at the SBC convention in 2019.
19:53
So if you wanna deeper dive into all of this,
19:54
go back to the interview I did with Tom Askel back in December.
19:57
He gives some background, some details on this,
19:59
but essentially at the every SBC convention,
20:02
there are resolutions that are voted on in past.
20:04
My understanding is that no resolution comes to a vote
20:07
unless the committee on resolutions decides
20:09
that a resolution can be voted on.
20:11
Okay, so back in 2019 at the SBC convention,
20:14
the chair of the committee on resolutions,
20:16
a guy named Dr. Curtis Woods of Southern Baptist Theological
20:18
Seminary, he oversaw the passage of eight resolutions
20:22
in about 45 minutes, okay?
20:24
Each of those eight resolutions were voted on
20:27
and debated individually, okay?
20:29
But then, oddly, JD Greer, again,
20:33
the president of the SBC at the time
20:34
made a very, very weird move.
20:37
He called for a motion to pass resolutions nine
20:41
through 13 as a package.
20:44
So the first eight were considered on their own individually,
20:47
but then let's do nine through 13 as a package.
20:50
And 'cause again, all those other ones were debated
20:52
and voted on individually.
20:53
So why the sudden need to rush to approve
20:57
five resolutions simultaneously?
20:59
Well, it all hinged on resolution nine.
21:02
The name of that resolution was on critical race theory
21:05
and intersectionality, okay?
21:07
So that resolution, resolution nine,
21:10
would approve the SBC wide use of CRT
21:14
and intersectionality as, quote, tools of analysis, okay?
21:18
Tools of analysis.
21:21
So there was a bit of a curve level on the floor
21:23
to make sure that they debated resolution nine.
21:26
My understanding is that they did so,
21:28
but in an unbelievably brief and insufficient way.
21:31
And Tom Askel offered an amendment to resolution nine
21:34
that stayed to that CRT and intersectionality
21:36
were incompatible with Christianity,
21:37
but the amendment was denied
21:38
and the resolution actually ended up passing.
21:40
When the chair of that committee,
21:42
Dr. Curtis Woods, rejected the amendment.
21:45
He said this, quote, critical race theory
21:47
and intersectionality are simply analytical tools.
21:51
They are to be used as a tool, not a worldview,
21:54
but obviously with anybody with a functioning brain
21:57
and more than two brain cells,
21:59
knows that this is a farce.
22:01
Tom Askel was and continues to be 100% right
22:05
about CRT and intersectionality.
22:07
It is in fact a worldview that is a biblical
22:10
and antithetical to Christianity.
22:12
But again, I take you way back to in J.D. Greer.
22:16
Yes, the same J.D. Greer
22:18
that has this unbelievably awkward history
22:21
with saying things that sound like they were written down
22:23
for him by some purple haired,
22:24
nose ringed non-binary Cal Berkeley College professor
22:27
was the one that suggested that we must combine
22:31
resolution nine with four other resolutions
22:34
and just, you know, pass it real quick
22:35
so that everyone could go to, you know,
22:37
get dinner or something like that.
22:39
Excuse me.
22:40
So am I to just assume that it was a coincidence?
22:44
Like, am I just to assume that J.D. Greer
22:47
only had the most integrity-filled reasons
22:50
for wanting to do that?
22:52
Or was something more nefarious afoot?
22:54
And he was just blazing the trail for it.
22:56
Because here's the thing that I know.
22:59
In order for atheistic ideologies like communism,
23:02
now morphing into wokism, you know,
23:04
where you get CRT and all these other different things.
23:06
In order for those things to work,
23:07
in order for the plan to be carried out,
23:10
you need two kinds of people, okay?
23:12
Number one, you need conscious, nefarious actors.
23:15
And number two, you need kind-hearted, useful idiots.
23:18
That's what you need.
23:21
Because the people that are driving the ideology,
23:24
the people that are creating the ideology,
23:26
those are the conscious, nefarious actors.
23:29
But there aren't enough of those people
23:32
to really make society-wide change.
23:35
So you need a bunch of kind-hearted, useful idiots.
23:39
And so I think of it like, excuse me,
23:43
I think of it like when you have a public school teacher
23:45
that is teaching critical race theory things in their class,
23:48
but they call it something else.
23:50
They're like, oh, it's not critical race theory.
23:51
It's blah, blah, blah.
23:52
Well, who's what's it, right?
23:54
They're useful idiots.
23:55
And I'm not saying all public school teachers
23:56
or teachers of any kind are idiots,
23:59
but I'm just saying that they're so kind-hearted
24:01
and they don't even want to feel bad
24:03
and they don't want anybody to feel
24:05
as if they're being targeted.
24:07
So they will just go along to get along.
24:09
But that makes them a kind-hearted, useful idiot.
24:12
So in J.D. Greer's case,
24:14
I don't think he's a conscious, nefarious actor,
24:16
if I'm being honest,
24:17
but he certainly may be a kind-hearted, useful idiot,
24:21
I guess time will tell.
24:22
So just to kind of conclude this,
24:24
I do think that we need to keep an eye on Greer.
24:27
He seems to be trending in a very dangerous direction.
24:30
And hopefully he'll correct course quickly.
24:32
You know, and just a reminder, guys,
24:34
pastors, yours or someone else's,
24:37
they're not in any way, shape or form,
24:39
above correction or criticism.
24:41
Okay, if you have a public profile, just like me,
24:44
I get criticized all the time, believe me,
24:45
I should send you guys the emails.
24:47
I can criticize all the time.
24:48
If you're a public person,
24:49
it is okay for you to be corrected and critiqued.
24:52
And in this case, just like I said,
24:54
I've tried to be as fair as possible
24:55
to Andy Stanley last week
24:56
and to J.D. Greer this week,
24:58
I even tried to show you that there's a separation
24:59
between those two,
25:00
even though I think they're hanging out
25:02
in some of the similar philosophical circles.
25:04
So there, we'll just kind of go in,
25:05
put a bow on that for now.
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All right, so let's dig into what I want to talk about mainly
25:38
for today.
25:39
And in order to set up what I want to discuss with you today,
25:41
I need to go over a couple of news stories with you.
25:44
And again,
25:45
just quick content warning.
25:46
The first story that I'm going over
25:48
has some very, very graphic sexual details.
25:51
If you're listening to this with children,
25:53
I would highly suggest you listen to this first
25:55
and determine whether or not it's okay for your kiddo.
25:57
Again, this, it's rough.
25:58
Okay, so I'm not gonna sanitize the details
26:00
or the language in this story.
26:02
So discretion is encouraged
26:03
if you have young listeners with you.
26:04
So there I've said it.
26:06
But on January the 17th of this year,
26:08
townhall.com released an investigative report entitled
26:11
"Tapes".
26:12
We investigated a suburban LGBTQ pedophile ring.
26:15
Here's what we found.
26:16
So very ominous title and it only gets worse from there.
26:19
So I'm gonna give a link to the full article
26:21
and there's multiple articles
26:22
that I'll just put in the show notes
26:23
so you guys can read them later.
26:24
But this was actually a follow-up article
26:26
to a story that townhall.com ran in August of last year
26:30
of 2022 and I'll include that in the show notes as well
26:32
so you guys can both read those.
26:34
But this story is centered around William Dale Zullick,
26:37
Jr. and Zachary Jacobi Zullick.
26:40
Okay, so they are a gay so-called married couple
26:43
because again, you can't be gay and be married
26:45
but you know, technically in this country you can be.
26:47
They are activists and the LGBTQ plus movement
26:50
in an early 2018.
26:52
They were allowed to adopt two young boys
26:55
that were brothers and I believe they were six
26:57
and four at the time and they did so
26:59
through a so-called Christian special needs adoption agency.
27:03
Okay, so remember that, this is a gay couple, two men
27:06
that adopted a six-year-old boy and a four-year-old boy.
27:08
So many people said at the time and continued to say
27:11
that this was a great thing, that these boys were adopted
27:15
into a loving family and that this was a beautiful thing.
27:17
It's like, but this couple spent the next several years
27:20
taking those children, you know, gay pride parades
27:22
and going to do lobbying for a bunch of left-wing causes.
27:25
But then in August of last year, it was reported
27:28
that both William and Zachary were arrested
27:30
for sexually abusing their two young adopted boys
27:33
and forcing them to perform in child pornography, okay?
27:37
But now I just wanna read directly to you
27:40
from the updated town hall article from January.
27:43
Again, discretion is advised, I can't give any more warning
27:45
so let me get a quick drink and we'll get after it.
27:47
All right, here we go.
27:50
A months long town hall investigation reveals disturbing
27:53
new details about the affluent LGBTQ activist couple
27:56
accused of sodomizing their young adopted sons.
27:59
Now ages nine and 11.
28:01
The distribution of homemade child pornography
28:05
of the sexual abuse, or sorry, I messed that up,
28:08
but they're now ages nine and 11
28:10
and they distributed homemade child pornography
28:12
that they did with these kids.
28:13
So here, back to the article.
28:15
Half a year after the shocking story
28:16
made the national news, town hall is the only outlet
28:19
following up on the criminal case in Georgia
28:21
that has since seen zero headlines written about it.
28:23
We found that it's far, far worse
28:25
than what we first reported.
28:27
Not only did the married men allegedly rape the two boys
28:30
who were adopted through a Christian special needs adoption
28:32
agency, they were pimping out their children
28:34
to nearby pedophiles in Atlanta area suburbs,
28:37
town halls follow up investigation discovered recorded
28:40
jailhouse calls, a trove of never before seen court documents
28:43
and testimony from a family member who spoke exclusively
28:46
to town hall under the extent to uncover the extent
28:49
of the physical and emotional trauma,
28:51
the two elementary school aged brothers endured,
28:54
as well as the red flags that the state overlooked
28:56
during the same sex couples,
28:58
faster than expected adoption process.
29:00
The adoptive father's 33 year old government worker,
29:03
William Dale Zulloch Jr.
29:04
and 35 year old banker Zachary Zach Jacoby Zulloch,
29:07
who was previously accused of raping a child
29:09
from Oxford, Georgia, have been indicted by a grand jury
29:12
on charges of incest, aggravated sodomy,
29:15
aggravated child molestation, felony sexual exploitation
29:19
of children and felony prostitution of a minor.
29:22
William and Zachary are each facing over nine life sentences
29:25
and they pleaded not guilty.
29:27
According to a copy of the 17 count indictment town hall
29:29
has obtained, the adoptive dads allegedly performed oral sex
29:33
on both boys, forced the children to perform oral sex
29:36
on them and annually raped with their sons.
29:39
In at least one instance, the anal rape injured
29:41
the older Zulloch child who just turned 11 years old
29:45
in mid December.
29:46
Court records indicate that the child sexual abuse stretches
29:49
back to as early as late 2019 and intensified
29:53
in January of 2021, March, 2021, and December 2021
29:57
as the offensive or as the offense dates are listed.
30:00
William admitted to forcing his 11 year old adopted son
30:04
to perform an active sodomy aka oral copulation on him
30:08
with the intent to satisfy his own sexual desire
30:11
reads a sworn affidavit filed in support of Williams
30:14
his oversight arrest back in July 27th.
30:18
An updated criminal affidavit says the child sexual abuse
30:21
was filmed by Williams husband Zachary with whom
30:24
he routinely engaged in sexual abuse of acts on the boy.
30:27
Zachary, the household's breadwinner confessed
30:29
to being the cameraman and authorities allegedly found
30:32
a folder on his cell phone labeled us that contained videos
30:35
of Williams sexually abusing the child.
30:37
The indictment also charges the Zulloch codefendants
30:40
with soliciting two other men through the use
30:42
of popular social media platforms in the greater Atlanta
30:44
metropolitan region to perform an active prostitution
30:47
with their child that suffered physical injuries
30:50
from being brutally raped town hall is the first
30:52
to publicly identify these two alleged members
30:54
of the pedophile ring in the heart of the peach state.
30:57
27 year old Hunter clay lawless and 25 year old
30:59
Luis Armando Viscaro Sanchez, both of Loganville lawless
31:04
who snitched on the Zullochs told local law enforcement
31:07
he received numerous messages via Snapchat from Zachary
31:10
about quote effing his son tonight.
31:13
And I'm sanitizing just a little bit
31:15
but effing his son tonight and to be prepared to receive
31:18
images as well as videos of the father raping
31:20
the adopted child.
31:22
Zachary met lawless through a mutual contact
31:24
and an identified man going only by the first name Blake
31:27
on a gay dating app grinder.
31:29
Following the virtual introduction Zachary sent photographs
31:31
and videos to lawless of a little boy he referred to
31:35
as his son quote, I'm going to F my son tonight
31:38
stand by unquote Zachary allegedly messaged lawless
31:41
on Snapchat and then sent pictures of himself sexually
31:44
abusing his 11 year old child after he was busted lawless
31:47
tonight having any physical contact with the Zulloch boys
31:50
but told law enforcement officers that Zachary invited him
31:52
multiple times to engage in sexual acts with him
31:55
and his two children.
31:56
A list of the state's evidence includes 149 images collected
32:00
at the Zulloch home to flash drives containing Zachary
32:03
and lawless his phone data sexual assault nurse examination
32:06
results from the children's medical forensic exams
32:09
which garnered DNA evidence such as bodily fluids
32:12
and documented injuries a text message from lawless
32:15
a Snapchat letter to written letters from older brother
32:17
or from the older Zulloch child and a discontaining a data dump
32:21
from this caro Sanchez's iPad and iPhone.
32:24
So let's let that sink in for just a moment there.
32:29
It's it's unspeakable.
32:33
I mean as I was preparing this podcast I was like
32:36
I'm fighting back tears just so so mad
32:42
because I have two sons that are a couple of years apart
32:45
and these brothers for years were with these men.
32:50
These demons was probably a more apt way of describing them
32:56
and a side note to this story by the way.
32:59
To all of you be known for what I'm for
33:02
not what I'm against people.
33:03
What do you think about a story like that?
33:05
Are you against that or would it be unloving
33:07
to talk about it cowards?
33:10
And then also to all of the, you know,
33:12
all the people that think that the death penalty
33:14
for any crime is too harsh or for those that think
33:17
the death penalty, you know, is rarely appropriate
33:20
but only for murder and not for any other crime.
33:23
You still sure about that?
33:23
You sure?
33:26
Because these men are facing life in prison
33:32
and not the death penalty.
33:33
Do we need these two guys in society anymore again
33:37
innocent until proven guilty?
33:38
But the evidence is damnable.
33:40
At this point, they need to have their day in court.
33:44
But as I told you before, I don't think
33:47
that the death penalty should be limited to murder.
33:49
Especially in this country where we typically only
33:54
we'll take the lives of people that have murdered
33:55
multiple people and had other extenuating circumstances.
33:58
These two men, if convicted, should die immediately.
34:02
You know, they get, you know, one appeal and then that day.
34:06
So if their appeal is gonna wrap up by noon that day,
34:09
let, you know, anyone who still claims them,
34:11
no, hey, you're gonna have a couple hours with them
34:13
and then we're gonna take them outside of town.
34:14
We're gonna put a bullet in the back of each of their heads
34:16
and either the vultures will eat them
34:18
or you can come and collect their terrible worthless bodies.
34:21
That's what I think that should happen.
34:23
So that's obviously an extreme story.
34:26
But then there was also a picture
34:28
within the last week that went viral
34:29
that is gonna play into kind of what we're talking about today.
34:32
But it's a picture that was posted by Mark Lowen on Twitter
34:35
and it's a picture of two gay men holding a six week old baby.
34:39
And this is what they wrote.
34:40
"After six weeks in wonderful Canada
34:42
"and tearful farewells to our incredible surrogate and friend,
34:45
"it's time to go home to Lisbon with our new family member,
34:48
"our most beautiful hand luggage.
34:50
"Canada, you are a shining light of democracy and equality.
34:53
"Thank you for letting us fulfill our dream."
34:55
Okay, so two gay men, they obviously rented a woman's womb
35:00
and, you know, woman has this baby six weeks later.
35:03
These two gay men taking their baby back with them to Lisbon.
35:06
Most people, or I would say a lot of people, not most people,
35:09
a lot of people had very, very positive reactions to this.
35:12
They said it was very, very beautiful.
35:13
But then there were a lot of other people that said,
35:15
"Yeah, this is actually pretty sad."
35:16
And I would, of course, agree with those people.
35:18
I'm sorry, guys, for the multiple breaks.
35:21
So a voice is really, really struggling right now.
35:23
But with both of these kinds of stories,
35:26
at least generically, gay couples adopting children.
35:30
And in some cases, using surrogates to have a family
35:33
and we're being told that this is a beautiful thing.
35:35
There's a common word that's used to describe
35:38
what's happening, that it should be celebrated,
35:40
that it should happen more and more,
35:42
and that it's totally normal and healthy.
35:44
But this won't come as a shock to any of you.
35:46
I have a different view.
35:48
I think that gay adoption and surrogacy
35:51
is an ugly, ugly thing.
35:53
It should not be celebrated.
35:55
It should never happen.
35:57
And it's totally not normal and not healthy.
36:01
Now, am I saying that every gay couple
36:03
that adopts little boys will end up raping them
36:05
and pimping them out to other pedophiles?
36:07
Of course not.
36:08
Of course, I'm not saying that.
36:10
There are plenty of awful, demonic, sick parents
36:13
and heterosexual relationships.
36:15
But statistically speaking, children suffer physical
36:20
and sexual abuse at the hands of men
36:23
far more than they do at the hands of women.
36:26
So putting them in a household with two adult men
36:31
just increases the likelihood of abuse taking place.
36:35
Against statistically speaking, that is 100% true.
36:39
But as I was thinking through those two news stories,
36:43
I was thinking a lot about gay adoption and gay surrogacy
36:46
and really how ugly it is overall.
36:48
With gay, and there's so many different reasons,
36:50
but one of them is with gay marriage
36:52
it involves two consenting adults.
36:55
With gay adoption, the children cannot consent
36:57
to being raised that way.
37:00
And I mean, when that thought occurred to me,
37:02
I was like, that needs to be talked about way more.
37:05
Because yeah, especially if you're a libertarian,
37:07
it's like, yeah, they're just gay dudes
37:09
are gonna go do their own thing.
37:10
It doesn't bother me in my marriage.
37:11
But when they start having families,
37:14
when they start adopting children,
37:16
when they start doing this weird in vitro fertilization,
37:19
swirl thing where we don't know
37:20
who semen is gonna actually go into the egg
37:23
and we don't know we're gonna just gonna put in
37:25
some random woman's body or something like that
37:26
or 20, 25 years in the future
37:28
when we're gonna have synthetic wounds
37:30
or something like that,
37:32
that's when it becomes an issue.
37:34
'Cause children can't consent
37:35
to being raised in a family like that.
37:37
And another reason why I really think you should be
37:41
against gay adoption and surrogacy
37:43
is the father-mother children
37:45
or father-mother-child family structure
37:48
is literally the basis of human society and civilization.
37:51
Because obviously we don't get human society
37:55
and civilization without procreation.
37:58
That only occurs with a man and a woman.
38:01
Now we live in this modern time
38:02
where a man and a man are a woman and a woman
38:04
or a single man or a single woman,
38:05
they can just pretend that it's their child
38:08
and they can just have one created and a lab for them
38:11
or they can just adopt a kid or something like that.
38:13
And all of a sudden that's somehow supposed to be different.
38:17
But the basis of human society crumbles,
38:21
the foundation literally crumbles to ashes
38:24
if you don't have father-mother children.
38:27
Natural, biological, father, mother, children.
38:30
And also when you're researching things like that,
38:33
you'll find these studies, right?
38:35
These studies that discover that children
38:38
in same-sex households fare better
38:40
or the same as their straight,
38:42
mother and father counterparts.
38:44
But the thing about all these studies that I found,
38:46
when you dig in just a little bit,
38:48
those studies are riddled with errors and inaccuracies.
38:51
And I won't go into too much detail there
38:53
because I'm gonna link to a Heritage Foundation report
38:56
that looked at these things that,
38:57
you get the big headline on Washington Post or New York Times
39:00
or Vox or something like that.
39:02
Kids that are raised by two gay fathers or two lesbian mothers,
39:05
they actually fare better than all the straight kids.
39:07
No, actually they don't.
39:09
Another reason why I really think
39:11
that you should struggle and be against gay adoption
39:14
and surrogacy is there's actually great evidence
39:18
to suggest that children raised by homosexuals
39:21
have a much higher likelihood
39:23
of experiencing sexual and gender disorders.
39:26
And we've kind of seen this,
39:27
we kind of see this even just by looking at culture,
39:30
isn't it so interesting when you have these parents
39:33
in California or, you know, in Chicago or in Portland
39:37
or in Austin or in DC or in any of these liberal hubs, right?
39:41
You have this one parent that'll have three kids,
39:43
one of them's trans and one of them's pansexual.
39:46
It's like, really?
39:47
Like statistically speaking, that's almost impossible.
39:52
And I mean, Jordan Peterson even talked about this recently
39:54
on a Joe Rogan podcast,
39:55
it's like the chances of that are so unbelievably slim,
39:59
there's a much, much higher likelihood
40:01
that one, if not both of the parents
40:03
are destructive narcissists
40:05
and they're literally influencing their kids
40:08
to think that they are something that they're likely not.
40:12
You're being introduced to homosexuality in the household
40:16
and the normalization of these reprehensible,
40:19
abominable behaviors.
40:21
And then that leads to the child experiencing
40:23
sexual and gender disorders.
40:25
Again, not great evidence at all
40:27
for kids growing up in homosexual relationships
40:29
or homosexual households,
40:30
having good outcomes on the back end,
40:32
but great evidence to suggest that when that happens,
40:34
it's actually way more negative for the children
40:36
specifically because they create sexual and gender disorders.
40:40
Another thing that I thought about is,
40:42
we already thought, you know, as society,
40:43
as people that we could mess and finagle
40:47
with the traditional successful family structure
40:50
and model and experience no issues.
40:54
And just be honest, I don't think that we need to experiment
40:56
with doing that again.
40:58
Because, you know, back in the '60s, sexual liberation,
41:01
you get into no fault divorces,
41:03
there's tons of divorce families
41:06
and babies out of wedlock.
41:07
The government sold a bill of goods to single mothers.
41:10
Look, you don't need a man.
41:12
Actually, if you have a man in the house,
41:14
we're not gonna be able to give you any money.
41:15
So just, if you wanna have sex
41:17
and, you know, do all your different things
41:18
and you get pregnant, you know,
41:19
one will provide you a means to kill that baby,
41:22
but if you wanna keep that baby,
41:23
don't worry about baby daddy,
41:24
don't worry about any of that stuff,
41:25
we'll take care of you.
41:26
You know, Uncle Sam will take care of you.
41:29
And that has caused an unbelievable number of issues.
41:33
Society-wide.
41:34
There are, I would say probably the overwhelming majority
41:38
of societal issues, not governmental issues or whatever,
41:41
societal issues stem from fatherlessness,
41:44
because it's something that's been encouraged.
41:46
You know, hey, if this man's not meeting your knees,
41:49
just leave him, don't worry, we'll take care of you.
41:52
And the problem that it creates is, you know,
41:55
I guess why in the world do we think
41:57
that adding gay and lesbian parents to the mix
42:00
would be a good idea?
42:01
So we thought, you know, no fault divorce would be a good idea.
42:05
We thought, you know, women not having a man in their life,
42:07
you know, father's not being around their kids.
42:08
We thought all that was a good idea.
42:10
And now we're supposed to listen to you when you say,
42:11
oh yeah, having gay and lesbian parents,
42:13
that's gonna be no problem.
42:14
And I think it stems from another concern,
42:18
which is pretending like homosexual relationships
42:20
and heterosexual relationships are fundamentally the same
42:24
and superficially different
42:25
is literally the exact opposite of reality.
42:27
They're superficially the same and fundamentally different, okay?
42:33
Because homosexual relationships don't even provide
42:36
for the opportunity to naturally procreate.
42:40
So just by that one stance,
42:42
homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships
42:45
are completely fundamentally different.
42:47
And yes, they're inherent heterosexual relationships.
42:50
There are people that biologically cannot conceive
42:52
for whatever reason, and it's typically heartbreaking, right?
42:56
And there are means by which that can be taken care of
43:00
and that you can work around that.
43:02
And there's different things that I'm not gonna get into today
43:04
where people can still have a family, okay?
43:06
'Cause I would certainly never say to anyone
43:09
that's an adoptive parent
43:09
that you're somehow doing something wrong.
43:12
I personally know women that cannot conceive,
43:16
but they're the best mamas
43:17
to the families and the children that they've adopted.
43:20
So obviously I'm not going against just normal adoption.
43:23
But to say that those types of relationships are the same,
43:26
fundamentally at its core when you're looking at truth,
43:28
it's just not real.
43:30
But then also promiscuity and gay relationships,
43:33
so specifically to men,
43:35
promiscuity in those relationships is astonishingly high.
43:38
That's kind of like a joke in the gay community
43:40
to where it's just like every married man
43:42
kind of also has boyfriends on the side.
43:44
That's just something that they do.
43:46
There's not this overwhelming focus.
43:48
Again, this is a satanic worldview
43:49
that even leads to where homosexuality is normalized,
43:52
but it's not even a normal thing for you to be
43:55
just dedicated to your one partner,
43:57
your one homosexual partner.
43:59
Again, that's a joke in the gay community
44:01
that they have so many sexual partners.
44:03
And so when you think about that in a family context,
44:06
if that happens in your family context,
44:09
don't you think that's gonna have an impact on children?
44:11
You're already showing them homosexual relationships
44:13
as if that's a natural thing.
44:14
It's not even, again, take spirituality, take God out of it.
44:17
It's not natural in nature.
44:19
Because again, if you just think with that,
44:20
we're all just highly evolved chimps
44:22
and there's just a bunch of highly evolved things
44:24
running around, like two females or two males
44:28
having sex with one another
44:29
doesn't lead to the propagation of the species.
44:32
And so they're already seeing that nonsense
44:34
in a human form in their household,
44:36
but then what if promiscuity comes in?
44:38
And I guess one last one that I wanna talk about here
44:40
is just surrogacy commodifies the wombs of women.
44:45
That's what surrogacy is.
44:49
I don't see a good argument for surrogacy for gay couples
44:52
where you literally just put this, you just inject this,
44:58
you know, sperm and egg and this zygote
45:00
and you just inject it into a woman
45:01
and you're basically renting her womb from her.
45:04
That was one of the things
45:06
that whenever Russia invaded Ukraine,
45:07
Ukraine is one of the biggest countries for surrogacy.
45:11
And that was really gonna hurt their surrogacy numbers,
45:13
which was gonna hurt their GDP.
45:15
But it's like, where are the second,
45:18
third and fourth-way feminists on surrogacy?
45:22
On women, 'cause we're not supposed to objectify women,
45:25
turn them into objects.
45:26
What is surrogacy for gay couples doing?
45:29
You're literally creating an object
45:32
that you're inserting something into
45:34
and then you're getting it out on the back end
45:35
and pretending it's yours and pretending it's beautiful.
45:38
But if I were to coalesce all this down,
45:41
I would say that my main reason for feeling this way,
45:44
that gay adoption and surrogacy is ugly
45:46
and that we shouldn't do it,
45:47
is that children deserve a mother and a father.
45:51
They indeed deserve a mother and a father.
45:56
Now, in our modern time,
45:57
the word deserve is definitely overused.
45:59
I deserve free healthcare.
46:00
I deserve to have you pay for my college.
46:02
That's obviously not something that comes into play here.
46:05
But children, literally long for their biological parents.
46:09
Gay adoption and surrogacy just exacerbates
46:13
the spade of children that live apart
46:15
from their mothers and fathers.
46:16
For any of you parents out there
46:19
that have adopted children, you know this to be true.
46:22
You painfully know this to be true.
46:24
That when the child figures out or finds out
46:27
that you are not their biological parents,
46:29
again, there's beauty in the fact
46:31
that you're parenting that kid.
46:32
So I wanna edify you in that way.
46:34
But they have a longing for their biological mother and father.
46:39
And so allowing gay adoption and surrogacy
46:41
literally increases the spade of children
46:44
that are gonna be going through that.
46:46
And also, in lesbian or, you know,
46:48
singer mother households caused by gay adoption or surrogacy,
46:53
it creates a very detrimental situation
46:56
where the children grow up without their fathers.
46:58
Again, I've talked about this a lot.
47:00
Go buy the boy crisis by Warren Farrell.
47:01
Read that.
47:02
When dads are not present, when fathers are not present
47:05
in a society, the society crumbles.
47:08
Again, the stats are damning.
47:10
For little girls, sexual promiscuity goes up,
47:13
grades goes down, criminality goes up,
47:15
STDs goes up.
47:16
For boys, violence goes up, murders go up.
47:21
Again, sexual promiscuity goes up, grades go down.
47:24
Like, you know, their ability to earn money
47:26
and get an education over their life,
47:27
it's all affected by whether or not dad is there.
47:31
And so in these single mother households,
47:33
'cause I know that there are people out there
47:36
that will literally have a sperm donor
47:38
so that they can get pregnant
47:39
so that they can be a single mother
47:41
hoping one day they'll have a husband.
47:43
And if not, they're choosing single motherhood.
47:46
And statistically speaking, you know,
47:49
they're exposing that child to an undue amount of risk
47:52
and children need both.
47:54
Because the same is true in the opposite.
47:56
In gay or single father households caused by gay adoption
47:59
and surrogacy, it creates a very detrimental situation
48:01
where children grow up without their mothers.
48:04
Because I know this is shocking to say in 2022,
48:07
mothers and fathers give different types of things
48:09
to their children.
48:10
You know, fathers speak to them in a different way.
48:15
They call them up in a different way.
48:16
They show them how to protect.
48:18
It's more aggressive, the rough housing,
48:20
all those different things.
48:21
Again, read the boy crisis.
48:22
It's a must read book for anyone with sons.
48:25
But then children need mothers too.
48:28
Literally this morning, I snuck in behind my son.
48:31
He's sitting at our, you know,
48:32
'cause we have these barstools
48:33
and he's sitting at our island.
48:35
And his face is basically at, you know,
48:38
eye level with the island, right, the countertop.
48:41
And I sneak up behind him and I go to like, you know,
48:43
blow a raspberry or whatever on his neck.
48:46
And he, you know, he laughs and like jerks his head away
48:49
and bangs his head on the counter, okay?
48:51
Completely my fault.
48:53
Immediately felt like I felt this big
48:56
and I felt like a heaping pile of crap.
48:58
Just the worst possible situation.
49:01
I go to hug him and oh, I'm so sorry
49:03
and I'm patting his head and all that.
49:05
And what do you bet he did?
49:07
He pushed me away and ran to mom.
49:09
Now, I was the source of the problem, right?
49:12
'Cause I'm the one that technically made him hurt himself.
49:14
So I'm the one that hurt him.
49:16
But had he even just fallen down
49:17
and any other time where he falls down
49:19
or bumps into something, he doesn't run to dad dad.
49:22
He runs to mama.
49:22
Children need that.
49:25
They absolutely need that.
49:28
And now of course that can't always be possible.
49:32
There are fathers that leave.
49:34
There are fathers that die.
49:35
There are mothers that die at childbirth.
49:37
This product of the fall is we have all these
49:40
detrimental things that happen to life.
49:41
So that's not always possible.
49:43
But we as a society should always shoot
49:47
for the ideal over the convenient.
49:48
Always shoot for the ideal over the convenient.
49:52
Because there's a situation that came up
49:54
even here recently and I have to be careful
49:55
'cause the person may be listening to this,
49:57
but it was a single guy.
49:59
And I met him 'cause there were some work
50:01
that we were both doing.
50:01
This was years ago.
50:02
And he's one of those guys at the moment
50:04
I shook his hand and met him, I'm like, oh, this guy's gay.
50:06
But then he started talking about his girlfriend
50:08
and some of his relationships had it gone awry.
50:10
And I'm like, oh, this guy doesn't realize he's gay yet.
50:12
And it was just something that popped up in my head.
50:14
It's like, this guy's very clearly a homosexual,
50:16
but he just hasn't gotten there yet, I guess, okay?
50:19
And this is a guy that goes to church
50:20
and he volunteers and all those different things.
50:22
And I found out years later that he had become somehow
50:26
a foster parent and he was fostering
50:29
like an 11 year old or 12 year old boy
50:32
and then he adopted this boy.
50:34
And then the next time I heard about this man,
50:36
it was because he came out as homosexual.
50:39
And again, I don't know this guy personally,
50:41
I have no idea what's going on in their house.
50:43
But it's not exactly a secret that a lot of adult
50:46
homosexual men have boyfriends that are underage.
50:51
That's something that gets a lot of people canceled
50:53
even talking about something like that.
50:54
Like there was a conservative commentator
50:56
that got canceled for pointing that out.
50:58
Like, what was his name?
51:01
Milo Yiannopoulos.
51:02
Yeah, he just pointed that out.
51:03
He's like, yeah, it's not that big a deal.
51:04
Obviously, I think it's a huge deal.
51:06
It's a huge deal because it's a homosexual relationship
51:07
but it's also a huge deal because it's pedophilia.
51:10
But this is something that is common in the gay community.
51:13
Again, I'm not making that up.
51:15
I'm not throwing stones, I'm just describing reality.
51:18
And so it's like, in that situation,
51:20
what was the wisdom behind giving this young boy
51:23
to this man?
51:24
Like, what kind of follow up is there?
51:27
Like, it's just, it's a terrible situation
51:29
all the way around, in my opinion.
51:31
But the bottom line here is,
51:32
as no matter who does the study,
51:34
as long as, you know, it's an honest and well done study,
51:37
when it's done, the truth is this.
51:40
More healthy children come from families
51:43
with a father and a mother both in the home
51:47
where the father is the breadwinner,
51:48
the mother is mainly taking care of the house
51:51
and where the family is involved in the local church
51:54
than any other kind of arrangement.
51:56
That's it, hard stop, period, end of story.
52:01
Father, mother, both living in the home, married,
52:05
father's breadwinner, mother,
52:07
typically takes care of the household
52:09
and the family is involved in the local church.
52:10
The outcomes for those children and those families
52:13
is higher than any other possible scenario
52:15
that you can put out there.
52:17
So when I talk about the ideal, that's what I mean.
52:20
So we shouldn't make it easier for us to usurp the ideal,
52:24
to chop out the foundations of the ideal.
52:28
But we also, as we wrap up here,
52:29
we need to talk about this from a biblical perspective, okay?
52:33
Because normalizing babies in same-sex scenarios
52:37
would continue to erode God's very first command
52:41
to Adam and Eve.
52:42
Be fruitful and increase in number, that's Genesis 128,
52:45
and then be fruitful and multiply,
52:47
that's repeated for Noah's family in Genesis nine.
52:50
So again, when you normalize babies,
52:53
being thrust into these same-sex scenarios,
52:56
you're going directly against God's mandate and commands.
52:59
Also, as I mentioned earlier, God gave us marriage
53:03
and he gets to define it,
53:04
'cause he's the one that invented it, okay?
53:06
So Genesis 224, therefore a man shall leave his mother
53:09
or his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife
53:12
and they shall become one flesh.
53:14
Where do we get this concept of marriage?
53:16
To highly evolved chimps being with one another?
53:20
That, that's where we get that idea, okay?
53:23
So the federal government of the United States
53:25
doesn't get to define what marriage is.
53:26
You don't get to define what it is for you and your truth
53:29
and your lived experience, God does.
53:32
But also, we see in Matthew 19 that Jesus upholds
53:35
the sanctity of marriage.
53:37
Read Matthew 19, it's very interesting.
53:39
And so I guess to kind of put a bow on all this guys,
53:42
this is a hard one for a lot of reasons.
53:45
This is a very difficult thing to talk about
53:48
because of the things that happen,
53:50
because of the negative things that happen.
53:52
All of this is a product of brokenness,
53:54
that we live in a post-Genesis 3 world
53:56
that we're even talking about these things
53:58
is because of that.
53:59
So above all of these things,
54:01
if you don't have the blood of Christ,
54:03
if you're not covered by the blood of Christ,
54:04
if you don't have your faith in the fact
54:07
that he is the resurrected savior
54:10
and he died so that you could have a way to the father,
54:13
that's a problem.
54:14
That's something that you need to reckon with.
54:16
You may have never prayed before
54:17
because you don't think that God exists.
54:19
Pray as if he does exist.
54:21
Reach out to him and say,
54:22
"Hey, reveal yourself to me.
54:24
"Get yourself a Bible."
54:25
I promise, wherever you're out in America,
54:27
you can find one in about five minutes, right?
54:29
You can download one on your phone in the next 30 seconds,
54:31
okay?
54:32
Read through the scriptures.
54:34
Read through the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
54:36
and see if the story of Jesus resonates with you.
54:40
Ask God to reveal himself to you.
54:44
I think he'll be shocked at what you find.
54:46
So specifically to gay adoption and surrogacy.
54:48
Don't be one of those go along to get along Christians.
54:53
Don't be one of those loser cowards that's just like,
54:55
"Oh, I wanna be known for what I'm for,
54:57
"not what I'm against."
54:58
If things are ugly and sinful,
55:00
it is incumbent upon you to point it out
55:04
and fight against it.
55:05
When we talk about love, that's kind of the new thing.
55:08
Like, "Oh, you know, we're just gonna love.
55:09
"We're not gonna talk about your sin.
55:10
"We're just gonna love."
55:11
It is unloving to ignore someone's sin
55:14
'cause it's their sin that sends them the help.
55:16
So no, you should not support gay relationships.
55:20
You should not support gay marriage,
55:22
which is basically gay mirage.
55:24
It's not a real thing.
55:25
And gay adoption and surrogacy.
55:27
Don't be one of those Christians that I've talked to
55:29
that are like, "Well, I guess it's better for them
55:31
"to be in a gay household than it is
55:32
"for them to be in foster care."
55:34
How do you know that?
55:35
Why would you even say such a thing?
55:38
To pretend as if that you really agree
55:40
with a Judeo-Christian ethic and with the father, mother,
55:44
children's set up and then say something like that.
55:47
Oh, it's probably better.
55:49
If you think about it for any length of time,
55:50
that's not where you're gonna end up.
55:52
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