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084 - Sex Work Is Work, Girls

June 27, 2019 35m 55s Full transcript available
084 - Sex Work Is Work, Girls
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Today, I dissect an outrageous article from Teen Vogue that argues for the normalization of sex work. This op-ed is not just misguided; it's a dangerous narrative aimed at our young girls, and I’m here to set the record straight.
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0:00 This is on Daunted Life of Man's podcast.
0:13 I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
0:14 Let's get into it.
0:15 All right, guys.
0:16 Today, I'm going to be reading you an article and then giving you my immediate reaction.
0:20 This article has definitely been making around, and so I know it's been making the rounds
0:23 in some of your circles as well, but I'm not going to tell you where the article appeared
0:27 just yet.
0:28 I'm going to give you the title.
0:29 I'm going to read it to you.
0:30 It's not that long.
0:31 And then we're going to break it down.
0:32 So the name of the article is why sex work is still work.
0:37 Yes, the title is why sex work is still work.
0:42 So this is an op-ed and the person's name is really hard to pronounce.
0:46 I'm just going to spell it first name is T-L-A-L-E-N-G last name M-O-F-O-K-E-N-G.
0:53 So this is the founder of Nelaine for Reproductive Justice.
0:59 And this is basically an opinion piece that's explaining why she believes that sex work
1:04 should be decriminalized all the way across the globe and across the world.
1:08 So this is what we're going to be getting into here.
1:10 So let's go ahead and get into the article.
1:13 The government of Amsterdam, a city known worldwide for its red light district, will
1:17 ban the popular guided tours through that area starting in 2020.
1:21 The ban stems in part from complaints calling the tours a nuisance that lead to congestion
1:25 in the narrow canal side streets.
1:28 That city officials have also said the ban is out of respect for sex workers.
1:32 It is no longer acceptable in this age to see sex workers as a tourist attraction.
1:36 City Councilor Udu Koch said, according to the Guardian, "There's one problem.
1:41 Many sex workers are opposing this plan.
1:45 Sex work is legal in Amsterdam, but it isn't in many other places, though some people are
1:49 working to make it so.
1:51 In South Africa, where I am based, for instance, sex workers are calling for decriminalization
1:56 and legal reform.
1:57 And they argue that sex work is work, as affirmed by the international labor organization,
2:02 the ILO, a specialized agency of the United Nations.
2:06 This situation in Amsterdam and the continued criminalization of sex workers around the
2:10 world is yet another example of how we disregard the needs and opinions of the people most
2:15 impacted by policies.
2:17 But even more so, it's another example of how we misunderstand what sex work actually
2:22 is.
2:23 I am a doctor, an expert in sexual health, but when you think about it, aren't I a sex
2:28 worker?
2:29 And in some ways, aren't we all?"
2:32 So what exactly is sex work?
2:34 Not all sex workers engage in penetrative sex, though undeniably this is a big part
2:38 of sex work.
2:40 Sex worker services between consenting adults may include companionship, intimacy, nonsexual
2:46 role-playing, dancing, escorting, and stripping.
2:49 These roles are often predetermined, and all parties should be comfortable with them.
2:53 Many workers take on multiple roles with their clients, and some may get more physical while
2:57 other interactions that may have started off as sexual could evolve into emotional and
3:01 psychological bonding.
3:03 The clients who seek sex workers vary, and they're not just men.
3:07 The idea of purchasing intimacy and paying for the services can be affirming for many
3:11 people who need human connection, friendship, and emotional support.
3:15 Some people have fantasies and king preferences that they are able to fulfill with a service
3:20 of a sex worker.
3:21 I find it interesting that as a medical doctor, I exchange payment in the form of money with
3:25 people to provide them with advice and treatment for sex-related problems, therapy for sex
3:29 performance, counseling and therapy for relationship problems, and treatment of sexually transmitted
3:34 infection.
3:35 Isn't this basically sex work?
3:37 I do not believe it is right, or just that people who exchange sexual services for money
3:42 are criminalized, and I am not for what I do.
3:45 Is a medical degree really the right measure of who is deserving of dignity, autonomy,
3:49 safety in the workplace, fair trade, and freedom of employment?
3:52 No.
3:53 This should not be so.
3:54 Those who engage in sex work deserve those things, too.
3:57 Today, online spaces and apps make the interactions and negotiations safer for women sex workers,
4:02 as opposed to soliciting sex outdoors, where the threat of community and police harassment
4:07 remains a concern.
4:09 Recent legislation in the United States makes it harder for sex workers to advertise online,
4:14 however, has complicated this.
4:16 Experts also make it less intimidating for women who are clients to screen and meet potential
4:20 sex workers to cater to their needs.
4:23 Still, continued criminalization of sex work in sex workers is a form of violence by governments
4:28 and contributes to the high level of stigma and discrimination.
4:32 A systematic review of meta-analysis led by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
4:36 Medicine, for instance, has found that sex workers who have experienced repressive policing,
4:41 having arrest, extortion, and violence from police are three times more likely to experience
4:46 sexual or physical violence.
4:48 But governments often fail to accept the evidence for the economic and social basis for sex work.
4:54 The ILO estimates that sex workers support between five and eight other people with their
4:58 earnings.
4:59 Sex workers also contribute to the economy.
5:02 Governments ignore the nuance histories and contexts in different countries and thus continue
5:06 to wrongfully offer blanket solutions and rescue models that advocate for partial decriminalization
5:13 or continued criminalization.
5:15 They also ignore the wishes of sex workers who want full decriminalization, as supported
5:19 by the Global Commission on HIV and the law, and the Lancet as well as human rights organizations
5:25 like Amnesty International.
5:27 Global efforts towards decriminalization have been growing in some countries such as South
5:31 Africa.
5:32 Women are led by the biggest sex worker movement, Sisunky, sorry I don't know how to sell that,
5:38 and the advocacy and policy work of Sweat.
5:41 These efforts are mirrored by the Global Network of Sex Worker projects and the Dutch Union
5:46 for Sex Workers.
5:47 In July 2018, at the International AIDS Conference in Amsterdam, I joined colleagues and allies
5:53 and marched in solidarity with Prout as they delivered a memorandum to city officials,
5:57 demanding protection of the right of sex workers to work in safe working conditions.
6:02 The moment was important in invigorating the global movement for decriminalization.
6:07 Sex workers must be affirmed through upholding and the protection of their human rights to
6:11 autonomy, dignity, fair labor practices, access to evidence-based care, and others.
6:17 It is for this and many other reasons that I believe sex worker and sex worker rights
6:22 are women's rights, health rights, labor rights, and the litmus test for intersectional feminism.
6:27 Further, the impact of continued criminalization of the majority of sex workers, most of whom
6:32 are cisgender women and transgender women, mean that sex workers' rights are a feminist
6:37 issue.
6:38 If you support women's rights, I urge you to support the global demand for sex work
6:42 decriminalization and fund evidence and rights-based intersectional programs aimed at sex workers
6:47 and their clients.
6:49 We must support efforts to address structural barriers and ensure the implementation of
6:53 a comprehensive package of health services for sex workers as advised by the World Health
6:57 Organization and fund public campaigns to decrease stigma.
7:02 Evidence, not morality, should guide law reforms and sex work policy for full sex work decriminalization.
7:09 So that's the end of the article there.
7:11 Oh, man, I feel like I got dumber.
7:14 Just reading that for like the last six minutes or so.
7:16 But anyway, we'll kind of move past that.
7:18 So again, as I told you from the top, I gave you the article, I gave you the name of the
7:21 article.
7:22 It didn't do, and before, I guess, before we get into me ripping this garbage article
7:27 to shreds, I need to point out one little teensy-weensy important thing.
7:33 And that is where this was published.
7:37 This article was published in Teen Vogue Magazine.
7:44 That's again, Teen Vogue Magazine.
7:50 An article basically saying two thumbs up for sex work appeared in a publication that
7:56 is aimed at little girls, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16-year-old girls is the demographic of the
8:05 readership for Teen Vogue Magazine.
8:09 So we're going to talk about that a little bit more here at the end.
8:13 But that's at least a little bit concerning, isn't it?
8:16 Especially for my dads out there listening.
8:18 But there's so much in this article that could be broken down.
8:22 But there's just a few sections that I think are going to be most important for us to kind
8:25 of go over.
8:26 So I'm going to pull those sections out.
8:27 I'll reread those short sections to you, and then we'll talk a little bit about it
8:30 there.
8:31 And these are going to be in order so you can find them later on if you're scanning through
8:34 the article.
8:35 So here's the first quote I want to talk about here.
8:37 "I am a doctor, an expert in sexual health.
8:40 But when you think about it, aren't I a sex worker?
8:43 And in some ways, aren't we all?"
8:46 What is she even talking about?
8:50 Okay.
8:51 So here's the thing.
8:52 Is if you've got like half your brain remaining in your head, the thing where she says aren't
8:56 I just a sex worker because she works in sexual health, yeah, you could probably see that.
9:01 You could probably say, okay, yeah, you're a person that's an expert in sex and you work
9:05 on it.
9:06 So you could say you're a sex worker.
9:07 But obviously in the context of this article, as she says throughout, sex worker means somebody
9:12 who is paid to give people sexual favors.
9:15 Most of the time, which is penetrative, right?
9:18 But when she says, and in some ways, aren't we all?
9:23 Where is she getting off, including all of us in our respective fields and our respective
9:28 things that we're experts at or the things that we at least have experience in?
9:33 Where in the world is she getting this idea that aren't we all sex workers?
9:38 Because the idea in my head that comes to mind when I think about a sex worker, somebody
9:41 that works in the sex industry.
9:44 And that sells parts of their bodies to other people or for the eyeballs of other people,
9:49 right?
9:50 That's what I think of.
9:52 So you can see at the beginning of this, this is a very kind of easy slide of hand for
9:55 someone like this, but they're trying to bring us all into the story, right?
10:01 It's almost like whenever you're afraid that you're going to take the blame for something,
10:03 you start to spread it around a little bit.
10:06 And so she's trying to make this grandiose statement that, hey, we're all in this together.
10:11 We're all in this big, large group, we could all be sex workers.
10:15 So but if you have a fully developed adult brain, you can obviously read that and say
10:19 that, okay, that's, that's pretty darn ridiculous.
10:22 So this next section here, this is a little bit like that quote before, but I'll go and
10:25 give you this and then we'll go ahead and get into it.
10:27 So here's a quote.
10:28 I find it interesting that as a medical doctor, I exchange payment in the form of money with
10:33 people to provide them with advice and treatment for sex related problems, therapy for sexual
10:37 performance, counseling and therapy for relationship problems, and treatment of sexually transmitted
10:41 infection.
10:42 Isn't this basically sex work?
10:44 I do not believe it is right or just that people who exchange sexual services for money
10:48 are criminalized.
10:49 And I am not for what I do is a medical degree, really the right measure of who is deserving
10:54 of dignity, autonomy, safety in the workplace, fair trade, and the freedom of employment.
10:59 No, this should not be so those who engage in sex work deserve those things to unquote.
11:06 So obviously she kind of makes at the beginning side of that.
11:09 She says, isn't this basically sex work?
11:11 No, it's not basically sex work because you talked to people about sexual performance.
11:15 I mean, she would, what would she say?
11:17 Because I've mentioned the word sex on this podcast and I'm a sex worker.
11:20 It's nonsense.
11:21 It's a ridiculous thing.
11:22 But again, she's lamenting the fact that her profession is not criminalized, but at no
11:29 point do we have any indication that she's tried to change the law to make that the truth.
11:35 She wants to decriminalize sex work, but she also at the same time is including what she
11:39 does, which is legal in the category of sex work.
11:44 So wouldn't she just be just as happy to criminalize what she's doing?
11:49 I mean, why isn't she going?
11:51 She's from South Africa.
11:52 Why isn't she going to the local magistrates or people that create the legislature over
11:55 there and say, hey, I would like to be criminalized for the things that I'm doing.
11:59 That would be absurd.
12:00 They'd probably laugh her right out of the courtroom, but at the same time, isn't that
12:03 kind of the same thing that she's wanting?
12:06 It's a silly, silly statement for her to make, but she's making it again.
12:09 That's attached to the last one, but let's go ahead and move on here to the next quote.
12:12 So here we go.
12:13 Quote, still continued criminalization of sex work and sex workers is a form of violence
12:19 by governments and contributes to the high level of stigma and decriminalization.
12:23 Okay, that's unquote, unquote there.
12:26 So here's the thing.
12:29 This is one of those people.
12:31 This is obviously someone that's on the very far left, the fringes of the left even that
12:35 thinks speech is violence or that certain laws, criminalizing things that are on the spectrum
12:42 of morality, good and bad morality, that that is somehow violence.
12:47 So just in case you've never heard this quote before, I'm not coming up with this quote
12:52 myself.
12:53 I didn't come up with this, but here's the quote, speech is not violence.
12:58 Words are not violence.
13:00 I can say, I'm going to punch you in the nose.
13:03 That is not akin to me punching you in the nose.
13:05 Now if I say I'm going to punch you in the nose and then I do it, it's kind of like,
13:08 Hey, I gave you a hint.
13:09 You knew this was coming, but this is another attempt by her to pretend as if we are harming
13:17 mainly these women that are selling their bodies to other people.
13:21 That somehow the fact that we keep it illegal makes it a very, carry kind of this negative
13:30 stigma that somehow making this illegal is akin to discrimination.
13:38 But if she were in front of me, I would ask her discrimination in what way like, what
13:43 do you mean?
13:44 And she would probably respond with, well, this is their chosen profession and this is
13:47 how they chose to make money and how they want to make money.
13:51 And we'll deal with that want part here more in a little bit.
13:55 But let's go ahead and get into the next quote here, quote, governments ignore the nuanced
14:00 histories and contexts in different countries and thus continue to wrongfully offer blanket
14:05 solutions and rescue models that advocate for partial decriminalization or continued
14:10 criminalization.
14:11 They also ignore the wishes of sex workers who want full decriminalization, unquote.
14:18 So here's the thing.
14:19 She at the very beginning of that, she's saying, Oh, well, you, we just don't understand the
14:22 nuance, but, but clearly she does that this, this lady understands the nuance.
14:28 She understands fully the nuance histories and contexts in different countries.
14:33 She's the one that we should be listening to this person who's writing 14 Vogue.
14:38 She's obviously a mental and intellectual heavyweight.
14:42 But the interesting thing at the end is she says they also ignore the wishes of sex workers
14:47 who want full decriminalization.
14:50 So you're telling me that criminals want what they're doing to break the law, to be decriminalized.
14:59 You don't say I wonder if people that run drugs wish it was decriminalized now it would
15:07 affect how much they're able to sell their products for because that's just basic market
15:11 economics.
15:12 But at the same time, what point are you making here?
15:15 They also ignore the wishes of sex workers who want full decriminalization.
15:19 I bet they do.
15:22 I bet the ones that are there fully in there, especially the men that are typically running
15:26 these women would prefer for that to happen, right?
15:31 Unless taxes get involved and all those different things, but this is such a silly thing that
15:35 it's, Oh, weird criminals want their crimes to be decriminalized.
15:38 It's just another sentence that literally ends up nowhere.
15:41 It's just kind of another circular argument.
15:43 But let's go to the last couple of quotes here.
15:45 So here's the second to last one quote, sex workers must be affirmed through upholding
15:51 and the protection of their human rights to autonomy, dignity, fair labor practices, access
15:56 to evidence based care.
15:58 It is for this and many other reasons that I believe sex work and sex worker rights are
16:02 women's rights, health rights, labor rights, and the litmus test for intersectional feminism.
16:10 It's that last sentence there that really I think actually did actively kill brain cells,
16:15 brain cells in my head, like it's hard to even put words together at this exact moment.
16:20 But she's drawing an unbelievable connective line here, an unbelievable line.
16:27 And that line is the line between prostitution and women's rights.
16:33 As this, this is something that we should be championing.
16:37 But if you're a first, second, or third wave feminist, or if you're someone that's just
16:40 in port in support of feminist ideas, that this is an idea that we all need to get behind.
16:46 But she turns it into this gigantic category of women's rights, health rights, labor rights,
16:53 and this one, which is just one of the dumbest phrases in the history of the planet.
16:57 The litmus test for the intersectional feminism.
17:01 Wow.
17:03 The litmus test for intersectional feminism.
17:07 It's just incredible.
17:08 I mean, you could probably, there are probably entire studies, entire sectors of gender studies
17:13 that you could dedicate just to that one incredible sentence.
17:16 But again, it's this idea that we need to affirm these women.
17:20 We need to affirm these quote, unquote choices that they've made to get into this line of
17:25 work.
17:27 More on that here in a little bit.
17:28 But let's go and get into the last quote here, quote, further, the impact of continued criminalization
17:34 of the majority of sex workers, most of whom are cisgender women and transgender women mean
17:40 that sex worker rights are a feminist issue.
17:44 If you support women's rights, I urge you to support the global demand for sex work
17:48 to criminalization and fund evidence and rights based intersectional programs aimed at sex
17:53 workers and their clients, unquote.
17:55 So we should join in and support these individuals.
18:01 And the thing is, is she's trying to draw a line between people that think that this
18:04 is a good idea and people that don't think this is a good idea.
18:06 Because she says, if you support women's rights dot dot dot, which I think everyone listening
18:12 to this podcast supports women's rights, right?
18:15 Because the overwhelming majority of my listeners here are Christian men, right?
18:19 And if you're not a Christian, we're ecstatic that you're listening into this.
18:22 We hope that you're getting something out of it.
18:23 But of course, we understand that women's rights are appropriate because we understand
18:28 that women have the Amago day, we understand that they have the image of God written on
18:33 their souls.
18:35 They're owned by him, their, their souls were purchased at the cost of Jesus's life.
18:40 We understand that.
18:42 But to someone like this, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this person's probably
18:45 a secular humanist, probably an atheist or agnostic.
18:49 What is her basis for women's rights?
18:53 I mean, where does she get her paradigm?
18:57 It makes no sense.
18:59 But the thing about this article is that teen Vogue, I think they knew what they were doing.
19:05 I think they knew whenever they put this out that they were going to get some flack and
19:08 obviously they've been receiving severe amounts of flack for this.
19:12 But this is the same publication that back in 2017 brought us the, you know, incredible
19:17 article anal sex, what you need to know again, this is teen Vogue 12 to 16 year old girls
19:28 is who's reading this, anal sex, what you need to know.
19:31 And the thing is, is back in 2017, if you were paying attention, if you express any
19:36 negativity towards that article, you already know where this is going.
19:41 It's because you're homophobic.
19:44 Ah.
19:45 So if you think it's inappropriate for a magazine to post an article telling you about the internal
19:53 and external things that could happen during anal sex and you're a young girl, if you express
20:00 any dissent to that, oh gosh, you're just a homophobe.
20:04 The thought of anal sex to you just seems to be so, so bad, right?
20:10 That was their main, their main line of argumentation.
20:12 But again, there, there's a lot of things that you can deal with and there's a lot of
20:16 worldview implications for an article like this and it's certainly been making the rounds,
20:20 you know, by the time you're listening to this, it's probably going to be a week or two, you
20:23 know, just we've moved on to the next crazy thing that's happened.
20:26 But there are several key observations that I wanted to make from this that I think is
20:30 especially pertinent to our audience here, okay?
20:33 So the first key observation is this, almost 100% of the women in sex work would rather
20:41 be doing something else.
20:44 I mean, how many of these people when they were little girls, whenever they're going
20:48 around and the teacher's like, "What do you want to be when you grow up?"
20:51 And little Jimmy's like, "I want to be an astronaut."
20:53 And little Jimmy's like, "I want to be a teacher."
20:55 And then you ask, you know, little Rachel and she's like, "I want to, I almost said
20:59 something, crude.
21:00 I want to have sex with people for money."
21:02 I mean, they, they, they, it's so flummoxing like I'm sitting here like stumbling over
21:09 my words.
21:10 Like, what do they think these women want to be doing?
21:14 I mean, you can just look on the internet and look for these, these articles and these
21:19 stories and these YouTube videos of these women that have been saved mainly by ministries
21:24 or by other types of people and, and been rescued from sex work of all kinds and listen
21:29 to the deep amounts of regret that these women have.
21:33 The entire time they didn't think they had another option, right?
21:39 They didn't think there was another option out there for them.
21:41 They were uneducated.
21:42 They were poor.
21:43 They had family to support, right?
21:45 And so this was something where, you know, they were able to make what would, a lot of
21:49 people would consider to be really, really good money and all they had to do was sell
21:52 their bodies.
21:54 But to make this implication that the majority of these women want to be doing this is absurd
22:00 and gross.
22:03 And the second key observation is this is that the majority of women in sex work have
22:07 suffered from some form of sexual or mental abuse.
22:11 And the majority of them are, are currently that are currently in this line of work are
22:16 suffering from sexual and mental abuse.
22:19 They have pimps or they have people that are controlling them that, that are keeping them
22:23 locked down, you know, Hollywood and other people and other kind of like fringy feminists
22:29 want to make it seem like this is just a really controlled environment that you go into this
22:33 very sterile and clean environment.
22:36 You know, put your money into the slot and you walk into the room and you have a, you
22:39 shake hands.
22:40 "Hi, this is me.
22:41 Hi, this is you.
22:42 You know, what would you like me to wear for this particular occasion?"
22:45 And then you go in there, you get your jollies off and then you move on with your day.
22:49 Under what circumstances could you possibly believe that that's how this goes?
22:54 Now, you're listening to this from a guy that has never participated in this particular
22:58 line of work, never been to a strip club, never even been around a prostitute as far
23:03 as I can tell, but the idea that these women are just fully healthy and still choosing
23:08 to do this is rich.
23:10 It's absolutely rich.
23:13 The fourth observation I want to talk to you about is this is that society is moving
23:18 towards the normalization of pedophilia.
23:22 And this is just another step in that direction.
23:25 And now obviously this seems like a pretty, pretty sizable shift up here, but you just
23:29 have to think about this guys.
23:30 Again, this is teen Vogue magazine.
23:32 Again, follow me here, follow me.
23:35 This is teen Vogue magazine.
23:38 And this is an article that essentially is encouraging girls below the age of 18, most
23:46 of which are quite a bit below the age of 18, encouraging them to get into sex work because
23:52 they're normalizing it.
23:55 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, that some people go out and their busser is it out back
23:59 or they're, you know, they're helping people clean up stuff at the golf course or, you
24:03 know, maybe they got an internship with an accounting firm, but you know what, you could
24:07 always just, you know, pull off your top, have people pay for it, give you $1 bills.
24:13 You get enough of those.
24:14 You'll be fine.
24:15 Few lab dances a night.
24:16 That'll help pay the rent.
24:19 But the big thing about it here is one of the things that predators love are underage individuals
24:27 that believe that is what is happening to them is normal.
24:31 Tell me again, follow me here because one of the things that pedophiles do, you can see
24:35 this, it's all over the literature and the research here with pedophiles is they are
24:39 trying to groom the people, the young boys and the young girls over time so that they
24:47 can eventually take advantage of them sexually because for a lot of these individuals, for
24:53 a lot of these young people, let's just talk about young girls.
24:56 If you were to just go right into the things that you eventually do with these girls from
24:59 the very beginning, it's going to seem so otherworldly and so shocking and scarring that it's probably
25:05 going to be a negative reaction.
25:06 You're probably going to get caught because they're probably going to tell somebody.
25:10 But you see this overwhelming amount of time and effort spent by these pedophiles to normalize
25:17 their presence first, normalize the fact that, you know, it's just normal that this person
25:22 is around.
25:24 And then it's just normal that this person's going to hug you a little bit longer than
25:28 other people do.
25:29 But it's normal that this person is going to touch you in areas and in ways that no one
25:33 else does.
25:35 And so on and so forth.
25:36 Don't worry.
25:37 I'm not going to go all the way with that particular line of thinking.
25:40 But this is the best thing that a pedophile could think of because that's got to really
25:46 try your patience if you're a pedophile, right?
25:49 Because you just want to get your jolly's off as quickly as possible.
25:52 But if you have to spend weeks or months kind of normalizing and grooming this individual,
25:56 gosh, it just kind of keeps you from getting to where you want to be, right?
26:01 But whenever they think that this is normal, that if you just take payment as if this is
26:07 just some sort of a service that you provide, right, then that's great.
26:13 And society is doing a lot of things.
26:15 Now, I'll probably do an entire podcast episode on the future in this, but it seems like drag
26:19 queens are everywhere right now, right?
26:23 You know, we have drag queen storytime at libraries and we have, you know, nine year
26:27 old boys that are, you know, world famous as drag queens now.
26:31 These highly sexualized forms of women, even though they are boys or young men.
26:38 But if we normalize it, it's not going to be that big of a deal.
26:42 And people always, whenever you start making the slippery soak argument, argument, they're
26:46 like, Oh, gosh, here we go.
26:47 This conservative Christian making the slippery slope argument.
26:50 Here we go again.
26:51 But the thing about it is, is that's how the world works.
26:55 Because when you push past a certain line, and that line becomes established, you can
26:59 continue pushing past the new line that you've established.
27:02 That's how slippery slopes work because there were things that, you know, one generation
27:07 ago were absolutely unfathomable, you know, think about gay marriage.
27:11 That was unfathomable one generation ago.
27:14 And now it's old hat.
27:16 Right now it seems unfathomable that we would think that polygamy is something that we should
27:20 be able to do.
27:21 But if love is love, right?
27:24 If love is just love, then why can't a man have more than one wife?
27:29 Why can a woman have more than one husband?
27:34 And then the line eventually is pushed to, well, if love is love, and I'm a 30 year old
27:38 man and you're a 15 year old girl, well, that's enough for consent, right?
27:44 We love each other.
27:46 I mean, if love is love, right?
27:49 You see what I'm saying?
27:51 These arguments are absurd, but this is where society is pushing you.
27:54 When society doesn't have anything to anchor itself to, namely a God that gave us these
27:59 rules for morality, then we just have to make it up.
28:02 And we make it up based on logic and reason alone, which takes us down this path.
28:07 In the last observation I want to make for you guys here is dads.
28:11 You better be paying attention.
28:14 There's a lot of dads listening to this right now and you've got little girls.
28:19 Are they reading Teen Vogue?
28:22 Are there friends reading Teen Vogue?
28:26 Are they reading articles about anal sex, about sex work, about how to pleasure their
28:31 boyfriend, how to do all these different things that adults do?
28:38 What are they reading guys?
28:40 What are their friends reading?
28:41 What articles are they sharing back and forth?
28:42 What types of pictures are they sharing?
28:44 You know those pictures that disappear after a day on Snapchat?
28:48 What's in those pictures?
28:49 Do they have a boyfriend?
28:52 What kind of pictures are they sharing back and forth?
28:55 What kind of things are they talking about?
28:58 Because guess what guys?
29:00 Once they get outside of the bubble of your house, they're in society's bubble.
29:04 And in society's bubble, you get stuff like this article.
29:09 Normalizing sex work, prostitution, stripping, escorting, all those things just normalizes
29:14 it.
29:16 So this is my encouragement to you dads.
29:18 And again, I'm giving advice to dads even though I don't have kids myself, right?
29:22 But if I'm wrong, tell me otherwise it's probably just good advice.
29:27 You got to be on top of this and you got to be on top of this from an early age.
29:31 And I'm not excluding the boys here because there are obviously other concerns with the
29:35 boys.
29:36 But the statistics on girls and boys, especially around things like pornography, are damning.
29:41 The age that these youngins are looking at pornography keeps getting younger and younger
29:46 every year.
29:47 Eventually it has to stop just because of, you know, that's the way the world works.
29:50 I mean, you can't really have a one year old doesn't really know what that looks like,
29:53 right?
29:54 But it just keeps getting younger and younger.
29:57 And so through pornography, things like hardcore sex are being normalized in the minds of these
30:02 girls.
30:04 That's what the research says as well.
30:05 It's because they're basically getting their cues, right?
30:08 They're getting their cues from what they see on these videos.
30:11 And they're seeing these, these hardcore pornography images or videos that basically say, oh,
30:18 if I'm the girl in this scenario, I need to, I need to want this and I need to need to
30:21 be in pain, but enjoy it.
30:23 I need to do all these things, right?
30:25 Because that's normal.
30:26 Oh, you know, if my boyfriend wants to have anal sex, it's just, well, I read that article
30:30 and I kind of know what to expect now.
30:32 So, so let's just go ahead and do that.
30:34 Oh, you know, protection is one thing.
30:36 But, you know, I don't really want to be limited, right?
30:39 And so if I really want to be with somebody at that exact moment and there's no protection
30:43 available, you know, I should still be able to make that decision because, you know, bodily
30:46 autonomy and whatnot, you know, but guys, we've got to get real.
30:53 Our girls are going to be exposed to so many things and we won't be around.
30:59 If you're an uncle out there or if you've got best friends, I've got daughters like you've
31:03 got to share this type of information around, share this podcast, share these articles that
31:08 I'm going to share with you in just a second because we got to be aware because I know
31:11 a lot of guys are just aloof.
31:14 You just don't know exactly when the other foot's going to drop and you're just trying
31:17 to make sure that you keep your head above water and you keep your job and you keep your
31:21 wife off your back and you, you know, you keep the lawn mode and you keep all these
31:24 different things.
31:25 Sometimes you forget that you need to protect the people that can't be, you can't protect
31:28 themselves like your daughters.
31:31 So for all you fathers out there, be dutiful, like they live in your house for the most
31:38 part, right?
31:39 So the phone that they have is not their phone.
31:42 It's your phone.
31:43 So you go through that whenever the heck you want to.
31:45 You don't need my permission by any means, but I do know guys out there that are absolutely
31:49 afraid of their teenage daughters and for good reason.
31:53 I mean, I in my own family, my sister doesn't even talk to my dad hasn't talked to him for
31:58 like two decades, right? And the guy never did anything to her.
32:02 So since she was a teenager, she just decided that she wasn't going to have a relationship
32:06 with my father.
32:07 I mean, well, it's inexplicable.
32:10 So I understand logically why some of you guys out there are so afraid of your daughters,
32:16 how they can just make you feel so small, but that is your daughter.
32:20 You have been charged with protecting her.
32:22 Your wife can't protect her the same way that you can.
32:26 So allow this to be the encouragement to you guys that society is going to continue to teach
32:31 these things to them.
32:33 You have to do enough things to counteract the nonsense that they're being spewed.
32:37 All right, guys, before we get out of here, we're going to do a quick resilience boost.
32:41 As you know, why by now we are immense ministry and our mission is cultivating manly resilience.
32:45 Specifically we do that by providing content that for just spiritual, mental and physical
32:50 toughness.
32:51 So today I'm going to give you a rundown.
32:52 I obviously am going to include the Teen Vogue article called sex work is real work, but
32:56 there's a couple of opinion pieces that were written in response to this.
33:00 One is by national review or it was written on national review.
33:03 It's called Teen Vogue support of sex work is delusional and dangerous.
33:06 So that's a good one there.
33:07 And then there's another one from the USA today which says, Hey, Teen Vogue on career
33:11 day.
33:12 No young girl should say I want to be a prostitute.
33:14 So I thought those were two very well done responses to this article in addition to what
33:19 we gave to you today.
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