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This is on Daunted Life Man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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You guys on September 30th of this year, so this was just about a week ago as a recording
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of this podcast, Chrissy Teigen.
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It's a name you might know.
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She's a very famous model and celebrity and she is married to a very famous singer and
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celebrity named John Legend, but she posted on her social media that her and her husband,
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John Legend, they let everyone know that they had suffered a miscarriage.
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She let everyone know by posting across all of her different social media accounts and
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she has millions and millions and millions of followers, and guys, they were just gut
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wrenching pictures.
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I mean, on Twitter, there was just this one picture.
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She's kind of slumped over in a bed.
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It's clearly a delivery room bed.
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There's a nurse in the background and she's just, you know, she's got her gown on and
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she's crying and it's absolutely saddening.
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And then some of the other pictures, like on her Instagram, if you scroll through, you
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will see pictures of her and John Legend, you know, she's holding the baby and they're both
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kind of cuddling.
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This absolutely, absolutely gut wrenching.
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And I'm going to go ahead and read what she posted.
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So she posted a few paragraphs on her different social medias, but it was all the same message.
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So go ahead and read that here.
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So it's quote, we are shocked and in the kind of deep pain you only hear about the kind
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of pain we've never felt before.
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We were never able to stop the bleeding and give our baby the fluids he needed despite
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bags and bags of blood transfusions.
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It just wasn't enough.
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We never decide on our baby's names until the last possible moment after they're born.
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Just before we leave the hospital, but we for some reason had started to call the little
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guy in my belly Jack.
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So we so he will always be Jack to us.
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Jack worked so hard to be part of our little family and he will be forever to our Jack.
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I'm so sorry that the first few moments of your life were met with so many complications
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that we couldn't give you the home you needed to survive.
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We will always love you.
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Thank you to everyone who has been sending us positive energy thoughts and prayers.
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We feel all of your love and truly appreciate you.
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We are so grateful for the life we have for our wonderful babies Luna and miles and for
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all the amazing things we've been able to experience.
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But every day can't be full of sunshine on this darkest of days.
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We will grieve.
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We will cry our eyes out, but we will hug and love each other a harder and get through
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it.
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And then in subsequent posts on her different social medias, it was just, you know, she
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was posting that, you know, we're driving home without a baby.
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How is this real life?
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I mean, absolutely, absolutely gut wrenching.
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And the public reaction has been just an overwhelming amount of love and support towards Chrissy
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Teigen to John Legend and their entire family, obviously an incredibly sad situation.
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And that was where most people's thoughts went initially was be with them during this
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sad time.
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They're a very, very public couple, right?
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And they've been kind of easy to pick on because John Legend says, you know, if Trump's elected
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to do a second term, he's going to move out of the country.
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But him and Chrissy had just bought, you know, basically an $18 million mansion in Beverly
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Hills.
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They're just a very public couple, right?
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You know, there's a lot of things that you can make fun of or, you know, aspire to or
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whatever you want to do in terms of how you view them.
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But when something like this is happening, this is subject matter that's touched a lot
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of people and they've been very open about it.
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And so open that some of the secondary thoughts people were having is that this family in
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Chrissy Teigen specifically was oversharing, right?
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Oh, well, you know, you really shouldn't go to social media with stuff like this.
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Like, isn't that just a bit much?
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And I got to say, I could not disagree more with that sentiment.
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I couldn't disagree with it more because the interesting thing about miscarriage is no one
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really knows what to say or do with a miscarriage.
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I mean, that that includes inside the church because, you know, it's, it's somehow almost
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like a junior varsity loss, right?
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The varsity losses are like when you lose, you know, a child that's been born or when
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you lose your spouse, you become a widow or widower, you know, when there's some sort
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of a tragedy that that takes life, that a miscarriage just doesn't seem to be to that
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same level.
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Right?
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I mean, I go into detail and thoughts like that and in on my own experience of loss in
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episode 71 of this podcast, just called loss.
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And this was after my wife and I suffered a second miscarriage, right?
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You know, after the first one, I didn't tell anybody, didn't really know what to say.
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You know, oh, this, you know, this happens in one and five pregnancies and it's really
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not that big a deal, but we felt pain and loss, but we didn't really know where to go
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with it.
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And then after the second one, it's like, no, this freaking sucks.
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This sucks really bad.
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This hurts.
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This hurts really bad.
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Like, you know, we lost a second kid is the way that we saw it.
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And you know, I kind of even over shared and I talked about it on this on this podcast.
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And so, um, I think that her sharing that and their family's decision to share that was
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a positive thing.
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I really do think it was a positive thing that there's just not enough discussion around
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miscarriage.
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And I've had several people reach out to me after episode 71 of this podcast to, to share
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their own story of miscarriage and loss and how they just, you know, there aren't guys
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that talk about it, right?
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Because this is a very woman thing, right?
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It's taking place inside her stomach and it's part of her body at the time and she's nourishing
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the baby and keeping it alive inside of her body.
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And so, you know, what does the man do other than just kind of sit idly by and make sure
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that she's comfortable and rub her feet, right?
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But it kind of gave them a voice.
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So I was glad that I over shared, according to some people's thoughts.
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But I mean, overall guys, I just feel a tremendous, genuine amount of sadness for this family.
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And I think that's, that's the appropriate feeling.
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Again, these aren't people that you know personally or that I know personally, but it's
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still okay to feel sadness for somebody like that.
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I mean, I even talked about it.
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If you go back to my Kobe Bryant podcast, it was kind of this weird deal where they're
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you're, I'm surrounded by people that were mourning the death of a man that they didn't
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know personally.
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I mean, you know, ugly crying in the mall when they got the news on their phone, but
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there's just something different, like, you know, we're all connected in some sort of
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a way.
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I mean, if you're a secular humanist, you think it's some sort of like a avatar kind
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of way, but I think of it in terms of we are all spiritual beings, you know, made in the
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image of God and that we're all connected in that way.
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But what was interesting is there are some very important things to talk about in terms
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of the story that kind of go beyond the sadness beyond the tears.
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Okay, and I want to be sensitive while I do this while still making my very valid point.
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Here were some of the headlines that came from this.
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I just did kind of curse review going through Google news.
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And I just want to read some of these headlines to you.
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And I want to see if you can pick out what what the common thread is.
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So people magazine posted this headline, Kristi Teigen and john legend suffer pregnancy loss.
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We will always love you.
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Yahoo.
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Put it this way.
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Why Kristi Teigen's pregnancy loss photos are important and common cosmopolitan said
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this Kate Beckinsale defends Kristi Teigen's public grief while revealing her own pregnancy
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loss.
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Huffington Post, Kristi Teigen experiences pregnancy loss and acts in news Jacksonville,
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Kristi Teigen, john legend, suffer pregnancy loss amid complications.
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So obviously the through point here is that they suffered a pregnancy lost a pregnancy
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loss at which point you kind of have to ask yourself, what exactly are you losing when
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you quote lose a pregnancy?
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You know, why the why the emotion?
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What kind of a loss is that why the tears?
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What specifically are you mourning?
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Because there were some other headlines that I got from some very surprising sources that
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were fairly ironic.
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And these are headlines that I'm actually shocked.
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They made it past the editors.
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So listen to this slate of headlines and see if you can pick out what's common.
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The New York Times, Kristi Teigen and john legend lose baby after pregnancy complications.
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CNN Kristi Teigen, john legend, allow announced loss of baby.
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The Guardian, if Kristi Teigen wants to share the agony of losing her baby, let her Forbes,
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QAnon accounts ambush Kristi Teigen, falling death of baby Yahoo, Kristi Teigen's mother
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shares a heartbreaking post about baby Jack on Instagram slate.
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These are the only pictures these people will ever have of that child.
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And there were a lot more like that.
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But obviously the words that stick out here are baby child.
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I mean, from these sources, that's pretty accidentally pro life.
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If you asked me, describing the loss here as a baby or a child, because some of in most
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of the news outlets that I just named here that use the word baby or child to describe
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Teigen and legend and what they lost are the same folks that carry water for the abortion
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industry, the same people that are always in a rush to defend Planned Parenthood or defend
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a row or defend the woman's quote unquote right to choose their first in line.
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Because the reality is, is that the abortion industry, they have taught and tricked millions
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of people into believing that what was inside of Teigen was a meaningless clump of sales,
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a parasite, you know, just part of the mother or, you know, just a fetus.
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So why the cognitive dissonance though, because you have to answer the fundamental question
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of what's the difference between a clump of cells or a parasite or just being part of
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the mother or a fetus and a baby.
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What's the difference?
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And I thought Albert Mueller put it incredibly well and very poignantly in his podcast earlier
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this week, I believe, was on Monday when he said that this is the difference.
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We categorize the baby based on whether or not they're wanted.
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That's the difference.
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Chrissy Teigen and John legend wanted this child.
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So that made it a baby.
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All of the sudden, all of the sudden it was a life.
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All of a sudden it was something that was worth our protection and love.
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But in the wake of this announcement by that family, many have ran to support and they've
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written articles and recorded video videos claiming that it's perfectly natural and possible
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to not only be pro choice, but to also be sad about a miscarriage at the same time.
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You can be both.
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So they call it something like the morning of a desired pregnancy or a wanted pregnancy,
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as if the personal feelings of mom and or dad somehow matter when it comes to the worth
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of the child, the child's worthiness to be protected and loved.
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And guys, our country, the United States of America, there's a lot going on in this country
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right now.
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But if you look at everything that got us to the point where we are right now is our country
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and our culture have been marinated and bathed in the language and practice of death.
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We average around a million reported legal murders of the unborn in the United States
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alone every year.
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Around 300,000 of those are perpetrated by Planned Parenthood alone.
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And here's the thing guys, I think that it is completely fair for people to point out
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the contradiction and the hypocrisy in the situation.
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Okay.
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And I want to be very sensitive during this time and I'll kind of explain.
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Vegan and legend are incredibly outspoken supporters of pretty much every leftist agenda
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there is and specifically of the pro choice slash abortion agenda.
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It's usually under the guise of, you know, bodily autonomy or a woman's right to choose
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or access to reproductive health care or whatever, you know, different thing they want to call
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it this week.
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But at the end of the day, I think it is right and appropriate to point out the contradiction.
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Now, there are people online and I'm going to decry this specifically.
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There are people online that are parts of certain groups or just, you know, people one
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off people that are being incredibly ugly to this family during this time.
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They're not being tactful.
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They're not being sensitive, right?
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And they're all being kind of lumped into this one group.
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Oh, it's going on.
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It's far right, you know, agitators or whatever.
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And perhaps they are.
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Some of these people are that, but there's a lot of people that are attacking this family
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right now.
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But this is what I would encourage you to do.
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Okay.
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We should pray for Tegan and legend and for their loved ones during this time, pray for
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their pain, you know, pray that God reveals himself to them that that they find the truth
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of the gospel during this moment.
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And we should also pray that they reconsider their stance and support for the abortion
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industry.
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And I know that there was some either current or former Republican politician that tweeted
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something along those lines and he was just absolutely roasted for it, but it's like,
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is he wrong?
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I mean, this, this was a pro life individual praying that somebody would change their opinion
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and become pro life themselves.
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And I don't see the issue with that.
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I really don't because here's the main point of this podcast.
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I know it's going to be a little bit shorter, but here's the main point guys.
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All of the emotion felt by baby Jack's mom and dad, you know, all of the outpouring of
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emotion from their families, all the outpouring of emotion on social media from complete strangers
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proves this point.
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We all inherently know that it was a baby that died that day, a baby, a person, a valuable
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human being because here's the thing.
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We inherently know this.
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We've been muddied all the waters have been muddied with all this, you know, gender theory
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and all this, you know, third wave feminism and all this stuff.
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But here here's the thing guys, people know what they're celebrating during a birth announcement.
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They know, they know it.
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They know what they're celebrating during a gender reveal.
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They're not waiting until the kid is old enough to decide, right?
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They know what they're celebrating.
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People know what has been lost when a baby doesn't come out of the mother alive and also
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they know what has been gained when a baby does come out of the mother alive.
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I've been on both sides of that coin and I can feel it in this moment, right?
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I've got a frog in my throat right now just thinking about it.
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But some people are going to attempt to try and hide this fact with word games and we
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saw that earlier with people calling it a loss of a pregnancy or people just saying,
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you know, it was a wanted pregnancy or something like that.
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But here's the deal guys in the irony of all ironies in the contradiction of all contradictions,
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you know, the first round draft pick of cognitive dissonance goes to Planned Parenthood because
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on Twitter, after this announcement, this is what they tweeted, quote, we're so sorry
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to hear that Chrissy Teigen and John legend lost their son.
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And we admire them for sharing their story.
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Heart emoji really really Planned Parenthood hopping into the fray because this celebrity
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couple is suffering a loss.
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And that's not what I'm mad about obviously.
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I'm mad about the fact that they slaughter hundreds of thousands of babies a year and
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they have the nerve in the temerity to sit there and say that they're they're hurting
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alongside Chrissy Teigen and John legend, the loss of their son.
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Because they're imbuing personhood to Jack.
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This boy, this baby boy, not this genderless gnome, this baby boy.
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And we're supposed to take them seriously as one of the many supporters of Chrissy and
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John during this time.
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It's absolutely flabbergasting that that at no point did anyone on the PR team or the
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marketing team there, whoever's on the social media team at Planned Parenthood to think,
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we might just leave this one alone.
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This is kind of a lightning rod kind of a deal, but they just don't see it.
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It's a seared consciousness.
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And so the point of this podcast is obviously not to pile on this family.
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I think I've been overwhelming in my support for them and my desire that you and everyone
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around you to pray for these people and pray for anyone that goes through this, but we
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have to be real about this situation.
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Because if Chrissy and John come out of this situation and they're still in support of
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the pro-abortion cause and one of their arguments is that what's growing inside of the mom is
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not worthy of anything.
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It's a meaningless clump of cells.
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That argument doesn't work anymore.
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You don't get the sympathy for your loss while at the same time claiming that other people
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don't have that same right or that they're thinking wrong headedly because they think
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what's growing inside of them is important because guess what?
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You showed us your cards and you believe it too.
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So guys, I know with a lot of these podcasts, all roads seem to lead to abortion, right?
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And we're going to get into the real if you've thought the podcast has been a little political
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lately, it's only going to get a little bit more so of that as we get closer to the election.
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I plan on talking to you guys about my thoughts on Joe Biden specifically and my thoughts on
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Donald Trump specifically as we march our way towards November 3rd.
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But a lot of things hinge on this one topic because the way you feel about the topic of
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abortion tells me how you feel about humanity in general and we should pay attention.
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So she wrote this article for the national review.
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This is an incredible article and I'm glad it was written by a woman because she goes right
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at this topic.
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She kind of talks about how the New York Times handled the news of Chrissy Teigen and John
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Legend losing their baby in some of the language that was thrown around and how people like
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the New York Times kind of infuse the politics of the pro life versus pro choice debate into
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this.
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