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This is I'm Daunton Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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All right, guys. Today, we're going to take a look at a couple of different guys that you've
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seen in the news here in the last week. They were in the news for very, very different reasons,
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but we're going to look at some of the things in their lives and some of the things going on
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with their current circumstances, and then try to see what we can glean and learn from those things.
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We're going to be talking about the late John McCain. We're also going to be talking about
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the Ohio State football coach, head coach, Urban Meyer. Again, we'll talk about one,
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then we'll talk about the other, and then we'll bring them back. Obviously, I feel it would be
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best to start with John McCain. Over the weekend, if you're listening to this on time on the 25th
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of August, 2018, John McCain passed away. He was just four years shy of his 82nd birthday,
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and he passed away, unfortunately, because of brain cancer. So we had seen earlier in the week
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that he had foregone further treatment than that he was no longer going to be receiving any more
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treatment in that he was basically okay with where he was going to be going. So I know that there are
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a lot of really good tributes out there right now for John McCain. I mean, literally just Google
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John McCain, and there's some really, really fantastic ones, even from places that you wouldn't
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assume he would get those. But I don't really want to do that here. I don't want to have like
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a big long thing, because I've seen it done so well by other people already. So I don't really
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want to reinvent the wheel. But for some of you, I either want to introduce John McCain to you.
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I mean, most of us know who he is, but reintroduce some very special things about this man's life.
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So this was a guy that was a Naval Academy grad in 1958. And then he went straight to Vietnam,
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pretty much after he got out of the Naval Academy, not right after, but he went to fight at Vietnam.
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He was a pilot. He almost died a few times, but then he was shot down to Vietnam in 1967.
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And this is one of the things that he's most known for is that he was a prisoner of war,
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and he was a prisoner of war for six years. So this was a guy that was tortured regularly during that
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time, you know, was tortured so that they would give up information on a troop movement or how
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they were setting up or what the Americans were thinking. And a lot of the torture that John McCain
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suffered over the time that he was a POW in Vietnam, resulted in him having some physical issues.
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And there were some handicaps that he had really for the remainder of his life. You know, this is a
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guy that fought off, you know, multiple crazy injuries from the beatings and torture that he took,
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dysentery, all kinds of crazy things. But you know, obviously, we got him back, we got him home.
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And one of the things that he did, one of the first things that he does, he went into public life,
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he went into politics. So he was elected to the US House of Representatives in 1982.
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And then just five years later, he was elected to the United States Senate in 1987. And that's
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where he served until his death just this year. So a lot of people remember him because he won
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the Republican nomination in 2008. He narrowly missed out on getting it over George W Bush in 2000.
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They had a really heated back and forth. But George W Bush eventually won that. And then of course,
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one or, you know, was elected president twice in a row in 2000 in the 2004. But in 2008,
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he were talking about John McCain, he he lost to Barack Obama. It wasn't exactly a close
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victory for Barack Obama. It was a fairly widespread victory. One thing I do want to point out
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interesting just as like a little weird caveat, John McCain is, you know, people get really
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schizophrenic whenever they think about John McCain and in terms of their support or respect
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for him. Because this was a guy that some of the same people, mainly people on the left. But he
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was seen as, you know, a baby killer whenever he went to war, when he went to Vietnam. But then
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he was seen, you know, as a hero after he was freed from the POW camp. And then he was seen as the
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enemy throughout his entire political career, because he decided to be a red candidate. And
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even whenever he's going up against Barack Obama, they just destroyed him. But now he's seen as,
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you know, the, you know, the, the big American hero Maverick in his death. So it's kind of
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interesting. But there's a lot of people that have given tributes, as I've already mentioned,
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and I may share some with you guys some on our social media. But the tribute that I thought was
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the most poignant. And the one that I thought was the best so far was from his daughter,
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Megan McCain. So Megan McCain has obviously gotten into politics a little bit on the new side and
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on commentary. And she's, you know, been in hot water here or there, but she's always been for her
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dad and her dad's always been for her. And they seemed to have a very special relationship. And
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actually what she posted on her Twitter, her comments, seemed to go viral up to this point.
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I think of as of the recording of this podcast, there were almost 400,000 likes
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and like 60,000 retweets of this. So I'm going to go ahead and just read that. It's short. I just
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want to read that it's in its entirety. Because I feel like it was a very, very good tribute to her
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father. So here we go. My father, United States Senator John Sidney McCain III departed this life
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today. I was with my father at his end. And he was with me at my beginning. In the 33 years we
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shared together, he raised me taught me corrected me, comforted me, encouraged me and supported me
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in all things. He loved me. And I loved him. He taught me how to live. His love and his care
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ever present, always unfailing took me from a girl to a woman. And he showed me what it is to be a man.
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All that I am is thanks to him. Now that he is gone, the task of my lifetime is to live up to his
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example, his expectations, and his love. My father's passing comes with sorrow and grief for me,
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for my mother, for my brothers, and for my sisters. He was a great fire who burned bright,
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and we lived in this in his light and warmth for so very long. We know that his flame lives on in
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each of us. The days and years to come will not be the same without my dad, but they will be good
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days filled with life and love because of the example he lived for us. Your prayers for his soul
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and for our family are sincerely appreciated. My father is gone and I will miss him as only an
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adoring daughter can. But in this loss and in this sorrow, I take comfort in this. John McCain,
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hero of the Republic and to his little girl, wakes today to something more glorious than
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anything on this earth. Today, the warrior enters his true and eternal life, greeted by those who
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have gone before him, rising to meet the author of all things. The dream is ended. This is the
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morning. So I thought that was a very poignant and very good tribute to John McCain from his daughter.
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And like I said, I definitely encourage you to go and check out some of those things. But you know,
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this is a guy, John McCain that I've watched in his political career, obviously very unique.
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I mean, how many guys were POWs? And then, you know, we're almost the president of the United
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States. I think we can count them on one finger. So that's that's kind of one of those things.
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He did a lot of things in his career. I didn't agree with. There were a lot of stances he took
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that I was like, man, why are you doing that? Like he went outside of the party lines a lot,
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and that's how he got his nickname, Maverick, right? Because he would just kind of do his own thing.
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And there were times when it would seem like he kind of held up the Republican party and the
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entire country at times. And I didn't always think it was the best thing for the party or the country.
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But he always kind of operated with what he wanted to get across. And he thought he knew the right
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thing and what would be best. And you know, that's kind of the thing, man, is even if you're a huge
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fan of any politician, they're never going to always do the right thing in your eyes. They're
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always going to let you down. And they're always going to disappoint you. But the thing about it
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is is even with all his warts, you know, this this seemed to be a very great man, very well respected
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man, even the people that just vehemently disagreed with him politically, they seemed to still like
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him. It was just kind of one of those things that was very interesting. You know, it's it would have
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been very interesting to see if he had never ran for president, how he would have been viewed by
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most people they probably would have adored adored him anymore. Because he went up against, you know,
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the modern left favorite person ever Barack Obama, the God King, right? And so if he had never gone
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against them, you know, there would probably be even more people giving him tributes now.
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But really, really a stand up guy in a lot of ways. And there's just a lot to learn from him about
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what it means to be a man. And then we have Urban Meyer. So obviously a lot of guys out there that
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listen to this, you are college football fans, just like I am. And the funny thing about the
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controversy surrounding him is it seems like a controversy that has huge college football
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implications, right? Like that's how we were always all thinking about this along these lines.
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But if we dig a little bit deeper, this controversy kind of shows one of the huge problems of the
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depraved human heart, right? And we'll get into more about about what that means here in a little
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bit. But ultimately what we're going to be looking at is, you know, with the things that surrounded
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this situation, where were all the men? Where were all the people standing up for the rights of people
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that maybe couldn't defend themselves? So some of you, I know, don't know what I'm talking about
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at all. So let me just kind of bring you up to speed. So in July of this year, so July of 2018,
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there was a very abrupt firing of an Ohio State assistant coach. He was the wide receivers
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coach, his name was Zach Smith. And he was fired by coach Urban Meyer. And this was after Smith had
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violated a civil protection order or restraining order against his now ex wife Courtney. And Smith
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is a guy that's been with Urban Meyer for a long time. I mean, he's been on Urban Meyer's
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staffs at the University of Florida, and Ohio State for I think it was 11 years or something
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like that. So this is a guy that, you know, it was kind of seen as Urban Meyer's protege.
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So I mean, he was making over $300,000 a year to be an assistant coach and director of recruiting.
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So very, very in tight with Urban Meyer. But the firing came on the heels of multiple domestic
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violence allegations against Smith. That was from 2009 to 2015. This was reported by a guy named
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Brett McMurphy on his Facebook fan page. So that Brett McMurphy is not a huge name. It's not like
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he has millions and millions of followers. But it was very interesting that whenever he broke the
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story, Brett McMurphy, that is Ohio State's initial response to this was that, Oh, this is
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a personal matter in the university doesn't normally make comments on personal matters.
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And then 10 hours later, they fired Smith 10 hours later. So it seemed like some of these,
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you know, folks that kind of run the university and maybe the athletic department or all of them
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got in a room in a war room somewhere and decided, Oh, we got to get on the other side of this.
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And there's a lot of details that follow from there. But the thing that was very telling about
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this is that this wasn't a rare occurrence, apparently, for this coach Smith, right?
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Whenever he was first arrested for aggravated battery in 2009, he had beaten his his pregnant
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wife. Courtney was pregnant at the time that he beat her. And so it's kind of one of those
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things like this. This was a guy that seemed to have no issues roughing up his wife. Now,
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if you fast forward to big 10 media days, this was on July 24th, Myers said that he knew about the
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incident in 2009, when, you know, coach Smith had beaten his pregnant wife, but he pretty much
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didn't know about any of the other allegations thereafter, at which point I would have been like,
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and would that have mattered coach? Would that have mattered at all? This guy beat his pregnant
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wife? It doesn't matter how good he is at Xs and O's or recruiting. He's gone. He's got to be gone.
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Like, he didn't trip fall in his fist land on the girl's jaw, right? Like, that's not how this went.
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But it was really interesting at the time. And you could just smell this from a mile away. Ohio
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State did their own investigation of the matter, which how in the world could that go poorly? Right?
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You know, we have an internal issue that's investigated internally, because we're certainly
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going to be able to do that. But we all know this and everyone's going to pontificate about
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their opinions on this, whether you're you're anti Ohio State or you're an Ohio State fan,
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and you make sure you say the Ohio State before you say their name every time it doesn't matter
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where you're at on this. We know why they did the investigation themselves, because no matter what
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they found, they can control the narrative. They can control what was going to be said and they can
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control what the punishment would be. So that's obviously why they did that. And, you know, came
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out from the Ohio State report that Meyer, you know, had significant memory issues when trying to
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recall the things that went down between Coach Smith and his wife. There was also reports that
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he may have deleted old texts that would have indicated that he did indeed know that this was
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not an isolated incident from 2009. But all this kind of led up, you know, we're sitting here for
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a long time in here. I'm in smack dab in the middle of sooner country down here in Oklahoma.
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And so all my friends that are OU fans are just jol jacking back and forth like, oh, I really
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hope something goes down. You know, they're just looking at it from a exes and those wins and losses
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standpoint. They don't want to see Ohio State duo, which, you know, it is what it is. But this all
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leads up to last week, whenever they had this press conference, where they were going to announce
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their findings. And it kind of turned into an apology press conference. But the whole thing was a,
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you know, what show it was ridiculous. Like it was 30 minutes. It was about, you know,
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and it was just the statements that were read by urban Meyer were very cold.
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And obviously very calculated that they really weren't making any mention of the situation at all.
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And even the athletic director, everything seemed really, really strange. Like it just,
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the whole thing felt strange. I remember people live tweeting it while it was going on. And they're
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just like, man, this is so ridiculous. And then, you know, they announced that urban Meyer was going
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to be suspended for the or take an administrative leave. Sorry, they made sure to not say suspended.
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But administrative leave for the first three weeks of the season. So that would just basically,
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the only tough team they were going to see in the first three weeks anyway, it was TCU.
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But you know, the first three weeks of the season, he can't coach, he's not going to coach on the
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sideline or a practice or anything like that. And I think he had to give up six weeks worth of pay,
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which is literally a drop in the bucket for a guy like that that makes the kind of money that he
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does. But the thing I found very, very interesting is about 31 minutes into the press conference.
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I think the press conference was like 33 minutes long total or something like that.
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There was a journalist named Gregomonti that asked what ended up being in a lot of people's
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mind the defining question of the entire press conference. And it was this, what message do you
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have for Courtney Smith? He asked us directly to urban Meyer, what message do you have for Courtney
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Smith? And so this is urban Meyer's moment. Okay, you've read your, you know, your statement that was
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developed for you by a PR team and approved by the, the lawyers of the athletic department
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and everybody at Ohio State just go out there and read this. Don't add to it. Don't take
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anything away. Just read this, take a few questions, be vague and you'll be fine. But this was his
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moment. This was his moment to, to own up a little bit to, to knowing that that something was going
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on and that he could have done more, but that he didn't. This is how he responds to the question.
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I have a message for everyone involved in this. I'm sorry. We're in this situation.
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I'm just sorry. We're in this situation. I'm going to read that again just in case you
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didn't all get it. I have a message for everyone involved in this. I'm sorry. We're in this situation.
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I'm just sorry. We're in this situation. And then just stood there. There's blank stare on his face.
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And like, here's a crazy thing. There's everybody obviously keyed in on that because he could have
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really stood up for Courtney Smith. Even though he didn't do it for years and years and years,
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he could have at least done it publicly would have been better than nothing. But it was only after
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overwhelming outrage that he wasn't planning to address Courtney Smith and, you know, really his
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tone deaf message to her did Urban Meyer apologize to Courtney directly. But he did it on Twitter
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two days later. So I mean, it was just, it was all PR nonsense. And here's the thing that the fans
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are they're not at fault in this situation. But they got, you know, caught up in this. They they
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caught up in a hook line and sinker for these guys. The fans gathered for public rallies to support
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Urban Meyer. And there was overwhelming support for Urban Meyer on social media from Buckeye Nation.
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And there were plenty excuses to go around like, how could he have known? Is it his job to know all
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the details of all of his coaches? Is his job to do this or do that? And my response is pretty easy
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to that. Well, yeah, kind of like he can't know everything there is to know about these coaches,
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but it was pretty clear that he did know that one of his coaches was beating his wife.
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Like, what are you talking about fans? But here's the thing is kind of what we learned
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out of this whole thing with Urban Meyer. One of the things that I feel like we all learned
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again is that domestic violence still isn't that big a deal to most people. I mean, it's just not.
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I mean, if this guy can beat his pregnant wife and not be fired, like, what would he have been
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fired for? Like, just think about that. Like, child abuse? I mean, look at last week's episode,
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would Urban Meyer have been, you know, just a younger version of Joe Paterno? Would he have
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protected this guy if he was molesting children, raping children? Would he have done that? Like,
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I mean, we don't know. But I mean, domestic violence just isn't that big a deal, apparently.
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Well, he didn't kill the baby that was in the womb, right? Oh, he didn't beat her up where she
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had to go to the hospital as if any of that stuff matters, like, in order to make it worse or better,
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you know what I mean? And another thing I feel like we learned is, you know, basically, if all
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those fails, guys, just misremember, you know, just have issues with your memory. This seems to be a
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growing excuse that a lot of so-called men are using when they get into trouble or get into issues
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is, oh, man, I just, I don't quite remember that. I don't really recall, you know, I wish I knew,
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but I just, dad come in as I, when I'm sitting here thinking about it, I just, I just can't really
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recall. It's just that over and over and over. But, but here's the main overarching issue of the
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Urban Meyer situation. And this is as clear as day. Winning is everything. It is everything.
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And I'm not saying anything that a billion people haven't already said before me, but, but guys,
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Ohio State was 12 and two in 2017. What if they had gone six and six and lost their bowl game?
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What would Urban Meyer have been, you know, let go completely? Probably. Let's say Urban
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Meyer had a couple of bad seasons in a row, just not Ohio State, the Ohio State type seasons, right?
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But no, he was 12 and two, you know, he was in the, you know, the Big Ten Championship game. I
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think they went to the Cotton Bowl. They smoked USC like this was, this was a good season for that
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team. And they got another good team here, like coming into the season. I mean, what if Urban
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Meyer wasn't a three time national champ? Like, what if the 2018 team didn't look very good?
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Like, like, what if the 2018 team like had to play, you know, two top ranked opponents within
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their first three games, you know, maybe an out of conference with Pona and maybe somebody else,
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you know, what if they had two really, really tough games? Like, think about the differences
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in all these different situations in some of these situations, it would be like, yeah, he'd
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definitely be gone. But in other situations, it's like, oh, we're going to do all we can to keep him
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here. But that's, that's just kind of what we saw in this situation is that Ohio State,
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the Ohio State Athletic Department, the football program, Urban Meyer, there were so many people
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found at fault here. And I have to put the blame on Urban Meyer here because it was pretty apparent
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from the evidence that we saw that he did know. Like, he clearly knew about the one in 2009,
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which should have been enough to tell him about who this coach Smith was. But then he just kept
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the guy around, you know, this, this woman apparently reached out to other wives of other coaches.
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And it just apparently didn't make any difference. The guy knew about it. And he said,
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he said nothing. You know, maybe he gave the guy a pep talk at some point said, hey, you know,
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maybe don't leave bruises or something like that. But I mean, he could have done something and he
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didn't. He was just very, very cowardly about the whole thing. And you know, it's unfortunate,
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because here's thing, guys, I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't care if Ohio State wins
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every game or loses every game this year. It's not going to affect my life in any way whatsoever.
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I love watching college football, but I don't live and die with any team within college football.
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Okay. But the thing about it is, is at some point, somebody's got to take ownership of this.
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And it's clearly not urban Meyer and not the Ohio State. But as we kind of bring these two
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guys together, I want to look at a little bit of a comparison. And this is going to be a fairly
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haggard comparison between John McCain and urban Meyer. But I just want to look at the things that
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I feel like we learned about these two guys as, you know, they were both in the news this week.
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And the first thing, it seemed that McCain always tried to do the right thing and that Meyer
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always tried to build the right team. So for McCain doing the right thing, you know, he was
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going to do the thing that he felt was right. This was a man that as far as we can tell was it was
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a Christian man and he tried to operate that way. And you know, what he might consider to be right
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may not be the actual right in every situation. But it seemed like this was the type of guy that
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would labor through a decision to try and do the right thing. And he wasn't without his controversies
21:41
throughout his career guys. So don't tweet me that one time when he said this or that one time when
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he approved that law or whatever, I don't really care. But he really did try to do the right team
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that the right thing. But Meyer is a guy that's just trying to build the right team. Obviously,
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this coach Smith was it was a talented coach and recruiter. I mean, to be with a guy like Urban Meyer
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for over a decade, it would have been really implausible to assume that that he could get by
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and do those different things if if he wasn't a good coach. Like if he didn't have an effective
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skill when it came to recruiting. And so here Urban Meyer is he's just trying to build the right
22:15
team guys. He's trying to get the right guys on the team that that can recruit for him and can
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take care of the positions and make sure that the team is prepared. Like regardless of what the
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right thing is, because I'm just sitting here saying that in 2009, if Urban Meyer found out that
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this had happened with one of his coaches and fired him, are you telling me that Urban Meyer
22:34
couldn't have found a really good replacement for this guy? Do we really think this coach Smith was
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some sort of gift to football coaching? I mean football coaches to a certain degree or a dime
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a dozen, but even when you get into the upper echelons, it's those coaches that can demand
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the best assistance. Like Nick Saban and Urban Meyer, Bob Stuth when he was still coaching and
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these types of guys, like they could get whoever they wanted. It's just by virtue of their long
23:01
success. Guys wanted to be around. I mean, look Bill Snyder, look at his coaching tree that's come
23:05
from him. He could have gotten other people. But again, he only cared about the right team.
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And another thing that I wanted to look at here is that McCain fought for decency and Meyer fought
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for W's. And I guess we'll still be fighting for W's. So one thing that we've seen a lot of people
23:20
come up with, especially people that are on the more the left leaning media, they always brought up
23:25
this interaction with John McCain and this old lady at a rally that he was doing whenever he was
23:30
campaigning against Barack Obama in 2008 so that he could become president. And so this woman,
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it's basically this kind of open for him. He's just kind of walking around this stadium or there's
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town hall or something like that. And people are just kind of passing the mic around and asking him
23:45
questions or telling him things or whatever. And this old lady got up and you could just tell
23:49
she was pretty ignorant about the different things and she had read some really stupid things. But
23:53
she was just like, look, I don't trust this Barack Obama guy. He's an Arab. And then John McCain
23:59
immediately starts shaking his head and he snatches the mic out of this old woman's hand. And this
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is exactly what he says. He says, he's a decent man, family man, citizen, that I just happened to
24:10
have disagreements with on fundamental issues. And that's what this campaign is all about.
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I mean, John McCain could have fed the flame, right? He could have just doused gasoline on this
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thing and been like, yeah, you know, there are some issues with this guy and he has some tendencies
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that, you know, would lend me to believe that he had some, some viewpoints that would be anti-American
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blah, blah, and all these different things. But he didn't do that. In his estimation, Barack
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Obama was a decent guy, was a good family man, was a good citizen. And this is back in 2008. This
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is before we knew the things that came out about this man during his presidency. But he fought
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for decency because it was the decent and right thing to do at that point. And I can't imagine
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somebody on the right or the left, you know, crushing him for that. But this guy, Ervin Meyer,
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he just wants to get the W's. Because the more you win, the more yourself grandeur grows,
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the more money you make, you're going to be able to demand more money if you leave. You know,
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in terms of the open market for coaching, you're going to be able to demand more money because
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he's in one of the basically top five jobs in the country. He can certainly demand more money
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if he's there. But not if he goes six and six and loses a bowl game. Like he's not going to be able
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to do that seven and five and win in a bowl game. That's not going to get you a huge raise. That's
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going to get you bounced down the road. And this is a guy that's won everywhere. He's been Utah,
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one games, Florida, one games put together some of the best teams we've ever seen in the history
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of college football, go to Ohio State and pretty much does the same thing. I mean, he's just looking
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for W's. He wants to win the big 10 and make sure he never loses to Michigan. That's all this
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guy's there for. And that's what he's fighting for. And you see this come out when you see a guy
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just blatantly lighted people at press conferences and different things like that. It's just like,
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dude, I mean, you're not fooling anybody. You're here for the W's.
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And the last thing I want to talk about here is McCain was a maverick and Meyer was a coward.
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I mean, that's pretty easy guys. I mean, John McCain, as we talked about a little bit earlier,
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he was going to go his own way, even if it bucked party lines and, you know, talking points and
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those types of things. And that's what he was going to do. He was going to try and do the right
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thing. And if he had to be the one guy sitting out there by himself, he would do it. I remember
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hearing about him. This was early in the Republican primaries for president in 2008. McCain was
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done. Like he was dead in the water. Like there was just no chance that he was going to win the
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nomination. And I remember hearing a story about him being in an airport. And you know,
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it's pretty much he just needs to announce that he's going to be stopping his campaign. And that
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would have that would have been it. And he just had the resolve at that moment. He was just like,
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no, that that's not who I am. I'm not going to quit. I'm going to see this through. And then,
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you know, a few months later, here he is, you know, across stage from Barack Obama doing debates.
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I mean, it was pretty incredible. This guy was a maverick and he wasn't going to be denied.
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But a guy like Urban Meyer, for all the things that he's done well, he is clearly, clearly a
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fantastic coach. He's a great program runner. He's all the things you would want in a football
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coach, right? But the dude's a coward. He could not bring himself to fire his assistant in 2009
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after he beat his pregnant wife. There's a cowardly act because he he thought you would think at this
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moment that, Oh man, if I get rid of this guy, you know, he's got several recruits that are going
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to come here next year. And you know, if I get rid of him, I might lose those recruits to LSU or
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Auburn, something like that. I just, man, I can't afford to do that. And you know, you know, he does
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a really good job as an assistant. And you know, he's always got his players ready to go on Saturdays
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and you know, all these different things. Like that had to be the calculus that Urban Meyer had
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that moment. Like he didn't have that black and white binary in his head where it was just like,
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uh, flowchart. Does he beat his wife? Yes, he's fired, right? That would have been the best thing
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to do at that moment. But, but Urban Meyer has basically defined his career by this because I
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can tell you this. Let's say Ohio State wins their first three games. You know, again, the only tough
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game they have is against TCU. Let's say they win their first three games. They lose maybe one big
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10 game that win the big team championship. They get into the playoff and Ohio State wins the
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championship. Like what's going to be the narrative? Like it's not going to be Urban Meyer wins his
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fourth national title. It's going to be this. And if it's not, it certainly should be. Like this
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should be the defining moment for Urban Meyer that he did not stand up for a woman that it could
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apparently not defend herself. That even when she got the law involved, they couldn't help defend
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her either. This, this animal, this crazy person, well, not crazy person. He's just an evil dude.
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He's not crazy. He's just a normal dude. I think he can get away with beating his wife.
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I don't want to put him in a different category in your brains. Urban Meyer could have done something
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about that. Urban Meyer may have been the only person that could have done something about that
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outside of Coach Smith himself, right? But this is where we're at. So I thought it was very
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interesting. I was thinking about splitting the this episode into two because I really wanted to
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give John McCain is due and I really wanted to just kind of rip Urban Meyer, but but more that I
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thought about. I was like, man, both these guys are in the news at the same time. Like, let's talk
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about them and let's see how we can compare and contrast them. So hopefully that was good for you
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guys. All right. Before I let you guys out of here, we're going to do a quick resilience boost.
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As you know, by now, we are a men's ministry and our mission is cultivating manly resilience.
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And so there's a 13 day you version reading plan. It's called James faith slash works. And so I
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