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This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, today we got a special guest for you.
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His name is Adam Davis.
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So he is a speaker and a writer and his books include a lot of you guys have
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seen these and you've definitely heard of one of them, I know for sure.
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But one is behind the badge, 365 daily devotions for law enforcement.
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So that is specifically for first responders.
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It's amazing.
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It is really a perennial bestseller and is recommended for a lot of people
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that are in law enforcement and leaders for them nationally.
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Also bulletproof marriage.
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So a lot of you guys are in the Christian marriage circles and
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you've gone through stuff like that with your spouse.
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It's a 90 day devotional.
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This is one that he co-wrote with Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman,
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who's an alumni of the podcast here.
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And then also he's a co-writer on on spiritual combat, 30 missions for
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victorious warfare.
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So this is a guy who is doing a lot of really incredible things in some unique
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areas.
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So as you'll hear in this podcast, in this episode that we're talking about,
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a lot of the things that he does, whether he's talking about how to be
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spiritually resilient or how to have a good marriage or how to operate as a
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law enforcement officer and be spiritual at the same time.
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The reason why he's doing these things is because he saw a gap that needed to be
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filled and he's going to fill it.
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And that's if nothing else, if you get nothing else from the podcast today,
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that's the message that I got from the time that I spent with him.
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I just wrapped up the call.
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He could not have been more accommodating or gracious with his time and with his,
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his ideas and what he was able to share.
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But the thing is, is a lot of us notice that there are gaps that need to be filled
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and then we just expect someone else is going to do it, right?
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And it can be something small, like walking past a piece of trash or it can be
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something large, like something that you know you need to speak about with your
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wife or with your kid and you just kind of leave it be or that business that you
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know you should launch because God's telling you or that book that you should
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write or whatever the situation is, but this is a guy that is just over and over
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and he's doing it imperfectly as he admits.
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But the thing about this guy is he's fueled by something that a lot of people
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have struggled with but haven't talked about.
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And so we're going to go in a lot of different places in this podcast, but we
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start off with stuff that he suffered, the abuse that he suffered at the hands
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of these heinous human beings early on in his life.
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And the thing about it, guys, is a lot of people that have that as part of their
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story, their story doesn't end up well, right?
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They don't lean on God.
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They don't get the help that they need.
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And so that becomes the defining moment of their life is the abuse that they
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suffered, but not for Adam Davis, not by a long shot.
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He took his lumps.
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He's definitely made his mistakes and he's owned up to those things and he's
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owned up to the hatred that grew in his heart for the people that wronged him as
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he grew up, but to hear how he speaks now, I mean, it gets me excited.
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It gets me jazzed up.
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And guys, I don't want to keep him from you any longer.
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So without further ado, let's get into it.
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Adam Davis, welcome to Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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Kyle, thank you so much for having me on, brother.
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I appreciate it.
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Hey, we are so happy to have you on today.
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I know a lot of guys on this podcast are going to really appreciate some of the
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things that you have to say in the subject matters that we're going to be
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talking about and we're going to go into a lot of different areas today.
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But the first thing I want to talk about, it is a little bit of a somber note,
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but it's, it's a story of resilience for you and your life.
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And that's what we talk about all the time with this, with this ministry is
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making sure that you're mentally, physically and spiritually resilient.
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And you were kind of forged in a crucible of some pretty bad circumstances
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early in your life.
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So I just wanted to kind of let you speak a little bit to that.
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Cause a lot of people have heard your story, but perhaps our audience hasn't
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quite heard that yet, but let's talk a little bit about your childhood and
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unfortunately the abuse that you suffered during that time period.
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Yep.
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So as a young child, probably five, six years old, my parents divorced.
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My mother had to start working different jobs and never forget the day.
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I saw my dad drive away with you all trailer and really, really wanted to be
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with my dad, but nonetheless, we were somebody to quote unquote babysit us.
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And he started by discovering his dad's porn stash and all of the, all the porn
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videos and magazines and all this and showing that to me.
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I'm five or six years old.
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This guy's significantly older, non, you know, there's nobody that's related to me.
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And long story short, he, he starts to sodomize me and tries to normalize it.
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And I'm scared to death as a kid to talk about it.
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Uh, I had on that for, for a long time, guilt, shame, fear, uh, pain.
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Five year old kids aren't really trained on how to do all that kind of stuff.
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And, uh, then again, at 15, uh, different situations, totally different dynamics.
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Um, again, uh, caused me to have a sort of a skewed perspective of, of church, not
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really of God, but of church.
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Uh, when my mother dropped me off and left me and my sister with a, uh, 30 year old
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married woman with kids and wound up having a sexual relationship there.
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Why at 15 and it's supposed to be like, this is God's will, you know, that sort of thing.
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And I know you're supposed to make decisions at 15, right?
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You know, how to make decisions, but the things are, things are a challenge in, in
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different dynamics there.
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But overcome that, the, the issue was overcoming all of those, those issues, the
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trauma, how to fix your mind, your perspective, how to fix your perspective of relationships,
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your ability to trust, and then I got married at 18 years old.
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So, uh, but, you know, it was a, it was a tough situation.
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I didn't talk about the, uh, the, what happened to me as a, as a kid and until
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about six months before my, my first child was born, because I felt like in order
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to be a good dad, a better man, get rid of the hate, none for giving us in my heart,
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because I hated this dude, man.
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I hated him.
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I wanted to take him out.
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I hated it.
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And there was so much I knew of killing me, of destroying me.
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And so I started dealing with it.
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And I don't think it'll be somebody that worked for the rest of my life, but, and
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I hope that I can help other people get set free from stuff we got to get away.
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Well, I appreciate you sharing that.
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And I know you've shared that with a lot of people and just the fact that people
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see you as a successful person, as a successful author, and we'll get into that
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here in just a little bit, but the things you've been able to accomplish when
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you have that in your past, but to kind of go back, because I want to kind of peel
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back the onion a little bit on, you know, when you're a little kid, you
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probably had this internal sense that what was happening wasn't, wasn't right.
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But again, you're, you're little, you don't really know how to process this.
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Your brain's not, you know, very developed yet.
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But as you move into your teenage years, how did your feelings towards what you
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suffered as a child change and alter and not necessarily in light of what you
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experienced, you know, as a 15 year old, but how did you still weren't talking
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about it at this point, but how did your feelings about a change?
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I think we have an ability to block out certain things in our mind.
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We have an ability to suppress my feelings of that.
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It was hate that grew and grew and grew and festering and grew pure
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hatred for what happened to me.
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And I never wanted anybody else to feel that pain.
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So, you know, my, my number one dream as a, as a, you know, 17, 18 year old kid,
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even 16 really was to join the Marine Corps.
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That's all I wanted to do.
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I want to join the Marines, get a college degree, become a lawyer.
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Retire as an old Marine.
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And that's what I wanted to do.
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My feelings about that never changed.
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I was, I hated that dude, man.
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I hated him.
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I wanted him dead.
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I wanted him off the map.
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I knew that as I got, as I got older into adulthood, I knew he had kids and I was
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concerned that he was treating his kids the same way.
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And I just had some, some, some intuition, some, some sort of good feelings that
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that was going on.
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And, uh, it was just, you know, my hate never went away for him.
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My hate never went away for him, but I tried to block it out because it was
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sort of like if you cut your arm as a kid, not all boys run to the mamas.
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Some of them want to take it up and put some dirt on it and move on.
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Hey, I'm good.
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Don't bother me.
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And that, you know, I, it was just pure shame, man, pure shame.
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And, uh, between the shame, you know, the act, the action itself, uh, there was
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hate there for that.
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And then the shame sort of caused that hate to grow exponentially.
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And, um, and I know people that are dealing with it today and there are 50s
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and 60s that have never, that have never addressed it.
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Well, let's talk a little bit about the shame piece because you hear that that
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is a common through point when he talks to people that are victims of childhood
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sexual abuse or really sexual abuse of any kind is, is the amount of shame and
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that shame is really what leads them to not share because, you know, I've talked
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about on this podcast before that shame is a powerful tool when used appropriately.
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Cause like you've got a buddy who says, Hey, man, I'm going to be on a diet and
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keep me accountable in a week later.
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He's not running anymore and he's eaten only Cheetos.
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It's like you can shame that guy into doing some pretty positive things for
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himself, but kind of explain for us for, because, you know, luckily this is not
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something I've ever had to deal with, but I know that there are guys in our audience
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that have dealt with this, that maybe haven't come out on the other side like you
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have, but how were you able to process the shame that you were feeling in, and
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even if you could just give us a little bit of insight into what that shame did
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to you and how debilitating it was.
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Yeah, it, uh, it screwed me up as far as my perspective relationships.
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I, I really sort of kept a distance with anybody that was a male figure.
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Anybody and that wasn't there to them.
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Uh, but that's, that's just how I dealt with it.
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And, uh, shame calls me to feel unworthy, not good enough, unlovable.
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Um, and that I was just filthy.
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I wouldn't worth anything.
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But how I dealt with it was understanding that, man, God loves me and there's
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nothing that I could do or anything that could be done to me to change that love.
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But I'll be honest, that the first time I, I, I went to God and I talked to a few
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people in my life about it and I went to God and I said, Hey, I hate this dude.
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I am in this, this is pure hatred and I don't know how to deal with this, but I
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need, I need you to help me.
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And so it was a process.
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It wasn't something that, Hey, I forgive him and move on.
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I had to say that daily, I had to get up and say, I forgive him and I want to
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release all the negative emotions and I had, I had some deep hatred for him, but
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it was really walking in faith.
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You know, we talked a lot about, about forgiveness.
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And, and a lot of guys I've talked to, uh, on this topic have said, you know, I'll
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never forgive so and so forth.
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What they did to me, whether it was that or, you know, a murder and somebody
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they loved it, I'll never forgive them.
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Well, the forgiveness was killing me, it wasn't harming this, the, the, the
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guy who did this to me, it was killing me.
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And so I was being hit multiple times, not only by the actions that happened as
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a kid, not only by the shame, but now the unforgiveness.
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So it's stacking up the burdens that I'm carrying around instead of laying them
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down at the feet of the one who could take it off and make all things new.
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And that's what he did.
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It was just a process.
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It doesn't happen overnight.
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It may take a month.
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It may take six months, it may take a year, I don't know, it may take longer
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than that, but for me, it required me to take a step of faith in, of, out of a
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position of obedience to God, trusting that he would take care of it.
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And he did.
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I think that's a great word there.
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And I, I'd feel remiss if I didn't feel in the last just few minutes here and you
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talk, I feel even God telling me that guys, if you were struggling with, with
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feelings like this, you've got my contact information.
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I'm going to make sure that you have Adams, like tell us, like what we're just
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guys that are, you know, playing out of your headphones or playing in the
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speakers of your car, let us know.
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And in, you know, unfortunately, I guess fortunately, and unfortunately, I've
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had people that have reached out to me before on this podcast that don't know
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me to share some of the things that they've dealt with.
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And that's the thing is getting it out there.
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It can't grow if it's in the light.
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And that's where God does his best work and God's in complete control.
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And I think that's a great word there.
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A slight transition from kind of what you've experienced.
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There's, there's more guys that are kind of in our world, like guys that focus on
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trying to be a sheepdog and trying to be a defender of, you know, people that
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can't really defend themselves.
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How do you think your expertise in the stuff that you've done in your career?
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But also what you've experienced as a child kind of lends itself to you helping
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with child sex trafficking or just getting the word out about things like that.
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Cause I know that's not a huge part of what you do, Adam.
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But I know that it's something that, that is important to you.
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And it's becoming very, very important to a lot of guys that are either in or out
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or retired from the law enforcement or military world.
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So kind of give us a sense of, of your, your thoughts on that and what
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guys like us can do to help.
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Yeah.
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So understanding that there's a, there's a behavior of, of a predator.
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And that they're not always just going to show up and commit an act.
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It, it seldom happens that way. It, it happens through grooming.
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It's a complex process oftentimes where they have somebody that they have,
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that they are close with.
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And a lot of this, it may be even subconsciously occurring where they're
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developing relationships with people and they're getting them accustomed to certain
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behavior, certain touches, certain things that would be considered inappropriate.
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But because of their conversations and the way they're leading them and they're grooming them.
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So you understand that, that this could be your neighbor,
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but this could be a family member.
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This could be somebody within your church.
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This could be somebody that lives close to you.
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This, this is absolutely, you have to look for the signs.
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You have to look for what's going on.
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And there's certain, there's certain non-negotiables, right?
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That we, we don't have, you know, guys shouldn't, you know, kids, small kids,
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shouldn't be spending the night with, with certain people.
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I don't allow my kids to spend the night with anybody.
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They're, they're, we don't have sleepovers.
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We don't do those kind of things.
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Now, and maybe that's overprotective, but looking, looking for the signs and
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looking for the, the, the sort of the red flags of, of these conversations,
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there should be no reason a grown adult is talking to, to a teenager.
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Without, without my consent, without me knowing everything that's going on.
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And if you're a parent, you need to be all up in your kids business.
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And that was, that was one of the issues on my end.
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My parents, my, my mother wasn't all up in my business.
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And, and when I brought it to their attention, she brushed it off.
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And so that brought up another whole issue that I had to deal with.
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And so I could go into great detail, graphic detail, explicit detail,
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and tell you everything that happened when I was five and fifteen.
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And, and, and, and I feel like we have to be willing to listen to our children.
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To look for the signs, to pay attention, it's not being hypervigilant.
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We, we live in a day and age where literally the enemy is roaming,
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looking to kill still and destroy these parts with the lives of children.
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If he can destroy the innocence of a child, he, he can destroy their destiny.
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He can rob them of their future.
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And it's our job as sheepdogs to step in and look for these things,
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not, not only in the workplace, not only in school, but within churches,
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creditors of Bible and church walls. And we have to be willing to address it and have the,
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have the testicular fortitude to stand up to them and say, not on our watch,
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not doing this to our, and that's something I feel like a lot of,
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that's not a message, Adam, that you get from the pulpit.
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Unfortunately, I mean, you're going to sit in a lot of churches and there's a lot of
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guys sitting here right now that you've sat in the pews or you've sat in the cushy chairs
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and you've done the up down thing at the Catholic church and you've done the Yesher,
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whatever at the Baptist church, but you're not hearing this from the pulpit.
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You're hearing it from guys like us. You're hearing it from guys that have this experience.
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And, you know, everyone knows the, see, see something, say something, right?
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Everyone knows that and everyone's heard of that before, but then how many guys just go,
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they know what their guts telling them. They know maybe what the Holy Spirit's telling them,
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but they're like, ah, that's too much trouble to try to get into because the worst case scenario
17:07
for some of these guys is that you're going to have to eat a little bit of crow. Maybe,
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maybe you challenge somebody, maybe ask them a very direct question.
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And then you have to kind of go back and say, Hey, man, I was just being vigilant for my children.
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But so many parents now seem to be focused on being buddies with their kids and not wanting
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to interfere in their social lives and all that. It's like, what are you talking about? Like,
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these are your children, like, until they're out of your house, they're in your care and you're
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going to have to answer for how you've cared for them. So, so why do you think that just to kind of
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even go back to my initial thing before I went off on a diet drive? Why aren't more pastors
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talking in the way that you talk or in the way that I talk about issues like this? Where are the
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sheepdog pastors? Well, I'll answer it in a roundabout way here.
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One of the reasons is because I feel like they're ruled by fear and not by faith.
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They're on a mission to give us five points to overcome something, to deal with something,
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to get a better life. Most are afraid of giving us the word rightly divided because they're afraid
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that somebody's going to walk out on and they're going to take a big check. And it's just one of
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the same reasons. Listen, it's not popular. This isn't popular. This isn't going to get you a million
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clips on YouTube. This isn't going to get you a thousand shares on social media. But let me tell
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you what will. Let me tell you what matters. You know, I call pastors. I've talked to 500 in the
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past five weeks, probably more. And I call them and I say, how's the prison ministry? And they tell
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me it's going to be great. I ask them how their ministry to first responders is going. They don't
18:43
have a clue what I'm talking about. It's the same reason. They don't know how to address sheepdogs.
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And if you don't know how to address sheepdogs, you don't know how to address the wolf. And if you
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don't know how to address either of those issues, you say on the superficial fluffy surface level
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milk. You're talking about milk. We can't grow as a body because we can't get past negotiate and
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we'll sin. And until we quit negotiating with sin, we're going to become true sheepdogs. We're not
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going to be able to address the wolf. And he's going to continue to take more territory and dominate
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like he's doing in the world today. That's what you have. You have a perspective that Christian men
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are sissies, that they're weak and that they're passive. And a lot of them have been. And it's
19:29
time to grow a backbone and stand up to the threats that are in the world today and be godly men.
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Drag up your sword, drag up your shield and go to war for your family. Go to war for other people
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who can't go to war for themselves. And the reason the world is where it is now is because the body
19:45
of Christ, the men, the men that were called to be courageous and stand up and fight, they've been
19:50
passive. They've been quiet. Let me tell you something. The faith doesn't make you weak. It
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makes you unbeatable. When you have faith in the rap source, you become unbeatable. And if you're
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unbeatable, you remain undefeated. And where are the men that are willing to stand up and say
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separate victors, I will be undefeated, always undefeated because of my faith in Christ. And I
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will go to war for those who can fight for themselves. Well, I certainly appreciate that message. And
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you got a lot of guys listening to this right now that are saying amen, amen, and amen. And I think
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this was a great time to transition. And we'll get into kind of the stuff with law enforcement and
20:24
your stuff on marriage here a little bit. But I just want to talk about overall how to be a sheep
20:29
dog and be a Christian, the spiritual life and faith. And guys on this podcast will recognize
20:33
a another name Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman. He was all in this podcast a few months ago. And
20:37
we talked about a new book that y'all co wrote together on spiritual combat 30 missions for
20:42
victorious warfare. And so she's kind of give us an idea as to why you and Dave wanted to write
20:48
this book specifically and kind of even just the impact that you've seen it have on the types of
20:53
guys that you just mentioned talking about just a second ago. Yep. Well, well, primarily the
20:58
reason we needed to put it together is we felt the same thing for bulletproof marriage. We felt like
21:02
there was a there's a there's a there's a missing element. There's a void in the community of men
21:08
and women who are willing to stand up to the enemy. And there's a void of something to address those
21:13
specific dynamics. And and we have both Colonel Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman and I have taken
21:18
calls for men and women. They said, how do I pray? How do I study the Bible? How do I do these things?
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So we put together an essential basic training manual essentially is what it is on how to go to
21:31
war in the spirit. We have everything we need to do battle in the physical, but we neglect the
21:38
spirit man. And that's why we continue to fail in the physical. You can't win. You can't win unless
21:42
you win that battle internally first. And once you win that battle internally, then you can take on
21:47
any enemy in the world. But we we wrote it because we felt like there was a, you know, so many people
21:53
are taking his book on combat. And there's been so much success for that book. We wanted to take
21:59
that book and turn it into a guide a manual that men and women could take and armed themselves
22:07
spiritually so that they could go to war in things that matter. Well, and with that in mind,
22:11
why do you think most guys are really kind of cleaving to the books that that he's written before
22:17
and to even a book like this that is about combat but more in the spiritual realm? Why do you think
22:22
most guys are thirsting for that? Because there's a lack of it. They're hungry. They're hungry for
22:26
something that is, that is, that's not fluffed. They're hungry for something that goes deep and
22:31
takes them and teaches them what is, is not being taught in a lot of places. I mean, let's just be
22:37
honest. Who's going to, who's going to tell you without being weird and wacky with some left field
22:43
theology, how to deal with the, with spiritual warfare? You know what I'm thinking? Listen,
22:49
it is more real than what you can see field touch, taste, hear, smell right now. It is more real.
22:57
What goes on the spirit? So they're hungry for that because it's real. You know, if it's the same
23:02
thing with bulletproof marriage, it's real. It's talking about real stuff. It's hitting them right
23:06
there in the middle of their life. And when they're, when they open it up and they read those words,
23:10
they're able to see how the supplies to them and how it's been real in their life from day one.
23:16
And it's just, it's removing some of the masks that are that have been put over our eyes
23:20
and correcting some perspective about the issue. Well, you keep using the word real there. And I
23:26
just got to be honest, I was a guy that didn't grow up in church. I grew up in Oklahoma. So I was
23:30
kind of a, you know, believer in God by default, right? Because of where I was born, like that
23:35
kind of a deal. And a lot of people have that. And so I didn't, when I started going to church,
23:39
like they didn't really talk about spiritual warfare. You know, it was kind of mentioned as
23:42
they were kind of, you know, they were just glazing over it as they were going through certain parts of
23:46
the Bible. But it definitely wasn't gone into an a fairly extreme degree. And then yes, there are
23:50
those kind of more wacky folks that do the, you know, down by the river revivals and all
23:55
they talk about is spiritual warfare. And you're like, okay, there's got to be somebody in the
23:59
middle that's going to talk about this in a way that's not only palatable, but that actually makes
24:02
sense theologically. Why aren't more churches? And it's got to be bigger than just said, it's,
24:07
it's kind of weird. Because that's everyone's kind of canned answer. Oh, it's kind of weird. That's why
24:10
they were talking about it. But if I were to venture a guess, and I'd like to get your opinion on it,
24:15
my guess is that this is saying at work inside our church by making these pastors too scared to
24:21
even talk about spiritual warfare. Because it's like, if it seems real, then people are going to start
24:25
fighting the battle. Because it's like, yeah, you can prepare all day for, you know, the off chance
24:30
that the neighborhood across some years is going to try to attack you and your people in your
24:33
neighborhood. But that's not a real scenario. But if it's another country, and they hate you,
24:38
and they hate you just because of your belief system or what you're founded on, yes, it's real,
24:43
you really need to prepare for it. So do you think it's Satan that's like just trying to
24:47
do a very unique way of silencing the pastor, or am I off and, you know, off and left out myself?
24:52
No, I think you're, I think you hit the middle of the hill. Let's go back and listen, his strategies
24:57
haven't changed. The strategies of the enemy haven't changed. You go back and look into Garden of Eden.
25:02
Adam and Eve had it perfect, man. They had it perfect. They had the perfect world,
25:07
perfect relationship. Had everything they needed. And how did Satan come in? He came in as a
25:14
serpent with subtle suggestions just to create a moment of doubt, just a glimmer of doubt,
25:20
and question what God had told Adam and Eve directly. And if he can go into a place that was
25:27
completely perfect with God's presence, why can't he come into our world? With this sitting in the
25:34
Garden of Eden by a long shot. This is a fallen world. We know that this world is run by him.
25:39
So I think that it's been a lot of, they've been, you know, suddenly seduced, seduced by comfort,
25:47
seduced by apathy, by laziness, by fear. And that just come and hit you in the face. It's just like
25:53
what we talked about when we started off at the top of the interview. A predator is not going to
25:58
just walk in, in most cases, and commit some kind of sexual crime against a child, or a dog,
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it's going to become, they come in and they start to create that relationship. So we've created a
26:12
relationship with comfort, with creative relationship with everything, but what matters most, and
26:17
that's a relationship with a creator, with a true voice of hope, with the one who's spoken
26:23
everything became. We have to come so comfortable in dealing with things that don't stretch us,
26:29
that don't cause us to grow, that don't challenge us. We don't want to deal with that. We don't want
26:33
the blowback that comes off of that. And so yeah, I feel like you're spot on saying, hey, the enemy
26:39
has, he's got us, he's got us snowed under. And what are we going to do to change this? What are
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we going to do to remove the blinders? And we have to take a step out of that comfort zone.
26:49
Yeah. And Adam, you use a great word, you use the word subtle, because everyone's worried about the
26:54
tornado, that's going to take their house right off the foundation. But they're not worried about
26:57
the slow decay from the inside of like termites or like a water leak. People aren't as worried
27:02
about that. That's not as sexy. It's not as, you know, dramatic or as exciting. But it's those
27:07
little things that can rot you away from the inside. You know, when you talk about these predators,
27:12
it says little things that they just do here or there. And it says little subtle things that they
27:16
do. And again, Satan does like to introduce doubt. And even we were talking on other podcasts with
27:21
other people, it's just these little doubtful statements that are in the back of your mind that
27:25
aren't coming from God, you can't put it through a filter and know that it's coming from God,
27:28
because it's coming from the enemy. And he's telling you, this isn't, you're not good enough
27:32
to do this. Like, yes, you're dirty. No, you're not worthy. Like all those different things. And it
27:36
affects you not only in your spiritual life, but it affects you in all your relationships. And
27:40
before we move on to how that will kind of affect a marriage, before we leave this macro topic of
27:45
your spiritual life and spiritual faith and really spiritual combat, we talk about spiritual resilience
27:50
all the time. Physical, mental, and spiritual resilience is what we talk about all the time. But
27:54
with spiritual resilience, the ability to bounce back, not just be strong, but the ability to bounce
27:59
back when you've been knocked down. From your perspective, what are some of the things practically
28:04
that men listening to this can do to really gird their loins for the battle and to create that
28:10
spiritual resilience? Know what you believe. Most men don't fight for anything because they
28:17
don't know what they believe. And if you, if you know what you believe, you develop a core
28:22
of belief based on the scripture, know what you believe. You'll be willing to fight for it. You'll
28:28
be more at the fight for it. Know what you believe. You can know that by studying his work. Further,
28:34
have a solid prayer life. That doesn't mean that you necessarily have to have this big ceremony
28:39
every day, but develop a spirit of prayer where you are in a constant state of prayer. That it may
28:46
not be an eloquent word. It may, and the way I do it is a conversation with Doc. It's just, and
28:52
which he doesn't call back, but is I'm talking to him conversationally, okay, and talk to him like
28:59
a friend because he said, come to me, which I like to say, come to me boldly. And so, leave the
29:05
religious eloquent complex words out of the conversation and talk to him like we're talking.
29:11
He listens. And so, have that solid prayer life. Know what you believe. Have a solid prayer life.
29:16
Study the work. You can't know what you believe until you study the work. And have that time
29:22
studying his work daily. One of the greatest resources I got in my wife and I just celebrated
29:27
20 years of marriage last week. She gifted me with the Tony Evans Bible commentary. It's one of the
29:33
absolute best commentaries I've seen. And get you something like the Tony Evans Bible commentary
29:39
says you can dive deeper into the word and study it. Have a plan. Know his word. I have a problem
29:45
memorizing things. I have a memory issue, but that is, this helps me to be able to retain it
29:51
and tie it into a way that I can pull up that scripture whenever I need it. So, know what you
29:57
believe. Have a solid prayer life. Have a sort of a discipline to study his word. And have men
30:05
around you that are godly men. Have a man, have somebody around you that has gone before you in
30:10
life that they're further along than you are. They've got more experience. And then have a man that
30:15
you can help bring up. That's the way we see it in the scripture. We are called to make disciples.
30:21
So be discipled and make disciples. And if you stay busy and you have those goals and you have those
30:27
those sort of disciplines in your life, then you'll have a battle plan in place to bounce back from
30:34
anything that you face. Know what you believe. That's most important. Know what you believe.
30:37
Well, there you go, guys, those are definitely words to live by. And you've certainly heard me
30:40
say things like that before. And it's this is the wisdom that you need to live by. And this is this
30:45
is the way that you get the plans to where you can end up in a place that you want to be. And one
30:49
thing that you've mentioned, or you mentioned it several times throughout this podcast, you've
30:52
mentioned your marriage, you mentioned bulletproof marriage, but obviously you and Lieutenant Colonel
30:56
Dave Grossman, you wrote bulletproof marriage and 90 day devotional. And that was released not that
31:00
long ago. And it's it's had a tremendous impact on a lot of people. But for you, why was it important
31:05
for you to put some of the some of your thoughts? Because they weren't necessarily in the area of
31:10
marriage initially. But for both of you to spend the time to dedicate to the subject of marriage.
31:16
You know, it comes out of a place of need. You know, we listen to our readers. We listen to the
31:23
people who attend our events. We pay attention to the conversations and some of the core problems
31:28
that are going on in the lives of sheepdogs. And but I didn't want to waste my own pain.
31:35
That's the topic for a whole another conversation is the early years of my marriage and my my
31:42
marriage during law enforcement is I didn't want to waste the pain. I didn't want to waste the
31:47
mistakes. I didn't want to waste the lessons I learned from the sins I committed. And I wanted
31:53
to be able to take those lessons and turn them into something that was said to other people free.
31:56
And and I know that in my in the process of me growing and finding healing and being set free,
32:04
I learned that I wasn't the only one dealing with these issues that you'll read within bulletproof
32:08
marriage. I was only one. And so when I wrote it, I got a lot of feedback. These folks are like,
32:13
hey, how do you know what was going on in my family? How do you know what's going on within
32:16
the four walls? I'm like, cause you're not the only one, dude. You're not the only one who wants
32:20
to do this. And so it really come from a place of of need. And because there's nothing else on the
32:27
market, specifically for first responders and military couples. And so we wanted to provide a
32:33
powerful resource. And and it's done a lot. I mean, we've got a we've got an online course that you
32:39
can go through for seven weeks, shake off the apathy and laziness. So many couples are are lazy
32:44
in their approach to their marriage. And then one day wake up and they say, well, where did we go
32:49
wrong? What happened? Where did it fall apart? That's because you were lazy. Now you were apopedic
32:54
about this. You let the enemy come in. He snuffed in, started planting those seeds. So it sort of
33:00
sharpened just a 90 day challenge. I look at it like sort of a boot count. We go we go to we go
33:06
to train and police Academy is typically three months in a lot of places. Most of your basic
33:11
training for military is about three months. But we often fail to train on how we can have the best
33:16
marriage possible. We're willing to just survive it instead of having a thriving one. So I could
33:21
talk a whole nother hour on that, but I'll leave it there. We're you. Maybe one of these days down
33:25
the line will just do one on marriage. But I do want to ask a follow up even on that because
33:30
obviously for my wife and I, we've been married for 11 years and a lot of couples don't even get
33:34
to that point. And we've had our knockdown dragouts and we've had our bad and dark moments. But there
33:39
seems to be this overwhelming sense that marriage, you know, you hear people say it, but it's kind
33:44
of true marriage isn't what it used to be. Right. Because you heard from these families, if you maybe
33:49
talk to your parents generation or grandparents generation, like divorce was a word that wasn't
33:53
even used. It was this thing that even culturally divorce had this negative, negative connotation
33:59
around it. But now it's just kind of like, it's just, it's just kind of a thing that happens. It's
34:03
like, Oh, well, you know, my first and second, third marriage didn't go great. But this fourth
34:07
one's going well for now. And it's like people are practicing going practicing divorce, even
34:12
when they're living together before marriage. There's a lot of things that that are going on
34:16
within the issue of marriage. Why do you think it's gotten to the point that it is now? Is it just
34:21
the fact that we're in a more secular culture than we maybe ever have been in the history of our
34:25
country? Or is it maybe something deeper? I think it's something deeper. I think it's something broader.
34:29
And you have to look at the decay, the moral decay in our society. You have to look at what
34:38
we've been willing to negotiate with and compromise with instead of holding true to what we believe.
34:46
My wife and I got married at 18 years old. We were graduated in May. We're married in September.
34:53
And it was, it was, it was hell. I was, I was, I was rough, hard to love. I mean, we were kids.
35:00
And, but the sit here today and, and be celebrating 20 years and being a better place than we've ever
35:07
been is a testament to God's word and the truth of His word, the principles that we learn from His
35:14
word and, and having that commitment. You know, I think a lot of times we, we are only committed
35:20
when it's comfortable. We're only committed when it's convenient. We're only committed when,
35:24
when there's something in it for us. And when you remove the benefits that we can get, when you
35:29
remove the convenience and the comfort, we no longer want to be committed. And we don't want to work
35:34
for it. We don't want to fight for it. We don't want to shake off the laziness. We'll just brush
35:38
it off and be passive about it. And that's just something that's occurred in our society over time.
35:42
This is, hey, it's okay. It's okay. It happens. It's okay. No, you know what? It's not okay.
35:47
Be willing to stand up and fight for your marriage. Well, my wife cheated on me. My husband cheated
35:51
on me. Okay. Let's deal with it. Now, if there's abuse, then hold another conversation. Hold another
35:58
path. We got it. We got to have another conversation. God did not say stay committed, stay married,
36:03
so you can stay abused. That's not the, that's not the case. And he, and he even gives us
36:08
mouth on, on adultery. But what are we going to fight for? If you start your relationship saying,
36:14
I'll love you forever, unless you've already, you've already completely devalued your love,
36:21
you got to be willing to fight for it. And if we love selflessly, like Jesus loves us selflessly,
36:28
then we could, we could have better marriages, but we're selfish. We're apathetic, we're lazy.
36:33
We want somebody to give us a book. We want, you know, I've got a lot of people that bought the
36:37
course, a lot of folks about the course that went, didn't even start because of some kind of good
36:42
feeling that happens when you say, Oh, I bought this course for us, honey, we're going to go through
36:46
this course and never do it. Now it feels good. We've got to do it. So we just buy it. It's like
36:50
a magic field that's going to make it better for us like the same thing we want to lose weight.
36:54
There's not a magic field that you lose weight, put in the work, be disciplined, be committed,
37:01
fight for it. And if you want the best one, fight for it, because I promise you this, the same habits
37:06
that you have in this one are going to follow you in the next one. And if you if you don't fight
37:10
for it now, I mean, next one's not going to be any better. Well, and here's the thing about that is
37:16
what a lot of people do, Adam, I feel like is they think that movement is is action. They think
37:23
that movement is is putting them in a certain direction. So it's like people that buy running
37:27
shoes because they're going to get in shape and then they never take them out of the box. It's like
37:30
they've done something they can point to the thing that they've done. But I want to take it even a
37:34
step further before we move off the subject of marriage. And guys, it's not just fighting about
37:38
fighting for your marriage. It's fighting for the marriage of the guys that are in your foxhole.
37:42
I always talk about foxhole guys here, you know, might be called your band of brothers or whatever
37:46
you call it. But it's your group of dudes, your three AM friends. It's fighting for their marriages
37:51
as well, because I've put a lot of relational chips in the center. And I put a lot of my chips
37:56
at risk with friends and had some tough conversations because they were just ready to very easily and
38:01
quickly and quietly bow out of their marriages and leave their kids high and dry and leave their
38:06
spouses and for a myriad of different circumstances. Sometimes it was them that screwed up. Sometimes
38:10
it was the wife that screwed up. Sometimes it was both. But the thing is guys is if they're not
38:15
willing to fight for their marriage, that's when it's your opportunity to hop in and help them to
38:19
smack them around a little bit and say, you were going to regret this for the rest of your life.
38:23
Let's fast forward 30 years from now. You don't want to look back at this moment and see that you
38:28
were a pussy instead of a strong man. That's not what you want to end up doing. And so again,
38:32
I know I get like fired up about this because guys aren't willing to fight for your own marriages,
38:37
but also don't just look around at your own. Look around and help shoulder the burdens for
38:41
some of the other guys that are that you're into or some of the other guys that you're in their
38:45
lives with them and helping them on a day to day basis. That's another way that you can help
38:49
strengthen what you've got going on in your side. But I'd be remiss if we went through an entire
38:53
conversation with you, Adam, and didn't talk about law enforcement because you are a tremendous
38:58
influence in the world of law enforcement. You wrote a book called Behind the Badge 365
39:03
Daily Devotions for Law Enforcement. I just got to tell you, I've got a lot of friends that are
39:07
in law enforcement. A lot of folks that I really respect and those guys are getting hit from every
39:12
angle right now, guys and gals, and they're not getting the respect that they should very much
39:16
so deserve. But take us through the whole process. You're a former guy in law enforcement. You left
39:21
a law enforcement just a few years ago. But why did you write Behind the Badge and what type of
39:27
impact are you seeing with that? I wrote Behind the Badge because I remember my darkest hour of the
39:31
cop. I couldn't find anything to hit me between the islands. There was awesome resources by chaplain,
39:37
not knocking any of it. But when I went to search for something, I couldn't find something that spoke
39:41
to me where I would act. And I wrote Behind the Badge. I'll never forget. I was, I'd gotten to a
39:47
place where I was drinking pretty much every night. And I was, I was, I was pretty messed up. I come
39:53
home. My wife would say, how was your day? Find, take off my gear and be silent. They want to
39:58
talk completely isolated. And, you know, I remember where I was at. I remember ready to take my own
40:04
life. I remember the day I wanted to take my own life. And I remember the supervisor who, who told
40:14
me when I, when I quit drinking, I quit running and, you know, doing all the crap I was doing and
40:19
running with the circle. He said, you know, you, you just be better off, go kill yourself. We'd be
40:23
better off if you just go kill yourself. And so I wanted to write it to the hard-hearted atom. I
40:28
wanted to write it to the guy who used to be so hard-hearted and cold and cynical. I wanted to
40:33
write it to that guy. And I figured if I could write it and get through to that guy, I could reach
40:39
any officer, any law enforcement officer in America. And I wanted to provide him something, you know,
40:44
every day, every day you have a routine. You have, you have, you have certain things that you have
40:47
to do in law enforcement. One of the things we fail to do, we, we got great physical training
40:52
requirements. We've got great requirements and training for, for the skills that are necessary,
40:57
the craft, the tools. But we fail to take care of our soul, of our heart, of our mind, of our,
41:03
of our spirit man. And so I wanted to provide something that was going to be that daily
41:06
nourishment. It was never written with an intention to be the one-all-be-all resource for law enforcement.
41:15
This was created to spark a hunger and an appetite for the things of God to show you that faith
41:21
doesn't make you weak, it makes you unbeatable. Because that's how I saw it. I saw it as a cop that
41:25
faith made me passive, made me weak. But then I realized that there's a way that I can be strong,
41:31
that He makes me stronger. He makes me strong. Without Him, I'm not strong. I'm faith. And when
41:37
I have Him, I become unbeatable. And so, you know, He's given us the authority. He's given us the power.
41:43
And He's given us all the tools needed. And when we have that peace, when we have the perfect
41:48
peace that comes from Him, man, it changes everything. It changes our perspective of the job, of our
41:53
families, of the work we're doing. And it empowers us to be better, she dogs.
41:58
Well, I can certainly appreciate that sentiment. And the thing is, is these people have taken an
42:03
oath and they've gone through everything they need to go through in order to set the cells up
42:07
to be a sheepdog, to protect people that maybe don't even like them. So what would you say to
42:12
any law enforcement? We have quite a bit that listen to this podcast. A lot of first responders
42:16
that listen to this. What would you say to them right now? When every time they turn on the television,
42:20
it's people in the streets, setting stuff on fire, saying how much they hate cops, how all cops are
42:26
racist, on the hunt to find a black person to kill. Or whatever these people say, defund the police.
42:31
What would you say to these people that every day they wake up early, they get on their gear,
42:36
and they head out to go and protect the populace that maybe doesn't even like them?
42:39
You answered a calling. You answered a calling. And nobody said the calling would be easy.
42:47
Matter of fact, you knew it wouldn't be easy when you said, yes, send me, I'll go. You knew it wouldn't
42:52
be easy. You've been through battles before. You've been through hell before. You've been through
42:57
the fire. This is just another test. This will pass. This will pass. But you've got to be willing
43:04
to stand. And if you want to make it through the fire, you have to be willing to walk through the
43:10
fire with the one who created fire. And if you're willing to be walking through it with him,
43:15
you'll bring you out the other side. Don't allow the negative circumstances outside of what you're
43:21
doing and what he's called you to do to affect your perspective of what he's called you to do.
43:26
Focus on what he's called you to do. Focus on your assignment. Focus on your job. And those
43:33
that you serve with shoulder to shoulder, help lift another up. When you defeat your demons,
43:39
don't lay down your sword and shield. Go fight for somebody else. Help them. This requires all
43:44
hands on deck where we're at in our world. Right now requires every hand, every person at their
43:50
best. You have this is this is when we're this is what we were trained for. This is why we were
43:54
made for such a time of this. The time of peace and the time when everything's good, that's awesome.
43:59
This is why we were put here. This is why we were created. This is the time for the sheepdog to rise.
44:06
This is time for the for the men and women who have courage, who love Christ, who have his love
44:12
living in them, who are following the lead of the great shepherd. This is the time for you to rise,
44:17
to the rise to the surface. Everybody helps. They have to support themselves, but you you fight,
44:24
you stand in fight and you hold your ground. Well, that is a good word. Adam, we have covered
44:29
a lot of different subjects. But before we let you go for the day, one thing that we like to do
44:32
at the end of our interviews is we like to do a segment called what would you say to someone that
44:37
said, and then I'm just going to fill in the blanks. But here's the deal is these are going to be big
44:42
topics. A lot of these, but you got 30 seconds to answer. So it is meat, potatoes, it is lightning
44:47
round. So you got to cut out all the fluff, all the stuff that makes it easier for people to digest
44:53
it. Nope, we just need the meat and potatoes. What would you say to someone that said? So you up for it?
44:57
Yeah, let's roll. All right, let's do it. First one here. What would you say to someone that said,
45:03
we should defund the police? I would say you're you're completely. You have no knowledge of how
45:09
government works. You have no knowledge of how law enforcement works. And you're basically following
45:14
the crowd. Stop following the crowd and be a leader. Be the one who gets out there and does
45:17
something about it. If you want to defund the police, start by defunding politicians. Start by
45:22
defunding those who support defunding police. It means that nobody's going to come to your house
45:26
and somebody's got a gun to your face. Nobody's going to respond to your rank. Nobody's going to
45:30
respond to the robbery, to the burglary, to the murder, to the rape. Nobody's going to be there for
45:34
that. If you want to defund police, I ask you honestly, please take a search at who you are,
45:40
what you believe, what you stand for, and why do you believe that? And sit down in that
45:44
at the end of the day, if it makes sense for you. I mean, hey, believe what you want to believe.
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But at the end of the day, no cops means no peace. All right. Next rapid fire question here. What
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would you say to someone that said, I want my kids to be in law enforcement? I would say raise
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them up right then. If you want them to be in law enforcement, ask them why. And then help nurture
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and develop the characteristics because you have a young sheet dog. And you've been given a great
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opportunity to raise a sheet dog. And that's what we need. The world needs great sheet dogs.
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I wouldn't say discourage them from it. I taught a lot of people all the time about it.
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If you want to be in law enforcement, man, or hey, law enforcement needs men and women like you.
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Then if you have a child that wants to be that way, nurture them, develop the characteristics,
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be there for them. Raise them. Teach them what it needs. All right. Next one here. What would you
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say to someone that said, I don't want my kids to be in law enforcement. Then I'd say that, you know,
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check why you don't want your kids to be in law enforcement. I think that's pretty realistic.
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I think it's pretty common. I think it's pretty understandable. Who would want to willingly
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send? I mean, other than God himself, willingly send his son to die for it, who would be willing
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to send their their kid into to an environment like all enforcement is right now. But at the same
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time, ask yourself, why are you afraid? If you're afraid, is your child afraid? That's totally,
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that's a totally different conversation. Ask yourself why you don't want your kid to go to law
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enforcement. All right. Next one here. What would you say to someone that said, pornography feeds
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child sex trafficking? I would say you're 100% correct. We need to completely defund pornography.
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It should be totally shut down and taken off the market, locked down and completely unplug,
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take it away. Now, we could restore a little bit morality in our society if we get, we will get
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rid of that garbage. You're not going to hear an argument from me on that. All right. Next one.
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What would you say to someone that said, I can't tell anyone about the abuse that I've suffered?
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I say you're letting shame and pain streak for you. It takes a lot of courage to talk about it.
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I get it. But the reason I started talking about it is after the first few times I did,
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I saw that it set people free and I'm willing to lay mine on the table for somebody else to be
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set free. You don't understand what kind of healing awaits for you on the other side. If
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you're willing to have the courage, have the balls to talk about it. I'm saying, I'm not going to
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trash you for not talking about it, but I'm saying have a little courage. Let's see what wakes on the
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other side. You're going to find a whole another world, a whole better life when you get rid of
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that garbage that's on the inside of all that hate bitterness and resentment. Let's go 63.
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Next one here. What would you say to someone that said, it doesn't matter if you check out other
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women, you're just looking. I say you're that's a cop out. It's a cheap way of starting your
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negotiation with adultery, with pornography, with lust, with sin. And Jesus told us that if you look
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at another woman with lust, you may as well just let wear it. Stop negotiating, stop compromising,
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draw a hard line in the sand and say, this is what I believe. And I'm not going to go beyond it.
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Hold your line. Stand for what you believe. Stop negotiating and compromising.
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All right. Next one here. Just a couple left. What would you say to someone that said,
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my marriage can't be salvaged? Mine couldn't either. But God works in miraculous and mysterious
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ways. I feel like that if you put a defining factor on that, then you're putting God in a box.
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Have you taken it to him yet? If you take it to him and he gives you other instructions,
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then okay. But if you haven't given him a chance yet, if both of you haven't given him a chance
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yet, if you haven't truly fought for, don't tell me you can't save it. All right. Last question
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of the day, Adam, what would you say to someone that said, there's no such thing as the spiritual
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battle between good and evil? I would say you haven't experienced it. You have a researcher,
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you have a study that you've stayed on the surface level of living. When you go deep,
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when you understand that this will happen to him, when you understand what awaits us in the
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Trinity, then go and do the research yourself. Just take a chance. Hey, at the end of the day,
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if I'm wrong, what do I have to lose? What do you have to lose? Go and look for yourself,
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research for yourself, study for yourself. And one day you'll discover it, whether it's now
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or there's later, discover it now. So your later can be better. Hey, Adam, that is a great way to
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end this. And we've talked about a lot of different subjects. And man, I appreciate all of your time.
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But that is all for me. Is there anything else you want to get off your chest? Hey, you know what,
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I don't know where you're at right now. I don't know what you're going through. I know a lot of
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people are going through some hard stuff right now. But keep fighting, keep fighting. And for
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those of you that are experiencing victory, that you've, like I said earlier, you've already beat
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your demons, you've already beat your battles. Don't sit down and prop your feet up. There's a
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lot of folks beside you that love and care. Listen out. Look out for your brother. Help your brother.
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Don't be willing to call your brother out when they're doing something stupid because we need
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each other. We're better together. Don't allow isolation to lead you into defeat. We need each
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other. Find a way to keep united. Stay together. Fight for what you believe. Fight for what you
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believe because we know that it is very clear. The enemy will fight for what they believe.
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Stand up righteous men and fight for what you believe them. All right, Adam Davis. Thanks for
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coming on Daunted Life, a man's podcast. Kyle, thank you so much. Well,
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all right. There you go, guys. Thanks for listening to the podcast. We really appreciate
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you guys checking out this episode that we did with Adam, man. That was a lot of fun for us. We
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went and talked about a lot of different things. And the funny thing about this interview is we
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didn't hit on some of the subjects that I wanted to. We did not go in the order that I thought that
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we would go. But as per usual, it went way better than I ever thought it could have even gone. And I
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just really, really enjoyed my time with him. But before we let you guys go, we are going to do
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a quick resilience boost. As you know, by now we are a men's ministry and our mission is cultivating
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mainly resilience. Specifically, we do that by providing content like this podcast that
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helps you forge spiritual, mental and physical toughness. So the two resources I've got for
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you today, I've got Adam Davis's website, and then I've got his Amazon page. And so
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if anything that you heard today was of interest to you, any of the books go to the Amazon page,
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you'll be able to find the books there. If you're interested in his courses or even getting in touch
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with him, he also wanted me to give you his email address. So it's just info at theadamdavis.com.
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That's I N F O at the adamdavis.com. Guys, we talked off air about this and we're serious about
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this. We talked about child abuse. We talked about sexual abuse in this episode. So if this
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is something that you've struggled with personally, we don't want you to feel like you're alone.
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Okay, we're just a couple of guys, right? He has experienced this personally. I have not,
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but we have both seen people through this process and helped them out. So if that has affected you,
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I would encourage you to reach out to him again info at theadamdavis.com. And my email is just
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