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This is Undaunted Life of Man's Podcast.
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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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All right guys, back on episode 37 of this podcast,
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it was called The Devil and the Catholic Church.
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In the middle of going over this subject matter,
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which was obviously talking about the sex abuse scandal
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going on within the Catholic church.
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This was after the report was released
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from the state of Pennsylvania,
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detailing all the different abuses.
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I had this quote while I was flowing on the subject matter.
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And unfortunately, this quote ended up being
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a little bit prophetic.
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So let me go ahead and play that sound by for you right now.
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I mean, in some other people,
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and they say this ignorantly,
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some will say this is a uniquely Catholic problem,
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which I think is so short-sighted.
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'Cause here's the thing, research would suggest
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that priests commit no more abuse than other males.
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Think about that.
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So think about the Boy Scouts, think about summer camp,
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think about sports teams, think about Protestant churches,
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think about them all.
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A lot of these groups are trying to get ahead of this.
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Now, I think I even saw a report where some certain,
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maybe it was a Southern Baptist convention
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or something like that.
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They're trying to get on the other side of this
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because they sense that they're having the same problem
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within their flocks as well.
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So this is not a uniquely Catholic problem
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saying, so it's pretty ridiculous.
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There you go, guys.
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So here we go.
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If you've been paying attention to the news at all,
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you've seen that the Southern Baptist convention is in the news
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and not for the reasons that you would hope.
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So on February 10th of this year,
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so as of the recording of this podcast,
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it was just about a week ago or not even quite a week ago,
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there was a joint,
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kind of a first part of a three-part joint research article
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that was being released by the Houston Chronicle
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and the San Antonio Express News
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and the authors of this were Robert Downan,
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Lisa Olson and John Tedesco.
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And this was basically detailing 20 years' worth
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of sexual abuse inside of churches affiliated
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with the Southern Baptist convention.
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So one thing I don't wanna do here
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is I don't wanna assume that all of you know exactly
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what I'm talking about when it comes to this story,
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but even to just what the Southern Baptist convention is,
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'cause I know some of you listening to this
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don't really have a denominational background.
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Maybe you're not even a Christian and we're super
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and especially thankful that you guys are listening to this.
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But let me just kind of give you
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who the Southern Baptist convention is.
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The Southern Baptist convention is
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a United States Protestant Christian denomination, okay?
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So if you don't really know what denominations are,
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basically, we should just have
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like a gospel-centered view of Christianity,
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but obviously you can have a whole bunch
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of different types of people read the Bible
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and they get different things from it.
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They get different things that think we should do
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and not do within a church context and so boom,
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that's why we have hundreds and hundreds
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of different denominations.
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But the Southern Baptist convention
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is actually the largest Protestant denomination,
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Protestant Christian denomination in the United States.
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And so members of the Southern Baptist convention,
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they basically, they share resources,
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but the individual churches are considered to be autonomous.
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So that is where it is different than the Catholic church,
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where the Catholic church is like a gigantic network
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of diocese and parishes and things like that.
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All the individualized churches are on their own,
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but they can utilize different resources.
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And my understanding is that the Southern Baptist convention,
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whenever everyone comes together
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for those conventions and things like that,
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they will kind of guide them in the type of content
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they would like for them to focus on and things like that.
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So it does kind of operate as a large group,
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but it's more of a large group
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and thought not necessarily in practice.
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I guess that's probably the fairest way to describe it.
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And basically the members of this group,
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they emphasize the significance
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of personal conversion experiences.
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So some denominations of Christendom
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don't really have that much emphasis put
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on personal conversion experiences.
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They believe in complete immersion in water
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for believers baptism.
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They reject infant baptism and baby baptism
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and stuff like that.
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And so those are just some of the basic things
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about the Southern Baptist convention.
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So we don't need to get too much farther into that.
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Let's go ahead and go into the details
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from part one of this report.
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And here's the thing about the report
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before we actually get into the details.
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It is part one.
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The assumption is that obviously
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they're gonna be releasing part two and three.
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We don't know when part two and three
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are coming out exactly,
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but we can assume that they're probably taking
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a lot of their shots in this first one.
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I can't imagine and I absolutely reserve
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the right to be wrong later.
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I can't imagine that they're gonna release parts two
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and three and that there's gonna be some sort
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of additional bombshells in there
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that weren't as readily prevalent in the first one
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or something like that.
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Anyway, I'm assuming they're all gonna be bad,
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but let me just go ahead and go into the details
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of part one.
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So this is obviously both newsrooms spent about six months
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looking at a whole bunch of court cases
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and a whole bunch of documentation
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to kind of put things together here.
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But basically, since 1998, there's about 380
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Southern Baptist Church pastors, ministers, youth pastors,
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Sunday school teachers, deacons, church volunteers,
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kind of the whole gamut,
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have faced allegations of sexual misconduct.
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Most of that misconduct coming with children, essentially.
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There are more of them work in Texas than in any other state
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and that obviously makes a lot of sense.
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Texas is the second most populated state in the union
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and obviously it's right there in the Bible Belt.
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So you would assume that there would be a lot
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of Baptist churches there.
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And so this report details about 700 victims
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and there are around 220 offenders at this point
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have been convicted or took plea deals.
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Almost a hundred of them are still in prison
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and about a hundred of them are registered sex offenders.
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So these things that I'm about to read to you right here,
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it's four bullet points.
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This is actually directly from the article
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so I'm just gonna quote it here.
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At least 35 church pastors, employees and volunteers
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who exhibited predatory behavior
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were still able to find jobs at churches
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during the past two decades.
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In some cases, church leaders apparently failed
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to alert law enforcement about complaints
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or to warn other congregations
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about allegations of misconduct.
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Next point, several past presidents
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and prominent leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention
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are among those criticized by victims for concealing
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or mishandling abuse complaints
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within their own churches or seminaries.
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Next point, some registered sex offenders
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returned to the pulpit.
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Others remain there including a Houston preacher
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who sexually assaulted a teenager
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and is now the principal officer of a Houston nonprofit
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that works with student organizations
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federal federal records show.
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It's name touching the future today incorporated,
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aptly named I guess, and the last one here.
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Many of the victims were adolescents who were molested,
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sent explicit photos or texts exposed to pornography,
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photographed nude or repeatedly raped by youth pastors.
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Some victims as young as three years old
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were molested or raped inside pastor's studies
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and Sunday school classrooms.
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A few were adults, women and men who sought pastoral guidance
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and instead say they were seduced or sexually assaulted.
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So some other details here as many as 10 Southern Baptist
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churches welcomed pastors or ministers or volunteers
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to their churches even though they knew
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that they had left their previous churches
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because of charges of sexual misconduct.
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So essentially there were girls that were raped,
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impregnated and then basically very forcibly encouraged
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to get abortions and if they didn't,
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they were kind of excommunicated from the church
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which is incredibly gross.
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But here's the thing about this article guys
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because everything that I could squeeze out of that article
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that I thought would be pertinent to you,
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I just gave it to you just then.
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But the unfortunate thing is the details in this article
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were described mildly in the report.
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And I say unfortunately because I don't like
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when things are sterilized, especially things
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in this particular area, right?
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If you've been listening to this podcast
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for any length of time, you know that I don't like
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to sterilize things.
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If there's a way that it can be described,
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I don't try to make it more graphic.
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I just try to make it as, I try to describe it
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as accurately as possible, right?
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I feel like that's the most prudent thing to do.
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But the thing about it is is when you sterilize things
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around this particular subject, it leaves us open
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to softening the reality in our brains, right?
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We talk about every time we've talked about abortion
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about we need to get rid of the euphemisms,
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like it's not terminating a pregnancy,
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it's not choice, it's not healthcare, it's murder, right?
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It's the stamping out and the ripping apart
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of the human life.
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The same thing applies here.
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That we don't wanna sterilize things
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because it affects our brain.
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But we'll get more into that here in just a little bit.
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The thing that I found interesting about this report
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is I heard about it a couple of weeks ago.
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So we already knew we were gonna do a two part series
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on toxic masculinity and that we were gonna do a part
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on me getting my blue belt and kind of everything
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surrounding Jiu Jitsu.
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But this thing just kind of hung in the air
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and I knew I was gonna talk about it after all of those.
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But the craziest thing is I feel like nobody is talking
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about this report.
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Nobody.
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I feel like I talked to so many people
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about the report inside of the Catholic church
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that came out.
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Now it was a much more wide ranging report
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and just, but the thing was it just got so much more media
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play.
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And so I've spent the last couple of weeks
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wondering like, why is no one talking about this?
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Even people that hate Christians,
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people that hate the church.
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They're not jumping on this in the way that I think
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that I thought they would.
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And so there's a few reasons why.
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And so these are just the ones that came to my,
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you know, limited Neanderthal brain.
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And the first thing is something called
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Trump derangement syndrome.
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Some of you guys have heard of this,
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TDS Trump derangement syndrome.
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This is basically where people that typically disagree
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with Trump, people that are on the left
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are people that just don't like Trump
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or they're never Trumpers or whatever the thing is.
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Every single thing in their life has to do with Trump,
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good or bad, right?
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Every single thing.
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So if something goes bad for them in their personal lives,
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it's level 10 freak out.
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Like they're freaking out, right?
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There was just a report about people
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that don't understand how taxes work.
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They're basically like, oh man,
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I'm not getting as much money back
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in returns this year on my taxes.
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Dang it, Trump, right?
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It was just everything had to do with Trump, right?
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But right now at this point in history, right?
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If you're listening to this on time,
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the wall is everything.
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Everybody's talking about the wall.
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Whether you agree with us having a wall
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on the Southern border separating us from Mexico
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or you don't agree with it
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or you think we need other parts of immigration reform
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or whatever the thing might be,
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that's all anyone can talk about, right?
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Which goes right in line with the shutdown
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'cause that's what everyone was talking about
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not that long ago, even though most people,
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including the people listening right now
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and the most of the people that you know,
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their lives weren't affected in any way, shape or form
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by the shutdown, not one way.
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But anyway, that's like a big deal
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that we have to talk about.
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Everyone's got to talk about that.
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But also in the last, you know, week to 10 days,
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we've seen a ton of Democrats come out
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and officially announce that they are gonna be running
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for president in 2020.
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I mean, a slew of them, right?
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There's just been so many different stories
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for us to focus on that this seemingly
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is just kind of following through the cracks somehow.
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And in another reason, I think that more people
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aren't talking about this right now,
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is that the Southern Baptist Convention
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is not seen in the same way
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or as having the same magnitude as the Catholic Church, right?
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So just to kind of give you some numbers
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to give you an idea, there are around 15 million members
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of the Southern Baptist Convention in the United States.
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That's a lot of members.
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And that's around 50,000 different churches, right?
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So that's a huge number, a huge number of people
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associated with the Southern Baptist Convention.
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But just in the United States,
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the Catholic Church has around 70 million members.
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So Southern Baptist Convention,
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15 million Catholic Church, 70 million members
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at about 20,000 parishes, right?
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So way less organizations, but way more membership.
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But here's the other thing.
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The Southern Baptist Convention doesn't really go outside
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of the confines of the United States, right?
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Like they don't just have membership all over the place.
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But there are 1.3 billion,
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billion with a B members of the Catholic Church worldwide.
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And around 222,000 parishes worldwide.
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And the thing about the Catholic Church sex scandal
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is it wasn't just that one little area in Pennsylvania, right?
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If you haven't listened to that episode,
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number 37 of this podcast,
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I would absolutely suggest that you go back and do that.
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You got to go back and listen to it
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because I don't want to belabor a bunch of the same points.
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But the reality is that this is a problem
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within the Catholic Church writ large, right?
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And there were different pockets of these controversies
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all over the world, all over the world.
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This wasn't just something in Pennsylvania.
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This wasn't just something in the Northeast.
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Certainly wasn't just something in the United States
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or the West.
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This was basically ubiquitous within the Catholic Church.
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So that's probably why that seemed a little bit bigger
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and why people were more so willing to talk about it.
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And then also the last point here,
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and I kind of alluded to this a little bit earlier,
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the Catholic Church is more interconnected
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than Southern Baptist churches are, right?
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Because there's really a network system
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of the Catholic Church, right?
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Because you have the Vatican and the Diocese
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and the parishes and you have all these different things.
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There's not really that with the Southern Baptist Church
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or the Southern Baptist Convention churches, right?
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You don't really have that level of interconnectivity, right?
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And there are even churches that are affiliated
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with the Southern Baptist Convention.
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They have multiple sites and different things.
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But at different points,
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they're not really communicating in the same way
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that diocese or different parishes would be communicating.
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And so those are just some of the reasons why I thought
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that no one was talking about this.
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And I know a lot of you guys think about this stuff as well
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and you may have been wondering the same thing.
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If you've come up with additional reasons,
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hit me up, just email me at info@undontadotlife.
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I'd love to hear your point of view.
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But at this point, I feel like I need to just kind of remind
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everybody where I sit on this.
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Because I feel like there were a lot of Catholics
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that were very, very defensive of Catholicism
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when this whole thing came out.
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This big report that was released last year in 2018.
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And from what I can see, there's a lot of Baptists
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right now are just Protestants
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that are being defensive about this now.
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And obviously there are major issues
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and there's a very bloody and ridiculous history
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between Protestants and Catholics.
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Obviously being on opposite sides
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of very integral cornerstone issues.
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But there's like infighting right now.
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It's almost as if they're a Catholic.
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Catholics that are really excited that it's not just them
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that the Southern Baptist Convention,
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they're getting a little bit of heat right now.
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The same is true in the opposite, right?
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Southern Baptist Convention folks were like,
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Oh yeah, those Catholics, they just wanted to point at them
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without being able to look in the mirror
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and see what's going on themselves.
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But this is the part where I feel like I need to remind you
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what my personal stance is when it comes to outcomes for rapists,
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before we get into any of the other things in this podcast,
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outcomes for rapists.
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And I'm gonna continue to say this.
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I think that there are only three appropriate outcomes
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for rapists or child molesters, right?
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The first is castration, the second is death,
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and the third is castration and then death.
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I think those are very, very appropriate outcomes
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for these individuals, right?
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In the last podcast, I talked about how there's only six states
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that have the death penalty for rape or child abuse,
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only six and no one's ever been executed
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on any of those laws.
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Super, super weak laws, super weak language.
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I mean, I remember hearing the story
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about something that happened in Brazil,
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and I gotta be honest with you,
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if this is a sin, then maybe I'll be convicted for it later.
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But there was a Brazilian,
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I think it was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu coach.
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He was an MMA or a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu coach,
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but essentially he raped his, I think it was his son-in-law.
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Son-in-law was like one and a half years old, right?
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Basically married the mom who already had the boy
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or whatever the thing was.
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Raped a one and a half year old kid.
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So he gets caught and he goes to prison.
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But the prison system in Brazil
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is not like the prison system in the United States
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where there's a lot of states that take a lot of care
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to make sure that child rapists
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are not in with the general population, right?
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That they're maybe in their own area.
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You've heard about Jerry Sandusky with Penn State,
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this guy in the state of Pennsylvania.
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They keep all of the child rapists and molesters and all that.
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They keep them basically in a separate wing of the prison
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so the general population can't get to them
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'cause they know what happens to child molesters in prison.
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Brazil doesn't have that.
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It's basically all general population.
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It's all gen pop out there in Brazil,
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at least at the prison that this guy was at.
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And so the guys inside found out what had happened.
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They found out what this guy did.
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And I'm not advocating for this guys.
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So don't try to twist my words later.
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I'm just telling you what happened.
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Essentially all the guys in the prison,
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they held this guy down and they just repeatedly raped him.
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I mean, they just gang raped him.
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One right after the other, right after the other,
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right after the other.
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And as you can imagine with that particular area of the body,
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it's sensitive to stretching and all those different things.
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And so this guy was pretty well torn up
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because they didn't just rape him.
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They beat him up a little bit
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and did all those different things.
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So he goes to what would essentially be the infirmary there
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and he gets basically patched up and, you know,
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nurse back to health.
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But then again, they don't have a separate wing for this guy.
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So they just released him back to general population.
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And what I just described to you happened all over again.
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They did it right back to him.
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So this guy's basically healing up from all
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all the things that had happened to him
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and they just go after him and do it again.
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Okay, so again,
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I can't say that that's something that I would advocate.
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I can't say that that's something that made me happy,
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but I will say in the back of my mind,
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there was just something maybe in the justice part of my heart
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that was just like,
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well, that's kind of what you get, man.
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I mean, you got raped by a bunch of like, you know,
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animal guys, you know, just, you know,
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a bunch of just prison dudes that just heard what you did
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and it didn't fly with them.
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And man, sucks for you,
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but maybe shouldn't have raped a little kid.
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It just is what it is.
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But let's digress just kind of a little bit here
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because I want to talk about what all this means, right?
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Because there's so many things to talk about here.
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There's so many different areas that you could go
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and there's so many different things that you could discuss,
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but I just want to kind of pull out a few.
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The first thing is, is that reports
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that are coming out about sexual abuse,
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you could already just assume.
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You could have maybe decades ago
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just kind of written it in an envelope,
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sealed it and opened it later
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just to make sure your prediction was correct.
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You knew it was going to be looking at the church first.
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Because again, there's nothing unique about abuse
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within the church,
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but you would know that most of these journalists,
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most of these lefty journalists would want to attack the church.
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Any time they can make the church look silly or stupid
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or evil, they're going to take that opportunity.
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So we saw it with the Catholic church first.
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We've seen that a couple of times.
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Now we're seeing it with Protestantism, right?
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And it's probably certainly not the last time
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we're going to see that within Protestantism,
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but then I feel like it's going to go to everyone else second,
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right? It's going to go to, you know, your camps,
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your schools, your traveling basketball teams.
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It's going to go to that stuff later.
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But here's the deal, guys.
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I'm okay with that, to be quite honest.
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I mean, I think we should call out this evil
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and this child abuse evil and this sin
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in every single pocket of society,
19:02
but I'm completely okay with these people
19:03
attacking the church first.
19:04
Because the church is clearly,
19:06
and I'm talking about the capital C church,
19:07
not the Catholic church, not any particular church
19:09
in general, just the, you know, the bride, right?
19:12
The bride of Christ, it's not regulating itself very well.
19:17
So I'm completely okay with other folks
19:21
kind of coming in and blowing the whistle,
19:22
completely okay with me, right?
19:25
So I've heard a lot of people kind of complain,
19:27
well, oh, this is just a bunch of lefties
19:29
trying to, you know, get at the church
19:30
and make it look bad, blah, blah.
19:31
Guys, the church is doing the job
19:33
of making itself look bad, pretty good on its own.
19:36
Just because someone's shining a spotlight on it
19:38
doesn't, and there's no pun intended
19:39
because of the movie that was released several years ago.
19:41
But just because somebody is kind of revealing it to you
19:44
doesn't mean that it was something they created.
19:47
They're just pointing the finger, right?
19:48
They're just basically pointing and saying,
19:49
hey, look over there, this is bad.
19:51
Everyone should be looking over there right now.
19:53
But here's the other thing.
19:55
We got to look at kind of how predation happens.
19:58
Like how do these predators do what they do?
20:00
These guys are using trust.
20:02
And if you looked at any of the psychological studies
20:06
of people that are predators,
20:07
their predation is basically using trust
20:10
in familiar environments.
20:11
Because familiar environments breed trust like churches,
20:15
like ball fields, like, you know,
20:17
particular family members' houses, those types of things.
20:20
And familiar people breed more trust.
20:23
So if you're a little kid and you're brought to this church
20:25
over and over and over and you're seeing the same people
20:28
over and over and over, it's a very, very easy place
20:30
for a predator to hide.
20:31
And because you have this generalized trust, right?
20:36
It's just something, I know this is just a random thought,
20:37
but every time I've been in a train station,
20:40
the people that are like standing really, really,
20:42
really close to the tracks,
20:43
like looking down on their phones.
20:44
And there's a bunch, you know, dozens,
20:46
if not hundreds of people walking around them.
20:48
The level of trust you have in humanity in general,
20:50
that someone's not just going to walk up to you
20:52
when the train's coming and just pushing you
20:54
into the tracks, it's pretty incredible.
20:56
Most people just have this very, very generalized trust
20:59
for humanity.
21:00
But that's exactly what these predators are praying on, right?
21:04
But the other thing, and this is probably the biggest thing,
21:06
and I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time talking about it,
21:08
just because I don't really know how to fully describe it,
21:11
but it just hit me while I was preparing for this podcast.
21:14
Guys, doesn't it just seem like there's something
21:16
a little bit different about sexual sin?
21:18
I mean, there's just something different.
21:22
It's just like, it's a unique hold on men for whatever reason.
21:26
And I'm reminded of 1 Corinthians 6 in verse 18,
21:29
we see every other sin a person commits is outside the body,
21:33
but the sexually immoral person
21:35
sins against his own body.
21:38
And guys, there's just something different here.
21:42
When we're talking about sexual sin in this way,
21:44
I mean, in some of the links I'm going to provide to you later,
21:46
there's interviews with some of these guys,
21:48
some of these church members, former pastors
21:50
and former volunteers, Sunday school teachers,
21:52
kind of talking about what they were doing.
21:55
And there's this one guy in particular, an old guy,
21:57
so in the article I'm going to provide for you later,
21:59
I think it's the very, very first video
22:00
as you're kind of flipping through the article.
22:03
He's basically acting like he was the victim.
22:05
He was trying to present himself as a hero
22:08
and a victim at the same time.
22:09
He's like, man, I'm the one that told the detective
22:11
that I would touch this girl.
22:12
He wouldn't have known otherwise.
22:14
Like, I feel like I'm the victim.
22:16
I'm being penalized for telling him.
22:17
I've led 5, 600 people to the Lord.
22:20
And now this is how I'm going to be defined.
22:22
Yeah, that's how you're going to be defined, buddy.
22:23
Sorry, that's how this game works.
22:25
But the gravity of men like this,
22:29
and I know women do this and all that,
22:31
but again, this is men's podcast.
22:32
So that's what I'm focused on.
22:34
But I don't understand how it has such a strong grip.
22:38
And I know for other guys, you know,
22:39
chemical dependency is more ever present
22:43
than that type of a thing.
22:44
But again, we're given this in first Corinthians
22:46
where it's just like, basically,
22:47
there's something different in kind with sexual sin.
22:50
I'm not saying that God looks at it differently
22:52
or that Jesus is covering it with his blood differently,
22:56
but it just has a different kind of grip from us
22:59
or a grip on us, rather.
23:01
And so that's just something that I'm pondering.
23:03
And so there might be a future update
23:05
while on something like that
23:06
when we get into more talking about sexual sin.
23:08
'Cause gosh, I just know so many guys that deal with this.
23:11
So maybe it manifests itself in voyeurism,
23:13
looking around, they can't bounce their eyes
23:15
from women as they're walking by.
23:17
You know, for other guys, it's pornography,
23:18
masturbation, for other guys, it's cheating on their wives
23:21
or, you know, homosexuality, like same-sex attraction,
23:25
all these different things.
23:26
It manifests itself in so many different ways,
23:28
but it just has its hooks in so many of you guys.
23:31
And it's just, it's an interesting thing for us
23:33
to be looking at something
23:34
we should probably think more about.
23:36
But guys, to go back to episode 37 of this podcast,
23:39
there were five things I talked about
23:41
at the end of that episode.
23:42
'Cause you know me, I don't like to just be descriptive.
23:44
I like to be prescriptive as well.
23:46
There were five things I said in terms of,
23:47
hey, guys are like, well, what can we do, right?
23:49
What can we do about all this?
23:50
And I'm not gonna go through all these in detail.
23:52
I'm just gonna list them here.
23:53
But the first is call it what it is
23:55
and to basically call it pure evil, right?
23:58
Well, a lot of individuals are not basically calling
24:00
this what it should be called, right?
24:02
They're like, oh, this is unfortunate
24:03
or this is bad or this is something that shouldn't have happened.
24:05
Yeah, all that's true.
24:06
But it's pure evil, like in its most basic form.
24:09
The second thing I talked about is that we need
24:11
to get the death penalty for rape or child sex abuse
24:14
after the first offense, right?
24:17
And I spent a lot of time detailing all these different laws
24:19
at these different states.
24:20
And as I mentioned earlier,
24:21
there's only six states that haven't on the books,
24:23
but nobody's used it.
24:25
All these states, basically, it's like, oh, well, you know,
24:28
the first time it happens,
24:29
we'll just kind of give you a redo, right?
24:32
I think I called it a mulligan in that last episode.
24:34
It's like, man, like there's nothing else
24:36
that serious that we would take seriously, you know,
24:39
in terms of a redo.
24:40
And I use the example of like,
24:41
what if they gave you a mulligan with murder, right?
24:44
Yeah, I know, you know, killed that one guy
24:46
and it's really, really bad, but you know what?
24:48
There's just some about you that I really like.
24:51
So let's just give you another chance.
24:52
Sorry, I'm just kind of out on that.
24:54
I don't really understand that.
24:55
The third thing was there must be a purge inside
24:58
of the Catholic church.
24:59
And so I talked specifically about that
25:01
and that can certainly apply to the Southern Baptist Convention.
25:04
The fourth thing I mentioned was,
25:06
this fight must occur from within, right?
25:09
Because everyone was getting really, really, really talented
25:11
at pointing the finger from outside of the church, right?
25:14
And I'm talking about the Catholic church specifically.
25:16
There were a lot of people that just,
25:17
they loved to kind of look in, peek in,
25:19
point their finger, you know,
25:20
wag their finger a little bit
25:21
and then kind of move on with their day.
25:23
But it was obvious that that wasn't doing much to change.
25:26
The Catholic church, if anything,
25:27
it made them a little bit more secretive
25:29
on the things that they were doing,
25:30
but it wasn't terribly effective overall.
25:32
So that was another thing.
25:33
And the last thing I mentioned in the last episode
25:35
was we can never be quiet.
25:37
There's so many guys that see something,
25:40
it seems off, it seems awry.
25:43
There's just something about that youth passer
25:45
that just, you know, hits me in the gut differently.
25:48
There's something about that coach
25:49
whenever he looked at my son or my daughter
25:51
and it just didn't really make sense to me.
25:53
But, you know, I just wrote it off
25:55
because I just believe everyone's generally good
25:57
and generally okay.
25:58
And, you know, I don't wanna ruffle any feathers, right?
26:00
I don't wanna get anybody in trouble
26:01
and all those different things.
26:03
And so I still stand by those five things
26:06
that we talked about last time.
26:07
But since then, there's obviously been a lot that's happened.
26:09
And, you know, I've had other experiences of things like that.
26:12
So I think there's quite a few additional considerations
26:15
for any thinking Christian.
26:17
And I'm certainly, for those of you that are still in
26:19
and listening to this podcast,
26:20
I feel like you're thinking, Christian, man,
26:22
you wanna make sure you have a good point of view on all this.
26:25
And the first thing, the first additional consideration
26:27
that I would have for you is that boundaries and guidelines
26:32
will never work 100% of the time.
26:34
So what do I mean by that?
26:35
Essentially, I've heard a lot of churches
26:37
and you guys know that I really like Matt Chandler
26:39
down to Dallas.
26:40
There was apparently something.
26:41
There was a church at the village.
26:43
There was a church camp of some kind
26:45
that the village was attending.
26:46
And I can't remember the details, guys.
26:48
So if I get this a little bit wrong, I apologize.
26:50
But essentially, I don't think any children
26:53
from the village were affected by what had happened,
26:56
but there was sexual assaults and sexual deviance
26:59
that had happened at this camp.
27:00
And you know, they were basically being very, very open
27:03
with the church about what they were attempting to do
27:05
and all those different things.
27:06
And yada yada yada.
27:08
But they detailed how much they put into this,
27:12
how much they themselves have kind of put
27:14
into these different guidelines and boundaries.
27:16
And there's actual companies that come in
27:18
to basically put these boundaries and guidelines in there.
27:21
But guys, the reality is, is that these churches
27:24
and these ministries and these schools
27:26
or these groups, whatever, they will lull themselves
27:29
into a comatose stupor thinking that they're squared away.
27:32
Satan's gonna get through, y'all.
27:36
And that's not me advocating that.
27:37
All right, let's just not do anything.
27:39
I'm for boundaries and I'm for guidelines.
27:41
I'm for any way that we can stamp these things out
27:44
and bring them to the light.
27:45
I'm absolutely for those things.
27:47
But this idea that if you go to a church
27:50
that has these boundaries and guidelines in place
27:52
that you're just good to go is so absurd.
27:54
It's ridiculous.
27:56
You know better than that.
27:58
You've seen better than that.
27:59
You've experienced better than that
28:01
to know that that's something that's real.
28:02
And again, let me repeat, I'm for boundaries.
28:04
I'm for guidelines.
28:05
I'm for these companies making money
28:07
in a capitalistic society to bring these guidelines
28:11
and boundaries to people because they're effective.
28:13
But they're not foolproof.
28:14
So that's something to think about.
28:16
Another consideration is we have to be real
28:19
about pornography's influence on a lot of this sexual deviancy.
28:23
And again, guys, I know this is a sore subject
28:26
and sometimes ministries get into this
28:28
and they turn it into being a little bit too emotive
28:30
or they don't really describe it accurately
28:32
or it doesn't really agree with your palate
28:33
or you don't really care,
28:34
whatever the thing might be.
28:35
But society doesn't care about this, right?
28:38
This is just a normal everyday thing
28:40
that we're constantly able to look at pornography
28:42
and think that it's not having any effect on our brain
28:45
on the scripting of how we feel like sexual act should go.
28:48
You know, we see stats about how young kids are
28:50
when they see it but then for whatever reason,
28:52
it like mortifies us at the thought
28:54
of a five or six year old looking at it
28:55
but a 15 or 16 year old is just okay, right?
28:57
Because they're developing and you know,
28:59
it's just boys will be boys or this is just natural
29:01
or you know, girls can express themselves
29:03
in whatever they want, whatever way they want to
29:05
and it's completely okay.
29:07
But there's a reality here.
29:09
There are so many individuals.
29:11
So let's think of extreme examples.
29:13
Let's think of individuals just recently,
29:15
I finished watching a little five or six part series
29:17
on Ted Bundy.
29:18
Perhaps the most insanely horrifying
29:22
and scary serial killer of all time
29:24
because the dude was so, so talented,
29:28
had a tremendous personality.
29:29
He was like a magnetic type of person.
29:32
He wasn't the shut in, you know?
29:34
He wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer.
29:35
He wasn't the guy that everyone kind of soon was a weirdo
29:38
but they didn't really think that he was, you know,
29:40
gonna kill people and like eat them.
29:42
Like he didn't think any of that.
29:44
But this guy details, if you watch it on Netflix,
29:47
if you watch this documentary,
29:48
it goes into detail about, it's very, very little detail
29:52
but into the amount of depravity that Ted Bundy had
29:54
in his life when it came to pornography.
29:56
And we see this with a lot of guys,
29:57
we see guys that start out with just, you know,
29:59
regular pictures of, you know, bare breasts
30:01
and then it's like, okay, bare breasts and vagina, okay.
30:03
And then it's sexual images and then it's video
30:06
and then it's video of adults.
30:07
And then it becomes one of those things
30:09
that they can't get off, right?
30:11
So essentially what I'm saying guys is
30:13
they can't get an erection or they can't come
30:15
because the things that they're seeing in their head,
30:18
it's just not doing it for them anymore.
30:20
So you see these guys that will get
30:21
into either hardcore pornography,
30:23
they'll get into rape pornography.
30:24
There's snuff films like that I've certainly been around
30:27
where basically a woman is forcibly raped
30:29
and then she's murdered on film.
30:31
And then you also have people
30:33
that instead of going towards the extreme end,
30:35
in terms of what I just described,
30:37
they're gonna go towards the young end.
30:39
So they're gonna start looking at teenage pornography
30:41
and then they're gonna work themselves
30:42
all the way down to child pornography, right?
30:45
And we always wanna look at it like,
30:47
oh gosh, that's just, when we heard about Jared from Subway,
30:49
it's like, oh my gosh, how could this guy have all that?
30:51
Is it really that hard to see how this guy
30:54
could like spiral down to something like that?
30:56
He didn't start there.
30:58
He probably started where most of us did, right?
31:00
We go over to a friend's house or we go over somewhere
31:02
and you got your buddy who's got a couple of magazines
31:05
under his bed or goes into his dad's closet
31:07
and finds him in there or whatever the thing might be.
31:09
That's where it all started.
31:10
But guys don't start with rape porn.
31:13
They don't start with, you know, raping of children.
31:15
They don't start with any of those things, right?
31:18
They work themselves there.
31:20
So there's a tremendous amount of influence
31:22
that pornography has on all this,
31:24
but we just don't either wanna acknowledge it
31:26
or we just think, oh, it's just kind of par
31:28
for the course, there's nothing we can do about it.
31:31
And guys, I just don't know what to tell you
31:33
other than that, like, if you're looking at pornography
31:35
or if you're, you know, your kids aren't just kind of
31:37
allowing that, that's the type of thing
31:38
you're opening yourself up to, right?
31:40
It doesn't mean that everybody that looks at pornography
31:42
is gonna end up being a serial killer
31:43
or a rapist or any of those things.
31:45
But the thing about it is,
31:45
is pretty much everyone that's a serial killer
31:47
or a rapist looks at pornography.
31:49
So think about that a little bit.
31:51
Another consideration here is that
31:54
I think that we should stop allowing euphemisms
31:56
to soften this for us when we hear about it.
32:00
So again, we hear about these stories
32:02
and even if we're hearing about individualized stories
32:04
from, you know, maybe local news or something like that,
32:06
guys, it's not quote, unquote, sexual abuse.
32:10
It's not, you know, sexual misconduct
32:12
or inappropriate touching.
32:14
Like we have to think about this
32:15
and I talked a lot in more detail in episode 37,
32:18
but you had, you had these priests
32:20
that were shoving crucifix into body parts of children, right?
32:24
Shoving a crucifix up the butt of a boy,
32:27
shoving a crucifix into the vagina of a girl,
32:30
forcibly mouth raping these boys and girls
32:33
and then coming in their mouths,
32:35
I'm sorry, I'm getting a little explicit here
32:36
and then washing their mouths out with,
32:38
with holy water, y'all remember hearing that?
32:42
So, so when you think about these things
32:44
and you hear these phrases like sexual abuse
32:46
and inappropriate touching or whatever the thing is,
32:48
no, no, no, no, no, that makes it seem
32:50
like it's just some sort of thing
32:52
that happened that was unfortunate.
32:53
No, these children are being raped.
32:55
These old men are getting hard,
32:57
pulling the clothes off of these children
32:59
and forcibly sticking parts of their body
33:02
into holes of the other person.
33:05
I mean, I'm sorry to make you guys think that,
33:07
but at the same time, I don't think I'm not sorry.
33:09
You have to understand the level of depravity here.
33:11
This is not a small issue.
33:13
This is not something that you can hear on the news
33:15
and think to yourself, oh man, that's really unfortunate.
33:17
I'm glad that didn't happen to me
33:18
and move on with your day.
33:20
Like this is something that should stick with you.
33:23
Or even thinking about it this way,
33:25
if it makes you too uncomfortable to think about kids,
33:27
think about a single mother who, you know,
33:29
is having a bad way of going about things,
33:32
maybe it's hard to find work or it's hard to stay off drugs
33:35
or alcohol or something like that.
33:37
And you come to a pastor, right?
33:39
You find your way into a church
33:40
and you think to yourself, man, I feel something here.
33:43
You know, maybe it's the Holy Spirit.
33:45
That's what you're feeling.
33:46
And then you go into the pastor's office
33:47
and then all of a sudden he starts touching you
33:49
and rubbing your shoulders.
33:51
And then basically trying to get you to sit on his lap,
33:54
tell him more about your problems.
33:56
Like these are things that have actually happened, guys.
34:00
I mean, we got to stop basically sterilizing
34:03
all of these things.
34:04
We got to stop it.
34:04
It's not helping us.
34:06
You know, maybe it helps you sleep at night
34:08
and maybe it helps you just kind of move on with your day.
34:10
But every time you do that,
34:11
you're missing out on an opportunity
34:13
to see the fullness of the depravity of sin
34:15
because if you don't understand the depths
34:17
that sin can go, then you also don't understand
34:19
the fullness of the grace and the covering of judgment
34:23
that we're going to be getting from God.
34:25
You don't understand that.
34:27
So I would encourage you all to consider that as well.
34:30
To continue going, we as members of churches
34:34
need to encourage our churches to utilize due process, right?
34:38
Here's the thing, guys.
34:40
I can't think of anything that would be much worse
34:43
than being incredibly accused of child sexual abuse, right?
34:48
And so a lot of these people that put forth charges,
34:51
they are putting it forth on people
34:52
that have done these things, right?
34:55
But there are certainly cases as well
34:56
where these people have not done these horrible things.
34:59
So for churches to just go to the opposite extreme
35:02
and anybody that brings up some sort of a misconduct charge,
35:05
they just believe it, fire the person and get them out
35:07
and random as this child abuser or sexual abuser
35:11
or something like that,
35:12
I don't think that that's very effective.
35:13
I think that they should utilize due process.
35:16
But the next point here for you to consider
35:18
is encourage churches to let the local magistrates
35:21
investigate.
35:22
One thing that we've seen with the Catholic church
35:24
and with the Southern Baptist Convention
35:26
is that they keep doing these quote, unquote,
35:27
internal investigations, right?
35:30
Well, guess what, guys, surprise, surprise,
35:32
internal investigations lead to corruption and cover-ups.
35:35
And that's the thing is you've heard this before,
35:37
the cover-up is typically worse than the crime.
35:39
If you would have just, you know,
35:40
been honest about the crime from the beginning,
35:42
it's still awful, but you basically double down on it
35:45
by covering it up, by trying to cover it up.
35:47
Like who has ever successfully gotten away with a cover-up
35:49
about something this big?
35:51
It doesn't happen, right?
35:52
It's ridiculous.
35:54
And so when we're not, we should encourage our churches, guys,
35:58
to allow the law to help.
36:01
This is what they do for a living.
36:03
You, as an internal entity, you do not have the resources
36:07
or the experience to basically do these investigations.
36:09
You have to bring in the police.
36:11
You have to bring in the law.
36:13
And we should not be scared of that as church members.
36:16
Like honestly, so what if there's a complaint
36:21
at your local church, whether it's big or small,
36:23
and they bring the law in to help them.
36:26
And they find out that all of this was true.
36:29
They find out that this volunteer had been raping kids
36:32
or molesting little kids or whatever the thing was.
36:35
So what?
36:36
So your church is in the news for something horrible like that,
36:39
but wouldn't you like the end of that story to be?
36:41
And they encourage the law to get involved.
36:45
They investigated this and found out that it was true.
36:47
And now this member of the church is being punished, right?
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This former member of the church, this former pastor,
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this former, whatever, they're no longer
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gonna be around kids in your area anymore.
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They will be forever branded as a child sexual abuser.
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They're gonna be a registered sex offender.
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Isn't that of the available endings to the story
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the best one?
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Because again, the sin already happened
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that the thing already happened.
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We can't go back in time and erase it,
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but let's just embrace the fact that, hey, we've seen it.
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We've seen the depravity and we're stamping it out.
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And to those ends, to those last two points,
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guys, we have to encourage our pastors to have balls.
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I mean, so much of these stories
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when I'm reading about these internal investigations
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that lead to corruption and cover-up,
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I'm seeing pastors that just don't have the stones
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to get rid of these people, right?
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For whatever reason in their brains,
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they're trying to say, well, yeah, this is a bad situation.
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It's bad for these kids, it's bad for the family,
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but gosh, I don't really wanna embarrass the church.
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I don't really wanna embarrass this guy and his family.
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We gotta consider his family as well, right?
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You know, we can't just basically be loud about it.
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And I'm not saying shout it from the rooftops,
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but at the same time, our pastors have to be really,
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really on top of these things.
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And again, when I'm saying that,
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I'm assuming that this pastor isn't part of the problem.
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But I think that we can credibly assume
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that if your local church has six people on staff
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that all six of them aren't doing this,
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somebody has to stand up for what's right.
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Someone has to stand up for the standard,
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the sexual standard that God has given to us, right?
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And so I think that's important
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and we should encourage our pastors to do that.
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And the last thing here, guys, is we have to be vigilant.
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As men of God, as, you know, if you're considering yourself
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to be an alpha dog or a sheep dog
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or whatever those things are, right?
38:36
We have to be vigilant.
38:38
So if you get that feeling, that gut feeling,
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that visceral feeling that there's something off,
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there's something weird about your cousin.
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There's something weird about that guy.
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You have to be able to investigate
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that a little bit on your own.
38:54
Now, within reason, don't go up into someone's face,
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like I said, to be non-credibly accused of child abuse
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is probably one of the worst things
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that could possibly happen to a human being.
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But you have to be able to be paying attention.
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And I was just talking about this with my wife today.
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She and I don't have kids yet.
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We certainly would like to have children.
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We'd like to have a family.
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And we were just talking about, baby, you know,
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I've heard about families that don't allow their kids
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to go do sleepovers, which seems extreme
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'cause she and I both had tons of sleepovers
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when we were kids.
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We had kids at our house,
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we went over to other people's houses
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and neither one of us experienced any type of issue.
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But there's a lot of kids
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that are sexually abused at sleepovers.
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There's a lot of kids that are sexually abused
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by babysitters.
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And sometimes those babysitters are members of the family,
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right?
39:38
They're brothers, they're uncles, they're cousins,
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they're whatever, they're grandparents.
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So it's like, you have to tow that line between being,
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you know, the protectors of your children,
39:46
but at the same time not being so alarmist
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'cause you guys have probably heard this before.
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Like, you know, the odds of a child being abducted today
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are so much lower than they were back in the '50s.
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But back in the '50s, you could just be a latchkey kid.
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No one would ever think about something.
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No one would ever think twice about it.
40:02
But today, if there's a kid playing by himself in the park,
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someone's calling the police,
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they're gonna show up, take the kid back to his house
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and those parents might be brought up
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on charges of child neglect, right?
40:12
We've seen stories about that before.
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But this is the encouragement to you guys
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that if you get that feeling,
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do what you need to to investigate.
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Ask questions, confront people, right?
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That's one thing about these child sexual predators.
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A lot of these guys are cowards, right?
40:28
When they're found out like, oh gosh,
40:30
they're running the world.
40:31
Whenever nobody knows about their depravity,
40:33
but as soon as they're caught,
40:34
they just melt into a puddle of just pansy,
40:38
just cowardly, I'm just like literally sitting here
40:42
like sweating 'cause I'm so mad about stuff like this.
40:45
And I'm just thinking of myself,
40:47
have I literally been so busy or had my head and my phone
40:50
or just been too focused on other things?
40:52
Have I missed people in my life
40:53
that were doing this to children?
40:56
Have I missed people in my life
40:57
that were taking advantage of women
40:59
that came into their offices?
41:01
Could I have potentially stopped something like this, right?
41:04
And I'm not sitting here feeling
41:05
a tremendous amount of guilt because to date,
41:07
there hasn't been someone like that
41:09
that I was around that later on down the line,
41:12
but I guess there's one person.
41:13
There was a high school coach
41:14
that was always hitting on my girlfriend
41:16
whenever I was a senior in high school
41:17
and I always thought that was weird,
41:18
but it's like, ah, he's just a gross dude.
41:20
But now that guy's in jail
41:21
because he had a relationship
41:22
going with a 16 year old girl
41:23
a couple of years after I graduated.
41:25
But what would I have done?
41:26
Like I'm thinking to myself,
41:27
like I was 17 years old,
41:28
what was I supposed to go to the principal
41:30
and be like, hey, I think that guy's hitting
41:31
on my girlfriend.
41:32
Like where would that have gone?
41:33
But at the same time, so what?
41:35
Would I have gotten in trouble for that?
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No.
41:37
Like gosh, man, see something, say something.
41:39
It's kind of one of those things.
41:40
Like when you look at any types of training on,
41:43
you know, counter-terrorism
41:45
or being left to bang or anything like that,
41:46
it's just like don't take any sign
41:48
of something out of the ordinary
41:49
and just think it's not nefarious.
41:51
Assume that it's nefarious
41:52
and be proved wrong later.
41:54
There's nothing wrong with being proved wrong later.
41:55
So anyway, guys, I know again,
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heavy subject matter and a lot of this stuff
42:01
was a little bit graphic
42:02
when it kind of goes into those types of things.
42:03
But again, that's what I want to make sure
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that you guys are thinking about.
42:06
I want y'all to be thinking about this
42:08
in the most appropriate terms possible.
42:10
And I know that this is hitting home for a lot of you guys
42:13
'cause I know some of you guys listening to this
42:14
have been on the receiving end of this type of abuse.
42:17
And man, I'm not qualified to help you with that.
42:23
I'm just not like, there's so many things
42:27
when guys come to me and they're kind of telling me issues.
42:29
It's like, shoot, what the heck am I supposed to say?
42:32
What am I supposed to say about this?
42:34
But guys, if you got no one else to tell, tell me.
42:39
I mean, the statistics are, it's so unnerving and so sad.
42:43
But the overwhelming majority of kids
42:45
that were abused when they were children
42:47
or adults today that were abused when they were children
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never tell anybody.
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They never come forward.
42:53
Now, that's part of the reason why I think
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that we should get rid of statute of limitations
42:57
on these child abuse laws
42:58
'cause you have someone that was abused
42:59
when they were five years old.
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Now they're 45.
43:02
And the person that they want to come out
43:04
and basically tell everybody, tell the world
43:05
that this is what happened to them.
43:07
Well, it's beyond the statute of limitations.
43:08
They can't arrest that guy anymore or gal, right?
43:11
They can't do that.
43:12
And I think that should be taken out.
43:14
If you're incredibly accused
43:15
and they can provide evidence that that's what you did,
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sorry, I think you should go down
43:19
as if you were caught 39 years prior to.
43:21
I don't think it matters, right?
43:23
You can't just be like, oh, well, I murdered a guy,
43:25
but it was 40 years ago, no big deal.
43:27
Like you can't do that.
43:29
But guys, I'm dead serious.
43:31
And I'm just kind of flowing here at the end.
43:33
If this has happened to you
43:34
and you haven't told anybody, tell me, hit me up info
43:38
at undaunted.life, info at undaunted.life.
43:41
That's the email, you know, we'll get in there
43:43
and you know, I'll respond to the email.
43:45
I'll give you my cell phone number.
43:46
We can talk about it or maybe we can talk about it
43:48
over Instagram, like on the private messages
43:50
or, you know, you can do a little voice memos or whatever,
43:52
but you got to tell somebody, man.
43:54
And I'm just gonna, again, right up front,
43:56
I have no idea what I would say to you.
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But I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna listen to you.
44:00
I might encourage you to do a few things on the back end.
44:03
I'm gonna be basically praying at that exact moment
44:06
that you're telling me for God to give me the words
44:08
'cause I certainly won't have the capacity
44:09
to come up with anything that's gonna be cogent
44:11
or helpful on my own.
44:13
But, man, I feel really, really sad
44:17
for some of you guys that have gone through that.
44:18
I've never had to deal with something like that.
44:21
But it makes it so much more sad and it multiplies it.
44:24
That's the thought that you've never told anybody.
44:26
So if there's a way that we can help you out
44:28
through this ministry or even just me personally,
44:30
you just gotta let me know.
44:31
All right, guys, before I let you go,
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we're gonna do a quick resilience boost.
44:33
As you know by now, we are a men's ministry
44:35
and our mission is to cultivate manly resilience.
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And specifically, we do that by providing you guys content
44:41
that forges spiritual, mental and physical toughness.
44:43
So today we're gonna work on the mental resilience stuff,
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just three things really quick here.
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Again, I mentioned that this was a joint report
44:49
released by the Houston Chronicle
44:51
and the San Antonio Express News.
44:53
It's the exact same thing.
44:54
It's called the abusive face.
44:55
So I want you guys to be able to review those on your own.
44:58
I want you to be able to click on the ancillary links
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and all the other miscellaneous materials that are part of that.
45:03
But then also, Matt Walsh, again,
45:05
we talk a lot about the Daily Wire
45:07
'cause we really like a lot of the stuff
45:08
that they put out there.
45:09
Matt Walsh was kind of all over the Catholic scandal.
45:11
This guy is a Catholic,
45:13
but he released an episode of his podcast recently,
45:15
basically talking about sex abuse
45:17
and the crisis within the Southern Baptist Convention,
45:19
the Southern Baptist Church.
45:20
And so I have the YouTube link to that there,
45:22
but also this is episode number 195 of the podcast.
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So if you have Google Play or iTunes
45:28
or any of those types of things, Apple Podcasts,
45:30
just go to the Matt Walsh Show
45:31
and just look for episode 195
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45:35
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