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I'm your host Kyle Thompson.
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Let's get into it.
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Alright guys, today we're going to be talking about Alfie Evans, and we're going to talk
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about what ended up happening to him, which is essentially a murder.
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So Alfie Evans was born on May 9th of 2016, and around six months into his life, his parents
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realized that there was something that just wasn't going right with Alfie.
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There was something that was clearly medically wrong with him.
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So he was admitted to Alder Hay Children's Hospital and Liverpool, where he lived, and
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he was admitted there to basically go under some, some tests and some evaluations.
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And they spent a very, very long time, you know, weeks and months basically testing Alfie
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to see what was going on.
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It became very, very clear that Alfie had a neurodegenerative disorder of some kind, okay?
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They really couldn't put their finger on exactly what it was, but they knew that he
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wasn't operating at the clip of what someone that was, you know, between six months old
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and one year old should be operating at.
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But again, they couldn't define exactly what the issue was.
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And then in September of 2017, Italian doctors at Gaysuit Bambino Hospital, which is associated
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with the Vatican, which is in Rome, made an assessment that would require the transfer
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of Alfie to Rome so that they could undergo some experimental kinds of treatment to try
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and figure out what was going on with Alfie, but also to subsequently save his life.
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Now this was a completely different set of doctors.
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So this is a completely different set of experiences and focuses.
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And the thing is, is the team of doctors at Alder Hay Children's Hospital in Liverpool,
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they were an acute care team, right?
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And so this acute care team had a very specific focus, but these groups of doctors have actually
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been known for getting things wrong when predicting when someone's going to die.
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And they somewhat have that happen regularly, right?
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It kind of shows the limitations of medical science in terms of predicting whether someone's
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going to live or die.
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There's actually people that are just walking around today that according to medicine, they
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should just be dead, right?
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So basically what happened is it was determined that in order for Alfie to travel from Liverpool
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to Rome, that it may be dangerous for him.
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No one can say that it would definitively be dangerous that it might be dangerous.
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So the people at Alder Hay Children's Hospital in Liverpool decided against it.
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So Alfie remained at Alder Hay Children's Hospital for all of 2017.
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And there was really no market improvements on his condition.
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And then what ended up happening is that single team of doctors overseeing him, they really
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hadn't been able to conclusively diagnose anything.
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So they spent all this time with them and they just, they were completely flummoxed.
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They had no idea, right?
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But even though the team of doctors could not figure out what was wrong with Alfie and
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they could not in turn provide any plan of attack for his treatment, the Alder Hay Children's
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Hospital decided in December of 2017 that it was time for Alfie to die.
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That essentially, you know, Alfie had run its course, his course, right?
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So they applied to remove his life support in December of 2017.
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And then all hell broke loose, okay?
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So December 19th of 2017, Alder Hay Children's Hospital, they applied not only to remove the
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life support from Alfie, but they also applied to remove the parental rights of choice from
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Alfie's parents, right?
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I mean, let, let that sink in for a second.
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They basically were applying to make sure that Alfie's parents had no choice as to whether
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or not they could continue the fight for Alfie's life or not.
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So this was taken to the family division of the High Court of London and Alder Hay Children's
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Hospital claimed that it would be, you know, unkind or inhumane to continue treatment
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of Alfie.
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The doctors basically said there's no hope for Alfie that essentially as soon as they take
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him off of life support, he was going to die immediately.
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That's what this team of doctors thought, right?
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And so that if they tried to continue this treatment for this child, that it would not
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be in the best interest of this child, right?
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So in their estimation, he was as good as dead, right?
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Alfie had no value, right?
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At that point, he's just a vegetable.
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There's nothing that can be done.
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There's no miracle.
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His kids pretty much already dead.
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So the High Court actually ruled in favor of Alder Hay Children's Hospital on February
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20th of 2018.
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And the government of the UK essentially at this point decided what was in the best interest
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of Alfie.
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The government basically said, move over parents.
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We got this.
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We're going to go ahead and make the decision that's in the best interest of your child.
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So Alfie's parents who at this point had essentially been stripped of their rights to protect their
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child.
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They appealed this, their appeal was pretty much immediately denied on March 6th of 2018.
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They appealed again and again, they were denied their appeal on April 20th of 2018.
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And after that appeal was struck down, the judge actually called this the final chapter
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for Alfie.
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I mean, that's pretty ominous thing for a judge to say, right?
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Calling this the final chapter as if he's some sort of moral arbiter in this situation.
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But all the while this is going on, you know, the parents are kind of trying to figure something
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out to try to get something ready to go.
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Alfie's, Alfie himself and Alfie's parents were gaining support from people all around
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the globe.
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So when it became clear that Alfie was essentially being held hostage by the older Hey children's
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hospital, protests broke out outside the hospital, right?
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They were, they were having major issues with people getting into and out of the hospital
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because of these protests that were breaking out.
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So there was a group that this group of people that actually took the name of Alfie's army.
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So and that hashtag began to kind of make the rounds of social media, all these people
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that were becoming a part of the Alfie's army, trying to help Alfie and help his family and
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try to figure out a situation that would allow Alfie to live and maybe receive treatment elsewhere.
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On April 18th of 2018, Alfie's father actually even flew to Vatican City to have a face-to-face
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sit down with Pope Francis and he was basically employing the pope to save his boy to help
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him save his boy.
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And I mean, to at least get him transferred to Italy for that experimental treatment that
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they've been wanting to do for so long.
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And this may have worked because what we saw is on April 23rd of 2018, Alfie was actually
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granted Italian citizenship again.
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He's a citizen in the United Kingdom.
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He was granted Italian citizenship because of the request of Georgia Maloney, who is the
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leader of the brothers of Italy parties, one of the political parties in Italy.
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And even Angelino Alfano, who's the current Italian minister of foreign affairs, he stated
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publicly that he wanted Alfie to be transferred to Rome to that Jesu Bambino hospital immediately.
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And so, and this wasn't just all, you know, lip service, right?
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The pope actually sent an air ambulance to Alder Hay Children's Hospital so that the
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boy could be transferred immediately.
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So this wasn't just, you know, political posturing, like, oh, we're going to say all these things
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and we're going to support him on Twitter, but then we're not actually going to do anything.
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No, they actually went out and they went after it immediately.
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They sent a helicopter.
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You know, this was going to be on the dime of the doll on the doll of the Italian government
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or the Vatican.
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Like, no one was going to have to pay for anything in the United Kingdom.
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Alfie's parents were going to have to pay for anything, but they were just going to try
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to get this kid the help that he needed to see if they could, you know, throw some sort
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of Hail Mary, no pun intended to save his life, right?
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But Alder Hay Children's Hospital refused to let Alfie go, right?
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They refused to let him go.
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So his parents couldn't just walk in and take him out and say, hey, we're taking him with
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us.
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They even stationed what amounted to a pretty small army of police officers just outside
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of Alfie's hospital room and on that wing of a hospital so that the boy could not be forcibly
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removed by the parents or anyone else, okay?
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The hospital in the United Kingdom's government had sentenced Alfie to die and they were going
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to make sure that it happened in country.
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There's really not another way to look at it, okay?
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And another crazy report that came out was that father Don Gabriel Brusco, who was the
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priest that was kind of looking over Alfie at his bedside while all this is going on and
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while he's kind of fighting for life.
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He was removed from the hospital room and not allowed to return, which seems kind of
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crazy.
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You know, this is a religious man who's basically doing this and he's wanting to take care of
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the family and pray over the boy.
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But according to these reports, he kept reminding the staff at the hospital that they would
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be facing God's judgment for what they were doing to Alfie.
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I mean, that's pretty gangster.
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I like that.
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I like that a lot.
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But apparently the hospital and the administrators, they didn't really like that very much.
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They didn't want to be reminded of what they were doing to a little kid.
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That's not even two years old.
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That was clinging to life.
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They didn't really want to be reminded of that.
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It was too awkward.
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But I mean, even with the pleas from Alfie's parents, even with the public outcry, even
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with, you know, an Italian air ambulance, right?
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Sitting on the tarmac at the hospital, ready to go, ready to airlift this kid to Rome and
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against the wishes of Alfie's parents, Alfie was taken off of life support on April 23rd
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of 2018, and as we've already established, was expected to die immediately.
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But then something unthinkable happened.
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He didn't not.
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Alfie kept breathing.
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But now with all the life support taken away, he was breathing completely on his own.
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Now, because of this really tremendous revelation, Alfie's father requested to have his son put
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back on oxygen, right?
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Okay, he's obviously breathing on his own.
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Like let's just get him put back on oxygen while we continue to figure this out in the
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court system.
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Let's just kind of figure out how this can go.
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The hospital said no.
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On that same day, a judge again ruled against his family being able to take Alfie to Rome
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again with the helicopter sitting on the tarmac, judge said, I see that he's breathing
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on his own, but we're not even going to do that.
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So in an attempt to keep Alfie breathing his father continuously provided his son mouth
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to mouth resuscitation.
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Think about that.
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In a hospital where those [inaudible] could have just hooked him back up to oxygen.
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Here his father is with his mom sitting there, giving his son mouth to mouth to try to keep
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him alive.
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Think about that.
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What type of a seared consciousness do you have to have to sit there and watch that happen?
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To watch a father have to do that.
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And you know, after after a considerable period of time with his kid living and breathing
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essentially on his own, when it became clear that the doctors were all wrong, that Alfie
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wasn't going to die immediately.
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The team at Alder Hay Children's Hospital reluctantly decided to give Alfie water, but
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they refused to give him food.
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They refused to give him food.
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So I guess since choking him to death wasn't going to work, they were just going to make
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sure that he starved to death.
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Just great.
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Just awesome.
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So Alfie kept fighting his parents devout Catholics.
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I mean, they surely kept praying and even at one point, you could kind of see a shift in
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the communication by the parents because especially the father, whenever they spoke publicly,
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they were fairly fairly militant about wanting to make sure that there's someone's taken
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care of and about the the travesty that was happening in the justice system and within
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the walls of the hospital.
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But within, you know, a few days after he had been pulled off life support, you could
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see that the statements became a lot more calm.
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But what ended up happening was is there was a doctor who is gone, gone nameless.
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He's going to remain nameless for legal reasons or whatever.
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But essentially, the doctor said that they didn't really like the attitude that Alfie's
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parents were operating with didn't really like that.
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Because at this point, you know, they're the parents are just trying to even get their
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boy home.
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Like if you're going to make sure that this kid dies in country, we don't want him dying
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in this hospital room.
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We want him to die at home with us.
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You know, something like that.
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It'll just like a very last ditch emotional effort and the hospital and its administrators
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and the doctors basically saying, well, you know, we'll can see.
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We'll consider that, but we're really concerned about your attitude right now and the things
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that you're saying and doing publicly.
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So you're going to have to clean that up for us to be able to consider that.
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How ridiculous, how evil is that?
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Just think about that.
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So you know, they kind of changed their tune a little bit, you know, talking about building
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a bridge so they can walk across it, basically just appeasing these morons that were basically
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holding their child hostage.
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Again, Italian hospital sitting waiting for Alfie's arrival, helicopter standing by English
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doctors standing there doing nothing.
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These English legal officials basically sitting there with their arms crossed.
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All this is going on and all the while, Alfie's clinging to life.
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But at 2 30 a.m., April 28th, 2018, Alfie lost his fight with a mysterious and undiagnosed
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foe.
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He died.
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All his parents looked on hopeless and powerless.
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He died after fighting for life with no support for almost five days when the medical experts
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didn't even give him five minutes.
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After his death, Alfie's father posted this.
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My gladiator laid down his shield and gained his wings, just heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking.
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But there's a few important things that we need to ponder right now, gentlemen.
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Number one, in a society where parental rights are no longer considered natural rights, we
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must ask the question, what's next?
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You may remember the Charlie guard situation that came up, a very similar situation, not
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very similar diagnosis, but a very similar situation to what's going on with Alfie Evans.
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In the United Kingdom, over the last several decades, we've seen an erosion of parental
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rights, basically where the state is stepping in the government, basically saying, we know
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what's best for your child.
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Let us take care of it, right?
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Which in some situations, to be fair to the government, there are parents that are making
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decisions that are not in the best interest of their children.
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The Charlie guard situation was not one of those situations.
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And surely the Alfie Evans situation is not one of those situations.
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Okay, we have to think about that.
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The erosion of natural rights.
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This is a natural right to basically let the parents make the decisions for what's best
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for their kid.
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We have to think about where all this is going to go.
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Is the state going to tell us that no, you can't homeschool your child?
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You must put them in the public school where they're going to be indoctrinated with this
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leftist, kind of neo-Marxist ideology.
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Is that going to be what they're going to do?
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You know, you have to think about where this goes.
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This isn't conspiracy theory, tin foil hat nonsense.
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What is next?
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The state is deciding what's best for you.
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Like, just think about that.
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And the second thing that way I think we should ponder is should the United States government
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go the way of kind of what some people on the political left want, these will quickly
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become American stories.
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There will be American children that are going to be caught up in this and American parents.
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We're already seeing some pockets around the country, especially in California.
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I'm not going to go into those things right now in this podcast where just the very fact
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that parents want to decide the type of education their kids can get is being challenged by
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the state as being child abuse because parents are not allowing their children to be educated
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the way that the state has decided would be best for them.
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This is not just an issue that's happening somewhere else, guys.
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This could very quickly be on our doorstep.
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Have you thought about it?
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Have you even thought about what that would look like?
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But probably the most important thing that we need to ponder here is the fight between
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dignity and sanctity, dignity and sanctity, okay?
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One thing you hear a lot, the quote you hear a lot, you know, it's kind of a common phrase
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with discussions about euthanasia is death with dignity.
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You hear a lot of people basically say, why can't we just allow people to die with dignity
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if they're going to die anyway?
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Why don't we let them die the way they would want to die, right?
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But when you talk about it in those terms, there's no regard for the sanctity of human
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life.
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And in turn, there's essentially no regard for the Amago Day, no regard for the image
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of God being on every single person that is alive right now.
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So when you're talking about euthanasia, when you're talking about physician assisted suicide,
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and especially when you're talking about abortion, I mean, we're decades and decades into just
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killing millions and millions of babies, we have no regard for these things.
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And so when someone talks about death with dignity, you must question them about what
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sanctity is because Alfie Evans had value, right?
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He was a person.
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He had value, you know, an elderly person that is dying a very painful death.
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What do they choose to die with dignity on their own and not let the government tell them
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what that means?
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What if they want to show their family that this isn't so bad?
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Like I'm going to die, but that's not the worst thing that could possibly happen.
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Watch me die with dignity, right?
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But it's because the sanctity of human life is so apparent in that person that it actually
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makes sense.
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But when people say death with dignity and they're talking about killing something that
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is alive, that is not their decision to do so.
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That's when we need to question that guys.
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So really, we need to think about that a lot.
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When you think about natural rights, when you think about what happens when those are
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taken away from parents, when you think about what is happening overseas and how quickly
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it could come here if our landscape changes politically.
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And in addition, think about dignity and think about sanctity because you have to have both.
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Now guys, I mean, I'm sure you can tell, but I'm like fuming angry.
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Just absolutely fuming at this point.
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And there's a lot of righteous anger here.
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I'm a type of guy, especially if you know me personally, I got to keep my anger in check,
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right?
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That's one of my crosses that I have to bear in my life is keeping my anger in check and
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not getting, you know, fired up about things that are stupid.
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This is not something that's stupid.
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This is righteous right now.
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And here's the thing guys is pretty soon, all of us, we're going to forget about Alfie.
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Everyone listening to this podcast, you'll forget about them.
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It'll be on to the next thing.
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The next thing that Trump decides to tweet or the next, you know, bad injury that your,
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you know, favorite team, your best player and your favorite team takes and like, you know,
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things are just going to come up.
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And, you know, the doctors that, you know, quote, unquote cared for Alfie, they're going
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to forget about them.
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They're going to move on.
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You know, the hospital administrators at elder, hey, children's hospital in Liverpool,
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they're going to forget about them.
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They're going to move on the lawyers that kind of fought to make sure that Alfie died.
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They're going to forget about this kid.
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The judges that basically decreed that yes, this murder should take place and it will take
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place in this country.
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They're going to forget about him, but his parents won't, his parents aren't going to
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forget about him.
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They're going to be the ones visiting Alfie's grave, praying, crying, trying to figure
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out what happened.
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This boy was murdered and dozens, if not hundreds of people were complicit in allowing this
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to happen.
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Now, I'm not some sort of weirdo that's going to say that, you know, magically, you know,
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the judge has a change of heart and says, yes, we will allow him to be released from
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this hospital and he can go to go to Rome and, you know, Alfie's transferred to Rome.
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The transfer and the helicopter goes perfectly.
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He ends up in the arms of the Italian doctors and he goes in there and they do this experimental
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treatment.
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And then all of a sudden they can get that brain activity going.
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And then he's alive.
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And then here we are 10 years later and we're talking about how Alfie is playing, you know,
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football, one of his favorite teams over there in the UK and he's going to games and he's
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having a good time and he's in school and, you know, he's struggling a little bit, but
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he's going to make it.
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I'm not saying that that was definitely going to happen.
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But to assume that that definitely would not happen is evil because there was a chance
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of that, guys, how many stories have we heard of kids that were definitely going to die?
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People that were definitely going to die.
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There was a 0% chance they were going to make it and that if they did make it, they'd be
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completely brain dead and worthless anyway.
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And yet they're here.
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Why not Alfie Evans?
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He wasn't even given the chance.
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One group of doctors basically decided that that was it.
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And you know why I think this went guys?
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Because our God is bigger than all this.
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He's bigger than science.
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He's bigger than medicine.
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He's bigger than all these atheists out there basically telling us what we're allowed to
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believe because of what they've discovered up to this point in the universe.
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He's bigger than all that.
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That's why I have faith that things could have turned out differently for Alfie.
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But at least he would have been able to get the dignified response from the government
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to allow him to do that, right?
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God is so powerful and he can work in this situation even now, even with all the evil
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that has occurred, even now, he can work in this.
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But it would have been nice to see him do a miracle.
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It would have been nice to see him basically use science and use all the things that he's
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invented.
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All the things that he's allowed to be a part of our world in order to save this child.
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But even if he didn't, he would still be sovereign and he would still be Lord and he
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would still be over everything.
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So guys, I really want you to step back and I really want you to think about this today.
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And it's normally at this point in the episodes or in the podcast where we do the quick resilience
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boost and then I do all the outro announcements and different things and remind you about
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everything.
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We're not doing any of that today.
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Okay?
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We're not doing any of it.
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We're going to end this podcast today with a moment of silence.
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And I want to, before any of you turn this off, because I know you say moment of silence
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or let's skip through it.
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You may be listening to this in your car, maybe while you're running or doing something
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like that.
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If you're listening to me at one and a half time speed or two time speed, I want you to
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bring me back down to one time speed, okay?
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Because I want you to feel every last second of this moment of silence and it's not going
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to be super long, but don't just skip to the next podcast.
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Don't just go to another episode on another channel.
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Don't just go to something else on YouTube.
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Don't just put the radio back on.
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Don't just go back to listening to music.
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I want you to sit in silence and think about what happened to this child, to this child
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of God.
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Okay?
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Think about this situation.
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Think about how you would have reacted.
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Think about how if this was your son, if you were supporting your wife, whose child who
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had just died, some of you out there right now, you may even have a story that's similar
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to this.
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Maybe you've experienced something like this.
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I haven't.
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I've been blessed.
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I have not been able to experience something like this.
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Okay?
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I want you to feel this.
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Alfie Evans, born May 9, 2016, died April 28, 2018.
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Rest in peace Alfie.
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