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The series Undaunted Life, a man's podcast. I'm your host Kyle Thompson. Let's get into it.
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All right, guys, ever since I was really little kid, I've always been interested in ancient
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Rome. So I don't know where the interest came from, but I think I remember being a little kid
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and there were like documentaries on television and just getting to hear about all these ancient
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Romans. It was just like a really cool environment. It seemed like it's like if you could go back in
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time, maybe you would want to go to that area. I think the very first R rated movie I ever saw
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was Gladiator. I think that came out when I was like just getting out of elementary school or maybe
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early in junior high or something like that. And so that was like a really cool movie. And so it
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took place in Rome. And it was this really awesome thing. And the thing about ancient Rome is there's
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always the normal characters that we always hear about, right? So you've got Julius Caesar,
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you've got Caesar Augustus, Cicero, Mark Antony, Plutarch, Trajan, Nero, Constantine, like there's
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just all kinds of different people that we hear about all the time. So there's been shows made
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about these people, there's been plays made about these people. And so we just know a whole lot about
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all these different people. But today I want to talk about the story of somebody that you may or
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may not have heard of. And that is Lucius Cincinnati. Okay. So if that name sounds familiar, and if
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you've been following this podcast, obviously, in the very last episode, episode seven, I did a
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review of the book, the book of man. And in there I mentioned in one of the sections, it was the man
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in the polis, I mentioned where they talked about Cincinnati. And so but the thing about it is,
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is if you talk to most individuals, especially people that just kind of casually follow history,
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this isn't a story that normally comes up. Okay. Again, we hear about all those people that I
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mentioned earlier and a lot more. But the story of Cincinnati's, I mean, that's just not something
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that people normally think of. And that's not really something that they're normally familiar
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with. And so I know that until I read the book of man, I didn't really hear of this story before,
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like I may have heard pieces of it, but I never heard the entire story. And then I did a little bit
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more research and dug down a little bit further. And the story of this guy's life was just incredible.
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And so one thing before I get into the story of Cincinnati's is there are some varying beliefs
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about the historicity of this story. Okay. There's a lot of people that kind of think that maybe
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some of this is a little bit legendary. Some of it has maybe been made up at different points. But
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just for our sake today, I want to describe basically the most accepted version of the story of his
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life of Cincinnati's and some of the different parts that we would all be familiar with and things
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that we could get something from. And so what I decided to do for today's podcast sake is just
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basically go off the writings of the Roman historian Titus Livius, who basically is being called Livy.
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Most places when you see his references, he's just being called Livy. So we're going to go right into
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the story of Cincinnati's and we're going to do it based off of a lot of that research. So here we go.
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Cincinnati's was born in 519 BC. And so he was born into a decently well off family. They weren't
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super aristocratic, but they were decently well off. And just to give everybody like an idea of
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the time period I'm talking about, because you can just throw out these dates and no one can really
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know exactly what you're talking about. He was born about 400 years before Julius Caesar. So really
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before the height of the Roman Empire and a lot of things that we're familiar with, this was about
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400 years prior to that. So let's hop back in. So he was a Roman patrician, which that word is
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basically means like in aristocrat or a nobleman or something like that. And he also served as
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console. And so some of you may have heard that term and maybe don't remember what that means.
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But a console was basically somebody that was appointed by your government to go and represent
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your country's interests in another country. So think of it like a modern day ambassador or
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something like that. It wasn't exactly the same, but it was a very highly regarded position. Okay.
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Now later in Cincinnati's life, again, he had had this great life in the polis and he had been
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serving and doing his civic duty, but he kind of fell on some hard times and he actually retired
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completely from public life. And so when he retired from public life, he just began farming
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on a small plot of land that he had near the Tiber River. So in when I say small, we're talking like
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three or four acres small. So this wasn't like some sort of expansive farming community. So
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so that really was where the story of Cincinnati's could have ended. But then we get to go to about
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458 BC. And then we see him pop back on to the pages of history. So at this point, the Roman
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Republic is pretty young, again, 458 BC, very, very young Republic. Okay. And so it wasn't this
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massive Leviathan that we think of when we think during, you know, Caesar Augustus's time or that
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type of a thing. And so they were still, there was still the potential of attacks from from smaller
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villages or smaller tribes. And so during this time and in this year, the equi, that was a small,
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but very, very dangerous tribe that was located just east of Rome. And so the equi in this year,
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they had violated a treaty that they had just signed just a year prior with Rome. And they were
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trying to retake an area that they wanted back, which was in Tusculum. Okay. And so the Roman army
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at this time was under the leadership of two separate consuls. Okay. And those were agarinus.
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I think it's how you say it. And Rutillus. Okay. So agarinus and Rutillus. And so in response
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to this invasion by the equi, they sent one army to defend Tusculum and one to attack equi territory
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and their allies. Okay. So they kind of took agarinus and Rutillus and took them, really sent them
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in separate directions to go take care of what was going on in the area. So agarinus's army,
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they were sent to attack near Mount Algatus. And that was in the Albin hills. And but the problem
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was is he didn't send his army into attack immediately. So the historical records that we have showed
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that they got to the area near Mount Algatus. And then they basically just sat there, like they
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didn't immediately attack. And so what this allowed the equi to do was to surround the position of
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agarinus's army and to overtake them, essentially, it was really a route. And the other consul Rutillus,
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he was unable to use his army to help agarinus's at the time. It just wasn't something that they
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could do because it was such a quick battle and such a short route. And so apparently from that
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battle that was near Mount Algatus, there were only five horsemen that were able to escape from
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the equi there. So everybody else was obliterated. And so these horsemen, as we're told, they wrote
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all the way back to Rome and they basically went in to tell the Roman Senate what had happened
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at Mount Algatus. And so basically the the Senate panicked. Again, this is not the Senate that we
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normally think of when we think of the Roman Senate. But but they just straight up panic because they
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needed an immediate solution because the equi could have just kept on marching all the way to Rome
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and could have sacked Rome. Okay, they needed leadership at this time and they needed somebody
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that could be trusted. And so during this time in Roman history, or in times of crisis or emergency,
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the Roman Senate could actually name a dictator. It was someone that they called the Magister
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Populae. And they could basically put this person in an environment where they could serve as
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dictator for six months. So this wasn't a super long term thing. But again, in times of extreme
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crisis or emergency, they could bring someone in to serve for a six month term. So the Senate,
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again, kind of in a state of panic and trying to figure out what to do, they needed to go to
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somebody that could really rely on. And so the Senate actually decided to name Cincinnati's the
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dictator of Rome and to have him lead the armies of Rome against her enemies, especially right now
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being the equi. But I mean, the big problem here is Cincinnati's was not a public figure anymore.
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Like no one really knew if he was up to the task and to be honest, at this point in history,
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Cincinnati's is almost 60 years old, which, you know, in modern day terms, it doesn't seem like
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it's that old, but especially back then, I mean, that you were not expected to live very long,
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and especially living into your 60s. And you know, 60 year old then compared to what a 60 year old
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now, it's not terribly comparable. So basically what Rome decided to do is they sent a delegation
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to Cincinnati's land that he was farming by the Tiber River. And as the story goes, he was apparently
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literally plowing his field when the delegation arrived. So he wasn't like sitting on the porch
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and whittling or anything like that. He was literally plowing his field whenever they arrived.
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So here I want to read a quote from the historian Livy about kind of what happened at this this
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very moment. So here we go. Here's the quote. After mutual salutations, he was requested to put on his
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toga that he might hear the mandate of the Senate, and they express the hope that it might turn out
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well for him and for the state. He asked then, in surprise, if all was well, and bait his wife,
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Ricilia, bring him his toga quickly from the cottage. Okay. So this may seem like a little bit
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of a strange quote here, but his wife did go and fetch him his robe and brought it to him. And
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at this point now he was officially able to hear what the delegation had to say. It was more of a
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Roman custom at the time. You know, he was obviously in clothes that would have been appropriate
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for plowing a field or for farming or working outside. But this was basically, you know,
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something that it was a business of the state, I guess, would be the best way to describe it.
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So it was business of the state. So we needed to get his toga. So basically the delegation from
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Rome told him about the immediate danger that Rome was facing and that the Senate had unanimously
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voted to make him dictator so that he could basically hop in there and help them fix the problem.
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So you would think that, you know, he'd jump all over that opportunity, right? I mean,
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for the just think about the modern day Senate coming to you and asking you to help
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solve such a such a huge problem that they unanimously voted for you to be the person to solve the
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problem. I mean, this was just an incredible opportunity, especially back in Roman times.
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But he didn't just immediately jump. Like he really didn't just immediately jump at this. He
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was hesitant. You know, he had thoughts of kind of, I think he even asked him, like, you know,
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why me? You know, why now? Like, why would why would I be the most valuable person at this point?
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And so the thing is, is even with apprehension and kind of some hesitation, he accepted the
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appointment because he knew that he could assist his country well. He knew that he was uniquely
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suited to assist the country at this time in their history. So he went with the delegation
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back to Rome. And immediately when he arrived, he pretty much shut down the entire city of Rome.
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He had all the shops and all the markets. He pretty much shut everything down.
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And from the moment he arrived, he ordered that every military aged male report to the field of
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Mars, that's kind of where they, you know, would come and gather. And there's a lot of
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importance to the Roman people about the field of Mars. And they all had to arrive there before
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the end of the day. And each had to show up with about five days worth of rations.
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So again, these were people that, you know, earlier that day they were a shopkeeper,
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or maybe they were just chilling at their house or something like that. But by the end of the day,
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they're on the field of Mars getting ready to go to battle. And so the army left out almost
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immediately from the field of Mars after they got everybody together and got everything situated.
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And they marched to Mount Algatus and they went in to relieve the failed armies of a
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agariness and rutillas. Okay. So the battle of Mount Algatus, which is, you know, what it's called.
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And so if you look back in history, that's an easy way to find it is just by searching battle
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of Mount Algatus. That's A L G I D U S. The battle ended almost immediately after it started.
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Cincinnati's forces just smoked the equi. And the thing is, is they could have absolutely
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obliterated the equi here, but they showed some mercy on them. And Cincinnati's kind of reached
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what they would turn probably a limited piece with the equi and those people. He kind of, you know,
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had them embarrass some of their generals and things like that and basically give up
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what they were trying to do in that land. And so here's, here's the amazing thing about this
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story is that only 15 days passed from the time that the Roman delegation came to Cincinnati's in
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his field to the time that the Cincinnati's led army crushed the equi. Like it was only 15 days.
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Like this was not a very long thing. They didn't have this large planning process. They got him,
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they brought him back to Rome, they got all the the military age men together, and then they
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sent him on and took care of business. Okay. But now here it is, you've crushed the equi. And now
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you're Cincinnati's and you've got to be asking yourself, what now? Like, what do I do now?
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Because he's still dictator for at least the next five and a half months, right? It's only been 15
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days since he's been dictator. He's he's going to be the dictator for at least five and a half
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more months. Like, how could he use his power? Like, you know, what things could he have helped
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to do to decide, you know, to point the young republic in a certain direction? I mean, do you go
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and conquer some more nations? I mean, you're feeling pretty good about yourself. Maybe go
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conquer some nations. You know, he could have chosen even to build up his family, potentially for
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like some further aristocratic or political purposes. And even just he could build up his
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personal grandeur. I mean, that was something that was so sought after because of the the Roman ethos
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of civic duty and success and military might and those types of things. He could have done
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any one of those things. And in reality, he ended up doing none of those things, none of them.
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So basically after the defeat of the equi, Cincinnati's disbanded the army almost immediately,
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he sent the military aged males back to their families and to their normal professions,
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and he resigned his position as dictator. And then he returned to his farm. Like, that's literally
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what this guy did. He resigns, and then he returned home. Like, he gained everything. Like, in a very
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short period of time, in about two weeks, he gained everything that you could want, especially for
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a Roman at that time, he had military success. He had the overall adoration of the public. He had
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the respect of the Roman Senate and the height of personal power. I mean, he became dictator.
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And he just gave it all away. That's it. Just an incredible, incredible story. And then if the
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story ends there, it's still an incredible story. But now we need to fast forward about another 20
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years to 439 BC. Okay. So at this point, Cincinnati's is 80 years old, 80 years old, like people
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at this time just did not live that long. So that by itself is pretty incredible. He had taken care
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of himself. He's 80 years old. And once again, at the age of 80, the Senate voted for Cincinnati's
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to become a dictator and to serve Rome in a time of crisis. And once again, Cincinnati's was a
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reluctant to do so, but he essentially agreed to do that. Okay. During this time, there was a famine
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in Rome. Okay. So the console that was put in charge of the Roman grain supply at this time
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apparently did a really [inaudible] poor job of doing that. And it became a huge, huge issue for most
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of the citizenry of Rome. Okay. And what this allowed is it allowed a little gap in the power
15:27
structure where this very wealthy plebeian, which you know, plebeian basically means a, you know,
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a commoner like a Roman commoner. And his name was spurious. Malius, it allowed him to try to kind
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of hop in and steal the affections of the Roman people. Okay. So Malius bought up a ton of the
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grain supply. And so he bought it up before and during the famine. And what he did is he sold the
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grain for below market value to a lot of the poor folks. And he even gave some away basically to
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try to influence them and to try to get them all to like him. I guess would be the best way to look
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at it. And he wanted to set himself up as king or emperor over Rome. Like that's what he wanted to
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do. So he's this very wealthy guy, very influential guy, and he's trying to heighten his influence.
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So the Senate decided to bring Cincinnati's in to kind of quell this whole thing. Okay.
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So Cincinnati's ordered his master of the horse, which is what they basically called their first
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lieutenant. It's like, you know, the second in command to go and do your dirty work type of thing.
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He ordered this guy to bring Malius to him. Now, whenever the master of the horse went to Malius,
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he refused to come with him. Okay. And so when he refused, Cincinnati's ordered Malius to be killed,
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and that order was carried out. Okay. So the crisis, the potential crisis of an individual
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trying to usurp the Republic was thwarted at this time. Like it did not go through. It could have
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very easily happened, but it did not happen. Now here's the other thing that happened. You know,
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Cincinnati's he's just he kind of gets in and he gets after it, right? From the time that he was
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summoned at his farm again, to the time of Malius's death, it was only 21 days. So it took Cincinnati's
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21 days to pretty much crush what could have been, you know, a rebellion of sorts that could have
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ended up crushing the Roman Republic before it ever became the Roman Empire that we know today.
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And so here we are again, Cincinnati's fresh off of another successful dictatorship, right?
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He he's picked up a bunch of great things and a lot of adoration. And now he's got his pick of
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essentially just a bunch of really, really good options, right? So what does he do? He can do
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essentially whatever he wants. He's he's got almost five more months of a dictatorship that he can
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serve in again, right? And he does pretty much what you'd expect at this point in the story.
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He resigned as dictator and went back to his farm. Just like he had done about 20 years earlier,
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he resigns as soon as he's done and goes right back to the farm. Okay. I mean, this is a crazy
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story because twice he is given supreme power and control. Like he didn't go and take it like they
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voted for him to be this guy. And twice he resigned the moment the job was done. Like he didn't just
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stick around for no reason. He stuck around not even a minute longer than he needed to. Okay.
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And because of this, he really became a legend to the Roman people because he really embodied like
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in word and indeed the ethos of civic duty and virtue and manhood and things like that that are
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all core tenants to Romans. I mean, even today and even as you look back on the Roman people,
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that is something that just carried for hundreds of hundreds of years that the Roman Empire wasn't
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power. So his legacy, even if you look to where we are now, all over Italy, there are streets and
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implazas and different areas throughout Italy that are named after him through kind of a long
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string, you know, Cincinnati, Ohio was named after this guy. And one cool thing is that George
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Washington, our first president has even been called the American Cincinnati. And of course,
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if you know the story of George Washington, well, you'll know that after the Revolutionary War ended,
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he refused to become any type of a monarch or king for America. Like he would not do that. Like
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as soon as the war was over, he relinquished control of the continental army. And he served
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as a president over a republic, right? Over an entire republic. And then after two terms as president,
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he voluntarily retired. And the cool thing about his story and where a lot of people see him as a
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kind of a conduit through to someone like Cincinnati is he returned home to his farm at Mount Vernon,
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as soon as he was done. Like as soon as his service was done, and he decided that he wanted to kind of
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I guess right off in the sunset, if you will, he went back to his farm and started tending to his
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land. Okay. So that is really the story of Cincinnati. And I think it's just such a fantastic story. And
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it's one that I wish was told more often. I mean, if you were to name the top 10 people from ancient
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Rome and their stories and how they've captured the attention and the imagination of modern day
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people, Cincinnati's probably isn't in the top 10. But I think he's such a good example
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for modern day men and modern day Christians, especially. And so as I was thinking through his
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story, I was thinking, you know, basically, what can modern Christian men learn from the story of
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Cincinnati's or really the life of Cincinnati's? And so basically two things really came to mind.
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And so I'm going to describe those two to you right now. The first thing is when asked step up,
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when asked step up, okay? So Cincinnati's was asked to serve. And he did. Now he wasn't forced to serve
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like he could have said no, it would have been kind of awkward at that time to do that. But he was
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asked to serve and he stepped up and did it right. And I just think of all these modern men and these
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modern examples where men are asked to serve, sometimes in small roles, sometimes in big roles.
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But essentially, instead of just serving, they just make excuses, right? I mean, they just avoid
20:59
responsibility. So this can be asking to serve while you're in school, serving in your modern day
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church. Really some for some people, it's even just serving in your family. And most guys just want
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to go away from responsibility as much as they can. You know, and even just look back on on Jesus'
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life in the New Testament, when he asked his apostles to follow him, right? You know, we talked
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about that on one of the earlier podcasts about, you know, he'd never asked him in to be in a
21:24
relationship with him. He said, follow me. And they did. I mean, there, there wasn't this myriad of
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excuses. You know, some of them didn't go like automatically just drop all their stuff and just go
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go right at that exact moment. But that's eventually what they did. And so, you know, when you're asked
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to do something as a modern day man, and it's something that you're capable of doing and that
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you're uniquely suited to do it, step up and do it. I mean, everyone now nowadays, especially in
21:51
this TEDx culture that we're, you know, TED talk culture that we all live in now, everyone just
21:55
wants to talk about, oh, you know, the power of no, and make sure that you can say no to the good
22:00
thing. So you can say yes to the great things. And there is wisdom in that. I'm not hating on that
22:03
entirely. But sometimes the world needs you guys. Like sometimes they just need you. And the world
22:09
may not be this grandiose thing that you're thinking. Maybe the world is just your modern day local
22:14
church, right? They need your help. They need your assistance. Maybe it's your neighbor. Maybe
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you've got an elderly person that lives in your neighborhood and you're the person that can help
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them. So when asked, step up, okay? And the second thing that comes to mind that I think is valuable
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for modern Christian men to learn from Cincinnati is when finished, step down. Okay, so the first
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thing is when asked, step up, second, when finished, step down. Okay, so if you're keeping score,
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math leads out there, Cincinnati served a grand total of 36 days as dictator. So, so over like a,
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you know, a 20 year period, he served for 15 days, and then he served for 21 days 36 days as a dictator.
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So as soon as the job was done, he was done, and he went on and he went back to what he needed to
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be doing. Okay. So for most guys, we get to this tendency where we want to chill, right? We get
23:09
to a certain level of mastery at our job or a mastery at our involvement within the church or a
23:15
nonprofit that we're working with. And then we just love getting comfortable. And then we just
23:21
sit there. There's not really much else for us to do. And maybe there's someone else that could
23:26
come in and do our job or our role better or push the organization into an even better place.
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But we just kind of sit there. And my advice to you all is don't linger for your own sake, right?
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Don't linger. That doesn't mean go out and quit your job today because, you know, you hit your
23:43
quota for this quarter or something like that. That's not at all what I'm saying. But you know
23:47
exactly what I'm talking about when guys just stay somewhere doing something in a role where
23:52
they basically have done the majority of what they're able to do, right? Just don't linger.
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Because here's the thing is when you're done, you can go back and tend your field, right?
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And because that's exactly what Cincinnati's did. That's exactly what George Washington did.
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They served to the extent to which they felt that they could serve and then they went back
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and tended to their own field. And for a lot of you guys, again, you know, I'm not talking to
24:15
a lot of farmers here on this podcast, your field is your family, right? And you are part of your
24:21
family. So you need to work on yourself. You need to work on your wife. You need to work on your
24:26
kids. That is your field. Okay. So when you're finished with something, when you've helped an
24:30
organization, when you've helped a ministry, when you've helped something in the church,
24:34
it's okay for you to step down and go back and tend your field. Okay, guys. So again, when asked,
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step up and when finished, step down. Okay. And guys, we're going to go ahead and move right into
24:44
the quick resilience boost here. As most of you know, by this point, we are a men's ministry
24:48
running and we run out of Oklahoma City and our mission is cultivating manly resilience. And so
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specifically, we do that by providing content that forges spiritual, mental and physical toughness.
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So today we're going to stick with the same thing we did last week, which is we're going to talk a
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little bit about mental resilience. And in order for us to have some mental resilience, I'm going
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to challenge you all over the next week or so to watch the movie gladiator. Okay. So I know most
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of you listening to this have have watched this movie before I mentioned it at the very beginning
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of the podcast. It is still my favorite movie of all time. However, I want you to watch it
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with a different lens. Okay. Because you've watched it before because, you know, it made you feel like
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a man, you've watched it before because it was inspiring. You've watched it with the lens of
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entertainment. I want you to watch this and I want you to look for parallels to the life and
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attitude of Cincinnati's in Maximus. Okay. Maximus is obviously the main character in that movie.
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But just think about the life of Maximus and the things that he did and how that movie ended. And I
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guess I don't want to spoil it for any of you out there who have not seen it, which what are you
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doing? If you haven't seen that movie up to this point, but yeah, go out and see it. But just look
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for the parallels between those two lives. I think it'll be a very interesting watch for you. So
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all right, guys, thanks again for listening in to this podcast. Please subscribe on iTunes,
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want to thank the band August Burns read for allowing us to use their music library for our
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content. The intro outro track on this podcast is their song King of sorrow, which is off their
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latest record entitled Phantom Anthem. The links to all of that are in the description. I'm your
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host Kyle Thompson. Remember, keep cultivating manly resilience, keep forging spiritual, mental,
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and physical toughness. Keep seeking the Lion of Judah.