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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast, I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into
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it.
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Alright guys, today I've got a very special guest for you on the podcast.
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His name is Jack Carr, and for a lot of you guys, there's no other introduction that needs
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to be made, but for those of you who aren't familiar with Jack Carr, he is a professional
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writer, but also a retired Navy SEAL sniper.
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He retired as an officer from the Navy SEALs, but his books have gone all over the place,
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and they've shot to the top of the bestseller list because this year he appeared in the Joe
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Rogan experience, basically got a ringing endorsement for his third novel, and then
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people just started buying up his books left and right.
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I remember hearing stories about the fact that at one point you could not find a hardback
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version of its first three books, which are the terminal list, true believer, and then
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savage son.
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So when this podcast today, we certainly talk about his books.
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We talk about his book that he has coming out next April called The Devil's Hand.
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It's pre-order right now.
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It's April the 13th.
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I'll have all that information for you in the show notes.
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Obviously, we talked a little bit about the fact that he's a Navy SEAL and all that's interesting,
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but with this podcast episode in particular, I didn't want to do the normal Jack Carr interview
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because the normal Jack Carr interview is, you know, let's talk about the books and how
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do you get your ideas for books and oh, wasn't that cool that you made it through buds and,
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you know, isn't it cool that you're a sniper and oh man, what about this?
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Oh, do you like this gun or do you like this knife?
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All that's cool.
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And we get into some of that, right, because because I'm frankly interested in that stuff
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as well.
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But I wanted to give Jack some latitude to talk about some larger topics.
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I mean, we all love the EDC stuff.
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We all love the Navy SEAL stuff in the books, but I wanted to give him a chance to talk
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about some stuff that he maybe doesn't get to talk about.
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I've seen a lot of his interviews.
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I've read a lot of the stuff that's been written about him.
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And I gave him that latitude today, ask him some questions about some big topics about
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things going on right now in America, things going on societally, culturally, also just
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the state of manhood overall, his own personal spirituality.
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And guys, I couldn't have been more excited with how this ended up.
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He was so gracious, so nice on air and off air.
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So guys, without further ado, let's get into it.
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Jack Carr, welcome to Undaunted Life.
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A man's podcast.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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It's great to be here.
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I got to tell you the moment I even hinted at some of the interviews I was going to be
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doing some guys were like, dude, have you talked to Jack Carr?
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You're going to get Jack Carr.
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We got to get Jack Carr on here.
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His books are so awesome.
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And guys, we're going to get into the books.
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We're going to get into a lot of his history.
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But the thing I got to start out with, this is a selfish question just for me.
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I followed you on Instagram for a long time.
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And you always post these amazing pictures from what looks to be the coolest living room
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in the history of anything ever.
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Is that your actual living room?
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Is that really what you look at every single day when you're working from home?
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That is.
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But we just moved this week.
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No, no.
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Actually, I'm in the process of a moose.
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There's boxes everywhere.
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It's total chaos.
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I'm in this little closet right now trying to figure out the internet connection.
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But yeah, that was the house.
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We're there for three years.
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Beautiful spot, beautiful view right there, nestled in the mountains with moose coming
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by and mule deer coming by.
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And it was a great spot with an amazing office.
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But the office did look great.
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But just on the other side of those doors was complete chaos with family, three kids,
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dog, wife, the rest of it.
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So although Instagram made it look nice and peaceful, in reality, if I was to pan, turn
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it into a video and pan outside those doors, total chaos.
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So so we moved to a place that was a little better set up for the family.
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And we'll be here for about a year, year and a half or so.
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But we build one that's even more well suited for our family situation.
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So very good.
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Not a bad spot though.
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Not a bad spot.
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And as long as the views from the next spot are good, you know, maybe we can just take
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some posterity photos from the place you're at now and we can post them later.
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But you know, there's a lot to talk about today and we're going to go a little bit different
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than some of the interviews that you've done before.
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But I think the most appropriate place to start would just be kind of the day that your
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entire life got flipped upside down and that's whenever you appear in the Joe Rogan experience
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in April of this year, your life and really your career as an author exploded after that.
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You were having success.
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You definitely were having quite a bit of success.
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But then it just went to another level.
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So I just wanted to give you a little bit of latitude to tell our viewers what it was
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like, you know, when you were contacted by Joe or the show and kind of what the process
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was like doing the show and then obviously what life has looked like thereafter.
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Yeah.
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So it's interesting in that I was really hoping that before the third book came out, actually
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I was hoping before the first book came out, before the second book came out, right before
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the third book came out that Joe would have me on, that I'd go on something like a Fox
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and Friends they've show that Chris Pratt would say something because he optioned the
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rights for the movie before or series before the first book even hit the shelves.
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I was hoping like all those things would happen and none of them happened before that third
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book came out.
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And now I am so happy that they didn't because the third book made the New York Times list,
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which is a, you know, a benchmark for authors, that's pretty important.
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And so it made that because of grassroots word of mouth, because of podcasts like this,
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because of readers, because of hunters, because of tactical shooters, because of veterans
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who told a friend and then maybe posted something to their five followers or 10 followers or
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20,000 followers or a million followers, whatever it was.
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But it was all grassroots word of mouth and modern word of mouth through connecting with
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people that most of people that I had relationships with before I had an Instagram account or
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before I was an author, just be it by being around the tactical industry, by wanting my
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guys to have the best gear possible before we went down range in the SEAL teams and that
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sort of thing.
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So I had these relationships with their personal to different companies and then they saw me
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transition.
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A lot of them wanted to help and it was just very cool to see that and to have the book
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make the New York Times list because of that grassroots effort.
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So Joe Rogan happened a few weeks after the New York Times list.
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Chris Pratt posted something a couple of weeks after the New York Times list.
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I went on Tucker Carlson a couple of months after.
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So all that stuff happened after and now I am so thankful that they didn't do anything
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beforehand.
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And I knew Chris beforehand, I knew Joe beforehand, I'm one of my dear friends, dear friends
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with Tucker.
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But I'm so glad none of those guys had me on or said anything before the book made it
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on its own.
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You know, no one can say, only because you went on Rogan.
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Right.
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Right.
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Well, no, it happened afterwards.
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So I'm very thankful now that none of that stuff happened beforehand.
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But it was interesting with Joe, his podcast was very different than a lot of the other
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ones I've done.
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I've known him for a few years now through the connection to hunting and all that sort
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of thing.
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So we've been out together.
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We've hunted together.
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Fantastic guy.
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And podcast listeners, and I knew this ahead of time, seemed to be more audiobook
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type listeners.
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And so as soon as I went on Rogan, yeah, audiobook, boom, that hit the New York Times
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list.
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The first book, boom, that hit the New York Times list.
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So the audiobook connection to podcast listeners is strong, is a strong one.
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So that was, that was, that was pretty cool.
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So yeah, it's been, it's been a great few years and, and yeah, right now I've finished
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the fourth novel and working on the scripts for the Amazon series.
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So it's, it just doesn't stop.
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So you're not busy at all, which is great.
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So you got all the time in the world with the guys, this is going to be a four or five
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hour conversation.
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So buckle in.
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No, so that's just awesome because that's where a lot of guys did see you for the first
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time.
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Because I got to be honest, I remember seeing copies of, you know, the terminal list and
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true believer just on people's shelves for people that I follow on Instagram.
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So it really, the grassroots organic movement hit me as well.
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And guys, I know we would be remiss if we didn't at least talk about your history in
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the Navy seals.
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You know, we're not going to spend a lot of time on that because you've talked about
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that really in a lot of other interviews.
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But the biggest thing that I did want to get your opinion on and for you to kind of give
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our listeners is you're a sniper, you were a sniper, you spent a lot of time behind the
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glass, but there are a lot of misconceptions about what a sniper is in general, but even
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specifically what a neighbor Navy Seal sniper does.
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And it's not always, you know, the big Hollywood moments that people might be thinking of.
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So from your perspective with, with all your history, with that particular job, what are
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some of the biggest misconceptions about what a sniper is in general, but even just a more
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specifically a Navy Seal sniper, I guess maybe the biggest misconception is that you never
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miss.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if I want to talk about missing right now, it's not the, but yeah, everybody,
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you know, everybody misses in, in training and in, in real life.
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And that's just how it, this is how it goes.
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So probably the biggest misconception is, is, you know, like it is, it is a very strong
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capability, and we are very good at it.
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All military snipers are very good at it.
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And they only gotten a lot better since September 11th, because in the run up to September 11th,
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really we were using technology and tactics that were developed in the Vietnam War, because
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that is the last time we were in sustained combat operations.
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And since that time, there have been flashpoints here and there, like at desert one, that's
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Grenada, Panama, Mogadishu, but those were just, those were the kind of like the one-offs.
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And we weren't in sustained combat until just after September 11th, 2001.
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So the, the technology that's been developed since then, the tactics that have evolved since
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then.
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I mean, I can only imagine out for a few years now, and I can only imagine how much better
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the snipers are now, just what's been developed and those tactics and all of that being incorporated
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into the training.
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So the guys are probably pretty good now.
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My sniper school was in 2000, right after my first platoon, and it was a lot more of
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the art than the science back then.
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And today I'm sure it's a mixture of art and science, but the science piece of it has come
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really come to the forefront.
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And yeah, it's a, it's an incredible capability, but that's something I explore in my novels
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as well.
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I'm gonna explore in the future is kind of that art-first science piece of sniping.
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So yeah, biggest misconception is that, you know, you never miss.
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And, but yeah, I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I want to dispel that right
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now.
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We don't miss much.
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How about that?
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Yeah, we'll go with don't miss much, but that is one of the misconceptions because whenever
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you read any novels that talk about snipers or anytime you see one on television, like,
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oh, the FBI snipers coming in for the hostage situation, or, you know, there, there's someone's
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trying to be a half cock from Vietnam and they're, they're trying to do their different things.
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It does seem like you guys just don't miss and that you don't make mistakes, which you
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clearly do, but it is the, the makes that, that do make the news and make the headlines
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as well.
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The other thing I did want to talk about with your Navy Seal history, because you've, you've
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talked about this before, you actually said on Instagram that you've always loathed the
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Seal ethos, but you didn't really elaborate or not really anywhere where I saw.
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So I do want to give you some latitude to elaborate, if you will, on why you're not a
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huge fan of the Seal ethos, but even as it pertains to just what, what came out a few
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months ago, which is that the Navy Seals said that they were going to remove gendered language
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from the ethos.
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And then also you subsequently saw President Trump saying that he would oppose those changes.
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So, so kind of, you know, tease that out for us a little bit about, you know, some of your
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issues with the Seal ethos and where you maybe see it going.
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Yeah.
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So we're going to write a blog post at some point where I could sit down and really put
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some more thought into it.
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But the first time I saw that ethos and I'm going to get the exact date wrong, but let's
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just say it's 2005-ish somewhere around that time frame when they came out with that thing.
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And they put a bunch of people on an island out at the same company island off the coast
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of California and they come up, came up with these, the Seathos and then they distributed
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to the Seal teams.
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In the meantime, I mean, while we were in the midst of the war, there was a Seal ethos that
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was unofficial before then that I have.
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And I'm pretty sure it was developed in Vietnam and it's legit and I'm not going to post
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it because it's not out there.
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You can't find it anywhere.
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I'm never going to post it, but it's hard core.
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And when I read this ethos, first I was like, "Okay, we're trying to be like the Rangers,
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although there's history to it.
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They just didn't all of a sudden put a bunch of people in a room and try to come up with
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a good idea and put it out there to keep guys from getting in trouble," which would seem
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like this was about.
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But to me, I read like the Dunder Mifflin mission statement and for those that follow
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the office, you can get online, I think it's in the beginning and I'm going to get the
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book wrong, but it might be in one of Malcolm Gladwell's books or maybe it's in Drive or
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why.
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Anyway, it's one of those types of books where it puts that out there and you read it and
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you're like, "Oh, that's interesting.
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I don't know what company is that from."
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And then at the end, when you get to the end, after the author talks about it, it's like,
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"This is from Dunder Mifflin from the office," and it just read like that to me.
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And so I was kind of like, "It just never sat."
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Well, it seemed like it was a bunch of senior-level people that got together and came up with
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some good ideas in the military.
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We call it the "good idea fairy" that really floats down usually from on high, not always
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but a lot of the time.
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And they put out this fairly, I don't know, I don't know, it's just, it's kind of like
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the, I equate it to, for those that know, I might get the HK-23, which was, and I might,
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I don't want to mess up my nomenclature, because people do check you these days.
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Right.
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But it was the huge HK-45 pistol that came out probably a few years before I came in the
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military.
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But by the time I got to my first SEAL team in '97, we had these things, and they were
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enormous.
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It was like the Princess Lea Blaster from Star Wars, for those that remember that movie.
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And no one used it after September 11th.
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As soon as September 11th hit, those things went kind of in the dumpster, I guess, or,
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you know, whatever.
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They got sent back to HK or sent back to Crane Indiana, wherever they go, but I never saw
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one downrange.
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It was a gigantic pistol, and it was all the good ideas that people had.
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Hey, we went this, we went this, we went this, we went this, and so HK built it with all
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those great ideas.
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And guess what?
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No one ever used it.
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It's my knowledge, anyway, in combat, because it had all those great ideas, and they just
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shoved them all in there.
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So that's kind of what that ethos looked like to me.
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It was a bunch of people getting together, putting some good ideas together, and making
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that HK 23 pistol that no one used in real life.
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And my thought was kind of like, hey, if you need, at this point, someone to tell you
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to write this out for you, you're probably in the wrong line of work here.
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So that was just, those were my thoughts for the first time I saw it, and so it never
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sat well with me.
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And then senior level leaders could always point to that thing anytime anybody got in
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trouble.
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Hey, look at the ethos that we just made up five minutes ago.
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It was always seemed like one of those senior level officer and then senior level, super
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senior level enlisted, not the tactical level guys that are doing the work, but the guys
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that are sitting in the rooms at the meetings coming up with those good ideas and then pushing
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them down to the front lines and not having to live with the consequences of those decisions.
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So it just never sat well with me for those reasons.
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Well, and with that, you see this kind of management by committee, one of those great
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ideas that come down on high, and then obviously someone had the great idea that we were going
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to remove the gendered language from the ethos.
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So since you're not really a big fan of the ethos, anyway, would it be fair to say that
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maybe you don't really care if the gendered language is removed, or you feel like that's
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maybe endemic of something bigger?
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You know, I'm kind of numb to all of this at this point, especially since this last election
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and the events of the summer, which is a terrible thing to say.
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But it's kind of like, yeah, of course they're going to do that.
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Of course, they're going to take this Dender Mifflin thing and make it even worse because
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that's what they what they do.
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So I don't know.
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It's just kind of one of those things like wonderful.
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We're all in that trajectory.
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I don't see any I don't see things turning around anytime soon, unfortunately.
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Does it make us a stronger force?
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Any of that?
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No, I don't think so.
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And neither did the most of the people to my right and left, at least the ones that I
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talked to about it back in the day.
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So to me, it always comes back to me, what is this going to make us a stronger fighting
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force?
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And if that answer is yes, oh, wonderful.
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And if not, then why are we doing it?
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Hey, fair enough.
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And guys, don't worry, we're going to get way deeper into some of those cultural issues
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later on in this podcast, but I would be remiss if we had a Jack Carr podcast and didn't
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talk about the novels.
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So as most of you guys know, at this point, there are the three novels you've released
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so far, the terminal list, true believer and savage son, and they are absolutely fantastic.
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They really are.
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And this is coming from a guy that I talk about a lot in this podcast.
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I don't read fiction.
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I don't do it.
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It's like my brain doesn't really connect.
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It's hard for me to keep people straight.
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You know, it's like I have PTSD from all the Stephen King novels I tried to read back in
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the day because there's 74 main characters and they live in 17 different planets.
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And so it's just like I can't, I can't really get it.
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And then you get to the end of the novel and everything just explodes anyway.
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But then you've got the fourth novel coming out April 13th of 2021.
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Guys, it is available for pre-order.
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It's called the devil's hand.
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So just in general, without spoiling everything, don't worry, we'll spoil everything after
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I stop recording.
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You can just tell me what happens, but what can readers expect from the fourth novel?
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Yeah.
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So I always wanted to explore because I was thinking about it while I was in.
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So it's one of these questions I wanted to explore for years and that I've been thinking
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of professionally and personally for years.
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And that is, what has the enemy been learning from us over what is now almost 20 years
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at war?
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So essentially, you know, we've been in Iraq and Afghanistan and we've been in a few other
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places around the world and our enemy has been able, well, the ones that we've been fighting
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have been able to adapt and they've adapted, we've adapted, that's part of warfare, but
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we've had other people watching.
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We've had China watching, we've had Russia watching, we've had North Korea watching,
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we've had Iran watching and participating through proxies and they've been learning.
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And I thought was a, if I was the enemy watching us on the battlefield for these last 20 years,
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what would I have learned?
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What would I have incorporated into my battle plan?
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And so that's the really the theme of this next novel here and I explore that through
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a bio weapon that, and it's interesting, I was studying bio weapons well before COVID
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hit.
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So I started studying these in the fall of last year, this time last year, and started
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to research, started to talk to people involved in bio weapons research and bio weapon vaccines
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and that sort of thing and formulating how I was going to approach this from the enemy's
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point of view and then COVID hit.
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So I was hypersensitive to all of this when COVID hit.
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And then I thought, then you come up with, well, now do I need to incorporate COVID into
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the novel?
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And different authors are doing different things.
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And for me, COVID, the civil unrest of the summer, all these things, they've been so front
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and center in my mind and in many other citizens' minds that I figured out, well, I thought
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I can't not include this.
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I can't not incorporate these things into this fourth novel, well, for a variety of reasons.
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And so that's why I incorporated that as well and it worked right into the storyline.
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So main point is that I got to look at what we've been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan for
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these last 20 years through the enemy's eyes and then figure out, hey, what would I do if
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I wanted to hit us while we were down?
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And would COVID and would the riots of this past summer, would that accelerate my planning
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with that, would I factor that in as well?
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And so that's the devil's hand coming in April.
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Well, hey, guys, if that doesn't get you excited to pick that book up, I don't know
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what will.
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But again, I think the fact that the first three books are so accessible, and I don't
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mean that just because you can go and order it on Amazon, I mean, literally they're accessible
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because they're an easy to follow story.
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You can find yourself in the story somewhere without really ruining anything at different
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points during the terminal list.
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And I was listening to it, which by the way, who's at Ray Porter?
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Ray Porter.
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Yeah.
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Dude, he does an amazing, amazing job.
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He really brings you into the story at different points.
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That's a great eye, too.
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At different points, listening to the terminal list, I was getting angry.
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Like while I'm driving in my car, like I'm sad for the main characters.
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And again, I won't go any further.
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So guys, if you haven't really started those three books, if you haven't gotten into them,
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whether you're a reader or an e-reader or, you know, an audio book person, you can definitely
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get those done before April, next year, so you can be right in line with the devil's
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hand.
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But the thing that I'm curious about, and there's a couple of things that really came
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to mind for me as I'm going through these books.
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And I guess it leads to this two part question, is what percentage of James Reese is Jack
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Carr?
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And then with that in mind, are you ever planning to retire James Reese?
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Because there are some, there are some novelists that, you know, they just kind of run that
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person dry and there's really no other things that they can add.
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There's no other romantic interest.
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There's no other, you know, bombs for them to, you know, turn off.
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But you know, what percentage are you the main character in?
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Do you see yourself ever letting James Reese go?
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Right.
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So the main character James Reese is a prior enlisted Navy SEAL sniper, which I was.
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He becomes an officer at some point, which I did.
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And then when the reader meets him in the first novel, he is on his last deployment to
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Afghanistan.
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And he's coming home and he knows that after this deployment, he's going to hang it up
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because this is the last time that he's going to tactically maneuver guys in the battlefield
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again.
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And that was my last deployment and it might happen to be to Iraq.
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But I knew that was going to be the last deployment where I would tactically maneuver
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guys on the battlefield.
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After that, yes, you're a quote unquote leader in the military, but you're not out, you're
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not out front.
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You're not kicking the doors in with the guys.
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You're not.
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And the guys don't want you out there at that point.
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So even though you would be a team CO commanding officer, you'd be back in the tactical operation
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center.
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You're allocating assets.
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You're doing that sort of thing.
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You're not out there in the front.
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And I knew that that's what I came in to do.
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I came in to fight.
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I came in to lead and I knew that after the last deployment to Iraq, that my family needed
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me.
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So it was time to get out and take care of my family.
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So, so those things are all very closely tied to the main character.
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Now, of course, he is a much better shot than I am.
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He is much better at Jiu Jitsu than I am.
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He is much faster, much stronger, much whittier.
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All these things.
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He drives the same vehicle I do.
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He likes a 1988 Land Cruiser, which has been my driveway.
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So so there are some similarities there and it helps because I don't have to go and find
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a sniper and talk to him about what it was like in Ramadi 2005-2006 and then filter that
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interview or what I think I learned from that interview through whatever biases I have through
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my life experience and then apply it to a fictional character on the written page.
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I don't have to do that.
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And I can think about, I can remember what it was like to go into Ramadi, you know, five
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and oh six and set up cyber positions and do all that sort of thing and then I can apply
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that to a completely fictional narrative.
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And I think that's what really made the book stand out to Simon & Schuster, who sees thousands
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of these things every year, that terminal is stood out to them and I think it's because
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I took those experiences from Iraq and Afghanistan primarily and applied not the exact experience
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but the emotion and the feelings behind those experiences to a completely fictional narrative.
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So as someone is reading it, the emotions read raw, authentic and real and that's because
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they are, because they come from a real place.
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It's not the interviewing somebody and being like ah, that sounds amazing, but I'm going
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to apply that to this character that I'm writing.
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No, it's what it was like in those places, but it's just applied to this fictional narrative.
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So I think that made it stand out.
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And then will I ever retire James Reese?
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We will see.
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I have a lot of ideas.
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So when I first sat down to start the first novel, I wrote six, seven, eight different ideas
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down on like one page, executive summaries essentially.
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So some were paragraphs, some were two paragraphs, some were a full page, but it would be like
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reading the back flap jacket of a book, like what is this book about?
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What's that general theme?
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And then I looked at all those and I chose the terminal list because it was just a visceral
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story of revenge and those always appealed to me, both watching films and reading growing
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up.
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So that's the one that I knew I had to start with.
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That's how I knew I needed to introduce James Reese to the reader was through that story.
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But those other ones that I had written down, those are other six, seven, eight different
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ideas, those are morphing into the next novel.
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So I don't think that I'll ever come up, not be able to come up with an idea or there's
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so many different ideas, so many different things I want to explore through this character
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who has a similar background to mine.
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I don't see myself retiring him any time soon, but hey, you never know, you never know.
24:52
Hey, that's music tall of our ears because we don't want to see James Reese go away.
24:55
But one thing I did want to hop on before we go on to other topics is you mentioned
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earlier that Chris Pratt, he has signed on and he has bought the rights.
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They're going to be making the terminal lists and Amazon and Amazon show.
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It's going to be something that's coming out.
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But the problem for me as a fan and all the other fans is as soon as that information
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came out, everybody was excited, we're like, this is going to be so great.
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And then we haven't heard any other information.
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And I don't know if that's because of COVID or there were delays of some kind.
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So we want to know when we're going to be seeing Chris Pratt behind the glass on Amazon.
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Well, that stuff is classified to have the seventh episode right here.
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So I'm working on the scripts.
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So scripts are almost it's an eight episode series and someone sent me a screenshot of
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the cat.
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I think it's called a casting call.
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I'm not exactly sure.
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I'm still new to all this.
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But for all the other parts, so I think that went out yesterday or at least maybe a couple
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of days ago.
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Maybe it was an older screenshot, but they're just starting to cast the other characters
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right now.
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So sometime in the first part of 2021, I don't think I can get in trouble for saying
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that filming should start and then it should come out sometime after that.
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So, so we shall see, but it can always derail.
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You know, I always keep my expectations low, although it's looking looking great.
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Chris optioned it before the first book, even hit shelves.
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And he's super fired up.
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He just called the other day and we were talking about it because now he shifted in his mind.
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He finished up Jurassic.
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This last part of movie, Jurassic Park.
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And now he shifted focus to get ready for the terminal list.
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So he's going to start, he's going to get in shape.
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He's going to shoot.
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He's going to learn the blade work.
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He's going to be rolling, doing the jiu-jitsu and get ready for to become James Reese in
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this series.
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So he's super fired up and it was awesome to talk to him and just sense that that switch
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has flipped.
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And he's he's he's now focused on on this project.
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So it's awesome.
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Very good.
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Well, there you go guys.
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There's your update.
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We're going to move on to some some larger topics, but before we get there, you know, it'd
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be kind of silly if I didn't ask you about your everyday carry, your EDC.
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So I have if you follow me on Instagram, you'll notice that that I do have quite a few blades
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and more than a couple firearms.
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I don't typically like to show all of them, but you'd be safe to assume that I have more
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than one.
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And I but my everyday carry, I do like things right out of the box.
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I don't like I have plenty of pistols that are super tricked out, you know, from Terrence
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Tactical and Zev and a bunch of 1911 gunsmiths and that sort of thing.
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But I'll tell you, I do really like knowing that right out of the box, I like knowing all
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that research, all that testing that went in to these pistols and, you know, maybe I
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switch out the sights, something like that.
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But even though I have a bunch of stuff that's super tricked out, I do like to carry an out
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of the box 365 and they have great sites coming right out of the box.
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Right.
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You know, the Glock like I've had a Glock 43 when that came out.
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Of course, you got to switch out the Glock sights immediately.
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But yeah, right now it's unless and if I want something a little, a little beefier, then
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yeah, that SIG 320 X compact is the one that I go with.
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But I do that in a black point tactical holster.
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I love their mini wing has these little like leather flaps on the side.
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So it kind of contorts to your body a little bit better.
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And so that's that's the pistol and then have a couple of different knives I go with.
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I have one that I use to opening boxes and, you know, cutting cardboard and all that sort
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of thing.
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And that changes depending on, you know, what I grab, what drawer I open is I'm trying
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to get out of a house and juggle the kids and make sure that the dog's gone out right
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before we leave, whatever, just like everybody else.
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And then the two fixed blades that I really like these days are the dynamis blade and
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that one goes into appendix carry.
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And then the amtac blade, the Northman by my friend, Bill Rapier, both of those are
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seal design knives.
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And I really like this, this amtac lately, because you can go in my pocket and I have
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these dynamis jeans that have another spot for it.
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So when I'm putting my hands in my pockets, I'm not like raking my hand across this, you
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know, this thing that's that's in my pocket that is scratching my hand as it comes out
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or it's uncomfortable, whatever.
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There's another spot for it right there on my side.
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So it's right there and it's the clips fan clips are great these days, you know, they're
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amazing, both on holsters and for blades.
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So that's pretty much what, what I'm leaving, what I'm, what I grab when I leave the house,
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you know, other than the phone and the wallet, of course, but one fixed blade, one blade
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for opening packages that's a folder.
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And then that 365 these days or the, or the X compact.
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Very good.
29:35
I do want to get into something because you brought it up a few times you've alluded to
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it in this conversation.
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It's just the unrest that we saw as a country and really just as a people that summer.
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And so you had the racial unrest after the killing of George Floyd, you've had just
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overall societal upheaval and then you had all the drama that was brought along with
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COVID and the, the presidential election, which were kind of technically passed, but
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not quite yet.
29:57
As of this exact moment, you had to defund the police movement, yet, yet all these things
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happen.
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But from your perspective, seeing what you've seen in other countries and just being an
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American for as long as you've been an American, what's kind of your read on, on this summer
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and really the fall that we've had as a country and maybe what it's done to us as a people.
30:14
Yeah, so I mean, the first word that comes to mind when you, when you ask that question
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is it's been, it's been heartbreaking to watch.
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It's, it's tough because you're seeing different, you know, segments of society that want to
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take rights away that people died, people came back missing arms and limbs, people came
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back completely changed because of the physical and emotional trauma of the battlefield from
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the inception of this country up through today and it seems like sections of this country
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just want to throw that aside and don't really, haven't really put the requisite thought into
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what that means and to what those people sacrificed so that we could have the freedoms and the
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options and the opportunities that we all have today.
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It's, so for me, it's, it's heartbreaking to see that as a, as a student of history, citizen
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of this country who's put in as much time as I can and continue to study how we got here
31:10
as a nation with what people sacrificed along the way.
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Some of the reasons we have, some of the rights that we have, understanding that they don't
31:18
come from the government, the government doesn't grant any of these to us, they are the people
31:23
that work in government are our employees, we elect them and they just get more and more
31:29
powerful day by day crisis by crisis and they never give it back.
31:35
So for me, it's been heartbreaking to watch all that, especially knowing what, what people
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have sacrificed and if you have seen people sacrifice everything on the battlefield in
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defense of this country in defense of freedom and so it's, it's tough to watch and I think
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about my kids, what are they learning from this because when I grew up, I was a very,
31:57
a formative news for the events where things that I naturally gravitated to and wanted
32:01
to know more about anyway.
32:02
I wanted to know about the Iranian hostage crisis, you know, when I saw that, I saw Walter
32:06
Cronkite on our, on our TV, I saw the, the front page of the newspaper every morning,
32:11
then we had a string of terrorist events through the 80s, that's really my formative time growing
32:16
up and you had time and Newsweek primarily in our house and you'd see a hijacked plane
32:20
on the front of that or, you know, you'd see a Grenada, you know, and I naturally gravitated
32:26
towards these things and read about them, Marine, Marine, Barracks bombing, of course,
32:31
you know, all these different events that, that really formed and impacted me and I think,
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gosh, what am I kids learning?
32:37
And there's those same age that I was in the 80s and what are they getting by seeing and
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now, of course, I saw a newspaper, I saw a five minute segment on a half hour news program
32:50
in the evening and then the TV changed, you know, I saw a magazine or newspaper or, so
32:56
they're seeing it all the time and we're guilty of this.
32:58
We have the TV going in the house and we're watching the news and they're getting bombarded
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with things on their social media, because they're, our daughter's old enough to have
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a phone and, you know, that's how she communicates with her friends is through these, it's not
33:12
even texting, it's through the social, social apps, it's a very strange thing, but that's,
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that's the world we live in today.
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So I can imagine what they're getting bombarded with and I'm just curious what it's doing
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to them, seeing the summer of every night of, of writing and seeing it portrayed in one
33:30
way by one segment and another way by another segment of the population and by news media.
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It's very powerful by tech companies, by tech oligarchs that are very powerful.
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So I do wonder about that and I do think about that quite often and I don't know how it's
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affecting them.
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And so for us, you know, we try to get outside as much as we can, we try to put all these
33:51
devices down and get out hunting, we try to get out to at least one river trip a year
33:55
when you're in the bottom of river canyon, we can't be, there's no cell signal, you're
33:59
not getting any Wi-Fi, so there's no excuse to even check on a device.
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So, but it's tough, it's tough, I don't know what, what all that's doing to these kids,
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that's something I think about a lot.
34:10
Well, let's talk about that even a little bit further because one of the refreshing things
34:13
from your Instagram is you do these history lessons and you'll talk about things that
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have happened that aren't really taught in school or a lot of schools that may be I attended,
34:20
but you look at the education system right now in America and there are kids that are
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growing up in K through 12 schools, not learning about the Holocaust.
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They're not knowing or understanding the dangers of socialism or communism in those ideologies.
34:34
And so for you as a parent, but also just as an American, does that concern you at all?
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Like where do you see this going, because everyone likes to talk about how divided we
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are, but we're super divided ideologically and it's along some of those lines and kids
34:48
just aren't learning it, they're having to learn it from YouTube videos of Jordan Peterson
34:52
or you know, reading the Gulag Archipelago, but where do you see this going for us?
34:56
Right, I mean, parents have to take an active role in this and it's tough because you're
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competing with a school system, you're competing with social media platforms that can feed
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you certain things, you're competing with a Google search that puts, can put something
35:11
at the top of that search as these kids are doing their research for certain things and
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it started well before this, but my first exposure to some of this was in my high school
35:21
reading and I might mess up the exact title, but I think it's People's History of the United
35:25
States by Howard Zinn.
35:27
So that one came in and I was like, what on earth is this?
35:31
And I'm like, well, some of this is semi-interesting here, but let me do a little more research.
35:37
So I guess I liked that it was something maybe a little different, but then I was like, wait
35:42
a second, it was also a warning, it was also like, okay, I see what's going on here.
35:48
So I guess I'm glad I was exposed to it, but I also had the wherewithal to realize what
35:53
it was, even back then, and to be able to do my own research.
35:56
My mom was a librarian, so I grew up surrounded by books and a love of reading, so I could
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go to the library, I could research these things.
36:02
I had a foundation already, my grandfather was killed in World War II, so I had this personal
36:08
connection to service and to sacrifice through that example that he gave to me just through
36:14
the pictures of him with his squadron, his medals, and the silk maps they gave aviators
36:18
back then, that sort of thing.
36:19
So I had this tie to that, and I was always interested in unconventional warfare, in terrorism,
36:25
in warfare, in the founding of this country.
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What made this group of people think they could rise up against the most powerful military
36:31
the earth had ever seen at that point.
36:34
And so all those things kind of gave me a foundation from which to read in and not be
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like, oh, okay, just accepted at face value, write a paper, and move on to my next class.
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I realized what it was, even back then.
36:47
So today, I think parents need to take a very active role in this, and they need to be aware
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of what their kids are learning, particularly in history, and in social studies, quote unquote,
37:00
and be able to counter some of that at home, being able to point kids in the right direction,
37:04
maybe some other books, some other places where they can get information that isn't tainted
37:13
by that ideology that makes us all want to feel guilty about what we've done and what
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we've accomplished as a country.
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So yeah, I do think about that quite a bit as well.
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When that leads to just dads being engaged, doesn't it?
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I mean, because if you're a dad that's disengaged, you're not understanding and you're not communicating
37:32
with your kids, you don't know what they're being taught at school.
37:34
You don't know ways that you can counteract some of those silly ideologies that they might
37:37
be getting from a teacher or something like that.
37:40
But I think that this overall speaks to the current state of manhood in America.
37:45
Even just yesterday, I was watching this clip from a new HBO documentary about trans kids,
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and there's this mom that's basically telling their young son, who's manifesting as a girl
37:55
at the moment, kind of what they're going to do and how they're going to go out and talk
37:59
about his transgenderism, and the dad is just sitting there the whole time, and this kid
38:03
is complaining, he doesn't want to do it.
38:05
And I'm just sitting there, and I'm just like, all I can do is focus on the dad.
38:08
The clip is meant to focus on mom and the child, but dad's just sitting there silent.
38:13
And there's so many silent men that are standing by and allowing these things to happen because
38:17
they're either disengaged or they've just become super beta, they've lost their nuts,
38:22
however you want to say it.
38:23
But from your perspective, seeing what you've seen being in the hyper masculine world of
38:28
the military and the Navy seals, what do you think the state of manhood in America is right
38:32
now?
38:33
Yeah.
38:34
So I don't really think of it in those in those terms.
38:37
I think of it more of the tactical level, maybe I should elevate that to the operational
38:42
or strategic level, but you know, for us, it's all about who you surround yourself with
38:47
and what your kids are seeing for us anyway, like how does, how do I treat my wife?
38:53
Do I open that open the door for her when she comes to a stand up for a woman when she walks
38:57
in there and most of those things that that we grew up learning.
39:01
Now, when we get outside, I forgot our daughter outside very early, got her out hunting very
39:06
early.
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And luckily, she expressed an interest.
39:09
So it wasn't me pulling her down in camp or anything like that.
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She just really expressed an interest.
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And I was like, yes, let's go.
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Let's do this.
39:16
So she started shooting very early.
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She got her first deer at age seven.
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She has a couple of help now.
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We've all been to Africa together.
39:24
But in those early experiences outside at hunting camp, she got to see men being men.
39:31
She got to learn how to handle a firearm properly.
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She got to learn a little about the history of that firearm, why we have these rights.
39:40
And that personal responsibility, that independence that comes with being around firearms, going
39:47
outside, putting a bullet into a living breathing animal, and then taking that meat and putting
39:52
it in the freezer and then sharing it with the family.
39:55
So I think those things are very important because it's not you just sitting your kids
40:00
on the couch and telling them something and then they run back off to their game.
40:04
Like, I don't think that's, I don't think that might help a tiny bit, but it's not moving
40:09
the needle.
40:10
There's just so many other inputs these days, but what does move the needle is putting these
40:14
things down, getting out there, getting outside, being around other people and they get to
40:19
see, ah, this is what you, ah, this is how you, you know, this is what happens when
40:23
the four wheeler runs out of gas when you're two miles down the road, or this is what happens
40:27
when you don't care for it and you come back to it after six months of not, it's not being
40:31
used.
40:32
And this is what you do.
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And, ah, this is what happens when you wound an animal, this is how you track it.
40:38
And this is why you train with that firearm and you know your limitations, you know your
40:42
capabilities with that firearm, because that's what you owe to this animal.
40:46
Um, so it's really about that primal nature, that foundational, that base that, that, ah,
40:53
all of us, we've only been able to survive without being good fighters and good hunters
40:59
for a very small portion of human history, the tiniest portion of human history, ah, up
41:05
until this point, up until this sliver that we live in now, you had to be a good fighter,
41:10
you had to be a good hunter, or your family wouldn't eat, your tribe wouldn't eat, ah,
41:13
and guess what?
41:14
Your whole tribe would die because another tribe would overrun yours.
41:19
So I think going back to those roots and having a connection to the land, having a connection
41:24
to the food on your table, um, I think for both men and women, ah, for girls and boys
41:30
as they're growing up, I think that's a, there's something about that that really you can't
41:34
replicate anywhere else.
41:35
You can't replicate just by handing them a book and hope they read it, or by turning
41:39
on, ah, you know, a half hour show and hoping they won't be distracted and hoping they'll
41:43
take those lessons to heart before they run back to the room or go outside and play soccer
41:46
or whatever.
41:47
Um, it's really about immersing yourself outside in that environment, but there's a difference
41:52
between just going on a hike, ah, going rock climbing, going ice climbing, mountaineering,
41:56
backpacking, which are all wonderful things, but there's a difference between going out
42:00
and doing those types of things with a firearm, with a bow, and then with the goal of bringing
42:07
meat back to feed your family, there's just something different about that.
42:11
That's great.
42:12
And I love the way that you framed that.
42:13
And before we move on to the last section of the podcast here, I noticed something that
42:16
you, that you said a little bit earlier, you talked about how the government, the United
42:20
States government, ah, specifically, they did not come up with these rights.
42:24
They don't grant us these rights.
42:25
They basically can build a structure that acknowledges them.
42:29
So obviously when people normally bring that up, they bring it up in some sort of a Judeo-Christian
42:34
context in a creator type context, but one thing that I haven't heard you speak about
42:38
very much is your own personal faith.
42:40
It's not really something that comes out in the novels either, but again, your, your
42:43
Jack Carr, you're not James Reese, but in terms of your, your personal faith, what is
42:47
it that, that you believe that you would like to share with, with our audience here in terms
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of, you know, why we're all here, the reason for everything, how we got here to begin with,
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where would you say you land on all that?
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Yeah.
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So you're right.
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I don't talk about it too often.
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Um, it does come up every now and again, but I have a, uh, uh, King James version Bible
43:05
right here next to me because we're in the move, uh, maybe a box is everywhere, but that
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was something that was given to me by my great grandmother and, uh, it's right here next
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to me.
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It's something that I, it didn't just go in a box.
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It went, uh, it came with me.
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So, um, and we have a bigger family Bible out in the, in the front room, but it, you
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know, so I did, I did grow up that way.
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I did grow up going to church with my family, going to Sunday school with my family.
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And man, those lessons that you learn from those stories, they, they're important.
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They're not just important in a, in a religious sense.
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They're, they're important in a historical context, uh, to be able to move through this
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world and be able to go back to those stories, to those lessons, to be able to discuss them
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with other people, have them as a common touch point.
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Um, and guess a good example of that is, so I went to buds and went through hell week
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in 1997.
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Guess what?
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I have something in common with somebody that went through buds and hell week in 1967,
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1977.
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Uh, and we'll go through next week, um, that sort of thing.
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So to have something, to have a common story, a common heritage that we can all link back
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to, we can all reference is, it makes us a stronger country, a stronger citizenry.
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And we're definitely losing that over time.
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And it's being replaced by things, uh, like the religion of climate change, maybe, or
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something along those lines, something that isn't really, uh, a religion isn't really
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a faith.
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Um, isn't, uh, doesn't have a foundation in stories that have a lesson attached to them
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that is designed to make us better people and to make us be able to get along with others.
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Uh, golden rule.
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I mean, my goodness, treat others as you'd like to be treated and social media only makes
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that worse.
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It's just, it's, it's, I think about that almost daily when I see people that have to
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be mean, negative and nasty, uh, to each other on social media, totally unnecessarily.
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And probably using time that should be spent allocated elsewhere, using bandwidth that
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could be focused in a positive direction instead they choose to take that time, take
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that energy, take that very limited bandwidth, uh, that they only have so much of them.
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We don't know how many days we're going to have on this earth.
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And they decide to be mean and nasty unnecessarily to someone that they don't even know on social
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media.
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It's fact, it's actually fascinating to me and I'll probably explore it in future novels.
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Yeah, it's fascinating and terrifying all at the same time.
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But as long as you realize that's not something that anyone would ever say to their face,
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you can kind of deal with it a little bit better, but I definitely appreciate that perspective.
45:46
And, uh, we're going to be wrapping this interview up here very soon because I know you got to
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go to another one of these interviews here in just a second, but we got one more segment
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left for you.
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It's called what would you say to someone that said?
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And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to say that and then I'm going to give you some
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sort of a topic and you've got, you know, 15 seconds, 30 seconds maximum to just give
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me the meat and potatoes answer regardless of if it has a lot more nuance because I guarantee
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you it will, but it's just we want to get the right off the top of the head responses to
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some of these things.
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So what would you say to someone that said, do you think you're up for it?
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So I'm up for it, but I'm going to tell you that I'm an author because I am not good at
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things like this because I can, I can sleep on them.
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I can think of them.
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I can think about the best thing you could possibly say in this certain situation.
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And that might take a month to figure out.
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It certainly isn't off the cuff.
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So so we'll see how it goes here.
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Also I've learned I need to take a breath when I see something on social media like we
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just talked about, it's my take a breath and not respond and come back to it a day later
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and be kind.
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Well, we're all about making people uncomfortable and stretching you just a hair.
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So I think you'll do okay.
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Your buddy Steven Pressfield did all right with it.
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So I feel like you could do at least as good as he did.
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So here we go.
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Let's launch in.
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What would you say to someone that said, I don't want my kids to be in special operations?
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I understand it.
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I definitely understand that perspective as a parent, no doubt about it.
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So I would say I understand that.
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But you know, like with all the things we don't want our kids to do, it's probably not
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going to help if we try to keep them out.
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Right.
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All right.
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Next rapid fire question here.
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What would you say to someone that said, I don't need to read anymore.
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I'm not in school.
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Oh, that's all I can say.
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That's a common one.
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That's horrible.
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I just kind of shake my head at that one.
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But hey, to each their own, you know, to each their own, but I would encourage people
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to read regardless of what it is, just because it's, you probably need a richer, fuller
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life.
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And by that, I don't mean in the monetary sense.
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Absolutely.
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And if you wanted to start with something, start with the terminal list and then just
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go for that.
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That's a great place to go.
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There you go.
47:56
There's your plug.
47:57
What would you say to someone that said, the USA needs a viable third political party?
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Oh, man.
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They might be right.
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You know, that's a such a tough one because we're so ingrained in these two different
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parties and one, and now they're so ideologically opposed to one another that I would say there
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may be a time and a place for that.
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All right.
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Next one here.
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What would you say to someone that said the United States of America will have a second
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civil war?
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Hmm.
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I would say study your history.
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Fair enough.
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I love it.
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I would say that there is no place for social justice in the United States military.
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I would say that, yeah, social justice in the United States military, yeah, it's probably
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not a good place to experiment with these things.
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Does it make us stronger as a nation, as a military, as a fighting force?
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And if the answer is no, then get it out of there.
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All right.
48:54
Just a few more left.
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What would you say to someone that said the Biden administration will be terrible for
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our foreign policy and military?
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Oh, geez, I'm trying to get you in trouble.
49:04
All right.
49:05
So let's just go ahead and wade into it.
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Yeah.
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I'd say I'm numb to all this at this point, and I would probably, yeah, roll my eyes and
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we shall see.
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Yeah.
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We're so diametrically opposed right now and it's, yeah, tough to watch, but we shall
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see.
49:22
All right.
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Two more left.
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What would you say to someone that said, I feel like I'm supposed to write a book, but
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I don't know where to start at the beginning.
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Just do it, like just like eating elephant one bite at a time.
49:33
So yeah, it's not going to get down without you sitting down and doing the work.
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Last question of the day.
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What would you say to someone that said, I don't need to learn how to protect myself.
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That's what the police and military are for.
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I would say watch the news over the past few months, watch the news of the summer.
49:51
That's a tough one when you hear that because it's so, it seems so obvious and it is tough
49:57
for me because it's so obvious to me.
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I don't understand how someone would not want to protect that gift of life and to rely on
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someone else and then rely on someone else's goodwill and by someone else's goodwill.
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I mean, the enemy's will.
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I mean, a criminal's will not to hurt you.
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Once again, get goes back to our responsibility as leaders, as fathers, as men to be able
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to defend ourselves and our families.
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That is our primary responsibility.
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So when someone says that, I don't even know how to respond.
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Well, that is a great way to end this, Jack.
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We have talked about a lot of different things in this podcast.
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We went over everything, but that is all for me.
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Is there anything else you want to get off your chest?
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Oh, thank you so much.
50:41
I have like three minutes till I need to get to my next thing, but yeah, people can follow
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me on Jack Carr USA on the social channels and then there's some merchandise out there
50:53
that I send 100% of the proceeds to the charitable foundations that are highlighted on my site
51:00
and they are all better and focused organizations where I have a personal touch point.
51:04
So it's not just a foundation that had a nice website.
51:07
It's someplace that helped a friend of mine and I send all that there.
51:13
So that's a Jack Carr USA.com.
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So that is it.
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But thank you.
51:19
I want to thank everybody for all their support.
51:20
That's for sure.
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We talked about earlier, this was all a grass roots effort and I sincerely appreciate it
51:26
on them.
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Forget it.
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All right, guys.
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I'll make sure all those links are in the show notes, but Jack Carr, thanks for coming
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on on Daunted Life, a man's podcast.
51:34
Thank you so much for having me on.
51:35
Let's do it again sometime.
51:36
We'll do.
51:37
There you go, guys.
51:40
Thanks so much for listening to this interview and I just got to give a special shout out
51:44
here at the end of this episode.
51:45
I meant to say it at the beginning, but Steven Pressfield, thank you so much for those of
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you guys you've listened to the episode that I did with Steven Pressfield.
51:52
You're familiar with his books, but he has very good friends with Jack Carr.
51:55
I think we even talked about Jack on the podcast interview I did with Steven, but he
51:59
was integral in getting me connected with Jack and he would connected me while he was
52:03
writing the devil's hand.
52:05
And so he was literally in the thick of it and the thick of editing and all the things
52:08
he was doing, trying to get that fourth novel out to you guys, but Steven was able to kind
52:11
of help get me through everything to get this interview done.
52:14
So big shout out to Steven Pressfield.
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I really appreciate it.
52:16
And guys, don't worry, I got some special things coming up for Steven Pressfield at the
52:19
beginning of the year.
52:20
So be on the lookout for that.
52:22
But before we let you go, we are going to do a quick resilience boost.
52:24
As you know, by now, we are a men's ministry and our mission is cultivating mainly resilience.
52:28
Specifically, we do that by providing you content like this podcast that helps you forge spiritual
52:33
mental and physical toughness.
52:34
So for today, here are the links I got for you.
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I got a link to Jack Carr's website.
52:38
So if you want to go and buy any of the stuff he was talking about there at the end, you
52:41
want to find a way to buy his books, you want to follow him on social media, that is
52:44
a great place to go that kind of gets you to all those different areas, then I've also
52:47
got the YouTube video of his interview on the Joe Rogan experience.
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I was Joe Rogan experience 1467.
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That link is here in the last one is an article that I didn't really get time to talk to him
52:56
about.
52:57
But it was an article that he wrote for Town Hall.
52:59
That's I think is a conservative kind of think tank website, but it's called our obligation
53:03
to fight and considering where we are in our society, considering where we are with a lot
53:08
of things around self defense.
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And I know some people are really worried that if Joe Biden is actually going to take
53:13
over the White House, he's signaled about Beto O'Rourke, maybe being his, his guns are
53:17
and he's talked about all these different things, but it's going to be an interesting
53:20
time for Second Amendment lovers like Jack Carr, myself and a lot of you guys listening
53:24
to this.
53:25
So I think that's a really important article for you, but it even goes way past guns way
53:28
past the Second Amendment, just to the whole concept of us taking care of ourselves, the
53:31
whole concept of us protecting ourselves and how a lot of these politicians that are walking
53:36
around with, you know, six figure security guards all day, every day that are armed.
53:40
It's interesting that they're telling us how and when we can use our firearm.
53:43
So anyway, that's a good one to check out.
53:45
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