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- This is Undaunted Life of Man's podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson, let's get into it.
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Our guys today is a little bit of a bonus episode
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and we haven't done this before
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and the circumstances are not very good
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for the reason why we're doing this.
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We're gonna be talking about the mass shooting
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that took place in Christchurch, New Zealand.
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So I wanted to record this within just a few days
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of the attack, but I wanted to let some
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of the information come out because you know
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the initial reports, sometimes you get initial reports
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that are fabricated in one way or another.
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Things seem worse than they are.
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Things aren't nearly as bad as they actually are.
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And so I wanted to get there to be a little bit of time
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in between that, but as we sit right now,
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this is actually just after midnight Sunday morning,
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I'm recording this podcast
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and just basically putting it out immediately.
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And guys, I guess the easiest way to do this
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is there's so much information out there.
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So what I just wanna do is I found an article on BBC news.
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I felt like they did a really good job of breaking down
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what happened and then we're gonna talk about
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some of the ramifications of that and some things
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that thinking Christians and men of God
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like the guys that are listening to this,
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the ways that we should maybe react to this
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and some things that we should be thinking about.
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One thing before I read this,
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I'm gonna do what we've seen a lot of new
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news organizations doing now.
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Unfortunately, it's more the smaller news organizations,
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not many of the bigger ones.
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I'm not gonna be reading the killer's name
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or any of the people involved
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because there is quite a bit of research coming out now
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saying that when we glorify or not necessarily glorify,
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but when we name these mass shooters,
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when we show their manifestos and we show their pictures
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and when we show their videos,
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when we do any of things like that,
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people that are considering mass shootings,
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it doesn't deter them and actually emboldens them.
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And so I don't wanna do that here
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for anyone that might be thinking this
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or anyone that might get their hands on this podcast.
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So as I read through this,
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I will just be saying the shooter or the killer
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or something like that.
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I will not actually be using the person's name.
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So I'm just gonna read this.
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It's an article that was posted,
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I guess it was posted today,
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but it's called Christ Church Shootings,
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how the attacks unfolded.
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So here we go.
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50 people have been killed
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and another 50 wounded in shootings
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at two mosques in Christ Church, New Zealand.
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In the deadliest attack in the country's history.
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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Arden called it
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one of New Zealand's darkest days.
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Here's what we know so far about how the attacks unfolded.
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The first shooting took place
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at Al-Nur Mosque in Central Christ Church.
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A gunman using the name,
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again, we will not use his name just the shooter,
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livestreamed footage of his rampage to Facebook,
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filmed with a head-mounted camera.
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Footage showed the man armed with semi-automatic weapons
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firing indiscriminately at men, women and children
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from close range inside the mosque.
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The attacker's head cam footage begins
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in an industrial estate on Leslie Hill's drive,
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just west of Al-Nur Mosque.
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It shows him driving south on the Mandeville Street
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and Blenheim roads towards the city center
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before turning North up Dean's Avenue.
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He reaches the mosque a few minutes later,
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pulling the car into an alleyway at the side of the building
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and turning the car around to park facing Dean's Avenue.
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The suspect gets out, selects a weapon
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from the boot of the car,
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that's the back of the car,
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and walks to the building where he begins his deadly attack
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on worshippers inside.
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This was approximately 1340 local time.
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Six minutes later, he drives along Dean's Avenue
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around the Botanic Gardens to Beasley Avenue,
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where his head cam footage cuts out.
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The second attack then took place a little later,
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five kilometers away at Linwood Mosque,
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east of the city center.
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So here's the kind of a breakdown of the first attack
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at Al-Nur Mosque where it left 42 dead.
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By 1411, police confirmed they were attending
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an evolving situation and schools went into lockdown
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on a few minutes later.
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At 1430, police confirmed the incident involved a gunman.
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The head cam images show the gunman passing from room to room,
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killing as he goes and shooting the wounded from close range.
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The attacker targeted both the men's and women's
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prayer rooms.
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Witnesses told local media they ran for their lives
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and saw people bleeding on the ground outside the building.
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There were bodies all over, one man said.
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And so now the second attack at Linwood Mosque
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where eight people were killed,
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one of whom died in the hospital later from the injuries.
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There were fewer details about the attack
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in the Christchurch suburb of Linwood.
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Survival's told media that they saw a gunman
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in a black motorcycle helmet open fire
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on about 100 people praying inside.
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Police Commissioner Mike Bush described the twin attacks
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as a very well planned event.
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Firearms were recovered from both scenes.
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Two IEDs and provides explosive devices were found in the car
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and neutralized by the military police set.
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Australian National, again, the, I'm not gonna use the guy's name,
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it was a 28 year old.
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He appeared in court on Christchurch
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a day later charged with murder.
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The New Zealand resident was remanded in custody.
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A man with the same name appears to have published a manifesto
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before the attack outlining his intentions.
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He identified himself as a 28 year old Australian citizen
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and espoused far right in anti-immigrant ideology.
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Two other men and one woman were detained nearby
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and firearms seized.
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Officers are investigating whether they are involved.
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Okay, so a couple of other things
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that I'd like to add to the information here.
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So the gunman actually had a bunch of names written
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on the semi-automatic weapon that he was using.
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It was an assault rifle of some kind.
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And there were some of these names that were, you know,
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like PewDiePie from YouTube.
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And like there were people that were named in the manifesto.
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The thing that seemed very clear about this individual,
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the manifesto that he posted out there.
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He's trying to just gin some stuff up
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because in one place he'll say things
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that are for a certain political character
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or political person and then just a sentence or two later
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he'll say something against that person.
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So we don't know if he has like an exact ideology
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but we can say with pretty good amount of assurance
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that this individual was a white supremacist
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that had white supremacist ideology
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and was acting out on it.
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The video actually went viral again.
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It was about a 17 minute long video if I can recall correctly
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that he was live streaming to Facebook.
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And of course it went to Twitter and Instagram
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and it's all over the place.
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And those organizations to their credit
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have done all that they can to get those videos gone.
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But unfortunately they didn't recognize
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what was happening with the video until it was too late,
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until it had been copied and pasted pretty much everywhere.
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And to be honest with you guys,
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I actually did watch the first part of the first video
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where it was the attack of him at the original mosque.
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And this guy was just kind of talking to himself, you know,
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laughing.
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It was absolutely brutal.
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It was absolutely gruesome.
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Again, I don't know why I watch it.
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I don't know that I would suggest that you guys watch it.
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Again, I don't really turn away from depravity
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and sinful things that we see in human beings.
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It's just not something that I think we should look away from.
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But I honestly don't know what it added to my life
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to watch what this person did.
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But I guess it is good to know
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even from a defensive standpoint
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kind of how this person operated
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because he literally just walked right through the front doors
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with an AR-15.
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It was either an AR-15 or an AK-47.
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I couldn't remember from the video.
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But he just had it just walking right in front of him.
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He's just walking right in with it.
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And then just started shooting people.
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He literally was systematic.
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He would leave and go into the hallway
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and put a new magazine into his gun
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whenever he needed to reload.
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And then we'd come back in
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and he would systematically kill people.
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Just absolutely, absolutely brutal.
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I guess at this point, after talking about enough,
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I don't know that I would suggest that you guys watch it.
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I mean, it's as bad as you could possibly imagine.
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But there's a few quick thoughts.
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This will not be a long podcast, guys.
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But there are a few quick thoughts
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that have basically hit me since this happened.
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And so I want to go ahead and share those with you here.
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I guess the first thought is
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an attack on any group of religious people
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while they're observing their religious ceremonies
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is especially troubling.
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And so the thing about it is,
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is this just so happened to be a group of Muslims.
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But there are plenty of people on this planet
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that hate people of all religions.
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There are people that hate Christians,
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they hate Sikhs, they hate Muslims, they hate Hindus,
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they hate just pick a religion Jews.
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I mean, there's just people to hate out there.
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So there are groups of people that will hate those people.
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And typically, those people like to display their hate.
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Some of them use words,
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some of them use things that they write online,
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some of them will use their fists,
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other people use bullets.
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And so, but it's just something different.
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It's just a whole different brand
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of something to see people attacked
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while they were worshiping
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in the way that they chose to worship.
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A second thought would be,
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if this didn't hit you that hard
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when you heard about it,
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because it was Muslims that were massacred,
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you need to check yourself, okay?
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'Cause I've heard some things
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and I've seen some things so far
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that were like, oh, well,
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I wonder how they feel now being on the other side of this.
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And those are pretty disturbing to hear people think,
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to talk about that.
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'Cause these are 50 innocent people,
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men, women, and children that were absolutely massacred.
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You might disagree with how they worship
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or who they worship or how they go about certain things.
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But the idea that, oh, well,
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now the shoe's on the other foot.
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So I wonder how it tastes from their perspective now.
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That's an especially egregious and gross thing to think.
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So again, for any of you guys that are thinking that right now,
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if maybe this didn't hit you as hard as the church shooting
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from Texas or something like that,
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because it wasn't Christians,
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I just don't really know what else to say to you other than,
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that's incredibly disappointing
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and you're a gross person for thinking something like that.
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Another thought here would be,
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if you immediately went political with your reaction,
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you also need to check yourself.
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So you're a very atypical, very much expected reactions
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from certain people like, oh, this is a gun problem
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or oh, this is a white supremacist problem
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or oh, Donald Trump's responsible for this
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or oh, Fox News is responsible for this.
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The NRA is responsible for this somehow.
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But to be real, the gun laws in New Zealand
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are incredibly restrictive.
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So this is not a country that has a whole lot of gun violence.
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I think the statistics last year,
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there were like 35 people total
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that were murdered in New Zealand last year.
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And not all of those were using a gun.
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And so, but everyone just has their quick political take, right?
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Like that's what they kind of need to just get out there, right?
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Get it to their followers.
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They got a blue check mark by their name.
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And so they got to throw some sort of piffy
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political statement out there.
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Gosh, for the love of God, now is not that time, guys.
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I mean, this is horrible.
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This is one of the worst mass shootings that we've ever seen.
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We've ever seen, you know, done by civilian
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in any country, in any circumstances.
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Like, you want to give it maybe 48 hours, maybe 72 hours,
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before you start throwing out your political, you know,
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ideological phrases.
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Let's just save it maybe for a little bit.
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And another thought that came to mind,
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and because we saw people basically rush to do this,
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if you mock quote, unquote, thoughts and prayers right now,
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go screw yourself.
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So AOC, or otherwise known as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
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she is a House member, a Democratic House member
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from the state of New York.
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She's an all around village idiot.
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But here's something that she decided to tweet
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basically right after this shooting.
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So here we go.
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At first, I thought of saying, imagine being told
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your house of faith isn't safe anymore.
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But I couldn't say imagine.
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Because of Charleston, Pittsburgh, Sutherland Hills.
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What good are your thoughts and prayers
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when you don't even keep the pews safe?
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What an evil, just horrific [inaudible] she is.
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Like, honestly, that was the first thing
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that came to her mind.
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Good grief.
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I'm so ecstatic.
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She's been ripped up and down for this.
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And the thing is that she kind of doubled down,
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but also tried to walk it back a tweet or two later,
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'cause she was just getting destroyed for it.
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She basically insinuated that the phrase,
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thoughts and prayers was made up by the NRA,
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the National Rifle Association.
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How stupid of a person do you have to be
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to say something so inane and so moronic?
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The NRA came up with thoughts and prayers, really?
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Disunbelievable, just absolutely unbelievable.
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So again, if you're one of those people,
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like it's so hard to even come up with something
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to say to you because the level of understanding
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and the level of neurons basically firing in your brain
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at the same time have to be so low for you
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to be able to think and actually say something like that.
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It would be a complete waste of my time
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to even address you.
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It's just insane.
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A another quick thought here.
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If you aren't left of bang while at church, you are sheep.
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So just phraseology here, left of bang,
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that's basically right of bang is okay,
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after a shooting has happened
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or after the bomb has gone off, right?
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Left of bang is all the things that happen
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before something goes down, right?
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Because typically these shootings or these bombings
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or things like that, these attacks,
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they don't just fall out of the sky.
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There are signals in their signs
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if you're paying attention, okay?
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So the reality is, is so many people
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that walk through the churches in America,
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even in cities and towns and states where,
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there's a lot of guns in the room probably.
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Most people are just kind of walking around
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not paying any attention.
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They're not paying attention to the exits.
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They're not paying attention to the person
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that sat down next to them.
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They're not paying attention to the person
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that walked in a little bit late.
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They're just oblivious to everything.
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And again, as we know from on combat,
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you're either a sheep, a wolf or a sheep dog.
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And unfortunately, the majority of the people
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that get killed in these type of mass shooting events
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are sheep.
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These are people that just absolutely freeze up
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and they don't exactly know what to do.
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I saw a video the other day of,
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I think this was a week or two ago
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where there was a school shooting in Brazil.
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I think there were eight or nine young people
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that were killed, but basically the shooter,
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the killer walked into the lobby,
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pulled a gun out of his waistband and just started shooting
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people.
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And there was some sort of a signal or alarm that went off
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because basically anybody that would kind of come
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through this area, he would shoot them.
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And I think he had like a hook or some sort of a knife
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or something like that that he was like stabbing people with
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and hooking people with as they were kind of coming through.
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But the video was especially crazy
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because he's standing there in the middle
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and then all of a sudden we see dozens and dozens
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and dozens of students that are running for the door.
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They're literally running right past this guy
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who's waving around a gun and a knife.
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And again, I'm certainly not dogging on these kids
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and I'm not getting on them.
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But at that point, if two or three of those students
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turned and attacked that person
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or basically confronted that person,
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it would have saved several lives.
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But they were all in that moment of sheer terror, right?
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They were acting as a sheep.
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They weren't mentally prepared to go after this guy
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to try and stop him, okay?
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Because here's the thing in this,
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I guess gets into the last point here,
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which is you have to be prepared to fight back
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and stop those that intend to do evil.
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This is part of the reason why I can still carry.
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This is part of the reason why I also carry a knife.
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This is part of the reason why I trained jujitsu.
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And I train those things not only because they can be hobbies
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and they can be fun, I train to be lethal.
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I mean, honestly, that's what I'm training to do.
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I'm training to be lethal with every weapons system
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that's at my disposal.
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And if there is not a weapons system directly at my disposal,
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then it's something that I want to be able to make do with.
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So if I don't have a gun or a knife or anything else,
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and I have to use it, a chair or a stool
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or a book or something like that,
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you just do what you can.
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But it's a lot about the mindset.
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And I'm really concerned for people in America
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that walk into a place of worship,
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which we've obviously seen around the world,
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is not the safest place in America.
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And they just walk in oblivious to everything
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and they're not prepared to fight back.
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And I just don't really know what to say
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to these individuals.
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But I'm talking to y'all right now.
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I've at least got part of your attention right now.
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And so this is what I would say to you guys,
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is you have to be left of bang.
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Win at church, especially win at church.
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Because I mean, you should be left of bang
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at the post office at Walmart, at your kid's soccer game
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or whatever the thing is,
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you need to be left to bang at all times,
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but especially at church.
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Because, I mean, we're sitting ducks at church.
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I mean, if you think about it, think about your church,
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I don't even know what church you go to,
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but I can pretty much guarantee you,
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there are one or two main entrances or exits.
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I mean, I used to tend a massive, massive church
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here in Edmond, Oklahoma.
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There are basically four exits.
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One on either side and two in the back.
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And I just remember thinking,
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even when I was helping on the security team,
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I remember thinking, man, if I walked in here
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with a serious weapon system,
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like, it would be literally like shooting fish in a barrel.
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No, I mean, no one would be able to stop me.
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I could put myself in a corner
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where no one could literally get to me.
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And these people would literally be trampling each other
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just to get out.
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Most churches, and then you have these old school churches
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where there's one entrance and one exit,
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and it's in the very, very back.
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So, again, it's hard.
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It's hard even thinking through these scenarios.
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And I know for some of you guys,
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you don't really have that mindset.
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It's kind of an ignorance as bliss type of thing.
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And I'm the weirdo that stays up late at night,
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running scenarios of if somebody breaks in this side of the house,
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what do I do?
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And if someone breaks in to this window,
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which gun am I going to grab first?
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Like those types of things.
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But that's just part of being prepared.
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That's part of having the right mindset.
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It's having that sheepdog mindset
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that you're going to be prepared to do what you need to do.
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And the reason why I say that, guys,
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is because this massacre that happened in New Zealand
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could have been a whole lot worse.
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But apparently, and there's not a whole lot of information
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out there right now about that,
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but apparently there was a good guy with a gun
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near or at that second mosque
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who returned fire against the shooter,
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basically stopping him.
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And it allowed the police to catch up with him
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and eventually catch this guy and arrest him.
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And so, again, we don't know anything about this guy
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with a gun, but we don't know if this was just the second
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of multiple mosques thereafter that he was going to go to.
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But let's say that he was just going to indiscriminately
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walk room to room in the second mosque.
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Maybe there's a hundred, 150 people dead now.
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And then what if he had plans to go to a third mosque,
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fourth mosque, fifth mosque?
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What if he was planning to go into a synagogue
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or a church there?
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I mean, those are certainly things that could have happened,
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but there was a good guy with a gun.
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And so, for those of you in America
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that are listening to this, please start training.
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Start training with a weapon system.
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Start training your body.
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Start training your mind to be prepared to launch
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into those different situations.
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And I'll just leave it there.
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We talked about it a lot.
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And guys, we're going to be back on our normal schedule
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after this.
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I know this is kind of a somber podcast.
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We're not going to do a quick resilience boost
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or any type of outro or anything like that.
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But I do just want to leave a message
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for anyone in New Zealand that might listen to this
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or might see this or you might have a Kiwi
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that's close to you.
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There's a phrase that is used in New Zealand.
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It's Kia Kaha.
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So that's KIA, K-A-H-A, two words there, Kia Kaha.
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But it's a Maori phrase in the Maori
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or the indigenous Polynesian people of New Zealand.
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But it's basically an affirmative statement
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that means stay strong.
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And especially Christchurch.
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I mean, that city has gone through so much
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with earthquakes and just really bad things have happened there.
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And then now this, I mean, it's just,
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I mean, it's a city without that many people.
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It's a country without that many people.
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And even for, you know, in small of a city
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as Christchurch to have felt this much pain and tragedy,
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it's absolutely ridiculous and it's crazy
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and it's just really hard, you know?
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So this is our message from Undaunted Life
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to anyone listening to this podcast,
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especially those that are in New Zealand.
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Kia Kaha, New Zealand, stay strong.
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We're here with you.
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Certainly the world is going to give you their sympathy
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in their prayers right now.
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and we will certainly do the same.